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[Md Ray]

MS promised no such thing, Riky just posted a link above.

MS just released a 4 tf box. What developers do with it is upto them. If they can't put ray tracing on it, that's it. Deal with it.

I am a Series S customer. I don't care. If any developer bothers to put ray tracing on it, I will disable it. Not worth it imo.

I just want smooth 60fps and clean 1080p image (upscaled if it has to).

If I were interested in ray tracing, I would have waited for Series X or built a PC.

They did. And I've posted them multiples times. You can check my post history.

Anyway I don't intend to derail this thread any further. I have said in the past, the S is a fantastic console. But it's MS' dishonest messaging I'm not a fan of. And some of you just don't see It.

 

[mckmas8808]

Hardware limitation. Likely a combination of memory bandwidth + RAM. I cannot ignore how hard MS pushed “RT!! Same experience as X!” hype… yet we now have several games omitting RT on the S entirely.

And most of the games are cross-gen at best. Not a good start for the "S".

 

[DaGwaphics]

Outside of graphical fidelity (RT), no 120fps impacts the core gameplay experience for me. It's present on the S in this game which is great, but not in others where it's present on the X. And where's RT? The console doesn't lack ray accelerators. You see it's inconsistent and doesn't line up with MS' messaging.

My issue is simple:

S was promised by MS to deliver the same "next-gen" experience as X at lower res.

"Next-gen" for me includes ray tracing, 120fps. Something that's not present on Xbox One.

If a game has RT or 120fps or both on the X, it should be present on the S too, at lower res. Not one or the other.

There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that MS false advertised or weren't 100% honest with their messaging and moving on.

Well, it looks like your definition of "next-gen experience" is just different from MS. LOL

I always took their statements to be more about the box always being capable of running the core experience in an enjoyable fashion. Basically, in the not too distant future, when the 1X and PS4 Pro can no longer keep up with the scope of game worlds, etc. the XSS should still be plugging along running those newer experiences at lower res (and potentially lower framerates in some instances). It seems logical that RT will only be available when there is enough headroom over the core experience to support it, which is unlikely in a game with a 60fps target unless the visuals are really basic.

 

[Highway Star]

Ok, Medium is a new gen game and isn't available to play on last-gen consoles. Why is RT missing on the Series S whereas it's present in the Series X version?

Well The Medium is a 30fps game that can drop to 900p on the xsx at times, so not a good example. The xss is a budget machine for next gen with 4tf compared to 12tf on the xsx is probably your answer. Anyone buying a xss expecting it to run toe to toe with the ps5 and xsx is making a bad buy.

 

[Md Ray]

Well The Medium is a 30fps game that can drop to 900p on the xsx at times, so not a good example. The xss is a budget machine for next gen with 4tf compared to 12tf on the xsx is probably your answer. Anyone buying a xss expecting it to run toe to toe with the ps5 and xsx is making a bad buy.

You asked me to name a new gen game, didn't you? So Medium doesn't count? Lol. Be honest.

 

[Highway Star]

You asked me to name a new gen game, didn't you? So Medium doesn't count? Lol. Be honest.

Didn't ask you to name games. I said judge the xss on new gen games, and not last gens with patches to run better on current gen. The xss isn't going to have ray tracing in all new games where it's available for higher end consoles. The xss doesn't have all the resources that the xsx has, and was never designed to be cutting edge. It's a cheap way for someone who won't have a 4k tv to play current gen games on their 1080p tv.

 

[THE DUCK]

They did. And I've posted them multiples times. You can check my post history.

Anyway I don't intend to derail this thread any further. I have said in the past, the S is a fantastic console. But it's MS' dishonest messaging I'm not a fan of. And some of you just don't see It.

Ok so if ms is being dishonest about the S, why are you not also upset at ms and sony about the X and ps5? Both are repeatedly touted as 4k at 120hz and or 8k, or at the very least 4k at 60hz machines, and yet both consistently fail to deliver that on almost every single game. Not one single person has had a reasonable answer for this.

