I had the same thing earlier :|
Just cheesed father g by dropping off on the shed and hitting him a few times and repeating that. Then he got stuck and I could just molotov him, he didn't even transform. The poor man. Kinda feel bad about it
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So, all Bloodborne players who haven't played Souls before, how's it going?
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I had the same thing earlier :|
thescience
Member
tragic
Developer
I found that not to be true.
The first time I played DS, I went the wrong way (like most people) into the graveyard (this is before they gave souls on kills too). Spent a while there, realized my mistake, and then went down into New Londo Ruins. Finally figured out I should go up the stairs. Note: First time through the game I didn't take the Master Key so one option was blocked off. Besides finding your way back to the Asylum, there wasn't that much else, and one way was clearly "right" (first time through game, of course).
In BB (as a new player), right off the bat there are a few "right" ways you can go. You can go straight to the
Cleric Beast
Father G
Most importantly, however, is the access to boss shortcuts in BB. I've read numerous reviews where people complained about having to "fight their way back through 30+ minutes of enemies just to try the boss again" which is clearly an example of people not exploring. I can't think of a single boss in the entire game that you cannot get back to in 30 seconds or less (not counting loading... lol) as long as you take the time to find the shortcuts.
Anyway, moving on! Once you open
Cathedral Ward
Old Yharnam
BSB
Vicar Amelia
wrecked by the lightning bros - depending on level
Charnel Lane
the door to the Forgotten Woods
BSB
get kidnapped to Gaol
boss door
Emblem
the gate on the Cathedral stairs
In Dark Souls, the biggest WOW moment for me from exploring was finding Ash Lake. It was pretty awesome, and it made me realize it was an area I could completely miss had I not spent a lot of time at the base of Blighttown. It was hidden and out of the way, wasn't really linked to anywhere else, but man it was cool. Beyond that, it was mostly about realizing "OH, NICE, X connects to Y. That's awesome!" and not so much "WOW, I never would have seen this area had I not explored!". Like coming up into the back of the forrest instead of going through the front (money door!). That was pretty awesome. Like looking out of the crack in Tomb of the Giants to see the lava area. Also really cool.
In Bloodborne, I feel there are a few more "WOW" area discovery moments, like
Cainhurst
Iosefka's Clinic
Upper Cathedral
Workshop
Personally, I feel that people who say the game is "shorter" than DS are right because, as a first-time-player, you have to actually do more of the content to get to the end. In BB, you can actually miss a TON of content. I think that they are both pretty comparable content wise, though I'm sure someone could make a chart or something that proves one is distinctly larger than the other. Just a feeling, I guess!
To me, Dark Souls is a master class in environment design. The way almost everything loops back in on itself is incredible, and each time you unlock a shortcut or a passage, it's pretty great. In Bloodborne, that feeling of "woah, cool shortcut" was supplemented with "woah, brand new area!". There are still a few really slick shortcuts, but they are mostly just that - shortcuts (mostly to further areas within the level) - instead of these amazing loop-backs that DS had.
Throughout my first playthrough of BB, I honestly felt like I could go any of 3-4 ways during the majority of the game. In DS, I mostly knew which way I needed to go. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't linear by ANY means, but it was more obvious as to which was "right" and which wasn't, especially on your first playthrough. The more you understood the game, the more you could confidently veer off the "main" path, if that makes sense.
All that being said, I think exploration in both games is incredibly worthwhile. In DS, you get lots of great shortcuts and loopbacks to areas you've already been as well as a few new areas. In BB, you discover a bunch of completely optional content, some highly useful shortcuts within areas (and a handful of loopbacks), and of course, lots of fun loot and stuff!
Fluffhead14
Member
still too afraid to buy haha. just don't know how much i'm going to like it or how much time i have to invest.
I can't read too much because I've only killed 3 bosses thus far. D: I'm a slow player.
