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Guys, the arguing over exclusive is asinine.

PC is a shared platform. No company owns a PC. It shouldn't even be in the discussion.

Exclusive means only MS and only Sony and only Nintendo. Period.

Agreed. And even on pc, it gets crazy sometimes. Ie - Mechwarrior 5 released as an epic exclusive, much to my chagrin, but then appeared a couple of months later on the pc xbox service before the exclusive window was up. Now it's finally coming out on steam.

PC has so many games services now, it's crazy.

 

[ManaByte]

Agreed. And even on pc, it gets crazy sometimes. Ie - Mechwarrior 5 released as an epic exclusive, much to my chagrin, but then appeared a couple of months later on the pc xbox service before the exclusive window was up. Now it's finally coming out on steam.

PC has so many games services now, it's crazy.

Personally I don't give a fuck how the game gets installed on my HDD. But some people want to carry their plastic box wars into the PC world and turn it into installer wars.

 

[nightmare-slain]

ps fans are really arrogant entitled salty delusional kids. this thread is pathetic.

 

[Hezekiah]

AND PC? Oh well. Still no reason to go green.

Thank goodness for PC gaming. Just need Nvidia to pull their finger out and (properly) launch the 3000 series.

 

[GHG]

Personally I don't give a fuck how the game gets installed on my HDD. But some people want to carry their plastic box wars into the PC world and turn it into installer wars.

You can blame Epic for that. They are the ones literally bringing console war moneyhatting tactics to the PC space, what kind of response did you expect?

In an ideal world all games are available on all the major launchers/storefronts and then people can decide which ecosystem they would rather buy the game through rather than being forced (to wait) because Epic are happy to burn money on this shit. At least then it would be a cases of the storefronts competing on price and features instead of game availability being decided by who is willing to burn the most cash.

 

[ManaByte]

You can blame Epic for that. They are the ones literally bringing console war moneyhatting tactics to the PC space, what kind of response did you expect?

In an ideal world all games are available on all the major launchers/storefronts and then people can decide which ecosystem they would rather buy the game through rather than being forced (to wait) because Epic are happy to burn money on this shit. At least then it would be a cases of the storefronts competing on price and features instead of game availability being decided by who is willing to burn the most cash.

If that's such a concern to you just use the GoG Galaxy launcher which consolidates all your games into one place.

 

[Dolomite]

Most big 3rd party publishers get a big portion -in many cases half or even more- of their AAA revenue selling games/DLC/IAP on PlayStation, something explained with the install base market share. So I assume it's the same in the case of Zenimax. So I highly doubt they will reject all this huge amount of revenue just to make happy some fanboys, because as a company they will want to recoup the investment they did on Zenimax as fast as possible in some years and to get a positive ROI.

On top of that MS is already losing a ton of money almost giving away 1st and 3rd party games day one on Game Pass, and as Game Pass grows their revenue from 1st party sales on Xbox and PC will keep decreasing because even if a small portion of players will continue buying some of their favorite games on physical even if they already have them on Game Pass, the majority of Game Pass users won't. So until Game Pass grows until a critical mass that allows them to turn it into a profitable business,, if it even achives its, they will want to have a good alternative revenue sources, and the main Zenimax one, or at least a huge one, should be as of now to sell games on PlayStation.

The Disney and Fox deal has nothing to do with Microsoft and Zenimax. Microsoft isn't a market leader in gaming, they are the 3rd one behind Sony and Nintendo. Even addiing Zenimax revenue/market share. There are over 1500 million games sold for PS4 and way under 10% of them are from Zenimax, so won't have an impact on PS4/PS5 Sony 3rd party game sales (their main revenue source). So to remove Zenimax games from PlayStation would be a dumb move that would have basically no effect on the Xbox vs PlayStation competition, it only would mean tons of less revenue for Microsoft and to make a few fanboys happy.

