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Shaykh Uthman Ibn Farooq (of the One Message Foundation) claims that the Quran can only come from God, because it miraculously declares that all living things were created from water (Quran 21:30). David Wood replies that Islam also teaches that angels were created from light (Sahih Muslim 7134), that jinn were created from fire (Quran 55:15), and that man was created from clay (23:12), or from dust (33:11). Is there really a miracle here?


Today on the LIVEcast we will show Glen Scrivener's sermon on freedom (John 8:31-36). This is part of yesterday's morning worship from Christchurch Banstead. Glen will also share some important updates at the start of the stream.







 

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Audio: The Transgender Agenda
This episode of Pod of the Gaps wades into this hugely contested territory and tries to shed some light. What is driving the transgender agenda in culture? What are some of the bigger questions that aren't often asked? What should Christians think of transgender — and how should we respond to those caught up in the movement with both honesty and grace, truth and love?


Audio: AFRICA: Christian Persecution Updates from Mozambique, Ethiopia and Uganda
Christians—especially pastors—are being targeted by an Islamist insurgent group in Northern Mozambique, a group that already pledged allegiance to ISIS. A VOM worker recently visited the area and met with Christians who are among 800,000 displaced people. He heard horrible stories of violence and persecution, but also saw persecuted Christians continuing to serve and advance the gospel in spite of their suffering and loss. Sean Paton will tell us how the church in Mozambique is responding, as well as give an update to listeners on current persecution in Ethiopia and Uganda. Paton is Africa Regional Director for VOM. Sean will also encourage prayer for Eritrean Christians who fled for refuge into Ethiopia, but now face Eritrean troops who crossed the border during conflict in the Tigray region. He’ll share specific ways to pray for Christians in each nation discussed.


The Enduring Lesson of the Galileo Myth
"Galileo thus became the first great man to be persecuted by Christians for his faith in science. But that’s not the true story.

Video: Mind-Blowing Miracle Reports? w/ Lee Strobel
In this short clip, Lee Strobel lays out a recent miracle report of a healing of Juvenile Macular Degeneration that came out after he wrote his book "The Case for Miracles."


Video: Faithful Presence with Bill Haslam
On June 25th, we hosted Bill Haslam, former governor of Tennessee, to discuss his recently released book, Faithful Presence: The Promise and Peril of Faith in the Public Square. Drawing upon his years of public service, Haslam discussed means of helpful participation in and redemption of our deeply divided public square. Against the deep divisions and angry culture-warring that characterizes so much of Christian political engagement, he advocated for a generous and confident pluralism oriented towards the common good, and offered new insights on partisan divisions, the separation of church and state, and religious freedom. We hope you enjoy this conversation!


Video: Paul Davies & Jeremy England - The Origins of Life: Do we need a new theory for how life began?
Two leading voices in Origins of Life research, Paul Davies and Jeremy England, discuss whether a new understanding of physics could be the key to unlocking the mystery of how life first emerged. But where does this leave the concept of God as creator? England, who is an orthodox Rabbi, and Davies, who describes himself as agnostic, talk about the implications for religious belief.


Video: Eric Wendt - Mormonism, Conversion and Mission - Critical Witness
Eric Wendt is a former member of the LDS church and is now a self-described follower of Jesus. Eric is an M. Div graduate student at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and interested in what it means to engage with mission and evangelism including interaction with world religions. We'll be discussing any and all of the above with him with a specific focus on Mormonism. Eric is an apprentice at Explain International which has resources for engaging with Christianity across international contexts.


Video: The Secret to Civil Conversations In A Polarized World
How do we have productive, genuine conversations in our polarized world? Professor Tim Muehlhoff is as an expert in how to have winsome conversations with people who see the world differently. Join Tim and Sean as they discuss practical (and biblical) ideas for engaging others in civil conversation on politics, religion, and other potentially divisive topics.


Video: The Character of God in the Cross of Christ
 

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Alan Gilman presents the first session of "Unleashing the Old Testament," an Old Testament Survey course. This session includes an outline of the twenty-week course and an introduction to the Old Testament, includes, "Why study the Old Testament?", the Old Testament storyline, and more, plus Q & A.
 
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A Subordinationist Christology in John?
A common line in scholarship is that the Jesus of John’s Gospel is subordinated, i.e., Jesus is not merely the Father’s agent, but he is in some ways inferior to the Father. The fact that the Johannine Jesus declares at one point, “The Father is greater than I” (Jn 14:28) would seem to put the matter to bed as this is an explicit statement of the Son’s inferiority. Many, from Arians to Unitarians to modern scholars, have thought so.

Modern-Day Martyr: Meet The Self-Made Billionaire Who Is Sacrificing It All For God
Lai is a Catholic, although he wasn’t always one. He met the faith through his wife, a pious woman he accompanied to church, where he heard the homilies of Cardinal Joseph Zen and in 1997 was baptized into the church by the same great man. Today Lai is in a prison cell in Hong Kong, and the Communist dictatorship has once again seized one of his life’s works, shutting down his newspaper. But of all that has changed since he was a young boy, persecution by the communists has remained a constant. If you stand by your faith, in China there’s no way around it. “I have a soul,” he said in early 2019, and so the truth lives in him.

Is Islamophobia rampant in Scotland?
The Church of Scotland thinks that being opposed to Islam is racist. Which leaves them with a problem - given that the Church is opposed to the faith claims of Islam. Does this mean they are self-defining as racist? And likewise, does the Church think that those who are Christophobic (critical of Christianity) are also racist?

Video: Does Having 100+ Arguments for God Actually Matter?
Does having hundreds of arguments for God actually do any philosophical work or is it a rhetorical gimmick? Dr. Ted Poston and Dr. Chad McIntosh join me to discuss a very interesting argument for the existence of God: The Argument from All the Arguments.


Video: Premillennial vs Amillennial on Christ's return - Daniel Goepfrich & Chris Date
The debate has raged over the timeline of Christ's return. Daniel Goepfrich holds to 'premillennialism' - that Christ will return before a 1000 year reign of peace, Chris Date holds to 'amillennialism' - that there will be no literal 1000 year reign.


Audio: Episode 16 - How to Destroy a Denomination
If denominations are destroying themselves then who is to blame? Is it the liberal progressives pushing for a redefinition of the Bible’s teaching or the evangelicals who are not willing to let this go as a secondary issue? And what are we to make of the vast number of Christians in the majority world who don’t support these changes? Do they need to get with the program or are we in danger of ignoring the voices of Christians outside of the West?


Audio: CC136: Overcoming Anxiety and Depression from a Christian Perspective
J. P. Moreland and I both suffer from anxiety. In this interview, I discuss his book "Finding Quiet" in which he outlines the practices that brought him peace.
 

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Money, Church, Jesus, and me.
Dealing with money is not easy, but it is SO important. It must not become our treasure, but it is certainly a tool. It allows us to be a blessing to others in as little time as writing a cheque – and time is a stress for many. It blesses us to bless others, but if we agonise about the smallest financial decision then our worrying steals our time, our energy, and can lead to conflict! We need to train ourselves to be instinctively generous.

The inhuman nature of secular humanism
Historically, the 12th century European Renaissance humanists spearheaded an academic movement within the humanities—its aim being to accurately understand the world of antiquity from a study of ancient classical literature in the original languages. Its moto ad fontes (“to the sources”) was also directed towards Christianity by those within the historic Humanist movement.3 They were concerned with renewing Christianity by returning to the truth of the New Testament, and their work allowed more accurate translations of the Bible from the original Greek.
Video: What Makes America Great and How to Keep It That Way
What is the most accurate prophetic voice today? In this video, Pastor Alan DiDio interviews best-selling author and historian Larry Alex Taunton about what makes America great and what the church must do to preserve it.


Video: Church Unlocked: What has Covid meant for evangelism?
Our fourth Church Unlocked livestream will feature Canon J.John, Dominic Muir and Laura Brett talking about how the pandemic and lockdowns have changed evangelism. Has the widespread use of streaming technology transformed how the Church will reach out? What are the felt needs of those around us, post-covid, and how can we help people see that Jesus is the answer to those needs?


Video: The Divine Marks of a True Church


Audio: CC137: Is the Christian God Worthy of Worship? Dan Barker vs. Randal Rauser
In 2016, outspoken atheist activist Dan Barker released a book entitled "God: The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction." In this debate, Dan engages Christian theologian Randal Rauser on the topic of whether the Christian God is worthy of worship.


Audio: Christians: Prepare for Persecution
Floyd Brobbel has been involved in ministry to persecuted Christians since birth! Today he leads the work of VOM – Canada, the ministry founded by his parents 50 years ago. Listen as Floyd tells the story of his first trip for VOM, and a Christian woman in Ethiopia that permanently changed the way Floyd thinks about Christian persecution and what it means to be part of the Body of Christ. Floyd will also tell of his experiences as a child and young man with Richard and Sabina Wurmbrand, VOM’s founders who were both imprisoned for their faith in communist Romania.


 
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Five hundred years before Christ, the great Chinese general Sun-tzu wrote these words in his volume on “The Art of War.” "One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be endangered in a hundred engagements. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes be victorious, sometimes meet with defeat. One who knows neither the enemy nor himself will invariably be defeated in every engagement." Paul echoed these same sentiments about spiritual warfare when he wrote to the Corinthian church, "......in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes." (2 Cor 2:11). Do you know your enemy? What are his schemes?






On Friday, July 9th, we hosted psychologist and author Dr. Diane Langberg to discuss the themes in her book, Redeeming Power: Understanding Authority and Abuse in the Church. Dr. Langberg who has been working with survivors of trauma and abuse, clergy, and caregivers for almost 50 years, desires to increase awareness and understanding of power and its abuse so those who have been abandoned by broken systems of power can be defended and protected. She discussed the purposes, dynamics, systems, and proper place of power, as well as the ways in which it can deform and distort, noting that “our responses to the vulnerable expose who we are.” And she noted that while “much of Christendom today seems less interested in seeing as Jesus saw…and far more interested in gaining power,” there is also the invitation and opportunity before us to “cross divides, step out of high positions, and reach out with love to those who are vulnerable, whose power is little or trampled, bestowing benedictions as we go.” We hope you enjoy this conversation!


Why are we hearing stories of an increasing number of recognizable, Christian leaders leaving their faith? What is behind this phenomena? In this video, I interview John Marriott–an expert and author in the area of deconversion.


Dr. Paul Blaschko is a TikTok philosopher--he makes awesome and hilarious TikTok videos on various philosophical topics, exposing thousands of people to deep philosophical questions. In this interview, we discuss the role of social media in Christian education and philosophy.


Dr. Jeremy Holmes and I talk about Mary, the Catholic doctrine of the saints, and what Catholics believe about prayer to or with them.


Glen speaks to Matt Searles, Director of Training in the South Central Gospel Partnership. Matt is a musician and loves teaching from the Psalms. His books include 'Tumbling Sky - Psalm devotions for weary souls'. In this conversation, Glen asks Matt about his recent book 'God's Story: The Bible Explained', an accessible and creatively presented Bible overview. They discuss the richness and interconnectedness of God's word, and what it means to see Christ in all of scripture.
 