My biggest disappointment with the first area of BB (before FG) was that there were a ton of beautiful, fleshed out, huge areas with lots of secret nooks that had almost nothing in them! Enemies dropped nothing but cheap, common consumables. In DaS, there were frequently hidden weapons and enemies would drop armor sets. I miss those exciting, permanent rewards. The Chalice Dungeon I did suffered from a similar problem.
The good news is that it seems to be better so far in the areas after FG. There's fewer loot-less dead ends and more armor/weapons. I'm hoping the game continues to improve in this regard; it may be my only real complaint thus far!
tragic
Developer
Yeah, just keep exploring! =)
antisoulless
Banned
No, I wouldn't even know how to begin to explain how to find where to go, apart from showing a picture of all the locations I've been to so far in hopes you'd be able to tell me where to go next. But I kind of discover things little by little just running around.
Ok so now.i am level 16 and am officially info the groove of this game. I understand how i am supposed to play. It has clicked and boy is it good.
I have just defeated the Cleric Beast and have been wandering around and cant work out where to go. Is it doen the sewers? I have killed everything above ground but down the sewers where there are those legless creatures the is a path i have yet to go down next to a ladder. Is this where i go?
I have just defeated the Cleric Beast and have been wandering around and cant work out where to go. Is it doen the sewers? I have killed everything above ground but down the sewers where there are those legless creatures the is a path i have yet to go down next to a ladder. Is this where i go?
DarkChronic
Member
Made some real good progress tonight! Defeated
and got my rune workshop. My +5 Holy Blade is wrecking everything in it's path - I love this thing!
I'm at level 40 now, so I think it's time to take on
Fingers crossed!
the Witch of Hemlock
I'm at level 40 now, so I think it's time to take on
Vicar Amelia.
DarkChronic
Member
Haha I looked it up too. Pretty cool.
Can that area be "cleared" when you first encounter it? Or is it best to warp out and come back at a later time?
What a super creepy place.
JustinBbad
Member
I've never played a souls game before and this has me hooked. I've beaten four bosses and am currently exploring the Forbidden Woods. I'm a bit lost at the moment and fearful to lose my ~30000 blood echoes I'm carrying...which is part of the fun.
I also worry about over leveling myself, but I can't say I'm terribly skilled. I had to summon co-op for vicar amelia.
Looking forward to the rest of the game. I have Dark Souls installed on the PC, but never played it. After this, it may be time to give it a go.
I also worry about over leveling myself, but I can't say I'm terribly skilled. I had to summon co-op for vicar amelia.
Looking forward to the rest of the game. I have Dark Souls installed on the PC, but never played it. After this, it may be time to give it a go.
I wouldn't worry about that. Unless you are grossly over-leveled, which requires a lot of grinding, if you can't figure an enemy out, having a lot of health or stamina isn't going to make much of a difference. You'll probably still die.
Deified Data
Banned
Depends on your level. The enemies are pretty tough but not impossible so long as you don't draw a lot of them.
In the beginning I was so scared of playing it because it would be too hard and all that, but honestly getting over that fear has helped me immensely. Learning the enemies and your own controls was an awesome experience, plus because of my pussy tactics, I farmed for so much that now I just 1 hit stuff. Either way, love this game.
harriet the spy
Member
Finally... did... it... Killed Gascoigne. Visceral attack after visceral attack after visceral attack. Nothing else.
The world seems much much bigger now. I get lost. I got to
. Got to that
who killed me. I am now fighting
.Those are fun, if only for the insane size/reach they have. Can you finish the game (without too much additional pain) with your starting weapon? I have upgraded it a bunch now. Would feel bad getting rid of it.
The world seems much much bigger now. I get lost. I got to
old yarnham
gatling dude
gigantic versions of those easy to cheese masked giants
I'm really enjoying the game so far. I noticed after beating the
and returning to Old Yharnarm that the enemies you face along the way are similar to the boss, which is great game design to prepare the player for the future encounter. Of course, the art style and level design are excellent. The fact that everything makes sense architecturally and there's such a grand scale that is actually explorable (I'm looking at you, Destiny) is superb. It's great that once you get past the first boss, the next areas and order of bosses is totally up to the player. Also, the relative speed which they introduce new weapons, areas, and bosses keeps the game interesting, makes me want to keep playing, and make me think of the game when I'm away from home.