Fox catalog of movies and IPs is way bigger than the Zenimax one, and unlike Zenimax has a substantial market share so means a huge move in the market because now combining Disney and Fox they are a clear market leader of the box office, that's why they paid 10 times more for Fox than for Zenimax:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/187171/market-share-of-film-studios-in-north-america-2010/

So in their case, being Disney a clear market leader and having tons of top movies and IPs that give them revenue from many sources and not being Netflix the main one at all, makes sense for Disney to avoid Netflix and co because Netflix is a small part of the revenue that Fox made, unlike it happens with Zenimax, for who PlayStation was their top, or one of their top, revenue source. For Disney, having Fox movies on Disney Plus and not in Neflix will mean to make more money than before while at the same time earn market share and crush a bit more their competitiors (in this case Netflix & co). For Microsoft, to have Zenimax games in Xbox and not in PlayStation would mean to make less money than before beause they already had them on Xbox and made most of their money on PlayStation where Zenimax had a tiny market share of the total games sold in PlayStation, while Fox's main revenue source wasn't Netflix and Fox catalog was more important for Netflix.

Joke's on you, papa Phil loves throwing away money to try and make me happy. I mean have you seen MS's balance sheet? Have you seen the balance sheet of any trillion dollar company? Risk big win big

 

[GHG]

If that's such a concern to you just use the GoG Galaxy launcher which consolidates all your games into one place.

I did for a while but a considerable amount of jank starts to happen once you have over a certain amount of games and platforms that need to be synced. Plus it's just convenient for me to have everything on Steam since I frequently use Steam link in my home. I have over 1000 games on the platform and it's still by far the best overall platform for PC gaming, especially if you also use VR.

It's no coincidence that Epic's biggest defenders tend to come from those who have a heavy console bias or don't even game on PC at all. Unfortunately that's the form of "competition" they have become accustomed to, it's all they know do for them it seems normal.

 

[Dolomite]

You can blame Epic for that. They are the ones literally bringing console war moneyhatting tactics to the PC space, what kind of response did you expect?

In an ideal world all games are available on all the major launchers/storefronts and then people can decide which ecosystem they would rather buy the game through rather than being forced (to wait) because Epic are happy to burn money on this shit. At least then it would be a cases of the storefronts competing on price and features instead of game availability being decided by who is willing to burn the most cash.

Epic Game store is trash and thier console-esque culture looks laughably out of place amongst the PC community. Use GOG, Steam literally anything else

 

[Papacheeks]

We know that all PS owners have a high end PC, it's a fact.

It's not super high end but I can play whatever I want at 1440p.

 

[nemiroff]

Personally I don't give a fuck how the game gets installed on my HDD. But some people want to carry their plastic box wars into the PC world and turn it into installer wars.

But.. that's why people resist walled garden exclusives on PC in the first place.. All games should by principle be available in all stores and launchers period.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

There’s a thread on this “tweet by a guy” and it is 100% not accurate. As you said, he even left out xcloud. It’s not a Microsoft exclusive either. There are games like flight simulator that you Cannot play on xbox which is owned and funded by microsoft. When and if they name their service that is all encompassing they can say it’s exclusive to whatever that may be. But today, you’re wrong. It can’t be exclusive to “those” because those are NOT the same thing. Unless you want to turn on youre series x or s and show how you’re playing microsoft flight simulator today? Since they’re the same thing

Yes, for once you’re right, there is a thread about this tweet. And there will be another the next time he says something of relevance, and again the next, and again and again. That’s what people do when someone in the industry tweets something. Sorry you aren’t there yet, but you don’t need to be bitter about it.

Now, if your idea of a good time on a Friday night or the weekend is bickering because Jeff Grubb’s wording in a tweet bothers you that much, I’ll leave you to it, have fun. Like every other logical person, I read what he tweeted and know he means it’s exclusive to Windows and Xbox, two MS ecosystems. I’ll leave you to the rest.

 

[kikii]

its also on mobiles

 

[DaGwaphics]

Is Xbox platform exclusive.....and it mean PC+consoles+Xcloud that can run gamepass

You'd think the Sony faithful would have picked up on the fact that they really shouldn't be downplaying exclusives just because a PC port exists.

I've been seeing quite a few PS games on PC as it stands.