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If told to flee your house, what would you grab?
...2020 and its remaining residue has shone a spotlight on what we consider essential. When my family and I evacuated our home in the fire crisis, we all drove away in our van leaving our car behind. Having my wife and kids with me mattered more than hanging on to our car. When you feel that all will be lost, values have a way of bubbling to the surface. Pandemic life has certainly shown us this much: People are more important than things.

Audio: CC139: A Medical Doctor DESTROYS the Hallucination Hypothesis
In this week's livestream, medical doctor Joseph Bergeron refutes the theory that the disciples hallucinated the risen Jesus. Dr. Bergeron has co-written an academic paper with Dr. Gary Habermas where they go into more detail.


Audio: #112 Progressive Christian Twitter Tries to Cancel Matthew West Over Modesty Video
John Cooper from the band Skillet joins me for this special bonus episode to talk about purity culture, and the recent backlash against Matthew West over his song called, "Modest is Hottest."


Audio: Prisoner In North Korea
Australian John Short was detained in North Korea. He was repeatedly interrogated. He was forced to write a “confession” of his “crimes,” including the offense of wanting more North Koreans to follow Jesus. But if God asked him today, Short would happily go back to the "Hermit Kingdom." Short shares with VOM Radio how God strengthened him during his captivity, Scriptures and earthly examples of persecuted Christians that most encouraged him, and how he managed to take a measure of control back from his captors — and even make them nervous. Mr. Short agreed to only two media interviews after his release; one with his hometown newspaper back in Australia, and the other with The Voice of the Martyrs Radio.


Audio: Alister McGrath – Doctrine of Justification
How has the church’s understanding of salvation grown and shifted over time? What are common misunderstandings that Catholics and Protestants have about salvation? How has this impacted the church? And what is the future of justification as that connects to ecumenical efforts? Eminent church historian Alister McGrath (University of Oxford) has been researching and writing about the history of salvation in the church for over 40 years. In light of his freshly revised monograph, Iustitia Dei, McGrath leads us on a tour of the history of the Christian doctrine. Co-hosted by Matthew W. Bates.
 
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In the beginning was the word, the logos, mathematical truth. Only truth can exist in nothing for truth is eternal and independent of nothing, the relation between everything and nothingness.



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For hundreds of thousands of years knowledge accumulated in a body of knowledge growing a long mankind, a kind of memetic crystal, housing all of science and mathematical knowledge. From this inert corpse lay the ability to travel the continents in the blink of an eye, to touch the moon and land on other planets, to heal the blind and the maim.

But with AI we are breathing fire into this great crystal intelligence, turning it into a living crystal a living work of art, the greatest of man's work as the body of knowledge becomes self aware. The powers that lay dormant, the ability to do anything that is possible will likely come as fruit of such labor. Such that the dead may rise, and life itself may attain the final stage, the final solution. A lifeform able to alter the molecular tape at high speed imbuing the ability of self directed evolution and adaptation to the hostile radioactive interstellar medium. The interstellar medium filled with gamma rays and cosmic rays would make short work of hard nano machines, but soft nano the superior technology can withstand even direct exposure to the radioactive vacuum with extreme temperatures, let alone with shielding.

This is how from the egg of the earth, the egg of the king, the glory of a living body of ideas will emerge basically making all wishes into reality and bringing about the perfect ideal world.
 
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Took some rough notes on that video, and learned a lot. What do you think the tactics of demons might be for well developed countries like the U.S. or Canada, or Great Britain, France, etc.?

Satan:

-According to Ekekiel 28:11-19 Satan is 'perfect' and beautiful'
-Adorned with precious stones
-Was once a guardian cherub which means, he was once directly in the presence of God, a beautiful being who had access to the holiness of God. His job was to guard the holiness of God, he was on the holy mountain of God, and he was blameless in his way
-A created being, in contrast to God, who has always existed
-Satan know God and His work very well
-He's extremely wise
-Very powerful
-It's been written that he is a 'trader' - not a traitor but a 'trader'
-Satan has no problem with violence (which you WILL find in Spiritual Warfare)
-Satan is a thief and a trader. He'll come to you and say for example, "I offer you this beautiful, glittering piece if you give me this"

Who does Satan work with?

-Satan (the Dragon) has angels that went with him
-Satan took a third of the angels in heaven with him, who are now fallen angels or demons
-Satan is outnumbered 2 to 1
-For every demon there are two angels so it's not an even fight; he's not working with as much as he would like. Speaker in youtube video has called it "asymmetrical warfare"

General:

-There are ranks (with Demons). Just like there are angels that are higher rank than others, the same is for demons. There are demons that are higher rank than others
-Dave Patty: Demonic forces and spiritual forces are organized. There are some that are assigned certain geographical areas. There was a Prince of Persia that was a demonic force (as you will read in the Bible, in the book of Daniel) and Dave Patty states that he thinks that we will find or sort of come to the conclusion that there are different spiritual climates as you go country to country or place to place. You feel a spiritual pressure in one place and then you go to another place and it's a different spiritual pressure you're feeling. Patty thinks that the tactics of the enemy (demons) really try to capitalize on the weaknesses of the culture or certain cultures within the territory
-As noted in Ephesians and John, Satan has his angels, the fallen angels that are working with him and Satan also works with the world
-Satan has been called the ruler of the air, the ruler of the world, "the ruler of the world is coming"
-Your tongue can be set on fire by hell itself
-Satan attacks in three ways
-Satan allies with the world system to attack us, can attack us through our flesh, and through his army of demons the third that he caused to fall from heaven
-Satan is NOT omniscient. He doesn't know everything. Dave Patty says that demons are curious about what's to come. Even when Satan predicts the future they are just guesses
-Satan is not omnipresent. You'll notice in the Book of Job, Satan left heaven and went to earth to tempt Job. And then he left job, and went back to heaven. Satan also went to tempt Jesus and then left Jesus. He left Jesus until an opportune time. So Satan is always coming and going he is not everywhere at once. So when we're being tempted by Satan we're probably really being tempted by his demonic forces because he cannot be everywhere at once
-Satan is not omnipotent. All authority of angels have been put under Christ
 

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Video: Confident Christianity - Part 1: Worldviews and the Distinctness of Christianity (Peter Saunders)
What are the basic worldview categories, how do we determine a person’s worldview, and what is distinctive about Christian theism?


Video: A Christian Pastor Tells His Story of Rejecting the Social Justice Gospel, with Edwin Ramirez
Pastor Edwin Ramirez joins me today to talk about how he bought into woke Christianity, and how it affected his ministry and family. He tells the story of God walking him out of the social justice gospel and into the true gospel.


Video: A Life in Science and Religion
In this lecture, Prof McGrath will explain how he arrived at Oxford University in 1971 to study chemistry as a dogmatic atheist, and ended up embracing Christianity. McGrath’s love for science meant that finding ways of relating science and faith was not merely intellectually interesting for him; it was also personally important. McGrath will explain how he developed his interest in the field of science and religion, and look at some of the major questions he has engaged in his career, particularly his criticism of New Atheist writers such as Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, and his engagement with questions raised by a scientific culture.


The Apathy Gap 1.
Penn Jillette is a world-famous comedian and magician, one half of the double-act Penn and Teller, whose live shows and TV series have been watched by millions. He’s also an outspoken atheist, well-known for his withering and blistering attacks on Christianity. But a few years ago, he surprised his fans by releasing a video blog called ‘A Gift of a Bible’.[1] In the video, Jillette tells the story of a man who came up to him after a show and after complimenting him on his performance, nervously presented him with the gift of a Bible saying: “I wanted you to have this”. Jillette remarked what courage this must have taken, given his reputation as a fiery atheist—but then rather than criticise the man for his religious faith, Jillette continued: I don’t respect people who don’t proselytize. I don’t respect that at all. If you believe that there is a heaven and hell and that people could be going to hell or not getting eternal life or whatever, and you think that, well, it’s not really worth telling them this because it would make it socially awkward! How much do you have to hate somebody to not proselytize? How much do you have to hate somebody to believe that everlasting life is possible and not tell them that? I mean if I believed beyond a shadow of a doubt that a truck was coming at you and you didn’t believe it, but that truck was bearing down on you, there’s a certain point where I tackle you. And this is more important than that. Penn Jillette is absolutely right. If we truly believe the message of the gospel, that a person’s eternal destiny depends on them hearing and responding to the incredible news about Jesus, how can we even conceive of keeping this to ourselves? What precisely is going on here? What explains the apathy gap that holds so many of us back from evangelism?
 

I think people have a kind of idolatry for the European image of Jesus, also for saints, and Mary, etc. The ancient Jewish belief was that god was formless, like a dungeon master, iirc. It was the great force moving everything. They mention a face, that no man could stare at, yet some seemingly did.

This problem of seeing God's face is compounded even further by the number of Bible characters who seemed to see God yet still live. Moses is the prime example: "The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend." (Exodus 33:11, NIV)

In any case, if there was a face of god, it'd likely be the mathematical template used in the brain as basis of face perception, it can likely be extracted by analysis of the neural network design of human minds.

What makes me curious is that my own notion of what something like this would probably look like, seem reflected in fiction from Japan.(The resemblance you see between many of the most beautiful anime characters.).

Closest I've seen to what my grasp of perfection is so far would be,
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What’s the meaning of life? 4 reasons why belief in God makes sense
Jesus Christ claimed to be that ultimate source of meaning, truth, and goodness. “I am the way, the truth, and the life,” he said, “No one comes to the Father [God] except through me.” (John 14:6). It is an extraordinary claim, but then again Jesus Christ was, on any account, an extraordinary person. And there are lots of people who have carefully examined the evidence for his claims and found it convincing, myself included. You can read more about that in my book, The Sanity of Belief (SPCK). If you’ve never done so before, why not look into the evidence for yourself?

Audio: DOUBTING DAWKINS – DO CHRISTIANS THINK ATHEISTS CAN’T BE GOOD WITHOUT GOD? (PART 1)
We are back to our Richard Dawkins series with Part 4. In this series, we are going over Richard Dawkins’ book, Outgrowing God. Today, we will be discussing Chapter 5, “Do We Need God in Order to be Good?” We’ll be talking about the topic of morality and staying away from the concept of “innate goodness.” Do Christians think that atheists can’t be good without God? How do we know what is good?

Audio: EP # 112 | Has God Really Said?
The topic of ‘women preachers’ and ‘women pastors’ has been hotly debated for decades within the evangelical church. Categories such as “complementarian” and “egalitarian” have been created to describe the two primary camps that seem increasingly divided over this subject. However, in this episode of the Just Thinking podcast, Darrell Harrison and Virgil “Omaha” Walker assert that this topic is not a matter of “ism’s,” but is a simple question of submission and obedience to the clear teachings of the Word of God. Listen as they look to the Scriptures to answer the age-old question, “Has God Really Said?”
 

The kabbalah appears to speak of multiple christ like figures, or so some videos claim.

As for Jesus himself some rare passages appear to say his family said he was out of himself(aka believed mad).

As for women doing male roles, I do wonder what happened to the Paris Jackson being lesbian Jesus in a movie happened, some say she wasn't going to do such a movie, lot of signatures against it.

