I'm aware of that but 10GB has it own reservation on Series S too.
At what resolution and with what effects? There are minimum specs and recommended. Any evidence XSS doesn't meet minimum?
That’s the point though. If the hardware is there but the service and games aren’t discount the hardware to entice. If they have this giant vault of cash that, according to users here, is just play money. You lock gamers into your eco and when the exclusives come you can bump up gpu. They are planning that anyway based on the gold price raise they tried last week.
from posters HERE. They’re not hard to find.
no. That is THE argument. That nobody knows because the numbers aren’t shared. That’s the doubt. I would like to know how many are paying full price because I’m saying that many ARE paying $1 or various discounted gp deals. Otherwise, they’re padded. I know you want to make it a moot point but it’s anything but when you’re shouting 18 million with little substance.
I don't see a 4TF Xbox console being sold for $299 a appealing price for the mass market.
consoles are constrained affordable boxes. that's all there is to them, doesnt matter if its SS,SX or PS5. port or not, most graphics options at low-med at 1440p, ouch.Considering it has the same performance in the 12 TFLOPS XSX with less I/O stutters (as reported by DF)? Curious.
60 FPS mode plus jump from 1080p to 1440p for a patch, it does not seem like a bad free update.
It simply doesn't make sense to sell a product at a loss when you can't even manufacture enough at $299 (currently). When they need to, they need will drop the price to keep units moving.
I love how people are saying this now like it was obvious before. I distinctly remember xbox fans saying all they have to do is set it to 1080p with little to no effort and that at that resolution the XSS is actually "more capable" than the XSX.
Why? Just not to have a small win against XSX? I do not get you here
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Dev: Next-Gen Features Have to Be Fitted to XSS Memory; It Would Have Been Much Easier with XSX Only
Exor Studios' Paweł Lekki said that the Xbox Series S memory is the determining point for the gameplay features of next-gen consoles.wccftech.com
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Some gameplay video
Are we still stuck at a time when GPU’s only processed pretty pixels only and not essentially being a giant vector unit co-processor for intensive general computation?
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Guess which system will hit $199 first. I don't think the PS5 will hit $199 EVER.
They did share the numbers. They have 18 mil subs. If you choose to not believe that that is on you. You've been fighting the good fight trying to convince people of 'loopholes' and that Gamepass isn't a good value but I think the only people who are buying that are people who don't have the Xbox in the first place so that's good I guess.
Oh we know MS will drop the price.
Nope. They have the best price next gen console right now. You already can't get more for less. They can drop the price later to continue to move units. They are already taking a loss on the system right now. Despite what some say here the XSS is an impressive piece of tech. It is not cheaply tossed together.
Pretty sure PC development has the same issues seeing how they are all sorts of specs games have to run on. Last time I checked MS has a unified development environment that should make fitting those games in XSS RAM more manageable. Making a box more gamers could access was more important than making the most powerful box.
PC doesn't really enter into it, we're talking about spec differences on closed systems where limitations are absolute and must be observed always.
How is that? The next gen starts at $399.
I don't think this will ever happen, developers need as much install base as possible (yes more than pretty graphics these days) unless XSS flops hard nobody can afford to ignore it, what they can do in some cases is chop the XSS version until it runs.
Sure man. Outside of Sony 1st party what games will PS5 have that WON'T be on the XSS? Outside of graphics there is nothing the XSS can't do that the PS5 can.
Both consoles will have games that aren't on the other. The true test will be MS Flight Simulator. If it runs poorly on the XSS there might be an argument to be made about the XSS holding something back.
No game on XSS will give a true next gen experience.
I'll bite. You have any proof? What makes a game offer a true next gen experience sir?
No game on XSS gives a true next gen experience.
It already is.
Hmmm sounds like fanboy nonsense. I thought it was gameplay that defined next-gen not resolutions. I have not seen any evidence that the XSS is holding back gameplay especially if they use the full feature set of the console. The resolution is the primary sacrifice and that is already known.
Are we changing what we were just saying?