 

[Alphagear]

Then why have you played ALL OF THEIR GAMES! Good lord.

I play many games.

Doesn't make them great.

What's your point.

Fallout 3 and Skyrim were good games. Fallout 4 was shite but still played it etc.

 

[godhandiscen]

Not everyone has the time or money for everything. If I had to choose just one it's always going to be playstation or pc

This is really what fanboyism comes down to. People who cannot experience something for a reason or another, trying to diminish that experience to not feel like they are missing out.

 

[ManaByte]

This is really what fanboyism comes down to. People who cannot experience something for a reason or another, trying to diminish that experience to not feel like they are missing out.

 

[reksveks]

You'd think the Sony faithful would have picked up on the fact that they really shouldn't be downplaying exclusives just because a PC port exists.

I've been seeing quite a few PS games on PC as it stands.

Excited to play Kena on my PC later this year

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

Wake me up when the game releases and it's not the usual Bugthesda crapfest.

 

[Darlingcognito]

Just play it on your beast PC, Xbox doesn't get your money that way remember?

 

[twilo99]

And that's why this game will be highly divisive.

Xbox fans will praise it to heaven and PS fans will trash it to hell.

How can u trash a game u can't play?

 

[sainraja]

This is really what fanboyism comes down to. People who cannot experience something for a reason or another, trying to diminish that experience to not feel like they are missing out.

No, not really. People have different priorities and not everyone devotes as much time to gaming as we do. You have to remember that gaming is NOT a requirement and simply is a choice. Their choices don't make it 'fanboyism'; just your narrow outlook.

You can go with PlayStation or Xbox and still experience what 'gaming' is.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Wake me up when the game releases and it's not the usual Bugthesda crapfest.

Ive been immensely lucky when it comes to Bethesda bugs. The only issue I ever had in their games really was Fallout 4 crashes in a few spots. I was able to 100% Skyrim and get the plat on PS3. That’s regarded as their buggiest game ever.

Personally I don’t mind bugs in huge open world games where developers are actually pushing boundaries and giving players tons of agency. In that regard it makes sense that their Fallout and TES games are buggier than most for some people.

 

[twilo99]

Just play it on your beast PC, Xbox doesn't get your money that way remember?

Is it coming to gamepass? My PC is equipped with gamepass and there is zero chance I'm paying for that game if its not on there.

 

[OsirisBlack]

How can u trash a game u can't play?

Let’s not go there this happens to every Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo exclusive. It’s one of the few things I hate about the gaming community everyone saying something sucks that they haven’t even played or have no intention of trying.

 

[bob_mugabe]

This topic is turning out to be the best clinical case study of coping mechanism ever. It should be taught to psychology students around the world for the greater good of mankind.

 

[ManaByte]

No, not really. People have different priorities and not everyone devotes as much time to gaming as we do. You have to remember that gaming is NOT a requirement and simply is a choice. Their choices don't make it 'fanboyism'; just your narrow outlook.

You can go with PlayStation or Xbox and still experience what 'gaming' is.

 

[Gravemind]

AND PC? Oh well. Still no reason to go green.

Really hate to burst your bubble here but if you buy this game, or any other MS first party title for PC, you have already "gone green". The only difference is that MS didn't have to take the financial loss on the console to get you into their ecosystem.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

 

[Garani]

Really hate to burst your bubble here but if you buy this game, or any other MS first party title for PC, you have already "gone green". The only difference is that MS didn't have to take the financial loss on the console to get you into their ecosystem.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

Yeah, but on PC we can go and buy the games in multiple ways that often turn out to be cheaper than street price by a significant margin.

 

[elliot5]

Yeah, but on PC we can go and buy the games in multiple ways that often turn out to be cheaper than street price by a significant margin.

Maybe, but Microsoft doesn't do third party keys so don't expect any cheap Green Man Gaming or G2A codes. As you can see if you look them up, games like Gears 5 and Forza and MSFS2020 and Will of the Wisps don't show.