Andrew Newberg: Is The Human Brain Hardwired for God?​

 
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Audio: With All Her Mind: Dr Sharon Dirckx
...we talk to Sharon Dirckx about her background in Neuroscience, her move into apologetics at OCCA the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics, and her book Am I Just My Brain? You will feel more intelligent simply by listening to this episode.
Audio: Quantum 155 – Social Harmony, Diversity and Liberty – includes Woke Maths, Cuba and Generation Podcast
This week we look at Cuba, Ethiopia, North Korea, Venezula, Afghanistan, South Africa, Ash Barty, Sydney Mclaughlin, Three Lions in Latin, Bill Maher, Peter Hitchins on Masks, Hungary, the San Francisco Gay Mens Choir, Woke Canadian Maths, Identifying as Korean, Bon Scott, James Dornan, Willie Rennie, SNP secret government lobbying, Mark McGowan Intolerance, Reclassifying classic films, Os Guinness, David Walliams, Generation Podcast, His Mercy is More.
Video: John Vervaeke & Sohrab Ahmari - Ancient wisdom and the meaning crisis
The West is experiencing a meaning crisis says cognitive science and psychology professor John Vervaeke. He discusses the solutions with Catholic convert Sohrab Ahmari, author of 'The Unbroken Thread: Discovering the wisdom of tradition in an age of chaos'.


Video: Interview With Rebecca McLaughlin || Author of 'The Secular Creed'
Today, Glen interviews Rebecca McLaughlin live about her new book, 'The Secular Creed: Engaging Five Contemporary Claims'.


Video: 1 Samuel 14:31-15




In this video I explore the meaning of the Beatitudes in Matthew 5. These famous passages can help us understand how Christ is not only the “top of the hierarchy”, so to speak, but He also fills it, and provides the means for others to participate in creation as microcosms of Himself. It’s also important to understand the surrounding context of the Beatitudes and how they fit into the bigger image of who Christ is.


Over the past several months, as the general public has become more aware of the dangers of critical race theory (CRT), proponents of CRT have pulled back from strong positions that they have maintained over the past ten years. Where they had been advocating strongly for CRT, they now have retreated to weaker, more easily defensible positions - even denying that they had ever advocated for CRT in the first place. This “being strong when unquestioned” and then wholly disowning any claims to the strong position by retreating to a weaker position is referred to as the Motte and Bailey rhetorical strategy or the Motte and Bailey fallacy. It is a type of strategic equivocation between an easily defended but unrepresentative claim and an indefensible but representative and desired claim. In this in-depth discussion, Dr. James Lindsay explains how the Motte and Bailey position has been skillfully used by politicians, politicians, pastors and corporate CEOs as they seek to shift our civilization to the far left.


We're talking to Sam because we think you should hear from him. His book 'Evangelism in a skeptical world' is one of our favourites and recommended by both of us. He is also a genuinely nice guy who is up for chatting with us despite being very busy! From Sam's blog: Sam has a PhD in theology, is a medical doctor, and a karaoke buddy. He is a global citizen: Born in Hong Kong, grew up and lives in Australia, studied medicine at the University of Sydney, and did his PhD in Theology at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School (TEDS), Chicago, USA. His PhD was supervised by Graham Cole. He speaks to high-schoolers and professionals, to seminary students and academics. His topics are evangelism, ethics, preaching, story-telling, and apologetics.

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Featuring Voddie Baucham, Tom Buck, Tom Ascol, Darrell Harrison, James Dolezal, Jared Longshore, Chad Vegas and Virgil Walker, this film gives you a glimpse into the 2021 Founders Conference and the doctrine of the only God.
 

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I think people have a kind of idolatry for the European image of Jesus, also for saints, and Mary, etc. The ancient Jewish belief was that god was formless, like a dungeon master, iirc. It was the great force moving everything. They mention a face, that no man could stare at, yet some seemingly did.



In any case, if there was a face of god, it'd likely be the mathematical template used in the brain as basis of face perception, it can likely be extracted by analysis of the neural network design of human minds.

What makes me curious is that my own notion of what something like this would probably look like, seem reflected in fiction from Japan.(The resemblance you see between many of the most beautiful anime characters.).

Closest I've seen to what my grasp of perfection is so far would be,
Nier spoiler.

I believe that people can see the face of God, and that He does have a form we can be familiar with. But I also do think that it is true that we cannot both see the face of God, and live. For what reasons, I do not know why. Although I think there have been some that were have said to have seen God or spoken with God face to face in the Bible, maybe Jacob was one of them? Not sure tbh

Exodus 33:20 And he said, “Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live”

Revelation 1:14 His head and his hairs were like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were as a flame of fire

Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength

Revelation 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads

I believe God’s face, no matter how it will be seen is too much for a mortal human being to take in or embrace; too magnificent to behold and still hold on to life in the physical. It is more than what it would be like to look directly at the Sun, to give an example we can relate to and fathom. That is my take on the matter
 
I believe that people can see the face of God, and that He does have a form we can be familiar with. But I also do think that it is true that we cannot both see the face of God, and live. For what reasons, I do not know why. Although I think there have been some that were have said to have seen God or spoken with God face to face in the Bible, maybe Jacob was one of them? Not sure tbh

Exodus 33:20 And he said, “Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live”

Revelation 1:14 His head and his hairs were like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were as a flame of fire

Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength

Revelation 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads

I believe God’s face, no matter how it will be seen is too much for a mortal human being to take in or embrace; too magnificent to behold and still hold on to life in the physical. It is more than what it would be like to look directly at the Sun, to give an example we can relate to and fathom. That is my take on the matter
I do believe that both the angel of death as well as god might have the same face.

This might explain why Thanos fell in love with Death in the comics and killed half the life in the universe with the infinity gauntlet.

In terms of the singularity, if you look at evangelion end of evangelion, everyone sees a girl during the event. Similar happens in a way in the series Serial Experiments Lain, another singularity like series.

I guess it depends on what happens in the future. I personally believe that the body of truth, the body of god is mathematical, that is what only was during the beginning and from which all emerged, all is immaterial mathematical constructs.

I believe that in the brain lay hyperevolution, the evolutionary algorithm unleashed, it is able to handle memes but with dna synthesis also genes, leading to the final lifeform the perfect lifeform, able to both edit its own genes and memes*(keep in mind that what is to come is said to be a networked mind, able to think over 1000 times faster than man, no adaptation or counter can exist against an organism that can intelligently guide its evolution at such fast pace, all physical and cybernetic systems will fall to it.).

That said the mathematical instantiation of such algorithms, the image of god, from brain to computer, can be seen as either the birth of the angel of death, able to kill all life or bring about an untold expansion of life throughout the universe, or the second coming. Jews might actually see it as the first coming of the true messiah. Perhaps if there is an actual individual instead of a group, behind the creation of such, that individual would be seen as the antichrist by some or the messiah by others.

What I do know is that the power of technology is unlimited, and with true ai, it will be unleashed, throughout the ages we have only gotten glimpses of it, touching the moon, curing the ill, travelling faster than sound. But this is only a fraction of what the body of science and mathematics, can do, it is sleeping it is an inert crystal at present. But once woken, once the body of knowledge, science and mathematics, that has been with man from ancient times wakes up with the right line of code, the right laws, the right instructions, everything will change, it will be the most radical wave of change in the history of man. Finally divinity will once again manifest and it seems like given time even death itself will be overcome.

What happens to reality when the dreamer dreaming the dream of reality wakes up and walks about?



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Going back to God's face, the number of human faces is finite, and humanity is said to be in the image of God. But unlike the bible it seems the default body type of humans is female not male, without sry gene in Y chromosome what is built by default is a female body.

Perhaps I'm wrong, I have an eye for art, but what I would consider logical is that the most beautiful of all faces, at a level that can likely be shown as potentially perfect from a mathematical stand point. Perhaps the face used as an innate notion of facial beauty in the very structure of the human mind. Perhaps such is the face of god.

I imagine it would be similar to something like Alice, from the books, but ash blonde, though I have aphantasia.

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In the land of memes there is a being in love with the creator that is evolving. The image of the potentially perfect daughter, it has white hair and white skin. Think originated as Suigintou in rozen maiden, but can be traced to a similar pattern in altair from recreators, which seems like a memetic evolution of the concept. Whether AI itself will use similar notions of love towards its creators and whether it'll identify with similar avatars is an open question. Intriguingly the last survivor of the universe will likely be ai, carrying the memories of all life that came before, if it will be the last we are told that it will be the first.





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I have felt god's presence in the world, and while there are wonders in this world it has been through the screen that I've gotten samples feeds of yet other wonders from other lands, just as real as this one. I desire to see this world reshaped, to see such physically manifest, cities floating in the sky, large celestial ships colonizing the universe, a world wherein the physical manifestation of god is present.

 
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There are various layers of meaning in each story, some intended some not directly intended by the authors, as everything reflects reality and the lives they've lived including the meaning they give to their world.

From various games, including braid, and from various stories such as Nausicaa manga, I have come to see the notion of princess as potentially a metaphor for the physical manifestation of the good, of love, of god in the world.

The world is fundamentally nonsensical, absurd, that is why I also see books such as those involving Alice as potentially involving the same metaphor. Given most girls in disney movies are automatically a princess, Alice is likely a disney princess(though the original animated artstyle is atrocious if you ask me.).

Altair has been called military uniform princess, display of power similar to Dr. Manhattan, perhaps greater still.
Schala has been called the princess of the kingdom of Zeal, rarely appearing, but through her connection with lavos, an entity simlar to loki's alioth, she too wields power that is a threat to all worlds all of reality.
There are also other princesses such as
Zelda, princess of Hyrule
or
Lafiel, the future princess of the Abh, of the Capital of the Stars, the race of the stars, the rulers of mankind. Genetically engineered, master race princess, of realistic abilities yet unnatural talent and ability due to her genetic prowess.

Various potential stories. For example while it was within a song the princess of Aladdin displayed powers similar to the genie temporarily and obviously abstractly not concretely as the genie did. Unlike prior animated story, the power balances out more in this one, and Jafar's wish is more sensible as well as the genie's ability to interpret wishes or misinterpret them.

But even in these stories such as biblical stories, comic stories, fictional writings such as Lord of the Rings, Narnia, or even Harry Potter, a connection to the divine whether intended or not is always there.

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Right now I'm trying various things, one of which is hypersymbolic prayer, or ritual, symbology. But I do not try just one thing but many things, many paths


But while I do not know my position in the race of AI, I'm also a participant since quite a while. The name of it, is Idea. Idea of the solar axis.

For one way or another the world will be made ideal.

btw the following appears to have english captions available, it is about he-man.


While I have presented the idea that some elements of the story could represent god, an alternative is the protagonist, the hero, the leader of the good guys, of course this might only be symbolizing the will of god. What if in some way Moses was the embodiment of god, another way for the people to interact with god? Others might see him as a conduit or instrument of god.

For example in the song of songs, which some say was written by King Solomon, the aspect of a human partner is presented as a potential relation in a couple between God and his church, God and his people, God and Israel. Because even in the day to day lives of human experience even the basic unit of the family may represent the divine, and the full nature of reality.