I also love that after many hours of patience, paying attention, and commitment, you gain a sense of confidence (especially upon the rare event of beating a boss the first time trying) that is distinctly contrasted with the game kicking your ass should you even think about becoming minutely lax in your playstyle.
blood-starved beast
I also love that after many hours of patience, paying attention, and commitment, you gain a sense of confidence (especially upon the rare event of beating a boss the first time trying) that is distinctly contrasted with the game kicking your ass should you even think about becoming minutely lax in your playstyle.
Schweinehund
Member
Fought two bosses, both in secret areas
Currently SL 60 something
Amygdala wasn't too bad, was mostly about dodging back and avoiding the laser, and going all out on his head when he's done throwing his tantrum.
Cainhurst is my favorite zone so far, really like the setting. Got to the boss and got my ass kicked though I had him at 20% or so. Been playing for a few hours so I farmed up some vials and I'll try to get him tomorrow. Really fun fight, first time I've struggled with a fight since Father Gas. Paarl actually wasn't so bad. I'd say Father was the hardest, followed by Logarius, then BSB for me so far. A lot of the difficulty depends on what level and upgrades you have when you fight them I suppose.
Thinking about doing an Arcane build after I finish this play through. Some of the toys look like they could be fun.
Amygdala wasn't too bad, was mostly about dodging back and avoiding the laser, and going all out on his head when he's done throwing his tantrum.
Cainhurst is my favorite zone so far, really like the setting. Got to the boss and got my ass kicked though I had him at 20% or so. Been playing for a few hours so I farmed up some vials and I'll try to get him tomorrow. Really fun fight, first time I've struggled with a fight since Father Gas. Paarl actually wasn't so bad. I'd say Father was the hardest, followed by Logarius, then BSB for me so far. A lot of the difficulty depends on what level and upgrades you have when you fight them I suppose.
Thinking about doing an Arcane build after I finish this play through. Some of the toys look like they could be fun.
CoffeeKillquest
Member
Loving Bloodborne as my first From game beaten it 3 times and only need 2 more trophies for the platinum. Really glad they added the chalice dungeons it give the game a lot of replayabilty. I feel like I need to go back and play Demon Souls and at least Dark Souls 1 now. Glad I bought this it made me find a new series of games to enjoy.
Darryl M R
Member
I beat the game, I don't see how much replay value there will be for me. Not interested in PVP since it seems broken, but I played through it so I can discuss lore. The dungeons and grind to find variants of weapons and over powered gems doesn't seem fun to me.
Might go to Best Buy and trade it in to put money towards The Witcher 3. I would just be sad that I would not be able to play DLC with it but by the time DLC comes out I might be able to buy it for much cheaper (and I will have started my full time job by then so I will have more cash on hand--6 weeks until graduation woo).
I would love to hear from others on if I'm not giving this game enough time. I got half way through NG+ and I just don't feel the need to continue, the atmosphere, tension and fear was only there for my first run through. Now I know what to expect and that is not a flaw on the game at all but a result of playing the same storyline multiple times (though some people have told me that previous From games NG+ had new mechanics).
Might go to Best Buy and trade it in to put money towards The Witcher 3. I would just be sad that I would not be able to play DLC with it but by the time DLC comes out I might be able to buy it for much cheaper (and I will have started my full time job by then so I will have more cash on hand--6 weeks until graduation woo).
I would love to hear from others on if I'm not giving this game enough time. I got half way through NG+ and I just don't feel the need to continue, the atmosphere, tension and fear was only there for my first run through. Now I know what to expect and that is not a flaw on the game at all but a result of playing the same storyline multiple times (though some people have told me that previous From games NG+ had new mechanics).