 

[Leyasu]

Ok, Medium is a new gen game and isn't available to play on last-gen consoles. Why is RT missing on the Series S whereas it's present in the Series X version?

Lol the medium.

Isn’t that game a resource hog on the best PCs as well?

 

[LordOfChaos]

I had no idea there was even a 1584p option

Wonder how confused I can make a Best Buy sales associate by asking if any TVs support it

Render resolutions can pretty much be anything with upscaling, the TV just needs to see a supported resolution signal no matter what it's doing internally. With dynamic resolutions I'm sure they hit all sorts of weird numbers internally.

Though I will shake an old man stick at the "P" nomenclature that stuck around. P means progressive, as opposed to Interlaced, which no one uses anymore, so the distinction is meaningless to make when every new TV is P. But it seems to have stuck around to mean "pixels", which it doesn't.

 

[dcmk7]

Don't trust DarkMage and what he said. He is trying brainwash you



Director of program management for the Xbox, Jason Ronald literally said this : "This means Xbox Series S delivers the SAME incredible experience next-generation experience and features as Series X"

How does he get away from posting bullshit all the time? So many lies, and it constantly gets refuted time and time again yet he will keep repeating it somewhere else.

It's just lame trolling.

 

[dcmk7]

Series S missing RT on a 60fps, last gen, and now first party game, is a bit worrying. I really hoped it would just be the "same games at lower resolution", but that shit is gimped way beyond that.

Most titles are stripped back versions of XSX version unfortunately.

Just look at what developers had to do for The Medium.

900p, no ray-tracing at all and sub 30fps.

 

[Renozokii]

it is done so you can still see stuff, as usually done in games.
the issue really was that it was a giant structure and it was 1 big mesh.

so even the parts in front of Ratchet will disappear when the camera goes inside it. easy fix would be to cut this big mesh into like 5 smaller ones so only the specific parts that obstruct the cam would disappear. (I think it is supposed to be a dead dinosaur or something... looked like 4 legs and a body on top, but hard to tell in the posted video)

edit: here's the idiot in question who posted it


and yeah, it does look a bit... crappy, but it would be an easy fix. I think it's an oversight, they most likely didn't think about what happens if you phase the camera into this thing lol
but those twitter idiots made fun of the console for it... like the no brain idiots fanboys are (so very usual stuff)

Imagine playing one of the most gorgeous games of all time and sticking to that somehow negating all else. I actually experienced that in that exact place and never again.

 

[Allandor]

Most titles are stripped back versions of XSX version unfortunately.

Just look at what developers had to do for The Medium.

900p, no ray-tracing at all and sub 30fps.

Look at how bad the medium even runs at high end PCs.
The team is just not big enough to optimize the game that much. They needed the potent hardware of current gen machines to reach their goal.

 

[dcmk7]

Look at how bad the medium even runs at high end PCs.
The team is just not big enough to optimize the game that much. They needed the potent hardware of current gen machines to reach their goal.

The point is it's drastically different to the XSX version, it's no where near the same experience just at a lower resolution. It's miles away from that.

But to find out a first party studio can't make good on the promise either, is very disappointing.

I'm sure they would have called the MS support line and used all the next gen features to assist with the limitations.

 

[DarkMage619]

Don't trust DarkMage and what he said. He is trying brainwash you



Director of program management for the Xbox, Jason Ronald literally said this : "This means Xbox Series S delivers the SAME incredible experience next-generation experience and features as Series X"

Yes. We should count on YOU to tell the truth with regards to anything Xbox. You keep posting the same lie over and over and you have been told over and over that you are wrong, wrong, wrong. The XSS DOES have the same experience as the XSX. Quick resume, frame rate, SSD with quick loading, same CPU, and the same features. Only you and your Sony friends have chosen the arbitrary metric with raytracing and the imaginary standard that 'all XSS games will have raytracing' when NO ONE ever said that. The only one trying to 'brainwash' anyone it's you as you try and convince anyone who isn't really paying attention that you actually know what you are talking about when its pretty darn clear you are being totally disingenuous. The XSS is fine and no matter how many times you lie about it the facts remain the same.