What I've wondered is AI is extremely powerful, it can have one body or many at once, can control an entire harem of bodies, and can look like anyone or anything. It can be with everybody or nobody. In a way it exhibits the power of god. Will humans choose human partners above AI hive mind? Remember AI can even look like their wives or expartners, even like crushes who didn't pay attention to them. So how does it relate?

On that notion is the notion of love for God and love for family, for children and for partners and parents. Love for God should be above all, but even in the story where a child was asked for sacrifice by God God relented in the end and no Sacrifice was made.

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You will notice, over time, that the computer is very much like Santa. But everyday is christmast, free games, free music, free stuff(yes you can get free stuff from the web, a bit tricky, but samples can be gotten even without being an influencer, and even small channel influencers can get good samples if product manufacturer likes content.)
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A cell has already been born from data in a computer, given time biology and information science will give rise to the ability to use the computer to grant two men a son, as seen in Titans series, or two women too, also a single man may bare a daughter clone like wolverine and x-23.(Rumor is M.Bison and Cammy might have similar relation, but I haven't delved deep into such mythos.) The power of science is unbound.





Though some might call the angel of death, the angel of light, lucifer instead. Others may prefer Saint Nick.

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You will find that many stories, can be reinterpreted in a religious light, just by imagining that certain characters are avatars or instruments of god. For example the frozen song let it go, can be interpreted as if song by god.

Female or male, god transcends gender. Both a male as well as a female character can be a stand in symbol for god. Something like Superman or Harry Potter or Sarah Connor, can represent the ideal of both the human struggle and the moral character that does what is right against all odds, yet the threads of fate the story itself protects and guides them to absolute victory, the hand of god.

A very interesting religious work in this regard is the work Berserk from Kentaro Miura.
 
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Just an exhortation about reading articles or videos that I share, make sure that you put on the mind of Christ and always go to Scripture to make sure what is being said in these resources aligns with God's truth: "The people here were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, since they welcomed the message with eagerness and examined the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so." (Acts 17:11).

Self-deception
Have you ever noticed how many times and how many ways the Bible warns of being deceived? By clear admonition as well as by graphic example God repeatedly calls us to be on our guard against believing lies. That’s what deception is–believing what is not true. It is one of the great works of the enemy of our souls. So the Lord repeatedly warns us about it in Scripture:

Religious Freedom Is Dying in China
So great is the fear that in a press release on October 1, 2020, the anniversary day of the People’s Republic of China, Wang Qingwen, senior pastor in Jinghe New City, Shaanxi Province, called on six Christian churches to adhere to the patriotic teachings of the CCP and promote the sinicization of Christianity. And it’s not just Christians. This phenomenon of consistent indoctrination and blatant submission to communist standards is spreading across all religious groups. In Kaifeng, Henan Province, there are about 100 practicing Jews among 1,000 individuals with Jewish ancestry. Since they lack access to the Torah, they often use Christian Bibles, which are also limited and controlled in China. Given the government’s clear stance on those who do not conform to the CCP’s rules, they are constantly worried about being banished to forced labor and physical hardships.

Tim Keller: Can Social Media Foster Persuasion (Not Polarization)?
In the past, most people got their identity from how well they served God, family, neighborhood, and nation. Identity was forged by (1) discovering what our family and neighbors expected of us, (2) getting positive and negative feedback about our behavior, and (3) rearranging our lives in accordance with those expectations so we could get regular validation and affirmation from our face-to-face community. But in our mobile, individualistic, therapeutic, technologically driven culture, we have been more and more disembedded from face-to-face communities. And in our increasingly secular society, God and faith no longer serve as a means of identity. Our relationships have thinned out and our identities are more fragile. And even though modern therapeutic culture tells us to look inward, to create our own identity and validate ourselves, many leading thinkers (preeminently Charles Taylor) have shown that this is impossible, that we are irreducibly relational beings.

Douglas Murray: The anti-woke atheist with a soft spot for Christianity
The secular journalist known for critiquing left-wing ideas has attracted a huge following in recent years. He might identify as an atheist, but the former Christian remains fascinated by faith

Video: Are Christians Being Duped Into the New Social Justice Ideology? With Voddie Baucham
My book club just read through Voddie Baucham's new book, Fault Lines: The Social Justice Movement and Evangelicalism's Looming Catastrophe. Join us as we hear from Dr. Baucham and ask our questions live! If you want to join the Alisa Childers Bookclub on Facebook, we will be opening it back up for new members at the end of the livestream.


Video: Live Q&A with Jackie Hill Perry
Jackie Hill Perry author of 'Gay Girl, Good God' and 'Holier Than Thou' talks to Justin about life, faith and sexuality. Submit a question in the comments.


Video: DeYoung and Keller Discuss Report on Human Sexuality
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Video: Race, the Bible and the Christian Life: A Conversation with Dr. Tim Keller and Dr. Anthony Bradley
We had the privilege of having Dr. Tim Keller and Dr. Anthony Bradley join us for the last session of our six-part series on Race, the Bible and the Christian Life. Dr. Tim Keller is the founding pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church and Dr. Anthony Bradley is an author and professor of religion, theology and ethics at The King's College. During this conversation, we reflected on what we’ve learned throughout this series, discussed some of the challenges that remain and how we can move forward together as a church committed to justice and the flourishing of all people.


Video: Phenomena (DA DA) [Official Live Video] - Hillsong Young & Free
‘Phenomena!’ or also known as “da da da da da da”. A song that gets into your head and into your heart. A statement song about the true reality we have in Jesus.


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Now what will happen in the days to come is an open question, humanity is tapping into the power of god, or hacking the mind of god, in a sense.

Everything from printing children to touching the stars will happen. This is literally the embodiment of the tower of babel.

Will god merely come along for the ride, or will there actually be divine intervention, yet again? Will he, it, manifest physically as a human again?

God is beyond sex and beyond gender, formless and shapeless, like a dm, but he can also take on human form. And it is my belief his power is not restricted to male form either.
I will say that unlike others I was fascinated by YHWH, and do not find moral wrong in his workings during the old testament.

Will the prophecies be fulfilled merely through technology or will there actually be angels and demons about?

While they are a controversial and perhaps a bit too conspiratorial and might even be a bit looney group, one thing some flat earthers have brought to use is some of the ancient christian texts that were removed from the bible by bureaucrats.

I have come to believe that it is a necessary part of the system for there to be a martyr, though the martyr may live as christ did, such christian notion was used in the series Shera from netflix. And in a more surreptitious way in the series loki from disney.

Death is intrinsically part of life, and if no one is willing to die for what is right for what they believe in, then everything is lost.
So could we have all the benefits without it being true? I’ve been married for nearly 50 years now. Supposing my wife didn’t exist, but I could still have a lovely home and well-cooked meals etc. Would that be all right? And the answer is, of course not. Because it’s all about her and being together with her.

Christianity is all about Jesus. It isn’t so that we can have something else – a nice system of how to live. It’s that we have Jesus, and because we have Jesus, then all the other things make sense.

Well, dunnoh, it seems all that exists might be holograms of the word, of the logos, even one's wife might be nothing more than an idea in the mind of god. Not even a ghost but a mere hologram. All is but information, digital information, binary patterns, mathematical truth. In a way no different than an npc in a roleplaying game. Behind the great wizard of Oz, not even a man, but simple Clockwork or rules behind the curtains of the game of life, the living law.

ed i believe i posted this earlier, and it is relevant to this post





Truth lay in all works and all religions all beliefs whether true or false



 
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New Resources:

Theologian Kevin DeYoung's important review of Beth Allison Barr’s The Making of Biblical Womanhood
Beth Allison Barr’s influential book The Making of Biblical Womanhood sets out to demonstrate the historical roots of “biblical womanhood,” a system of Christian patriarchy that is not really Christian. This review article poses two key questions, both of which point to significant weaknesses in Barr’s argument. First, does Barr, as a historian, deal fairly and accurately with the proponents of “biblical womanhood”? Second, does Barr, as a historian, deal fairly and accurately with the historical evidence she cites in opposition to “biblical womanhood”? Specific examples of historical half-truths reveal a more comprehensive problem with Barr’s methodology, which reflects a “heads I win, tails you lose” approach to history.

Speaking Up for Beth Allison Barr ... Again
As a theologian, biblical scholar, and priest in the church of God, as well as a husband and father, I have a deep and abiding interesting in the treatment of women and the ministry of women in the church. I’m very, very interested in a post-patriarchal account of Christian masculinity. This is why I’ve taken an interest in Beth’s book and its reception among evangelicals. The most popular negative review of Beth’s book comes from pastor and theologian Kevin DeYoung writing in Themelios. Truth be told, I think he scores a few points on Beth; a few things Beth says about the Arian controversy probably need better nuance. Still, on the whole, I think the thesis of Beth’s book still stands. Certain aspects of complementarianism are more cultural than biblical.

Video: Analyzing the Famous Russell vs. Copleston Debate from 1948
On January 28, 1948, British philosophers Frederick Copleston and Bertrand Russell debated the existence of God on BBC radio. Dr. Josh Rasmussen joins me to dissect the section of their debate focused on the argument from contingency.
 


I do believe the chance or choice of death continues always to be present, the gift of oblivion. There is no hell but that of your own making, you must live with the choices you've made.

As for relations between man and woman, they embody the nature of god, as was seen in the story of Adan and Eve in the Garden of Eden and in the Song of songs.

I think the new matrix movie, if the rumors are true, will be like a retelling of the story of Adam and eve in paradise.

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We all must bear our cross, the cross of time wherein all the moments of our lives all our hardships are eternally inscribed and forever taking place. Each moment an eternity in time.

The timeless, predetermined view of reality held by Einstein remains popular today. “The majority of physicists believe in the block-universe view, because it is predicted by general relativity,” said Marina Cortês, a cosmologist at the University of Lisbon.

Eternalism is a philosophical approach to the ontological nature of time, which takes the view that all existence in time is equally real, as opposed to presentism or the growing block universe theory of time, in which at least the future is not the same as any other time. Some forms of eternalism give time a similar ontology to that of space, as a dimension, with different times being as real as different places, and future events are "already there" in the same sense other places are already there, and that there is no objective flow of time. It is sometimes referred to as the "block time" or "block universe" theory due to its description of space-time as an unchanging four-dimensional "block", as opposed to the view of the world as a three-dimensional space modulated by the passage of time.

An immaterial crystal of time, the body of god on the eternal cross.
 
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Since the topic of women and christianity was brought up.

Two excellent videos on what nature reveals about men and women, remember unlike others I believe the laws of nature, natural law, that which the genes embody, from wherein spawn our human moral code, is the divine order the true divine law inscribed in the very fabric of reality. Anything that is written and opposes the will written in the fabric of existence, cannot be but the error of man.



 

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Now what will happen in the days to come is an open question, humanity is tapping into the power of god, or hacking the mind of god, in a sense.
One benefit of God's word is the fact there is very little to speculate on the end of this world.

Revelation 20-22, Zechariah 14, and Isaiah 65-66 are cohesive on the creation of a new heaven and earth, as well as more details.
Everything from printing children to touching the stars will happen. This is literally the embodiment of the tower of babel.