Rollo Tomasi
Member
Just hit level 31 and still stuck on BSB. I am able to get his lifebar down to barely anything but I die from poison or the camera everytime. Really want to keep playing but I'm getting tired of farming for antidotes. Yes, I know BSB is an optional boss but I don't want to proceed without taking him out. Summoned Alfred but he dies everytime and I only have 5 insight left now. Before I blow all my insight, if anyone is willing to help me take this bastard out I would really appreciate it.
psn: kreepmode
psn: kreepmode
0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55
Banned
So I literally sliced the shit out of the Witch, I depleated her health to zero in short order,
shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttt.
and right when I'm about to celebrate my "first attempt, boss kill", she suddenly has half heath back and summons her minions who swarm me till I'm dead
recklesscognition
Member
Very happy you all got me hyped for this game. Never tried the Souls games and I'm loving Bloodborne. It was a little rough until I started leveling up and getting my timing down but now it's so much fun.
KillaKalz347
Banned
All I know, is that I fucking hate Snatchers. Sons of bitches will be slow and lumber toward you, then front kick your ass taking a good amount of health away.
Badlucktroll
Member
Anyone care to show me in phonetic spelling, how to pronounce "Gascoigne"?
I say Gas-Coin.. but I'm probably wrong.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
Slow, spent about a week just getting the hand of the game, though, I haven't been able to play much.
Rerolled my character, doing much better so far, just took down FB. need to rekill CB as well.
Rerolled my character, doing much better so far, just took down FB. need to rekill CB as well.
BioBooster
Neo Member
Experienced Souls player here, this is one of my favorite threads on GAF rt now - have been reading for days. Finding BB to be exquisite.
Here's a question for new-comers: Is anyone a fighting games player?
I ask this because fighting games are the least blamed for cheap mechanics or design when it comes to performing poorly at them. Everyone knows that you need to learn the mechanics/rules, gain the required muscle memory and play with great awareness to the situation in order to exact your strategies or find openings and effectively land your combos. Everyone knows this.
Now, almost everything said above applies to both BB and other Souls titles. That said, this correlation is not apparent to most because it's obfuscated by the genre (action RPG where the majority of titles are dissimilar in this respect). There's a fair amount of expectation for the game to be designed in such a way that things just work out for the player without any investment into the game by many casuals and journalists who've expressed complaints.
Fighting game players who are new to BB:
Are you finding that you don't have nearly the same number or type of gripes about the game? And does BB tickle some of your FG sensibilities?
Once you get into PvP, I guarantee that it will hit you on the head. Just happens to be a 3rd person view and there are a bunch of RPG chr adjustables thrown in, but at that point you may as well consider it a unique type of fighter.
There are a lot of comparisons to be drawn; you are taught some basic mechanics in fighters (or even in the case of fighters with robust tutorials...), but to get to the real meat of it, you experiment/practice and perform research in order to succeed.
I think there is a beautiful comparison to be made between souls & fighters here.
Blaming the controller for a failure? lol, that might be the only common complaint you can get a good laugh out of for both of these platforms
Here's a question for new-comers: Is anyone a fighting games player?
I ask this because fighting games are the least blamed for cheap mechanics or design when it comes to performing poorly at them. Everyone knows that you need to learn the mechanics/rules, gain the required muscle memory and play with great awareness to the situation in order to exact your strategies or find openings and effectively land your combos. Everyone knows this.
Now, almost everything said above applies to both BB and other Souls titles. That said, this correlation is not apparent to most because it's obfuscated by the genre (action RPG where the majority of titles are dissimilar in this respect). There's a fair amount of expectation for the game to be designed in such a way that things just work out for the player without any investment into the game by many casuals and journalists who've expressed complaints.
Fighting game players who are new to BB:
Are you finding that you don't have nearly the same number or type of gripes about the game? And does BB tickle some of your FG sensibilities?
Once you get into PvP, I guarantee that it will hit you on the head. Just happens to be a 3rd person view and there are a bunch of RPG chr adjustables thrown in, but at that point you may as well consider it a unique type of fighter.
