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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Were you around for the Nintendo DS as "third pillar"? That messaging is probably just a hedge.
partime
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Can't really visualize that, but Metroid is something I'd want.
Ah, the third pillar.
Wii U is done after Breath of The Wild, and that's only still coming so that people who bought the system for Zelda are less pissed.
This is a console derivative, otherwise there would be no TV output
I'm sure we'll see a large number of Wii U and possibly 3DS ports right off the bat -- Smash 4, Splatoon, Mario Maker, Pokemon Sun/Moon, LoZ BotW, Fire Emblem Fates, SM3D World (and that's just Nintendo's own games!) -- supplemented with ports of indie games/Android apps. Exclusive content may take a while to come through the pipeline, but there should be plenty of new experiences for anyone who doesn't already own a 3DS + a Wii U + an Android/iOS device.
We don't know if the dock is sold separately though. There could easily be a stationary version sold for cheaper that just plays the cartridges on your tv.
Hello? This is Hailun!
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You know what? That would make sense too.
Controllers in hand would work well with that setup. If they have plans for that, I'd bet they'll put it into the advertising right away.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Thats fine, I forgot about that.
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Father_Brain
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Since certain people are having trouble finding the corroborating reports:
Kotaku:
http://kotaku.com/report-nintendo-nx-is-a-portable-console-1784314749
IGN:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/07...d-console-with-tv-dock-less-powerful-than-ps4
MCV:
https://twitter.com/BenParfitt/status/757957637266812930
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/nintendo-nx-the-pros-and-cons-of-a-transforming-portable/0170297
WSJ:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/nintendo-swings-to-loss-1469604309
If you think this is just Eurogamer, you're either not paying attention or in denial.
Kotaku:
http://kotaku.com/report-nintendo-nx-is-a-portable-console-1784314749
IGN:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/07...d-console-with-tv-dock-less-powerful-than-ps4
MCV:
https://twitter.com/BenParfitt/status/757957637266812930
Ben Parfitt said:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/nintendo-nx-the-pros-and-cons-of-a-transforming-portable/0170297
WSJ:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/nintendo-swings-to-loss-1469604309
If you think this is just Eurogamer, you're either not paying attention or in denial.
The resolution would have to be very high for that. That's why mobile phones use 4K displays now. They make no sense in regular use but they're needed for VR. Unless you want to be one with the pixels.
...yes? If a Vita 2 was ARM and a decent spec bump, yes I would class it as a roided-up Vita. I mean, this rumor says its basically a Vita 2 with clip on controls and a docking station for hdmi out. Unless im missing something...
Wii was a roided-up Gamecube, WiiU was a roided-up Wii. It happens.
Colour me interested in what these rumours say the NX will be like - this could be very cool if Nintendo actually pulls it off, and I don't care that it won't be comparable to the PS4/XB1 in terms of power because I already have a PS4, so I don't need another console to fill the same kind of space. I was thinking earlier about how the console could work, specifically with regards to the detachable controllers. The Eurogamer report says that the console is bookended by two separate controller halves, but I don't really see how that could be achieved while keeping it ergonomic and portable. I'm assuming each half can't be used independently of the other, since the report doesn't specify that and it seems like doing so would be extremely limiting.
So, I decided to join the mockup bandwagon - what if the NX had a form factor similar to the PSP Go, in that it's comprised of two halves, one being the display and the other being the controller? Incredibly quick and dirty mockup:
The controller would slide behind the screen when not in use so as to make it more portable, and sliding it out would reveal a button to release the controller from the screen. When you want to reconnect the two you'd just slot it back in. Personally I prefer that over the idea of a wider console with two controller halves either end, since in that scenario I don't think you'd be able to make the controllers big or wide without compromising either portability or the size of the screen, which means that when joined together they probably wouldn't be very ergonomic. Also, while there's still a risk of losing the controller, you'd at least only have to keep one whole controller safe rather than two halves.