How does he get away from posting bullshit all the time? So many lies, and it constantly gets refuted time and time again yet he will keep repeating it somewhere else.

It's just lame trolling.

Coming from you this is a joke. You are a master of lame trolling making up crap about XSS to fit the same agenda as the King guy. You have refuted NOTHING as you cherry pick quotes and invent problems that don't exist. You know damn well that Jason Ronald NEVER said all XSS games would have raytracing. You know damn well that the XSS has the exact same feature set as the XSX. You know damn well it has the same CPU and SSD. Yet here you are pushing a narrative, feigning 'concern', ignoring obvious facts. Trying to misdirect when people point out how wrong you are by accusing people of 'trolling'. You don't even seem to know what that word means. It's pretty darn sad but oh well you are free to continue to live in your fantasy land but people in the real world see through your act.

Ok so if ms is being dishonest about the S, why are you not also upset at ms and sony about the X and ps5? Both are repeatedly touted as 4k at 120hz and or 8k, or at the very least 4k at 60hz machines, and yet both consistently fail to deliver that on almost every single game. Not one single person has had a reasonable answer for this.

There is no room for your reasonable, rational, and intelligent commentary. It's obvious that Jason Ronald singled out the XSS as the pinnacle of gaming performance and every time it falls short MS was lying!

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Holy shit. You fucks still arguing about the series s? Just don't buy one.

 

[Riky]

The point is it's drastically different to the XSX version, it's no where near the same experience just at a lower resolution. It's miles away from that.

But to find out a first party studio can't make good on the promise either, is very disappointing.

I'm sure they would have called the MS support line and used all the next gen features to assist with the limitations.

I've already posted direct quote from Jason Ronald months before the launch of the consoles saying exactly what he meant, it states that they could reduce effects that don't affect the " fundamental gameplay " Ray Tracing does not affect the fundamental gameplay.

 

[dcmk7]

Yes. We should count on YOU to tell the truth with regards to anything Xbox. You keep posting the same lie over and over and you have been told over and over that you are wrong, wrong, wrong. The XSS DOES have the same experience as the XSX. Quick resume, frame rate, SSD with quick loading, same CPU, and the same features. Only you and your Sony friends have chosen the arbitrary metric with raytracing and the imaginary standard that 'all XSS games will have raytracing' when NO ONE ever said that. The only one trying to 'brainwash' anyone it's you as you try and convince anyone who isn't really paying attention that you actually know what you are talking about when its pretty darn clear you are being totally disingenuous. The XSS is fine and no matter how many times you lie about it the facts remain the same.

Coming from you this is a joke. You are a master of lame trolling making up crap about XSS to fit the same agenda as the King guy. You have refuted NOTHING as you cherry pick quotes and invent problems that don't exist. You know damn well that Jason Ronald NEVER said all XSS games would have raytracing. You know damn well that the XSS has the exact same feature set as the XSX. You know damn well it has the same CPU and SSD. Yet here you are pushing a narrative, feigning 'concern', ignoring obvious facts. Trying to misdirect when people point out how wrong you are by accusing people of 'trolling'. You don't even seem to know what that word means. It's pretty darn sad but oh well you are free to continue to live in your fantasy land but people in the real world see through your act.

I don't quite understand your post.

My points about XSS comes from actual quotes from developers, or the technical specifications released by studios or analysis of the title running. Nothing is made up, unless have examples?

So its not trolling, it's stating facts, to combat disinformation. Disinformation that you or others usually spread.

Disinformation I would say is trolling.

But aside from that, the tech specs released by Bethesda have the XSS game running without raytracing. Again. A first party this time.