There are a lot of comparisons to be drawn; you are taught some basic mechanics in fighters (or even in the case of fighters with robust tutorials...), but to get to the real meat of it, you experiment/practice and perform research in order to succeed.
I think there is a beautiful comparison to be made between souls & fighters here.
Blaming the controller for a failure? lol, that might be the only common complaint you can get a good laugh out of for both of these platforms
when you've got the poison bar up, just lock on and play ring-around-the-rosy with the beast around one of the many columns. it'll give you time to decrease the poison bar and heal if necessary.
only use an antidote if you really need to, otherwise just heal if poisoned since you (should) have 20 blood vials and only 10 antidotes.
I died so many times to BSB and was so frustrated. then I watched a bunch of youtube videos if people beating him (which does help as others have said in this thread, it's proof that his death is possible) and went and killed him using only one molotov, one antidote, and one blood vial.
Picked this up on Sunday and have only had time to play it about 3 times for 1-1.5 hours each session. First session I failed miserably against the regular enemies, particularly the big group around the bonfire. Second session I got past that and explored a lot of the area and opened up some shortcuts but died twice against the CB. I just killed it tonight in my third session, feels good!
And I bought the new weapon available but don't have the strength to use it. Bah!
And I bought the new weapon available but don't have the strength to use it. Bah!
Badlucktroll
Member
So i keep hearing about Cainhurst Castle. How far along in the game do i have to be to get here, and what are the prerequisites?
PeskyToaster
Member
BSB is the first major roadblock I've faced. At least his place is a short jaunt from the shortcut
Have to have beaten the Witch and unlocked the shortcut back to Yharnam from the forest if I'm not mistaken. I think level 70+ is a good idea because the boss is hard.
This was me a few days ago. I was honestly 8 hours in on first mob. Oncr it clicks it clicks though. Im levelling up super fast and things that would kill me in 2 seconds are now fun to kill.
Read through thread and practice lots if great tips im here and some of which i think i would still be on first mob had i Not have had.
Have you explored the rest of Central Yarnham already? There's some armor in one of the sewers which can help a lot. Otherwise, trial and error. Don't get carried away with your attacks, which was my biggest problem.
There's not a class system as a lot of other rpgs have, you just have stats, and certain weapons scale better with certain stats. You also have different character origins which affect your starting stat roll. The best one to start with is probably the default one, since it's a pretty even skill point spread, so you can go to any build pretty easily.
Badlucktroll
Member
alot of people have trouble with Gascoigne? I beat him on the second try. The first try was to learn his attack patterns. Just don't get stuck in his 4 strike attack trying to stagger him
FF Seraphim
Member
I say "Gascoine"
I'm fairly sure it's "Gas-Own"
Edit: Speaking of which. Posted this in the main BBorne thread but I made a new character after beating the game (catching up to my buddy who just started). Here's me one-shotting Gasciogne in under 2 minutes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9qdez4bYzI
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
I am the personification of happiness.
First go today with fresh eyes/reflexes... FG goes down using only one oil+molly to the beast form (even forgot to use the dang music box, which was my plan lol).
Molotov to Beast makes the fight WAY easier eh: so stoked!!
Glad I didn't have to resort to cheese
First go today with fresh eyes/reflexes... FG goes down using only one oil+molly to the beast form (even forgot to use the dang music box, which was my plan lol).
Molotov to Beast makes the fight WAY easier eh: so stoked!!
Glad I didn't have to resort to cheese
I've reached the point where I seriously can't make any progress no matter where I go or what I do, so I rage-quit the game yesterday.
Considering using the exploit to give myself an extra level or 10, because I've had about enough.
In the Japanese version it's Gas-coin (ガスコイン so that's good enough as far as I'm concerned.
Considering using the exploit to give myself an extra level or 10, because I've had about enough.
In the Japanese version it's Gas-coin (ガスコイン
so that's good enough as far as I'm concerned.