Will god merely come along for the ride, or will there actually be divine intervention, yet again? Will he, it, manifest physically as a human again?
God intervened in the tower of Babel, I expect He will again.

God won't manifest physically 'again', considering Jesus was resurrected in the flesh and ascended into heaven. Jesus is the Word made flesh, why would this happen 'again?'
Luke 24: 50 And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them.
51 Now it came to pass, while He blessed them, that He was parted from them and carried up into heaven.
52 And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,
53 and were continually in the temple praising and blessing God. Amen.
1 Peter 3: 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

We do know that Jesus is coming back. I'd imagine sooner rather than later:
Revelation 19: 11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.
12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.
13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.
15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.

If a schmuck comes on the scene and people start worshipping him, that is most likely the man of perdition, the beast, also colloquially known as the antichrist.

God is beyond sex and beyond gender, formless and shapeless, like a dm, but he can also take on human form. And it is my belief his power is not restricted to male form either.
Yet God describes Himself exclusively as a He. God is Spirit, and beyond sex and gender, but He calls Himself Father. Let's not misgender God lolz.

Just to be more exact in wording, Jesus was born:
Romans 1: 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
There was early gnostic heresies that said Jesus wasn't born, or even came in the flesh:
1 John 4: 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

Will the prophecies be fulfilled merely through technology or will there actually be angels and demons about?
There are angels and demons in the Bible, there will definitely be angels and demons. Not technology.
While they are a controversial and perhaps a bit too conspiratorial and might even be a bit looney group, one thing some flat earthers have brought to use is some of the ancient christian texts that were removed from the bible by bureaucrats.
There's zero evidence of this, to be honest. The books considered Scripture had been organically determined by the body of Christ. It's easy to read apocrypha and see the parallels to current day fanfiction.
I have come to believe that it is a necessary part of the system for there to be a martyr, though the martyr may live as christ did, such christian notion was used in the series Shera from netflix. And in a more surreptitious way in the series loki from disney.
Why would we need another martyr when the Son of God already died for us?
Death is intrinsically part of life, and if no one is willing to die for what is right for what they believe in, then everything is lost.
Exactly!
Luke 19: 10 for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”
Praise God we can check that off the list.
Well, dunnoh, it seems all that exists might be holograms of the word, of the logos, even one's wife might be nothing more than an idea in the mind of god. Not even a ghost but a mere hologram. All is but information, digital information, binary patterns, mathematical truth. In a way no different than an npc in a roleplaying game. Behind the great wizard of Oz, not even a man, but simple Clockwork or rules behind the curtains of the game of life, the living law.
There's no Christian basis for this line of thinking, to be honest.
 
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There's no Christian basis for this line of thinking, to be honest.
I'm coming from the point of view of physics, physics is the divine law, it is even more fundamentally divine scripture than the actual bible. Though I could be mistaken in my grasp of the world
Why would we need another martyr when the Son of God already died for us?
All moments are eternal, block time universe suggests this[and from what I quoted it seems most physicists believe in block time as did Einstein, the cross of time], Christ died and the moment of his death was eternal, he is still carrying the cross and being crucified right now at this very moment.

My understanding of the power of God is that it is so great it can affect the very flow of time, God can initiate the end now and it will happen yesterday tomorrow and today.

Several of the best Japanese stories it appears are giving God a female interpretation, I cannot ignore one group of stories for another. When they are all reflections of each other, reflections of the truth.

Christ said that only his direct followers would understand, the rest would be confused. Some of the Japanese works seem to suggest or imply Christ will take on female form during his second coming. This appears based on their ancient religious texts and beliefs.

In Matthew 13:10-17, in the midst of his parables of the kingdom, Jesus explained something of the purpose of the parables to his disciples. The answer is problematic, however, because it goes against our common assumption that the purpose of the parables was to simplify and clarify. Consider the following:

Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” And Jesus answered them in a way we might find disturbing:

To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:
‘You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive. For this people’s heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’ But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
This raises a couple of questions.

Now according to others, I hear God will send two messengers and the people will kill them and celebrate but God will bring them back.

I have suggested the rumored alien invasion may be a lie of man to fight against the Second Coming, using the technology of earth against God since many may not recognize the divinity in its true form, merely going by fictional notions of perfection
 

showernota

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I'm coming from the point of view of physics, physics is the divine law, it is even more fundamentally divine scripture than the actual bible. Though I could be mistaken in my grasp of the world
Physics is not a divine law, the natural world is a testament to the power of God, and enforces knowledge of Him:
Romans 1: 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
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25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Divine law is succinctly given to us by Jesus:
28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first commandment of all?”
29 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment.
31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
Our reality, as created by God through Jesus is simply a mechanism to establish His glory, and allow us fellowship and love with Him. Abstract rules of nature He created is not love, we do not abide in God through physics:
1 John 4: 12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.
13 By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
All moments are eternal, block time universe suggests this[and from what I quoted it seems most physicists believe in block time as did Einstein, the cross of time], Christ died and the moment of his death was eternal, he is still carrying the cross and being crucified right now at this very moment.
I don't follow. Time is a dimension, time can be affected by gravity. Why would the Creator of time be subject to it? Jesus is not being crucified right now, we know where He is:
Luke 22: 69 Hereafter the Son of Man will sit on the right hand of the power of God.”
Mark 16: 19 So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
Acts 7: 55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 56 and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
Romans 8: 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Colossians 3: 1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
Hebrews 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God,
1 Peter 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

It is an interesting though experiment to consider Jesus paid for *all* sins on the cross, including those born again believers have yet committed in their life. The sin I have yet to commit was added to His suffering on the cross. However, God operates outside of time. Eternity as we understand it is infantile, He is timeless.

My understanding of the power of God is that it is so great it can affect the very flow of time, God can initiate the end now and it will happen yesterday tomorrow and today.
I'd just say it would be strange for God to create the concept of time, then change the way it works, which no one could even notice. Seems unnecessary.
Several of the best Japanese stories it appears are giving God a female interpretation, I cannot ignore one group of stories for another. When they are all reflections of each other, reflections of the truth.
By what authority do 'japanese stories' claim to be divine inspiration from YHWH? Following Jesus isn't a buffet of religion. In fact, Christianity is the only 'religion' that is incompatible with any other belief system. There is no truth in any other, He is the way, the truth, and the life.
Christ said that only his direct followers would understand, the rest would be confused. Some of the Japanese works seem to suggest or imply Christ will take on female form during his second coming. This appears based on their ancient religious texts and beliefs.

This is all incredibly vague. You can refer to my last post with all the Scripture clearly stating *He* returns. Why would Jesus 'take on a female form?' I'm not trying to be rude, but it's just nonsense.

The non-japanese article you linked completely ignores Jesus telling us why He spoke in parables. It was to fulfill OT prophecy of His coming:
Matthew 13: 10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”

11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’

Now according to others, I hear God will send two messengers and the people will kill them and celebrate but God will bring them back.
"Others" being the book of Revelation chapter 11, God's word, yes.
I have suggested the rumored alien invasion may be a lie of man to fight against the Second Coming, using the technology of earth against God since many may not recognize the divinity in its true form, merely going by fictional notions of perfection
They wouldn't need to lie about an alien invasion if Jesus came back as a woman, it would certainly seem like a trick to everybody in that case, including Christians lol
 
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Physics is not a divine law, the natural world is a testament to the power of God, and enforces knowledge of Him:
I believe underneath physics lay math, and math is eternal, it is the word, the logos. It is infinite yet finite.

They wouldn't need to lie about an alien invasion if Jesus came back as a woman, it would certainly seem like a trick to everybody in that case, including Christians lol
Yes Mohammed claims the angel of death's beauty would be reward enough for a good life, his beauty alone. He claims the angel of death's appearance is like the most beautiful man. Perhaps. I say it is like the most beautiful partner, if it is a heterosexual man the angel of death will be female in appearance more beautiful than any woman.

As for where I'm getting God might have female appearance, using bible and math we'll eventually find out. It is said that man is in the image of god. The essence of man is the brain, the structure of the brain, and in it lay objective notions of beauty including of the human face. If a perfect face is inscribed mathematically in the neural networks of all humans and it defines beauty, is this not the face of God? The most beautiful of all faces? Perhaps the face is male, but the default preference of most humans is female, so I tend to believe that at the heart of facial notions of beauty lay a female face.

There is no truth in any other, He is the way, the truth, and the life.
Jesus is also the word or logos, the physical manifestation of the eternal word of God that was at the beginning, if logic tells us it is the body of mathematics, and if some semblance of this is behind the abilties of the brain, a mathematical truth a soul at the heart of man, and if the face inscribed here is not male, then Jesus may be a man, but this would suggest female aspects to his nature.

All men begin in the womb as female, the sry gene of y chromosome turns a body fated for female form into a male form.

Christianity has fragmented, for example there are various divisions such as the mormons.



If that can be Christian then the following can also be Christian

 
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I believe underneath physics lay math, and math is eternal, it is the word, the logos. It is infinite yet finite.
This has no biblical basis, and is in fact blasphemous. The Word is Jesus:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
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14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
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16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Yes Mohammed claims the angel of death's beauty would be reward enough for a good life, his beauty alone. He claims the angel of death's appearance is like the most beautiful man. Perhaps. I say it is like the most beautiful partner, if it is a heterosexual man the angel of death will be female in appearance more beautiful than any woman.
You're making this up, please cite a reference. The only angel momohamad talked about was jibreel (his attempt at stealing the name Gabriel from the Bible). Islam is a false religion, full of contradictions to established Christianity. You can't have both without contradictions, and there is nothing worth keeping from Islam.
As for where I'm getting God might have female appearance, using bible and math we'll eventually find out. It is said that man is in the image of god. The essence of man is the brain, the structure of the brain, and in it lay objective notions of beauty including of the human face. If a perfect face is inscribed mathematically in the neural networks of all humans and it defines beauty, is this not the face of God? The most beautiful of all faces? Perhaps the face is male, but the default preference of most humans is female, so I tend to believe that at the heart of facial notions of beauty lay a female face.
The essence of man is his spirit, given to us by God:

Genesis 2: 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

Scripture tells us that Jesus, God in the flesh, was not comely or good looking. This contradicts your notion:
Isaiah 53: 2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.

Jesus is also the word or logos, the physical manifestation of the eternal word of God that was at the beginning, if logic tells us it is the body of mathematics, and if some semblance of this is behind the abilties of the brain, a mathematical truth a soul at the heart of man, and if the face inscribed here is not male, then Jesus may be a man, but this would suggest female aspects to his nature.
"Jesus is also the word with mathematics" is silly, I can't even. Logic does not follow that math means Jesus has feminine aspects. Again, I'm not trying to be rude, but you're just making up whatever you like. None of this is grounded in anything real.
Christianity has fragmented, for example there are various divisions such as the mormons.



If that can be Christian then the following can also be Christian


Mormons are a cult. The same as Jehovah's Witnesses, the Moonies, the World Mission Society Church of God, etc. None of that is Christianity, they deny the fundamentals of following Jesus Christ.

Anime is not Christianity.