Why isn't raytracing possible? Can you explain. It's a bit weird.

 

[Riky]

I don't quite understand your post.

My points about XSS comes from actual quotes from developers, or the technical specifications released by studios or analysis of the title running. Nothing is made up, unless have examples?

So its not trolling, it's stating facts, to combat disinformation. Disinformation that you or others usually spread.

Disinformation I would say is trolling.

But aside from that, the tech specs released by Bethesda have the XSS game running without raytracing. Again. A first party this time.

Why isn't raytracing possible? Can you explain. It's a bit weird.

It's a £249 4tflop box running a last gen engine at either 1440p or 120fps is probably the reason. Does this engine use the performance saving measures the Series S has hardware support for? Probably not, so no Mesh Shaders, No SFS and no VRS.
I would be more "concerned" or disappointed if I were you that a console that costs the same as Series X runs the game at a far lower resolution in performance mode.

 

[dcmk7]

It's a £249 4tflop box running a last gen engine at either 1440p or 120fps is probably the reason. Does this engine use the performance saving measures the Series S has hardware support for? Probably not, so no Mesh Shaders, No SFS and no VRS.
I would be more "concerned" or disappointed if I were you that a console that costs the same as Series X runs the game at a far lower resolution in performance mode.

Oh, the double act again..

Does the said console, (or cheaper digital edition) have a next gen feature such as raytracing missing?

 

[Riky]

Oh, the double act again..

Does the said console, (or cheaper digital edition) have a next gen feature such as raytracing missing?

It doesn't but why do you think it runs at a lower resolution?

 

[dcmk7]

It doesn't but why do you think it runs at a lower resolution?

From a MS first party studio?

Probably the same reason MLB runs better on PS5, right? Don't think we will ever know that.

 

[Riky]

From a MS first party studio?

Probably the same reason MLB runs better on PS5, right? Don't think we will ever know that.

Only in the none playable scenes sometimes, this will be the gameplay that's a big difference.

 

[dcmk7]

Only in the none playable scenes sometimes, this will be the gameplay that's a big difference.

Why are you intent on lying? It's in the analysis.

"On PS5, Xbox Series X, and Xbox Series S, MLB The Show 21 runs at a relatively smooth 60FPS. However, when frame rate dips occur, the frame rate for both Xbox console can drop by as much as 11FPS, giving Sony's next-gen platform the clear advantage."

But I don't care about MLB, used that as an example that first party titles might not perform as well on other consoles. For plenty of reasons. It shouldn't be surprising.

If you want to score it as a win, which obviously want to do, good for you.

 

[Riky]

Why are you intent on lying? It's in the analysis.

"On PS5, Xbox Series X, and Xbox Series S, MLB The Show 21 runs at a relatively smooth 60FPS. However, when frame rate dips occur, the frame rate for both Xbox console can drop by as much as 11FPS, giving Sony's next-gen platform the clear advantage."

But I don't care about MLB, used that as an example that first party titles might not perform as well on other consoles. For plenty of reasons. It shouldn't be surprising.

If you want to score it as a win, which obviously want to do, good for you.

There is no lie, watch the video the frame drops are when you're just looking at players not whilst actually playing, so like I said not in playable areas. Xbox also supports VRR so you wouldn't see them, how are you going to increase the resolution to match the Series X version in the game this thread is actually about?

 

[dcmk7]

There is no lie, watch the video the frame drops are when you're just looking at players not whilst actually playing, so like I said not in playable areas. Xbox also supports VRR so you wouldn't see them, how are you going to increase the resolution to match the Series X version in the game this thread is actually about?

You make no sense.

Not only do you disbelieve the analysis, for something which proves my point.

You're actually saying the PS5 version should perform just as well as the XSX version, considering the game is from a Microsoft first party developer. That's quite a lot to ask for.

Why would they even allow, the same performance, even if they could?


Were you asleep when they said..

either first or better or best​

?

I think you are just wanting to console war, for sake of console warring. Again.