 

[Potato Chip PRO]

Really hate to burst your bubble here but if you buy this game, or any other MS first party title for PC, you have already "gone green". The only difference is that MS didn't have to take the financial loss on the console to get you into their ecosystem.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

He's already on the Xbox Ecosystem regardless of this choice of platform to play StarField...

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

It's a big win for MSFt as long as the game is good. I'm pretty confident it'll probably be a pretty damn good one, seems like it's been a Howard/BGS passion project for a long time. That said, it NEEDS to be a good game. MSFT really needs some solid 1st party games, and if they can come swinging out the gate with a Bethesda Game Studios open world RPG that embraces what they've done so well in the past while also going in new direction it could sell gangbusters.

Say what you will about Skyrim, but it's one of the best selling games of ALL TIME. Which is a hell of an achievement. I look forward to seeing more and hope it's an awesome game.

Skyrim was an amazing GOTY candidate at launch that had a massive impact on the industry as a whole. It's kind of a meme now due to over saturation, but anyone who acts like it wasn't an amazing game for its time objectively wrong.

 

[ManaByte]

Maybe, but Microsoft doesn't do third party keys so don't expect any cheap Green Man Gaming or G2A codes. As you can see if you look them up, games like Gears 5 and Forza and MSFS2020 and Will of the Wisps don't show.

https://www.g2a.com/en-us/gears-5-xbox-live-key-xbox-one-global-i10000189224007

https://www.g2a.com/forza-horizon-4-standard-edition-xbox-live-key-global-i10000156553001

https://www.g2a.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-pc-microsoft-key-global-i10000195151001

https://www.g2a.com/ori-and-the-will-of-the-wisps-xbox-one-windows-10-xbox-live-key-global-i10000192737007

You were saying?

 

[Garani]

Maybe, but Microsoft doesn't do third party keys so don't expect any cheap Green Man Gaming or G2A codes. As you can see if you look them up, games like Gears 5 and Forza and MSFS2020 and Will of the Wisps don't show.

Oh, really?

Microsoft Simulator 2020:
- Microsoft Store: €69.99
- Third Party key seller: €42.40

To me it looks like I can get it cheaper outside the store.

 

[elliot5]

https://www.g2a.com/en-us/gears-5-xbox-live-key-xbox-one-global-i10000189224007

https://www.g2a.com/forza-horizon-4-standard-edition-xbox-live-key-global-i10000156553001

https://www.g2a.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-pc-microsoft-key-global-i10000195151001

You were saying?

I was referring to steam third party keys, sorry. And those aren't much cheaper really anyway. If you get Xbox/Microsoft store keys you're better off just subbing to game pass to get the games for cheap.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

It needs to stay exclusive but I can see it going to other platforms in 6 months-2 years.

 

[godhandiscen]

No, not really. People have different priorities and not everyone devotes as much time to gaming as we do. You have to remember that gaming is NOT a requirement and simply is a choice. Their choices don't make it 'fanboyism'; just your narrow outlook.

You can go with PlayStation or Xbox and still experience what 'gaming' is.

Making a choice doesn’t make you a fanboy, but trying to diminish an experience which you do not have access to makes you a fanboy.

Your reading comprehension is awful.

 

[ManaByte]

It needs to stay exclusive but I can see it going to other platforms in 6 months-2 years.

That's some amazing alternate universe you're living in where trillion dollar corporations spend billions to give content to their direct competitors.

 

[HawarMiran]

Same here, my issue is what does this mean for mods? I hate windows store with a passion. Locked down bad download, no tweaking garbage platform. I'd rather have steam/gog. Shit i would settle for origin/uplay/epic over MS store. At least we know on those platforms mods are allowed.
How can you do mods on a walled garden windows app that doesn't allow you to touch the file structure?
This is going to suck for tes6 more than anything.

MS games come to Steam, no? I played the first Ori on Steam.

 

[elliot5]

MS games come to Steam, no? I played the first Ori on Steam.

Yes. All recent titles are on Steam and some are being backported like Forza Horizon 4 recently. Upcoming titles like AOE4 and Halo Infinite are releasing on Steam day 1. Expect the same for Bethesda/Zenimax titles, DEATHLOOP is already on there.