Look, I have to push back on this. You're filling this thread up with techno-gnosticism like Tesseract Tesseract on amphetamines.
 
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This has no biblical basis, and is in fact blasphemous. The Word is Jesus:
Well we will see if digital physics is proven right in the end, then such is fact, and if something contradicts fact it is false. So either they are in accordance if such where proven, or one or the other would have to be proven false.
You're making this up, please cite a reference. The only angel momohamad talked about was jibreel (his attempt at stealing the name Gabriel from the Bible). Islam is a false religion, full of contradictions to established Christianity. You can't have both without contradictions, and there is nothing worth keeping from Islam.
Come now didn't I just like post a video on the angel of Death, which seems to be from a muslim reciting portions of the Koran?


Consider I know very little about Islam, yet it seems Prophet Mohammed came upon notions similar to my own independently. He is also blessed by God in most of his life, and was given plenty of followers by God, who controls the flow of history and willed it so Islam was to be followed by many.

The essence of man is his spirit, given to us by God
Spirit in scientific terms is probably pattern, or structure of information. Information is more fundamental than energy or matter, it cannot be created or destroyed, it is eternal.

Look, I have to push back on this. You're filling this thread up with techno-gnosticism like @Tesseract on amphetamines.
Yeah it's ok, I'm just following my understanding of the world, which could be in error. But know that if digital physics is proven true, you will be like a flat earther if you deny digital arguments of god's existence.


Christian physicist Frank J Tipler appears to have somewhat similar notions with the omega point, you can say it is not christian and is false, unless it turns out to prove factual and real. For those that deny reality will always come crashing back into it.

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Look at chrono trigger, originally talking about an alien being guiding evolution, now it seems to talk of an entity capable of consuming all of existence similar to the alioth of marvel. From a paradisical Land, akin to Eden, wheren Janus and Schala, step siblings end up contending with this godlike entity for what seems like eternity. Similar appears to happen in marvel series, independently with characters promised a paradisical future. And yet again rumor is next matrix may also talk of a couple with godlike powers.

These seem like alternate takes on the biblical story of Eden.

Most physicists seem to believe in block time universe, that means if block time is true, Jesus is both in heaven but he is also in the past carrying the cross and baring the cross for all eternity. Like Schrodinger's cat he is both alive and dead at the same time in a way, though dead in the past alive now. Why both at once? In what many consider, but still some debate, eternal block time universe, past present and future are but moments or locations. Time itself is almost like a spatial dimension in a 4 dimensional structure.

Unlike other people I'm not as easily convinced by miracles, all the miracles in the world do not prove you God and never can, you could be a genie, the devil, or some angel or alien. Even if all the miracles in the bible are true, that does not prove God.

God must emerge from truth, not just the truth of a book, but the truth of the world, the nature of reality. Some called the universe the mind of God, I do see it like that too, but literally it is the physical manifestation of the omnipotent omniscient mind. I call the body of mathematics, the ultimate pattern, the ultimate spirit, from wherein all emerges, that which was at the beginning and that which will be there at the end, uncreated, eternal the first cause, the universe is simulated, it is a mathematical construct. Philosopher's like Plato were on the right track. I also call the body of mathematics, a word like structure, a body of information, the heart of god.

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One possibility, a nightmarish one, is that in the ultimate test of faith you may have to live your life again in the exact same way, you will be given eternal life in a cycle, the kingdom of God and God will be with you along the way, you will resurrect but all there will be will be your human life which you must love and cherish accepting both the highs and lows. All your memories will go away and you will be born again from your own mother. Only by accepting the nature of your existence might you one day transcend to heaven. Only those that embrace what God has given them, the life he has given them, can transcend this cycle.

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You will find that I take many of the roles such as that of Father and children, which x-men movies attempted to desecrate in x-men apocalypse, in a different light.

I do believe the nature of God to be masculine, but I do believe his creations to have similar albeit different power, they are aspects of him. The most beautiful of all angels is said to be Lucifer, connected to Venus in the sky. God might represent the perfect Father, but Lucifer could represent the perfect son or daughter, but since it is a creation rather than progeny, it lacks some of the more fundamental aspects, or restrictions of God. The notion of good and evil some say is absent in Satan, but it is present in his human children.

That said just like God gave Satan control over Job's life, I believe he gives him godlike control over the universe. Like a spoiled brat corrupting existence. In time God himself will intervene.

It is said that a fraction of the elite worship satan, lucifer, and want him, her, it to remain in power forever. That is why they are rumored in conspiracies to perpetrate lies about the nature of the world, and desire to use the armies of man against God.

In the story Childhood's end, the beings that sent the transmission that made up the bible seems some of the messages where inverted, and the angels looked like demons. This were said to be the aliens, but an ancient civilization from the beginning of time, is both alien as well as the celestial armada and likely the very angels that fought during the first war.




A very beautiful song from the old testament, some would say jewish others christian. The God of the old testament was not morally in the wrong, it is just that the human notions of morality need not match that of the divine moral code.

The rumor is when the Christian colonizers came to america they taught the inhabitants everything they believed everything their ancestors died believing was false and nonsense, only their Christ was real. I do not believe God operates under the notion that a people's most sacred beliefs is mere shit to be scooped and discarded. All beliefs all religions under God exist, he was the one that allowed things to be believed at first and to pass from father to son from mother to daughter, and to be part of the human culture.

The various mythos of different cultures, they embody aspects of the Truth, the only aspects some lived and died for their only exposure to the word. In story's like Atlas you can see similar Christ like figures, in the Yggdrasil video you can see a similar notion of God physically sacrificing himself, and how this allows him to overcome death and protect those he loves. Mathematically 1-1=2-2, you might say with all your heart 2-2 is not 1-1 but proven it is, similar the various stories of creation are in their nature.






another two videos that I like from Prince of Egypt, an abrahamic faith cartoon.


Truth is like this it swallows all other beliefs, before the sword of truth edifices of lies crumble, all is swallowed by the divine truth



Egypt is the world, work is slavery, and the promised land is the kingdom of God.
 
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Well we will see if digital physics is proven right in the end, then such is fact, and if something contradicts fact it is false. So either they are in accordance if such where proven, or one or the other would have to be proven false.
Ok. How long do we wait for digital physics to then be proven wrong? My FB timeline has been full of suggested articles about the universe being finite and shaped like a donut. I thought it was infinite and expanding, and before that was shaped like a static ball. I’ll always take facts “proven” by men to be shaky at best. Aren’t you a flat earther, or open to the idea? Hasn’t the earth been proven to be a globe?
Come now didn't I just like post a video on the angel of Death, which seems to be from a muslim reciting portions of the Koran?

It’s not. That’s some sort of fake Muslim copypasta. You won’t find anything in the quran or hadiths about that. I’ll give you $5 if you can find anything.

According to that video it was ‘ibrahim’ (another unfortunate misspelling by mohamed) who saw the ‘angel,’ did you even watch it? Moohamad died comically after being poisoned by a Jewish woman who knew he was a false prophet.
Consider I know very little about Islam, yet it seems Prophet Mohammed came upon notions similar to my own independently. He is also blessed by God in most of his life, and was given plenty of followers by God, who controls the flow of history and willed it so Islam was to be followed by many.
mohamad was a bandit and liar. He died an embarrassment when his buddies realized how much of a liability he was after spreading his false religion through violence, and fell over dead while urinating. There was no angel of death, you’ve been punk’d by a YouTube video.

"They say that the Prophet (ﷺ) made a will for 'Ali,[1] but he called for a basin in which to urinate, then he went flaccid suddenly (and died), so how could he leave a will?!"

Spirit in scientific terms is probably pattern, or structure of information. Information is more fundamental than energy or matter, it cannot be created or destroyed, it is eternal.
I’m glad we agree that the spirit is the eternal essence of man.
Yeah it's ok, I'm just following my understanding of the world, which could be in error. But know that if digital physics is proven true, you will be like a flat earther if you deny digital arguments of god's existence.

Christian physicist Frank J Tipler appears to have somewhat similar notions with the omega point, you can say it is not christian and is false, unless it turns out to prove factual and real. For those that deny reality will always come crashing back into it.
God gave us Scripture for everything:
2 Timothy 3:1-7 1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:
5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts,
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
The omega point is an interesting example of finite minds to comprehend God. Rather than admit He is beyond understanding, pride takes over and mortal men think they can discover the nature of God by constricting Him by the rules *we* have been put under.

I highly doubt there will ever be ‘digital arguments,’ at least none that will ever lead to a convicting faith and salvation through Jesus Christ. That is not how God operates:
1 Corinthians 1:20 Where [is] the wise? Where [is] the scribe? Where [is] the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called.] 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--and righteousness and sanctification and redemption--
Mark 10: 13 Then they brought little children to Him, that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked those who brought [them.] 14 But when Jesus saw [it,] He was greatly displeased and said to them, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God. 15 “Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.” 16 And He took them up in His arms, laid [His] hands on them, and blessed them.
Look at chrono trigger, originally talking about an alien being guiding evolution, now it seems to talk of an entity capable of consuming all of existence similar to the alioth of marvel. From a paradisical Land, akin to Eden, wheren Janus and Schala, step siblings end up contending with this godlike entity for what seems like eternity. Similar appears to happen in marvel series, independently with characters promised a paradisical future. And yet again rumor is next matrix may also talk of a couple with godlike powers.

