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An objective look at the games shown, PS5 and XBox Series X game showcases
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Tulipanzo
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It's literally a list of the games presented and the kind of trailer they had.
If you think that shows bias that says more about you than the content.
anothertech
Member
Xbox fans, stop counting 3rd party games and last gen stuff as valid list wars options. You just making your case look worse. 'sea of thieves optimised...' lol
Op list is right on the money. You guys have shitshow for next gen. Halo is lost cause. There is no need to be upset.
But dam those memes are entertaining.
Op list is right on the money. You guys have shitshow for next gen. Halo is lost cause. There is no need to be upset.
But dam those memes are entertaining.
Tulipanzo
Member
That's why it's marked as in-game trailer in OP. However, DF confirmed typical artifacts of real-time rendering, plus HZD and ShadowFall both looked like they did at their reveal.Some of you guys are really going to be disappointed if you think this is what Horizon 2 gameplay will look like;
Still, I didn't imply either company is faking the quality of their games, and I'd appreciate if you did the same
Really I think that those kinds of list are fairly pointless, neither company is going to have substantially fewer games than the other.
I tried to highlight instead how the games were presented, which is more useful when everyone is discussing how they felt about each show.
TBiddy
Member
My point was that it's - at best - an in-engine trailer.
Tulipanzo
Member
Look at my disclaimer.
An in-engine trailer I considered stuff that did not feature what are likely in-game scenarios.
NBA 2K21 featured just one player's close-ups, and was also labelled as "in-engine" by 2K on YT.
Forza MotorSport ran at 30fps, while the final release will be at 60, and it was also labelled in-engine by Spencer himself.
By comparison, Horizon featured multiple NPCs, large vistas, and robots that you are likely to see in the final game.
Could everything still be faked? Sorry, but until you bring something more substantial than "it looks very beautiful", your concerns have no basis, and just look like jealous rambling.
EDIT: To add, my list still holds even if Forbidden West is "faked". If in one year's time the game looks far worse, you can point to my list to show that the game had been shown deceitfully, and the trailer wasn't representative.
Similarly, both past Infinite trailers I would have marked as "in-game trailers", but they look miles better than the final product, which obviously people didn't appreciate.
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anothertech
Member
The real point here is how upset YOU will be when Horizon looks just like that trailer, and Halo looks just like the shit they showed.
There is no need to be upset.
shubik
Member
Some of you guys are really going to be disappointed if you think this is what Horizon 2 gameplay will look like;
Decima engine is a powerhouse. Both Horizon and Death stranding looked almost identical from first showing to the final product. What makes you think that Decima will not be able to make a big jump with the PS5 and pull this off?
TBiddy
Member
The Horizon-trailer was superbly crafted and mixed between what looked like gameplay (the scene where she's riding through a landscape) and what looked like either in-engine or pre-rendered (the scene from where the screenshot is taken). The trailer was deliberately made as such, and I absolutely understand why Sony did it - look at the reactions the trailer got. I don't doubt that it'll look better than Halo, but it's not going to look like that.
Dismiss it as "jealous rambling" if you want. That doesn't make your argument look better.
Why would I be upset? Unlike you, I don't hate the 'other side'.
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Tulipanzo
Member
The trailer is available for free on YT. If you feel particular shots are rendered differently and are not to be trusted, you are free to show them to everyone. What about the underwater shot isn't believable? It's the same level of detail present throughout.
Until then, "looks too good to be real" is the best praise you could give it.
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TBiddy
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I literally posted an example earlier.
Tulipanzo
Member
"It's just too good to be real" again? You're going to bring up unrepresentative hermit crabs next?
TBiddy
Member
The crabs aren't going to look like that in real-time gameplay either. I believe this is gameplay footage:
And while stunning, it's far from the same level as the underwater shot or the crabs.
GenericUser
Member
Damn, Horizon looks so fucking good. If they would only learn to implement good gameplay as well.
Tulipanzo
Member
It really isn't, given the far increased level of detail in the distance, as well as much more complex weather simulation.The crabs aren't going to look like that in real-time gameplay either. I believe this is gameplay footage:
And while stunning, it's far from the same level as the underwater shot or the crabs.
Once again, "this game looks unbelievable!". Are you just doing stealth PS5 marketing?
DeltaPolarBear
Member
We are not so sure about that. Halo Infinite somehow couldn't run its demo on a Series X in the showcase, for reasons entirely unknown to us. Your assumption that the game would be playable on Series X at launch is actually not assured.
TBiddy
Member
Seems like I was confusing you with someone mature. Enjoy your day. Hope you won't be too disappointed when reality hits you.
Tulipanzo
Member
No please, post more amazing Horizon screenshots while complaining it looks too good, it was bringing some much needed comedy
TBiddy
Member
Thank you for proving my point.