 

[ManaByte]

How can you do mods on a walled garden windows app that doesn't allow you to touch the file structure?
This is going to suck for tes6 more than anything.

Microsoft is building a new app store for Windows 10 in major revitalization effort

Microsoft wants to bring life back to the Store app on Windows 10.

www.windowscentral.com

 

[Hitchyhero]

Most big 3rd party publishers get a big portion -in many cases half or even more- of their AAA revenue selling games/DLC/IAP on PlayStation, something explained with the install base market share. So I assume it's the same in the case of Zenimax. So I highly doubt they will reject all this huge amount of revenue just to make happy some fanboys, because as a company they will want to recoup the investment they did on Zenimax as fast as possible in some years and to get a positive ROI.

On top of that MS is already losing a ton of money almost giving away 1st and 3rd party games day one on Game Pass, and as Game Pass grows their revenue from 1st party sales on Xbox and PC will keep decreasing because even if a small portion of players will continue buying some of their favorite games on physical even if they already have them on Game Pass, the majority of Game Pass users won't. So until Game Pass grows until a critical mass that allows them to turn it into a profitable business,, if it even achives its, they will want to have a good alternative revenue sources, and the main Zenimax one, or at least a huge one, should be as of now to sell games on PlayStation.

The Disney and Fox deal has nothing to do with Microsoft and Zenimax. Microsoft isn't a market leader in gaming, they are the 3rd one behind Sony and Nintendo. Even addiing Zenimax revenue/market share. There are over 1500 million games sold for PS4 and way under 10% of them are from Zenimax, so won't have an impact on PS4/PS5 Sony 3rd party game sales (their main revenue source). So to remove Zenimax games from PlayStation would be a dumb move that would have basically no effect on the Xbox vs PlayStation competition, it only would mean tons of less revenue for Microsoft and to make a few fanboys happy.

Fox catalog of movies and IPs is way bigger than the Zenimax one, and unlike Zenimax has a substantial market share so means a huge move in the market because now combining Disney and Fox they are a clear market leader of the box office, that's why they paid 10 times more for Fox than for Zenimax:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/187171/market-share-of-film-studios-in-north-america-2010/

So in their case, being Disney a clear market leader and having tons of top movies and IPs that give them revenue from many sources and not being Netflix the main one at all, makes sense for Disney to avoid Netflix and co because Netflix is a small part of the revenue that Fox made, unlike it happens with Zenimax, for who PlayStation was their top, or one of their top, revenue source. For Disney, having Fox movies on Disney Plus and not in Neflix will mean to make more money than before while at the same time earn market share and crush a bit more their competitiors (in this case Netflix & co). For Microsoft, to have Zenimax games in Xbox and not in PlayStation would mean to make less money than before beause they already had them on Xbox and made most of their money on PlayStation where Zenimax had a tiny market share of the total games sold in PlayStation, while Fox's main revenue source wasn't Netflix and Fox catalog was more important for Netflix.

Oh man. There's so many thing wrong with this post I don't even know where to start. Main 3

1) MS is a trillion dollar company. Why do they instantly need to make their money back when they can wait it out

2) MS May have crunched the numbers and may think they will gain more money in the long run by tieing the games to xbox/gamepass than releasing it on playatation

3) if MS only bought Zenimax/bathesda games to appear on gamepass but still put them on PS, why didn't they just cut a gamepass deal instead of buying the company. Would have been a lot cheaper.

Specifically on 2.... I love hearing PS fans say this

"lol xbox has no games"
"I'm not buying an xbox as they have no exclusives"
Xbox buys bathesda
"Ms won't keep that game exclusive, they need the money from PlayStation, because they have a bigger base from all the exclusives they have"

So what are PS fans angle here. You won't buy an xbox because they have no exclusives but MS shouldn't keep games exclusive because the PS install base is too big to miss out on (because PS has so many exclusives).

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

That's some amazing alternate universe you're living in where trillion dollar corporations spend billions to give content to their direct competitors.