Just not really sold on the idea of having two separate controllers attached to the console despite all the reports saying exactly that
So, I decided to join the mockup bandwagon - what if the NX had a form factor similar to the PSP Go, in that it's comprised of two halves, one being the display and the other being the controller? Incredibly quick and dirty mockup:
The controller would slide behind the screen when not in use so as to make it more portable, and sliding it out would reveal a button to release the controller from the screen. When you want to reconnect the two you'd just slot it back in. Personally I prefer that over the idea of a wider console with two controller halves either end, since in that scenario I don't think you'd be able to make the controllers big or wide without compromising either portability or the size of the screen, which means that when joined together they probably wouldn't be very ergonomic. Also, while there's still a risk of losing the controller, you'd at least only have to keep one whole controller safe rather than two halves.
Just not really sold on the idea of having two separate controllers attached to the console despite all the reports saying exactly that
DrROBschiz
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IGN - Legit
Kotaku - 50/50
MCV - Legit but MCV... I dont know much about the publication
WSJ - Legit i suppose
Not saying the info is bad or uncorroborated entirely. Just saying its lacking in variety of details being added to the conversation
Makes me think that the early dev kits are all anyone has seen outside of whatever the best Eurogamer sources were
Hello? This is Hailun!
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Right.
I don't think EuroGamer would put themselves on the spot if they weren't confident in this information.
Neoleo2143
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Likely in the ball park of I-pad Size. So You can stuff it in a bag or something. But you won't be able to put it into your pocket.
Fair enough. It's just usually when someone says a "roided up x" they mean "a marginal improvement over x" but I get what you mean about sharing architecture.
It's obvious they're not focusing on the WiiU anymore.
My Nintendo NX mockup (using a previous model as base and poor editing skills - sorry =X):
3 modes:
1) Classic gaming (like PS Vita)
2) 3DS/DS Virtual Console emulator (to acomodate 2 screens)
3) Mobile gaming
I guess this is why the controllers are detachable.
EDIT:
Looking now, there is a problem with the speakers. But the speakers could be on the controllers pieces - so it will be like a Wiimote that can receive sound ;-)
3 modes:
1) Classic gaming (like PS Vita)
2) 3DS/DS Virtual Console emulator (to acomodate 2 screens)
3) Mobile gaming
I guess this is why the controllers are detachable.
EDIT:
Looking now, there is a problem with the speakers. But the speakers could be on the controllers pieces - so it will be like a Wiimote that can receive sound ;-)
Tatsumi Oga
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If it turns out to be the X2, with what systems can we compare it then? Will that be nearing Xbox One or even PS4?
DrROBschiz
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My Nintendo NX mockup (using a previous model as base - sorry =X):
3 modes:
1) Classic gaming (like PS Vita)
2) 3DS/DS Virtual Console emulator (to acomodate 2 screens)
3) Mobile gaming
I guess this is why the controllers are detachable.
Going to suck not having a Nintendo D-PAD
Neoleo2143
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It would presumably near the Xbox One. The Choice between X1 and X2 is where the device falls into between Wii U and Xbox One. There's also a couple other reasons like Power consumption and the like.
Oh I think there will be a d-pad, I've used this mockup as base to show the controllers position vs screen position.
Hello? This is Hailun!
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My Nintendo NX mockup (using a previous model as base and poor editing skills - sorry =X):
3 modes:
1) Classic gaming (like PS Vita)
2) 3DS/DS Virtual Console emulator (to acomodate 2 screens)
3) Mobile gaming
I guess this is why the controllers are detachable.
EDIT:
Looking now, there is a problem with the speakers. But the speakers could be on the controllers pieces - so it will be like a Wiimote that can receive sound ;-)
Looks good. I would be on board with this.
DrROBschiz
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2 player local going to be about who gets the Dpad controller and who gets the stick lol
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I realized that some of you are having problems visualizing the concept so I made this mock-up explaining all of the possible uses for the NX concept based on the original drawing from Eurogamer.
In this first picture, you can see the NX in its most basic form a simple device that can play simple games like Professor Layton or even Mario Kart with its motion sensors and touch screen.
If you turn it in portrait mode the NX plays mobile games (ported or created for mobile like Nintendo upcoming mobile games.) like a champ.
Once things get more complex let's say, Zelda, you slide in the control modules.