Tulipanzo
Member
Do you take requests? Can you do Ratchet next?
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GHG
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Tulipanzo
Just leave people to believe whatever they want to believe. If they want to delude themselves into thinking the conferences were equivalent then let them. If they want to believe everything at Sony's conference was CG then let them.
It's almost like they've learnt nothing from the last 3-4 years, nevermind the last week.
Don't waste your energy man, the summary in the OP is damning enough.
Woffls
Member
This stood out to me at the time as well - it means absolutely nothing, unfortunately. I assume that a scripted scene, even if it is in-engine real-time rendering, can be much higher quality than something which would actually be in a finished product.
We've seen this so many times, and yet people take it all at face value.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
The difference here is that Sony thus far had not lied. While MS DID lie about Halo Infinite being built for Series X.
Your distrust of Sony is unfounded, and should be redirected at their competitor who had only recently being caught with lies.
Tulipanzo
Member
Just having a bit of a laugh.
Just leave people to believe whatever they want to believe. If they want to delude themselves into thinking the conferences were equivalent then let them. If they want to believe everything at Sony's conference was CG then let them.
It's almost like they've learnt nothing from the last 3-4 years, nevermind the last week.
Don't waste your energy man, the summary in the OP is damning enough.
What is kind of disappointing is I didn't really get criticized on methodology or decisions I took on the chart, but rather by conspiracies about everything being "faked" based on nothing.
Or people just wanting a long list of everything even tangentially related to XBox. Like, you can just google that?
That is objectively incorrect, just by looking at the charts.
While the number of titles were close, MS had fewer "gameplay" marks both relatively and absolutely, while Sony had no titles showcased with "CGI" or "absolutely nothing".
What you personally liked at this show is unimportant, the presentations themselves, down to hardware choices, were clearly very different.
Grinchy
Banned
Speaking of lies, one of the reasons I'm so annoyed with how Microsoft has handled the Xbox division is the years of bullshitting that has gone on whenever they have nothing to show and start getting desperate.
It started with Milo on Kinect, continued with more Kinect showcases where an actor on stage pretends he's playing something that doesn't even work yet (and never ends up working), and moves its way up to Minecraft on Hololens, a cringey fake on-stage group demonstration for Forza Horizon 4, ect. Their E3 conferences have always had this kind of horseshit and these are just the ones off the top of my head.
And the only thing anyone seems to remember is Sony using Guerrilla's internal Killzone 2 CGI 15 years ago to say that they can't be trusted
What happened to the group that put the first Xbox together? It was an awesome machine with a massive lineup of quality games and it was their first try on the market. They didn't have to bullshit anything then.
longdi
Banned
Im not a fan of CGI trailers too.
But in terms of non-CGI, i found both sets are about there, at least in visuals.
What gets dinked from MS showing, is they did not state the games were running off XSX.
That said, i dont think it matters if they are running on PC, as long as MS launch XSX on time as promised, at good volume.
But in terms of non-CGI, i found both sets are about there, at least in visuals.
What gets dinked from MS showing, is they did not state the games were running off XSX.
That said, i dont think it matters if they are running on PC, as long as MS launch XSX on time as promised, at good volume.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
And it works, you've seen at least 2 posters claim during the conference they stated it was gameplay when they didn't say that at any point during the showcase.
At this point it's clear that people are in warrioring mode and it doesn't matter wether you talk about Sony or Microsoft, you're getting hit no matter what anytime you post anything that isn't glowing praise. On the Halo Infinite thread someone even went to the lengths to tell me that all PCs are xboxes and thus Microsoft had demoed Halo on an Xbox. And in this thread, well, you've seen what happened.
Hell, I'm on record on this forum saying I lean Sony, and in fact I own a PS4 not an xbox. But that doesn't matter.
To this day, to my knowledge, the only word we've had of any next-gen gameplay running live on a devkit is IGN calling the second R&C segment a gameplay demo. And of cource since it's videogame "journalism" they don't have a quote and neither do they state a source, you have to trust them.
These companies have a history of misrepresenting their product to generate hype but whenever there's a new gen coming up it's like that never happened.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Wrong.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
A lot of the games on this chart are categorized wrong.
Stray is in-engine, but we haven't seen any real gameplay
State of Decay 3's trailer is confirmed CGI as well.
Hellblade 2 had an in-engine trailer (UE5), though there is skepticism if it's a target render.
Stray is in-engine, but we haven't seen any real gameplay
State of Decay 3's trailer is confirmed CGI as well.
Hellblade 2 had an in-engine trailer (UE5), though there is skepticism if it's a target render.
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SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Unconfirmed, but Digital Foundry thinks the same. But I don't think one in-engine shot is enough to move it out of the CGI trailer classification.