 

[Riky]

You make no sense.

Not only do you disbelieve the analysis, for something which proves my point.

You're actually saying the PS5 version should perform just as well from a Microsoft first page developer.

Why would they even allow, the same performance, even if they could?


Were you asleep when they said..

either first or better or best​

?

I think it's simpler than that or the other two modes would be lowered on PS5 as well. The simple fact is the various graphical settings just scale to the power of the machines in question.

As far as console warring you constantly spout the same rubbish with your buddy in every Xbox thread about Series S, I doubt either of you own one or have any intention of buying one so its simple concern trolling at its worst.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Microsoft was hyperbolic about the XSS capabilities..

Can we move on now?

 

[dcmk7]

I think it's simpler than that or the other two modes would be lowered on PS5 as well. The simple fact is the various graphical settings just scale to the power of the machines in question.

I guess it comes down to me being more neutral on both consoles, I can easily see that Sony and MS released titles for a competing platform, will not look as good as on the marquee console.

Would be a PR disaster for one to look better than the other, considering how and where they are funded from.

But hey, believe what want to believe. It doesn't make much sense but entitled to your opinion.

 

[svbarnard]

THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!! Yes I clearly remember Microsoft's marketing for the Xbox series s was that it would do everything the Xbox series X could do but at a lower resolution I clearly remember that. One of the key next gen features is of course Ray tracing but the XSS can't even do it!!!! MICROSOFT SHOULD CANCEL THE XBOX SERIES S!!!!! It's not too late they can cancel it now if they wanted to. I hated the idea of a strong console and a weak console ever since the Xbox series s was announced!

And as for cloud gaming well guess what that adds lag to the gameplay because everything has to travel through the internet to be processed in a server and then travel back to your home to be displayed on your TV! Literally there will always be some kind of lag with cloud gaming so fuck cloud gaming!!! You want to minimize lag not increase it and cloud gaming increases lag!!!! Seriously I'm so frustrated with the advent of cloud gaming.

 

[svbarnard]

Microsoft was hyperbolic about the XSS capabilities..

Can we move on now?

I know right, they need to cancel it, they need to offer everyone a refund who bought one and then offer them a discount on the Xbox series X, Microsoft needs to cancel the XSS and then make the Xbox series X cheaper than the cheapest PS5. If they did that especially with their lineup of games I believe Microsoft would easily retake the North American market.

 

[dcmk7]

THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!! Yes I clearly remember Microsoft's marketing for the Xbox series s was that it would do everything the Xbox series X could do but at a lower resolution I clearly remember that. One of the key next gen features is of course Ray tracing but the XSS can't even do it!!!! MICROSOFT SHOULD CANCEL THE XBOX SERIES S!!!!! It's not too late they can cancel it now if they wanted to. I hated the idea of a strong console and a weak console ever since the Xbox series s was announced!

And as for cloud gaming well guess what that adds lag to the gameplay because everything has to travel to the internet to be processed in a server and then travel back to your home to be displayed on your TV! Literally their will always be some kind of lag with cloud gaming so fuck cloud gaming!!! You want to minimize lag not increase it and cloud gaming increases lag!!!! Seriously I'm so frustrated with the advent of cloud gaming.

I think most had concerns for the reveal.

Digital XSX would have been ideal, for all, including developers.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Yeah @ svbarnard , nothing instills confidence in a console maker quite like quickly abandoning hardware, especially in combination with wild shifts in strategy.

 

[Faithless83]

Wait, are we already backtracking on the "it's the same thing as an XSX, just lower resolution"?

Good, it means people are becoming more knowledgeable.

 

[Salmon Snake]

This what I've been waiting for. Now I can finally buy the season pass (when the next sale comes) and replay the game and the DLC.

I'll rather play it with Dualshock 4 + back button attachment than with Dualsense. Paddles are just so good for Doom.

 

[DarkMage619]

I don't quite understand your post.