Game was in development on PlayStation platforms before the acquisition so I believe MS will have to honor this.

Softening the blow is making it a timed exclusive.
If you think only 2 games are coming to PlayStation after the Zenimax purchase than you are fooling yourself.

I guarantee a few games were in development.

 

[FrankWza]

ps fans are really arrogant entitled salty delusional kids. this thread is pathetic.

Yes, for once you’re right, there is a thread about this tweet. And there will be another the next time he says something of relevance, and again the next, and again and again. That’s what people do when someone in the industry tweets something. Sorry you aren’t there yet, but you don’t need to be bitter about it.

Now, if your idea of a good time on a Friday night or the weekend is bickering because Jeff Grubb’s wording in a tweet bothers you that much, I’ll leave you to it, have fun. Like every other logical person, I read what he tweeted and know he means it’s exclusive to Windows and Xbox, two MS ecosystems. I’ll leave you to the rest.

Where are you located that it’s Monday where you are? You’re here doing the same thing genius. I’m not bickering. I made a correct statement that you and others still don’t understand. Once you use the word AND there is no exclusive. That’s it. Theres no rest of it or anything else. The entire tweet fell on its own ass. He tried and completely bungled it. It was a hype-job that failed because it’s wrong. Don’t be so defensive. You didn’t say it. He did. He bungled it.

 

[sainraja]

Making a choice doesn’t make you a fanboy, but trying to diminish an experience which you do not have access to makes you a fanboy.

Your reading comprehension is awful.

The person you responded to wasn't doing that. He simply said not everyone has the time or money for everything and you took that as your moment to define what fanboyism is. That just isn't true. There are more people who have to make a choice between which system vs those who can afford to have them all.

 

[Andodalf]

Same here, my issue is what does this mean for mods? I hate windows store with a passion. Locked down bad download, no tweaking garbage platform. I'd rather have steam/gog. Shit i would settle for origin/uplay/epic over MS store. At least we know on those platforms mods are allowed.
How can you do mods on a walled garden windows app that doesn't allow you to touch the file structure?
This is going to suck for tes6 more than anything.

MS and Beth collabed to get really solid mod support on freaking console. They’ll have mod support OFC

 

[Bernkastel]

Game was in development on PlayStation platforms before the acquisition so I believe MS will have to honor this.

Softening the blow is making it a timed exclusive.
If you think only 2 games are coming to PlayStation after the Zenimax purchase than you are fooling yourself.

I guarantee a few games were in development.

Grounded was also in development way before Microsoft bought Obsidian right after PoE 2 alonside Outer Worlds. They never had to "honour" any work they did for other platforms, unless it's like Outer Worlds where it's part of their contract with Private Division.
Just because some things "were in development" in early stages for some platform does mean you have to "honour that work" just because some forum poster deemed it necessary. For example Psychonauts 2 was promised to be on PS4 during the kickstarter campaign so it is coming to PS4 but not PS5(you can still play it through BC though).

 

[Jigsaah]

I'm with Destin on this one 100% I can't understand the hype when we know so little about the game. Wait and see mode activated.

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

Ive been immensely lucky when it comes to Bethesda bugs. The only issue I ever had in their games really was Fallout 4 crashes in a few spots. I was able to 100% Skyrim and get the plat on PS3. That’s regarded as their buggiest game ever.

Personally I don’t mind bugs in huge open world games where developers are actually pushing boundaries and giving players tons of agency. In that regard it makes sense that their Fallout and TES games are buggier than most for some people.

Cool story bro. The games are not even good. I beat Oblivion (100 hours) and Skyrim (over 60 hours). Very overrated games. Full of bugs, bad design, bad graphics, horrible animations, bad menus and inventory, garbage combat (cant emphasize this enough) poor progression and class variety, garbage narrative/dramatization, bottom-tier voice acting...the endings suck too! I could go on and on, but if you like that crap more power to you bro! Enjoy!

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

That's some amazing alternate universe you're living in where trillion dollar corporations spend billions to give content to their direct competitors.

Their "direct competitors" are Google and Amazon. Phil Spencer said it, not me.