18 million subscribers sounds great. Unfortunately, without context we don’t know how many are paying $1 or how many are temporary subs. That’s what Msoft does and does consistently. There are those who choose to believe it and those who don’t. It’s not lying, it’s more like partial truth. Remember, this is the same company who not long ago advertised “most powerful console” and changed that shit QUICK when they started getting beat in head to heads. So yes, they have announced 18 million. Now, they can elaborate and let everyone know the breakdown.
They don't have to "deal" with it. There is no qualifying organization for a PC game. If it performs poorly the devs don't get punished. Xbox is not an open platform, so they have to test and optimize for two seperate HW targets and that means more resources and test time. The API mitigates that to some extent at the expense of "coding to the metal" so to speak.
I thought allocation on XSS OS wise was slightly smaller (2.5 GB on XSX for the OS and 2 GB on XSS), but that makes the situation worse haha.
Actually, It is 7.5 GB, isn't it?
I agree. My $299 and $99 scenario is for those who are delusional enough to think that Msoft stature as a company would have them miss out on making money whenever they can and the game business is something they’re in to just hang around and toy with. Usually it comes up when one brings up the 7.5 billion investment in zeni that will take years to make back. Because if they discounted both systems $100 they would sell millions and millions of consoles and lock millions of millions into their eco. It would be an investment as well. There are those that think the 7.5 billion was a drop in the bucket because the company has x amount of profit this year. Although, it has calmed some since the news of doubling gold came out so...
Are we? If we are saying that XSS is holding back next gen resolutions then I guess we agree. I don't know when MS said that XSS wasn't a lower resolution console though.
How does that affect you as a gamer especially one that doesn't play Xbox? Have you filed a complaint to the BBB for their 'Xbox powerful console' claims? You can also let them know about their potential deception about the Gamepass number too. This is obviously pretty important to you. It is your choice to see some sort of deception in their press releases but you can do something about it.
It seems like the delusion is that MS has to release their software on other consoles in order to recoup their investments with their studios. I don't ever remember seeing someone saying that MS does not need to make money.
i dont if this post is serious or just trolling,dont know anymore
It’s a poor representation of segment of an industry I support.
No. The delusion is that they can spend money without a return. That’s how so many of you are getting 3 years of gamepass for $1. You’re paying for 3 years of gold upfront at god knows what kind of markup which actually has no value. That’s why it was going to double before all the crying.
Who exactly is it supposed to be trolling? I don't even know what you are going on about? You do know what trolling is don't you?
I said XSS isn't next gen. You are attempting to spin this away.
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The XSS and XSX are in the same gen. There has been no evidence that outside of graphics it can't do something the PS5 or XSX can do. If you have any evidence you can post the examples. You make the claim prove your point.
Please point out anyone that said MS wants to spend money with no return. The argument is that they don't need the PlayStation to make money not that they don't want to make any at all. That is the delusion. The XSS exists because MS is trying to find more avenues to make money. They have to appeal to more than just the hardcore.
Microsoft reveals Xbox Series S specs, promises four times the processing power of Xbox One
The Xbox Series S has a different GPU than the Series X
EDIT : also Jason Ronald said it here. Timestamped :
XSX and have PS5 games in 120fps that the XSS does not.
True.
Not that they want to. That they can and will and it’s no big deal.
What paywall cloud saves? The one on PS5 for PS5 games before they’ve allowed expansion storage to be used? That will be sorted out. You can backup PS4 saves on PS4 and PS5.
The gold price hike will be applied elsewhere. You think they’re not getting their pound of flesh?
it falls in with how they do things. They’re intentionally gimping their premium console and “most powerful Xbox” by extending the floor. The perfect way to never reach their ceiling. That’s exactly what’s going to happen with gp and it gpu. They doubled the price of gold for what? What’s the value of their gold subscription and why did it need to be doubled? Maybe it was so they could keep churning that $1 loophole and have people preload 3 years of gold at $360 instead of $180? We’ll see...
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There is no way to backup your PS5 game saves outside of the cloud which is behind a paywall. Sony will have their 'pound of flesh' as you put it. I do like how you didn't comment on the horrible refund policy and gave them the benefit of the doubt on the cloud save paywall.