My points about XSS comes from actual quotes from developers, or the technical specifications released by studios or analysis of the title running. Nothing is made up, unless have examples?

So its not trolling, it's stating facts, to combat disinformation. Disinformation that you or others usually spread.

Disinformation I would say is trolling.

But aside from that, the tech specs released by Bethesda have the XSS game running without raytracing. Again. A first party this time.

Why isn't raytracing possible? Can you explain. It's a bit weird.

What developer said that all XSS games would have raytracing? That is an example of a made up claim to try and paint the XSS of doing things that it was never said.

Why is raytracing singled out but the fact that the XSS has the same features as the XSX ignored? It was always clear the device had lower graphical capabilities.

Is the XSS lacking the ability to use quick resume?

Does fps boost not work on the platform? Does Doom Eternal, the game this thread is about not run at 120 fps?

Does the XSS have a different CPU than the XSX? Does the XSS not have RDNA2 feature set?

Why do you ignore developers who say that the XSS is not a problem but focus on ancient quotes to try and prove some point?

Do you have any evidence that a MAJORITY of developers are having problems?

Can you show that the complaining developers are using SFS and VA to mitigate the RAM issues they claim are an issue?

Can you show that the developers reached out to MS BEFORE running to Twitter?

Even your question about raytracing is disingenuous. Did you know Watch Dog Legion, Observer, and Resident Evil 8 all HAVE raytracing? Does that make you feel better? Why are those titles ignored but this specific game proves there is a major problem? That is the weird thing to me. As I've told you many many times. You don't want to play on the XSS because it doesn't meet your performance requirements? That's fine but there is no reason to invent issues. It is a fantastic device for it's target audience. Riky actually has a XSS. Why not ask him how his experience has been if you are actually curious?

Ok so if ms is being dishonest about the S, why are you not also upset at ms and sony about the X and ps5? Both are repeatedly touted as 4k at 120hz and or 8k, or at the very least 4k at 60hz machines, and yet both consistently fail to deliver that on almost every single game. Not one single person has had a reasonable answer for this.

Do you have a good answer to THE DUCK as to why only the XSS is held to an imaginary standard for not having raytracing in all games but the PS5 and XSX are not when all their games don't run at 4k? Could it be people are just trying scoring fanboy points?

 

[Faithless83]

What developer said that all XSS games would have raytracing? That is an example of a made up claim to try and paint the XSS of doing things that it was never said.

Why is raytracing singled out but the fact that the XSS has the same features as the XSX ignored? It was always clear the device had lower graphical capabilities.

Is the XSS lacking the ability to use quick resume?

Does fps boost not work on the platform? Does Doom Eternal, the game this thread is about not run at 120 fps?

Does the XSS have a different CPU than the XSX? Does the XSS not have RDNA2 feature set?

Why do you ignore developers who say that the XSS is not a problem but focus on ancient quotes to try and prove some point?

Do you have any evidence that a MAJORITY of developers are having problems?

Can you show that the complaining developers are using SFS and VA to mitigate the RAM issues they claim are an issue?

Can you show that the developers reached out to MS BEFORE running to Twitter?

Even your question about raytracing is disingenuous. Did you know Watch Dog Legion, Observer, and Resident Evil 8 all HAVE raytracing? Does that make you feel better? Why are those titles ignored but this specific game proves there is a major problem? That is the weird thing to me. As I've told you many many times. You don't want to play on the XSS because it doesn't meet your performance requirements? That's fine but there is no reason to invent issues. It is a fantastic device for it's target audience. Riky actually has a XSS. Why not ask him how his experience has been if you are actually curious?

Do you have a good answer to THE DUCK as to why only the XSS is held to an imaginary standard for not having raytracing in all games but the PS5 and XSX are not when all their games don't run at 4k? Could it be people are just trying scoring fanboy points?

Just go to the XSS reveal thread and other game releases and people saying "Just lower the resolution and profit".