Perrott
Gold Member
Scalebound was funded by Microsoft (first-party game). Deep Down and Silent Hills were funded by Capcom and Konami (third-party games). That's the difference.
Also, the Sucker Punch game was not a cancelled title but a proof of concept that slowly morphed into Ghost of Tsushima.
Killzone: Shadow Fall was not downgraded. The final game ended up looking the same as the PS Meeting demo.
Tulipanzo
Member
To clarify on those three.
Stray surprisingly actually looks like that. Developers had released a very short demo for what would become Stray 4 years ago, and it looks like the new trailer we've seen, which is why I chose "in-game". Here:
HB2 had a previous in-engine trailer, but had only aerial locations shots at this event and snippets of the original trailer, which explains the tag. Had they just shown the same trailer in full I would have just marked them as "in-engine".
SOD3 I put as CGI already, I'm not sure what you mean.
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Tulipanzo
Member
I feel that this is missing the forest for the trees.
People obviously don't like any games getting cancelled, but they are especially receptive to MS's cancellations because of the context as to why they were cancelled.
MS has a history of project meddling, which is what we heard for games like Scalebound, Stormlands, Fable Legends, Phantom Dust, and Project Spark. MS increased the scope and budget of games with little consideration for creators.
By comparison, Sony projects that do fall through are caused by problems on the partner's end (famously Konami, and Capcom seems to be due to shifted focus to RE Engine vs Panta Rhei).
It could be that Sony is just better at shushing this kind of stories, but by this point with MS it looks like a pattern.
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MasterCornholio
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Might as well add this one to the list.
Tulipanzo
Member
A bit late, plus it wasn't really at either conference.
Still, once again more things running on PS5, which I think is very positive.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
That boggles my mind.
MS is also not saying that their console is the most powerful anymore, they moved on to "the most consistent performing console" or something along those lines.
I really wonder what is going on, wjy not show something... Anything on the new console.
INC
Member
Yeh i wonder, a game thats cost over 100m, 4-5years dev time, and now months from console release, 2 original dves have been brought back to revive its corpse and try and give ms fans some hope
I wonder why they're not showing anything on the console......?
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Sony just catched up to the normal pace of a new console release cycle (which is good). This is MS that are acting like a three years old that refuses to go to the toilet, when it's definitely time to go, they dance around, say they want to do this that and the other thing.... Then they shit in their pants.
At least when Sega rushed out the Saturn they had a couple of games to show at the E3 then and there.
You'd have thought they could at least show some gameplay of Forza though. Isn't that meant to be out next year? How can they have nothing to show?
It's really weird.
INC
Member
I give Xbx a lot of shit, but with all the gas lighting, even I was eagerly waiting to see what they had to show (in terms of pushing what we can expect from next gen), that hasn't happened
No real gameplay shown, and what has been shown (halo) honestly looked like last gen (it's cross gen blah blah blah, it's not an excuse at all, they pushed the narrative of most powerful console, not us)
It is indeed extremely odd where ms have found themselves going into next gen now, worrying even.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Very positive? The consoles will be in our hands in like 2 months and we still have people trying to pretend that the series x is somehow all an elaborate hoax that doesn’t actually exist lol. Never mind the fact that devs are making games for it on their dev kits, oh no, they’re all in on it.
Absolutely ridiculous.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Deep down and the wizard game being shown at the ps4 show and Never coming out
- Deep down got both a downgrade and was then cancelled, this was a Capcom game.. the wizard thing was a tech demo, not a game
Ghosts graphics downgrade last of us 2 graphics downgrade
- nah, must have been a ghost you have seen
Every killzone graphics downgrade.
Silent hills from kojima never comes out.
- killzone:sf didn't, I grant you that the "target render" for killzone 2 was embarrassingly full of BS
- the whole silent Hill situation is not Sony's fault, this was not their game
Sony delivers, this is about the final output and more importantly the quality of the games... If it was about hype and trailers MS would be doing a lot better for themselves.
He said before the gameplay, after the guy speaks... You need to be wilfully ignoring it.
Watch the whole thing again.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Lol necroing a month old post.
Give me the timestamp in the video where they say it. I already went through that and no one could provide it since they don't use the word gameplay.
So, I'm waiting.
Agnostic2020
Member
Why are u being obtuse on purpose ? Accept u made a mistake and move on .
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I'm not your secretary, I just looked again to be sure it's there, they definitely claim every game runs on ps5 (except gta 5).
You should no go around schooling people when you can even read a simple notice near the beggining of a video.
This is not l like the games were unbelievably good looking for next gen.
pasterpl
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Question to you OP, why have you left out so many Xbox games that were shown on 2 showcases for Xbox? The Xbsex list is actually bigger than PS5 (at this stage).
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