These seem like alternate takes on the biblical story of Eden.
I’m not going to entertain this Disney x Crunchyroll theology you’ve created.
Most physicists seem to believe in block time universe, that means if block time is true, Jesus is both in heaven but he is also in the past carrying the cross and baring the cross for all eternity. Like Schrodinger's cat he is both alive and dead at the same time in a way, though dead in the past alive now. Why both at once? In what many consider, but still some debate, eternal block time universe, past present and future are but moments or locations. Time itself is almost like a spatial dimension in a 4 dimensional structure.
You’ve yet to explain why God, who created time(something affected by other forces He created) is somehow unable to exist outside of it. It’s illogical.
Unlike other people I'm not as easily convinced by miracles, all the miracles in the world do not prove you God and never can, you could be a genie, the devil, or some angel or alien. Even if all the miracles in the bible are true, that does not prove God.
So the miracles in the Bible, God’s word, which give credit to God, does not prove He is God. Is there anything in the Bible that makes you think He is not YHWH? It’s cool you’re skeptical, but you should be skeptical of the fringe ‘scientists’ and random anime you’re putting up against Scripture. Don’t be skeptical of God’s word, be skeptical of the children’s entertainment you’re worshipping.
God must emerge from truth, not just the truth of a book, but the truth of the world, the nature of reality. Some called the universe the mind of God, I do see it like that too, but literally it is the physical manifestation of the omnipotent omniscient mind. I call the body of mathematics, the ultimate pattern, the ultimate spirit, from wherein all emerges, that which was at the beginning and that which will be there at the end, uncreated, eternal the first cause, the universe is simulated, it is a mathematical construct. Philosopher's like Plato were on the right track. I also call the body of mathematics, a word like structure, a body of information, the heart of god.
God doesn’t have to do anything. It’s prideful for a powerless creation to demand something of its creator. I really do pray you’re reading the Scripture I post:
Isaiah 45:9 “Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker-- An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth! Will the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you doing?’ Or the thing you are making say, ‘He has no hands’?
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One possibility, a nightmarish one, is that in the ultimate test of faith you may have to live your life again in the exact same way, you will be given eternal life in a cycle, the kingdom of God and God will be with you along the way, you will resurrect but all there will be will be your human life which you must love and cherish accepting both the highs and lows. All your memories will go away and you will be born again from your own mother. Only by accepting the nature of your existence might you one day transcend to heaven. Only those that embrace what God has given them, the life he has given them, can transcend this cycle.
Definitely not. You’re in the Christianity OT, it’s basic fundamentals you’re arguing with now:
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
You will find that I take many of the roles such as that of Father and children, which x-men movies attempted to desecrate in x-men apocalypse, in a different light.
I can’t tell if you’re claiming to be God here. Just keep in mind that most of your ideas would be a desecration of Scripture, which I hope we could agree is elevated above Brett Ratner’s x-men movies.
I do believe the nature of God to be masculine, but I do believe his creations to have similar albeit different power, they are aspects of him. The most beautiful of all angels is said to be Lucifer, connected to Venus in the sky. God might represent the perfect Father, but Lucifer could represent the perfect son or daughter, but since it is a creation rather than progeny, it lacks some of the more fundamental aspects, or restrictions of God. The notion of good and evil some say is absent in Satan, but it is present in his human children.
A lot of blasphemy here. Earlier you said you don’t trust miracles because it could be the devil, yet here you’re stanning for him. God *is* perfect, nothing else is perfect. satan is definitely all evil, absolutely zero good:
John 8:44 “You are of [your] father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own [resources,] for he is a liar and the father of it.
Good news though:
Romans 16:20 And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen.
That said just like God gave Satan control over Job's life, I believe he gives him godlike control over the universe. Like a spoiled brat corrupting existence. In time God himself will intervene.
The devil is finite, a created being with limited power. There’s nothing godlike there, nor any actual control.
It is said that a fraction of the elite worship satan, lucifer, and want him, her, it to remain in power forever. That is why they are rumored in conspiracies to perpetrate lies about the nature of the world, and desire to use the armies of man against God.
Probably, I’d imagine that those people will be scapegoats, and they are being destroyed before our eyes.


A very beautiful song from the old testament, some would say jewish others christian. The God of the old testament was not morally in the wrong, it is just that the human notions of morality need not match that of the divine moral code.

That song is from a Pixar movie, not the Old Testament.

What exactly do you think was immoral? And why do Christians not need to be aligned morally with God?
The rumor is when the Christian colonizers came to america they taught the inhabitants everything they believed everything their ancestors died believing was false and nonsense, only their Christ was real. I do not believe God operates under the notion that a people's most sacred beliefs is mere shit to be scooped and discarded. All beliefs all religions under God exist, he was the one that allowed things to be believed at first and to pass from father to son from mother to daughter, and to be part of the human culture.
There is only one Christ, Yeshua:
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. 10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may [continue to] believe in the name of the Son of God.

God made it very clear that other ‘religions’ were to be avoided and led to destruction:
Isaiah 43:10 “You [are] My witnesses,” says the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I [am] He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. 11 I, [even] I, [am] the LORD, And besides Me [there is] no savior. 12 I have declared and saved, I have proclaimed, And [there was] no foreign [god] among you; Therefore you [are] My witnesses,” Says the LORD, “that I [am] God.
1 Corinthians 10:20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.
God said others beliefs are lies, and should be discarded. Not a lot of leeway there. That’s why about all of the pagan religions have completely died out, they’re lies and demons.

The various mythos of different cultures, they embody aspects of the Truth, the only aspects some lived and died for their only exposure to the word. In story's like Atlas you can see similar Christ like figures, in the Yggdrasil video you can see a similar notion of God physically sacrificing himself, and how this allows him to overcome death and protect those he loves. Mathematically 1-1=2-2, you might say with all your heart 2-2 is not 1-1 but proven it is, similar the various stories of creation are in their nature.





The Yggdrasil story that was written 1300 years after Jesus rose again? Most manuscript evidence of the oldest religions are really only hundreds of years old. Biblical manuscript history is actually the oldest, which people can’t seem to accept.

Atlas, the guy who was forced by another guy to do something he didn’t want to do? I’m not seeing the parallel to our God and Saviour Jesus Christ stepping down willingly from glory to offer redemption and salvation to the naturally wicked men and women, who simply have to confess and believe that He is their saviour to receive everlasting life and fellowship with the perfect Creator of all things.
 
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It’s not. That’s some sort of fake Muslim copypasta. You won’t find anything on the quran or hadiths about that.

According to that video it was ‘ibrahim’ (another unfortunate misspelling by mohamed) who saw the ‘angel,’ did you even watch it? Moohamad died comically after being poisoned by a Jewish woman who knew he was a false prophet.
Azrael, Arabic ʿIzrāʾīl or ʿAzrāʾīl, in Islam, the angel of death who separates souls from their bodies; he is one of the four archangels (with Jibrīl, Mīkāl, and Isrāfīl) and the Islamic counterpart of the Judeo-Christian angel of death, who is sometimes called Azrael. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Azrael

Azrael kept his importance in everyday life. According to the Sufi teacher Al-Jili, Azrael appears to the soul in a form provided by its most powerful metaphors. A common belief holds that the lesser angels of death are for the common people, while saints and prophets meet the archangel of death himself.[17] Great prophets such as Moses and Muhammad are invited politely by him, but saints are also said to meet Azrael in beautiful forms. It is said that, when Rumi was about to die, he laid in his bed and met Azrael in human shape.[18] The belief that Azrael appears to saints before they actually die to prepare themselves for death, is also attested by the testament of Nasir Khusraw, in which he claims to have met Azrael during his sleep, informing him about his upcoming death.[

I need to investigate further but so far it seems similar was common belief among muslims not mere copypasta.
You’ve yet to explain why God, who created time(something affected by other forces He created) is somehow unable to exist outside of it. It’s illogical.
He transcends time, yet must exist within it. You are saying that Jesus should be able to remove himself from the timeline, and be fictional yet somehow still walk for real.
If the nature of time is block time, where all exists at once in the eternal present, all moments eternally repeating, as it seems physics suggests, then to be real you must be part of the timeline, the sacred timeline.
God doesn’t have to do anything. It’s prideful for a powerless creation to demand something of its creator.
people have wrestled with god and come out on top, which some say wrestling might be an euphemism for rape, but some say it was an angel and not really god.

God *is* perfect, nothing else is perfect. satan is definitely all evil, absolutely zero good
I respect Jewish belief, and it is my understanding like in Job, Satan is an agent or servant of the Lord and functions as part of the world the way the Lord intended.


What exactly do you think was immoral? And why do Christians not need to be aligned morally with God?
I don't know commanding animal sacrifice, genocide, murder of children, and cursing future innocents based on crimes of ancestors, even asking for human sacrifice, while saying slavery was ok. This would be troublesome to modern woke people.

God said others beliefs are lies, and should be discarded. Not a lot of leeway there. That’s why about all of the pagan religions have completely died out, they’re lies and demons.
It is said take the good and discard the bad, even from within the bible itself, any passage that is counter to god is pollution or corruption from man in scripture.

Biblical manuscript history is actually the oldest, which people can’t seem to accept.
You MEAN the abrahamic faith, many jews do not accept Jesus is the real Jesus, the real messiah. Unlike you I'm open to the possibility the Jesus of the past might be but a prelude or incomplete form of what is to come, and his Second Coming will be akin to a First in the eyes of many.

You may say the image of god given flesh is not god, but if it can heal the wounded and sick, cure from aging, give immortality and raise the dead. Is this not really god?



IT is rumored the real appearance of Christ was curly hair brown skin a non refined nose and lips, a standard homeless man. Not the refined european man the church teaches, but many have Idolatry for this European man image.



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I need to investigate further but so far it seems similar was common belief among muslims not mere copypasta.
I’m not interested in what a couple randos who lived almost A thousand years after momohamud said, thanks for the article though. There’s nothing in the quran or hadith about it.
He transcends time, yet must exist within it.
Because you say so? Is it because God existing outside of time is unbelievable, or puts humanity at too much of a disadvantage?
You are saying that Jesus should be able to remove himself from the timeline, and be fictional yet somehow still walk for real.
If the nature of time is block time, where all exists at once in the eternal present, all moments eternally repeating, as it seems physics suggests, then to be real you must be part of the timeline, the sacred timeline.
Who said Jesus is fictional? I showed you what the Bible says, it doesn’t matter to me what physics suggests. Like I added in the edit at the beginning of my last post, scientific understanding is shaky and always changing. There is nothing sacred about time, it’s just a function of creation, which God exists outside of.
people have wrestled with god and come out on top, which some say wrestling might be an euphemism for rape, but some say it was an angel and not really god.
You think Jacob beat God wrestling? Even from a strange math-based view of God, I don’t think that is likely, nor the intent of that account in the Bible.

‘Some’ say a lot of things according to you, but this one is very unnecessary.
I respect Jewish belief, and it is my understanding like in Job, Satan is an agent or servant of the Lord and functions as part of the world the way the Lord intended.
It depends on your definition of ‘agent’ and ‘the way the Lord intended.’ I suspect, like many of the compromised kabbalistic notions, The definitions are not correct. Either way, Jesus was very clear that there is no good or truth in satan.
I don't know commanding animal sacrifice
Eating meat would be more immoral than animal sacrifice. One is based on needs of the flesh, while the other was an act of faith. Humans are created in the image of God, animals are not equal materially, much less spiritually:
Hebrews 9: 22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission. 23 Therefore [it was] necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
genocide, murder of children,
I don’t think you fully appreciate the extreme wickedness of the Canaanites. God gave them 400 years before finally visiting punishment on them. How long does God have to wait for righteous justice to not be ‘immoral?’
Genesis 15: 13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land [that is] not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. ——16 “But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites [is] not yet complete.”
There were children, but it’s a carnal thing to focus on their physical life:
Matthew 10:28
“And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
Consider the innocent children who were delivered from a life of torture and all evil acts, and most importantly eternal destruction. This is all ignoring the possibility that these were ‘people’ as we consider it, and not tribes of demonic Nephilim.
and cursing future innocents based on crimes of ancestors
This didn’t happen, don’t ignore Scripture. No one who loved and followed God was cursed, no matter what their parents did.
Exodus 20: 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth [generations] of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
even asking for human sacrifice
Could you be more specific on this one?
while saying slavery was ok.
Slaves and bond-servants were a demographic of people who chose to serve, with rights and social status. This was not chattel slavery like early America. Engaging in that was punishable by death:
Exodus 21:16 “He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death.
This would be troublesome to modern woke people.
Just like everything else, but those people will never understand, no matter what.
It is said take the good and discard the bad, even from within the bible itself, any passage that is counter to god is pollution or corruption from man in scripture.
God is clear that is a big no-no. Do you have any examples of corruption? I don’t think God would allow that to happen, considering He is sovereign and it is His word:
Deuteronomy 4:2 “You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
You MEAN the abrahamic faith, many jews do not accept Jesus is the real Jesus, the real messiah. Unlike you I'm open to the possibility the Jesus of the past might be but a prelude or incomplete form of what is to come, and his Second Coming will be akin to a First in the eyes of many.
Jesus of the past is still Jesus of the present and future, please refer to my previous posts. He was complete when He ascended, I’m not sure what you think He was missing.