(I think that sliding it instead of attaching it will help with durability) as you can see in this picture each of the controller pieces being connected have their own simple gyros as well and could be used as a Wii-Mote.
In this form, you can play games as you would with a 3DS (but with a full set of buttons) when not using the main unit you slide the controllers in a simple shell in order to have a standard controller.
Now you can use the main unit in its base connected to a TV or use the main unit as a monitor.
And using the stand you can enjoy video apps.
Finally, when connected to its doc outputting to the TV the screen could show some basic info (like the gamepad) or be turned off (like the gamepad) in order to charge faster .
I hope this helps to illustrate the NX concept.
this is what I'm visualizing as well
and I wouldn't be surprised if, in the end, the most popular use of the device is in its touch only, phone-esque form for mobile game experiences
that's assuming it hits big with the more casual audience, of course. I think there's also a pretty good chance people look at the thing and go "nah, I have a phone for mobile games, I'm good" and just pass on it entirely. I think the biggest market this device could hit with is the ipod touch market, in other words, kids who want a mobile device to play mobile games but are too young to own a phone (or their parents don't give them a hand me down)
Yeah, slap a D-Pad on that mockup and it's pretty fucking great. Would be a really smart way for it to handle 3DS ports.
Dude, the gap between 3DS -> Vita is way wider than the gap between Gamecube -> Wii
. Same with Wii -> Wii Unvidia hasn't released any meaningful information on the X2 (assuming it's not just Parker, which is totally unsuitable for hand-held devices or even laptops). So, honestly no idea.
That said, it's not likely that we'll see XBO or PS4 level graphics from a ~10W or even ~20W part.
How would that even make sense? What would the Wii U offer in that scenario? How would it even connect? Why would Nintendo so limit the market?
Hello? This is Hailun!
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And let this be a 500$ console?
Without knowing how the device functions we can't say really. Even if it is using an X2, if the device is built purely to run as a handheld, therefore not running at peak performance to conserve battery and limit heat, and doesnt have some sort of console power profile that unlocks when the system is docked, then it would certainly not be approaching the power of an Xbox One.
SinCityAssassin
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We can consider bad ideas all we want, but we wouldn't voice them.
Maybe the Tegra chip is a placeholder for smartphones/tablets. And in reality this is just a fancy controller/dock/cart slot for mobile products that will sell for $100.
The UI for the carts will be a free app. When the cart is inserted a link pops up showing the app to download. You download it and the app reads data from the cart.
Nintendo bypasses the app store.
The UI for the carts will be a free app. When the cart is inserted a link pops up showing the app to download. You download it and the app reads data from the cart.
Nintendo bypasses the app store.
GhostTrick
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The 50gflops figure is at 400mhz. But we know the GPU clockspeed in Vita is far lower than this. In the 200mhz range.
As for 500gflops NX, that is at fullspeed clock, there's no way it's 1ghz in handheld mode. Expect more like 500mhz or even lower. Basically, 150 to 250gflops.
Nah. I'm sure Nintendo wants every user to have the same experience, I'm certain they'll sell their own HW. Besides, using tegra as placeholder for a smartphone would be odd since the vast majority doesn't use the chip
Yeah I'm certain that whatever the dock does, it'll at the very least assist with cooling and power, making the chip able to run at full speed, which will make a difference
The only phones that offer even close to Tegra X1 (or even Wii U) performance are modern iPhones and this year's crop of top-end Android devices. There's no way this kind of scheme can work with Apple's locked-down devices. There's no way that Nintendo would be able to deal with the diversity of the Android market or make a successful console that interfaces with just a couple models of Android phones.
But, wouldn't that(if not more) be achievable if they are using the X2?
martino
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so far if i understand dominant opinion well:
sony releasing handled with power between last gen and current gen ---> no doubt, impressive
nintendo releasing handled with power rumored between last gen up to really near current gen --> impossible or can do better
what is for sure is that label on products have huge effects on perception when based on wind
(but i understand disappointment for those like me hoping fo a home console)
sony releasing handled with power between last gen and current gen ---> no doubt, impressive
nintendo releasing handled with power rumored between last gen up to really near current gen --> impossible or can do better
what is for sure is that label on products have huge effects on perception when based on wind
(but i understand disappointment for those like me hoping fo a home console)
GhostTrick
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People are throwing X2 as a magic word but we dont know the specs yet.