We've spent the whole time complaining about how the weaker hardware will hold things back.

Look at the Sony backlash for still supporting the PS4 on 3 major releases. It only applies to Sony?
Where were the so called "it will hold development back" people when the XSS was announced?

We are just calling out the BS, don't be salty about it.

 

[OverHeat]

At least PlayStation owner get to enjoy Doom one last time.

 

[dcmk7]

Is the XSS lacking the ability to use quick resume?

Care to show me where anyone has ever said this?

And why that is important to you?

How are saved states related to the XSS struggling with raytracing exactly?

Why do you want to move the goalposts in that direction? Because it's something the XSS can do? Ok.

Are you not going to refute anything I said before by the way? or can you not explain why, even first party titles, Doom Eternal are missing next gen features?

How are Series S owners getting the same next gen experience as the more expensive big brother?

 

[Faithless83]

At least PlayStation owner get to enjoy Doom one last time.

This post won't age well.

 

[THE DUCK]

Just go to the XSS reveal thread and other game releases and people saying "Just lower the resolution and profit".

We've spent the whole time complaining about how the weaker hardware will hold things back.

Look at the Sony backlash for still supporting the PS4 on 3 major releases. It only applies to Sony?
Where were the so called "it will hold development back" people when the XSS was announced?

We are just calling out the BS, don't be salty about it.

Wait, what? This forum ripped apart the XSS for ruining next gen, now your saying that never happened? It was ridiculous, they are all in hiding now (or in denial), at least most of them since the Sony announcement since they don't want to agree anymore that any machine can hold back next gen at this point, since it points out the very double standard you are making reference to.
It's probably time to accept the real truth, and that's that modern day games are fairly scalable, and that these machines don't have the detrimental impact that was suggested. (whether it be XSS, PS4 or Xbox One, or PC low end)

 

[OverHeat]

This post won't age well.

It’s only a joke.

 

[soulbait]

Some people really take this whole Ray Tracing thing very seriously and it seems other people really take their XSS very seriously.

I actually think both of you are right, just from different perspectives and expectations. One person reads it as it would be feature for feature match in graphic settings, except for resolution. Another sees it as the game itself does not change due to lack of RT, so it is still providing what is wanted.


Personally? I never expected the XSS to be able to do the same amount of RT in the same games as XSX, but I could see why some might have had that expectations.

Also, some people are just trolls who love to argue about anything.

RT or not, feature to feature match or not, the XSS is a powerful little machine. Sure you might think it will hold the XSX back, where others might not think that. It will be a while until we truly know this to be true, and even then it might be small use cases used as proof text for each others opinions on this.

So enough already. I don't know if you guys heard, but we are getting free next generation upgrades to our games! In the past, we would have to double dip on consoles, but not anymore. Can we at least be happy, as gamers, together about this and freaking stop arguing about every little thing just to feel superior over the other?

 

[Riky]

Care to show me where anyone has ever said this?

And why that is important to you?

How are saved states related to the XSS struggling with raytracing exactly?

Why do you want to move the goalposts in that direction? Because it's something the XSS can do? Ok.

Are you not going to refute anything I said before by the way? or can you not explain why, even first party titles, Doom Eternal are missing next gen features?

How are Series S owners getting the same next gen experience as the more expensive big brother?

Where did Microsoft say all Series S games will have Ray Tracing?

And why is this important to you?

Doom Eternal was not released when id was first party and this is just an upgrade patch.

Series S owners will be getting the same gameplay experience, which is what Jason Ronald said, I quoted it pages and pages ago but you just ignore it and continue with your concern trolling.

Series S owners are getting either a 1440p or 120fps experience, that's pretty impressive for a £249 box, do you own a Series S or have any intention of buying one? If not why do you care enough to keep going through this argument?

 

[dcmk7]

Where did Microsoft say all Series S games will have Ray Tracing?

And why is this important to you?

Doom Eternal was not released when id was first party and this is just an upgrade patch.

Series S owners will be getting the same gameplay experience, which is what Jason Ronald said, I quoted it pages and pages ago but you just ignore it and continue with your concern trolling.

Series S owners are getting either a 1440p or 120fps experience, that's pretty impressive for a £249 box, do you own a Series S or have any intention of buying one? If not why do you care enough to keep going through this argument?

I haven't seen a quote from you, last time you gave me a quote, it was for a totally different game and even a different studio from the one we were talking about. Quite a feat.

Do you and DarkMage619 have a weird arrangement where both attempt to jump on anyone who disagrees with one or the other? Including disconcenting experts... or any contrary facts?

 

[DarkMage619]

Where did Microsoft say all Series S games will have Ray Tracing?

And why is this important to you?

Doom Eternal was not released when id was first party and this is just an upgrade patch.

Series S owners will be getting the same gameplay experience, which is what Jason Ronald said, I quoted it pages and pages ago but you just ignore it and continue with your concern trolling.

Series S owners are getting either a 1440p or 120fps experience, that's pretty impressive for a £249 box, do you own a Series S or have any intention of buying one? If not why do you care enough to keep going through this argument?

Thank you for addressing this nonsense. It's so sad to see more disingenuous statements like 'ID is a first party so why doesn't the XSS have raytracing in Doom?' Totally ignoring that they were not a first party when Doom Eternal came out. Also quite convenient when games were mentioned that have raytacing on the XSS yet the conclusion? XSS is 'struggling' with raytracing. It's so transparent people have agendas. For the record if anyone here actually has a legitimate question about the XSS would you be willing to answer it Riky ? It would be cool since so many people don't seem to have a clue about the device.

 

[JackMcGunns]

OMG, Series S pissed in my Cheerios and kills babies!

 

[dcmk7]

Thank you for addressing this nonsense. It's so sad to see more disingenuous statements like 'ID is a first party so why doesn't the XSS have raytracing in Doom?' Totally ignoring that they were not a first party when Doom Eternal came out. Also quite convenient when games were mentioned that have raytacing on the XSS yet the conclusion? XSS is 'struggling' with raytracing. It's so transparent people have agendas. For the record if anyone here actually has a legitimate question about the XSS would you be willing to answer it Riky ? It would be cool since so many people don't seem to have a clue about the device.

Since when do technical specs have agendas?

You outright said one time you had no sympathy for developers who complain.. because they didn't contact MS support. An absurdly ignorant claim, considering had no idea what they did or didn't do.

It's been predicted by people the XSS will struggle as generation goes on, it's kind of interesting that a last gen title cant be given raytracing, even limited.

It doesn't seem like the same next gen experience, as was promised.

But, hopefully one day, you will see that you gave an unfairly hard time to the developers who complained.

Maybe a more tolerant attitude from a few around here will bring more people like D dark10x back.

 

[Riky]

I haven't seen a quote from you, last time you gave me a quote, it was for a totally different game and even a different studio from the one we were talking about. Quite a feat.

Do you and DarkMage619 have a weird arrangement where both attempt to jump on anyone who disagrees with one or the other? Including disconcenting experts... or any contrary facts?

It's only one page back, I'm sure you'll manage to find it.

 

[Riky]

Thank you for addressing this nonsense. It's so sad to see more disingenuous statements like 'ID is a first party so why doesn't the XSS have raytracing in Doom?' Totally ignoring that they were not a first party when Doom Eternal came out. Also quite convenient when games were mentioned that have raytacing on the XSS yet the conclusion? XSS is 'struggling' with raytracing. It's so transparent people have agendas. For the record if anyone here actually has a legitimate question about the XSS would you be willing to answer it Riky ? It would be cool since so many people don't seem to have a clue about the device.

They are just concern trolling, it's always when the Series X comes out on top then they need a coping mechanism.

If anyone genuinely has a question about Series S then by all means message me, some people have and I'm honest with them.