Funny thing is if the leak is true and X1 happens, it would be the same upgrade from Vita you'd expect from Sony. People expected 3DS successor to be barely a Vita+, it seems to go for Vita 2+ level.
The gap between Vita and X1, even underclocked, is a good generation leap. Underclocked to 500mhz, it would be on PS3 level, but slightly faster and at 540p, it would shine even more. Vita on the other hand was trying to mimic PS3 graphics but was vastly below that... And not even native res in demanding games.
Not only that, the gap between 3DS and X1 underclocked is gigantic. It'll be like two generations apart. Especially at 540p.
And Wii U ? Underclocked to 500mhz, it would be faster than Wii U, but aiming at a lower res. Basically, a faster Wii U which targets a smaller res.
Stone Ocean
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Jesus christ no
Nintendo needs to bury that console and its branding once and for all.
I thought I've read somewhere that it was supposed to be ~twice the performance of X1 but I can't find a source
One thing that the locked FFVII NX thread got me thinking about...
A while ago there was an "announcement" of Dragon Quest XI NX but shortly after the PR swooped in and said that it was being considered. I see a bunch of possibilities happening:
-A lower level port is announced. Assuming the NX is @ Tegra X1 levels of performance then I could see it being worth Square's time to make a NX + PS3 port of the game. The PS3 still has enough weight to get some prolific ports for Japanese games, and putting it on the NX would appeal to portable-centric Japan. Of course, by the time the game is ready the PS3 may very well not be worth their time regardless of region.
-The NX
get a port of the 3DS version.
-NX da king gets both versions of the game.
-Square Enix says "nah" to the NX.
A while ago there was an "announcement" of Dragon Quest XI NX but shortly after the PR swooped in and said that it was being considered. I see a bunch of possibilities happening:
-A lower level port is announced. Assuming the NX is @ Tegra X1 levels of performance then I could see it being worth Square's time to make a NX + PS3 port of the game. The PS3 still has enough weight to get some prolific ports for Japanese games, and putting it on the NX would appeal to portable-centric Japan. Of course, by the time the game is ready the PS3 may very well not be worth their time regardless of region.
-The NX
and Vita
-NX da king gets both versions of the game.
-Square Enix says "nah" to the NX.
brainchild
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Sure we don't know what the exact specs are, but we can ballpark it. Just like we knew the ps4 would be significantly more powerful than the ps3 (before any specs leaked) based on precedent and inductive reasoning, we can surmise a signific jump between the X1 and X2 based on the same logic.
Tegra X2 will be an entirely new generation in the Tegra line based on Pascal architecture, and the X1 was already half the FLOP count of the Xbox One. It wouldn't be far-fetched to assume that the X2 would be in the same ballpark as Xbox One in terms of FLOPS based on the info we have on X2 so far.
Honestly, even if they are using the X2, Xbox One level performance in a handheld sounds like a pipe dream, unless you want like 2 hours of battery life or a $400 price tag. We can always talk about the magic dock, but that's simple speculation. And again, would probably mean an expensive price tag if included, or fragmentation if sold separately, both of which Nintendo seems keen on avoiding.
Nintendo is, very obviously, abandoning the tradition console business model. They're betting on their own IPs, indies, and mobile developers with NX. And honestly, as someone who already owns a PS4 and a decent PC, I'm fine with it. I'm more excited about all of Nintendo focusing development on one platform, and being able to play games like BotW on the go.
Nintendo is, very obviously, abandoning the tradition console business model. They're betting on their own IPs, indies, and mobile developers with NX. And honestly, as someone who already owns a PS4 and a decent PC, I'm fine with it. I'm more excited about all of Nintendo focusing development on one platform, and being able to play games like BotW on the go.
Okami Haundo
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I would be incredibly happy with an NX that has even the same power of the Wii-U in handheld form. BotW on the go would destroy my social life, but I'm ok with that.
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