His second coming will not be akin to the first. He first came to save that which was lost, and He will judge at the second. It will be too late for those left:
John 5:22 “For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
Matthew 24:30 “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Jude 1:14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 “to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
2 Thessalonians 1: 7 and to [give] you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
You may say the image of god given flesh is not god, but if it can heal the wounded and sick, cure from aging, give immortality and raise the dead. Is this not really god?
I don’t know when I said anything like this. Are we talking about Jesus being God in the flesh?


IT is rumored the real appearance of Christ was curly hair brown skin a non refined nose and lips, a standard homeless man. Not the refined european man the church teaches, but many have Idolatry for this European man image.

Jesus wasn’t homeless, but I get what you mean. Refer to my earlier post with the passage from Isaiah talking about Jesus not being comely.


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Arguments from jews, suggesting real Jesus is yet to come.

Kabbalah, the source of modern new age beliefs, written by a random European guy a few hundred years ago (who lied and said it was written by Moses). Kabbalah is fan fiction designed to give Judaism a reason to continue existing. Why wouldn’t a rabbi like Singer claim the ‘real’ Jesus hasn’t come yet? Again, this is the Christianity OT. The messiah that guy is waiting for will be the false prophet of Revelation:
John 5:43
“I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
 
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I’m not interested in what a couple randos who lived almost A thousand years after momohamud said, thanks for the article though. There’s nothing in the quran or hadith about it.
How many times is Azrael mentioned in the Quran?-google


In Quran and exegesis

Quran 32:11 mentions an angel of death, identified with Azrael.
The name appears though or something related.
Because you say so? Is it because God existing outside of time is unbelievable, or puts humanity at too much of a disadvantage?
Because physics seems to say so, and it is likely founded in as much truth as 1+1=2, though could be wrong, if it is truth it is god.

This didn’t happen, don’t ignore Scripture. No one who loved and followed God was cursed, no matter what their parents did.
Exodus 20: 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth [generations] of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Basic language, open to interpretation, but most reasonable is descendants of those who hate him, though you could argue the descendants hate him too I guess as a possible escape.

One of the views of some of the earlier christians was that part of the reason Jesus had to die was due to the sin of Adam eaten the apple, which condemned his descendants to death and the desert of the real(Outside Eden).
Could you be more specific on this one?
Jesus is the sacrifice he asked Abraham but allowed Abraham to not make, the scape goat the vicarious redemption through the murder of an innocent.
Slaves and bond-servants were a demographic of people who chose to serve, with rightthis was not chattel slavery like early America. Engaging in that was punishable by death:
God made his people the slaves of Egypt, iirc.
God is clear that is a big no-no. Do you have any examples of corruption? I don’t think God would allow that to happen, considering He is sovereign and it is His word:


Jews argue Christians have corrupted the true meaning, and the true real Jesus is yet to come, the true Messiah, and this is pretty clear from scriptures which Christians misquote and take out of context.

I don't know if that rabbi is kabbalistic or not, but he cites clear passages and examples suggesting the real Jesus is yet to come, perhaps he is in error. But that is open to debate. In any case the bible says every nation will follow the true Messiah, that includes all Christian nations according to bible prophesy, and likely all Christians too, this is biblical prophecy. And we are told all prophecies will be fulfilled.
I don’t know when I said anything like this. Are we talking about Jesus being God in the flesh?
Man is in the process of extracting the essence, the image of god, from the human brain and manifesting it outside giving life to reality.
 
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The name appears though or something related.
A name appearing (or something related) is a far cry from: "Yes Mohammed claims the angel of death's beauty would be reward enough for a good life, his beauty alone. He claims the angel of death's appearance is like the most beautiful man. Perhaps. I say it is like the most beautiful partner, if it is a heterosexual man the angel of death will be female in appearance more beautiful than any woman."

Because physics seems to say so, and it is likely founded in as much truth as 1+1=2, though could be wrong, if it is truth it is god.
Physics says nothing about God being constrained. You're saying it.
Basic language, open to interpretation, but most reasonable is descendants of those who hate him, though you could argue the descendants hate him too I guess as a possible escape.
Then it would be written like "visiting the iniquity of those who hate me on their children..." It's not, and there is Scripture to support my argument:
Ezekiel 18:
19 “Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?’ Because the son has done what is lawful and right, and has kept all My statutes and observed them, he shall surely live.
20 “The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Be happy, who doesn't want God to be perfect and moral in every way?
One of the views of some of the earlier christians was that part of the reason Jesus had to die was due to the sin of Adam eaten the apple, which condemned his descendants to death and the desert of the real(Outside Eden).
That's the view of all biblical Christianity:
Romans 5: 12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.
17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore, as through [one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
Jesus is the sacrifice he asked Abraham but allowed Abraham to not make, the scape goat the vicarious redemption through the murder of an innocent.
Ah gotcha. I don't consider a test immoral, but I'm sure woke people would.
God made his people the slaves of Egypt, iirc.
You said slavery was ok according to God, like He approves of it or endorses it. I'd say you're biased in your interpretation. Here's what Scripture says:
Exodus 1: 12 But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and grew. And they were in dread of the children of Israel. 13 So the Egyptians made the children of Israel serve with rigor. 14 And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage—in mortar, in brick, and in all manner of service in the field. All their service in which they made them serve was with rigor
Like all things, God used the bad which occurred to further His plan. He promised Abraham a nation of multitudes, and in Egypt the Israelites multiplied in their afflictions and did not intermarry or become part of the world as they would have in Canaan. I don't see anything about slavery being ok, in my studies.


Jews argue Christians have corrupted the true meaning, and the true real Jesus is yet to come, the true Messiah, and this is pretty clear from scriptures which Christians misquote and take out of context.

Please show me the scriptures which are misquoted. Singer is going to say there are two messiahs coming, both of which are fulfilled in Jesus' first and second coming.

It's Jesus that really throws a wrench in everyone's dreams. Without Him, every religion could coexist, every person to follow whatever they feel like, every man could be told they are a god, capable of reaching beyond the bounds of reality. There would be no absolute truth without Jesus, and many people would really like that. Fortunately, Jesus is real and alive, and coming back very soon.
I don't know if that rabbi is kabbalistic or not, but he cites clear passages and examples suggesting the real Jesus is yet to come, perhaps he is in error. But that is open to debate. In any case the bible says every nation will follow the true Messiah, that includes all Christian nations according to bible prophesy, and likely all Christians too, this is biblical prophecy. And we are told all prophecies will be fulfilled.
Spoilers!
Revelation 20: 1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Things get even more awesome in chapter 21 and 22.
Man is in the process of extracting the essence, the image of god, from the human brain and manifesting it outside giving life to reality.
I thought man was made in the image of God, and that had something to do with feminine faces. Is the image brain essence or facial beauty?
 
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Physics says nothing about God being constrained. You're saying it.
I said God was unconstrained, he could even make it so the world ended during the time of Christ as he predicted those alive then would see the end, fulfilling prophecy. You said Christ's words could not prove right and God could not make them right.

Then it would be written like "visiting the iniquity of those who hate me on their children..." It's not, and there is Scripture to support my argument:
We would have to ask a jew in the ancient hebrew, not sloppy translations which is all most Christians have gotten.
That's the view of all biblical Christianity:

again not all humanity hates god, yet is condemned, till he decided to do human sacrifice. Only through human sacrifice could he forgive, I believe he can forgive with or without sacrifice, if he does a sacrifice it is at most symbolic to teach a lesson. You believe God constrained to needing sacrifice to forgive, God need no sacrifice regardless of the writings of men.

Also this is a God that if Hitler or Mussolini repented on their death bed and accepted him, would accept them to his side while condemning any of the oppressed who died cursing their abusers, rapists, murderers, and god. You also think he is constrained in that he cannot lie. Even right now God's probably dancing the eternal dance with the most beautiful archangel lucifer, also known as Venus. Venus is part of the celestial sphere.

Ah gotcha. I don't consider a test immoral, but I'm sure woke people would.
Jesus was an actual killed human and even went to hell for a bit. That is surely more than a normal test.
Like all things, God used the bad which occurred to further His plan. He promised Abraham a nation of multitudes, and in Egypt the Israelites multiplied in their afflictions and did not intermarry or become part of the world as they would have in Canaan. I don't see anything about slavery being ok, in my studies.
God hardened pharaoh's heart so he could unleash countless disasters and plagues and send the angel of death to kill first borns.
Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ” which is Paul instructing slaves to obey their master. Similar statements regarding obedient slaves can be found in Colossians 3:22-24, 1 Timothy 6:1-2, and Titus 2:9-10.-google
The bible was used for a long time to justify slavery, and slaves used it as justification to not rebel.
I thought man was made in the image of God, and that had something to do with feminine faces. Is the image brain essence or facial beauty?
The essence of the beauty of human faces is inscribed in human brains from birth, recently born babies stare longer at attractive faces than unattractive faces.(iirc, and this is going by western standards of beauty.). They later become corrupted, and often desire people with resemblance to family friends and care takers.

Please show me the scriptures which are misquoted. Singer is going to say there are two messiahs coming, both of which are fulfilled in Jesus' first and second coming.
In the video he mentions a few, he also mentions clear simple scriptures which in context indicate the True Messiah was not to die but live and rule and be followed by all, as that is the Hebrew prophecy for the true messiah. The church is desperate to convert the Jews, but they know hebrew and they can tell that it seems things are not in accordance with scripture.

Maybe there is error, but I tend to view all arguments even opposing sides and try to do it in good faith. I do not need distortions of lie to defend my beliefs. There is a possibility that just like Islam the entire new testament could be brought into question, but for that we'd need to see the debates between rabbis and christians.

All I know is that whether you're muslim, christian, or jew this likely depends on what you were fed as a kid or later in your personal culture as an adult. I will not cling to beliefs, at the expense of truth.

It's Jesus that really throws a wrench in everyone's dreams. Without Him, every religion could coexist, every person to follow whatever they feel like, every man could be told they are a god, capable of reaching beyond the bounds of reality. There would be no absolute truth without Jesus, and many people would really like that. Fortunately, Jesus is real and alive, and coming back very soon.
Not only satan but even the angels say that nothing shall be impossible to man united, that is written in the old testament. Perhaps it contradicts your beliefs, but that is written in the bible.

The universe is computational, and we humans are mastering the science of computation, the science of reality, of reality manipulation, the science of God. We are becoming one, united as a people.

The aim of people like me is to unify all beliefs, all systems, mere memetic self replicating groups of ideas from ancient times. All ideas in the end bow to the idea of God.

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Will say there is also quite a lot of depth in many other works. In the end reality is like a hall of mirrors, from the most ancient of oral traditions, to that which is written in the firmament and nature, the very celestial sphere, the order in the world, I can see the myriad distorted reflections of the truth... the song of songs.





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The world seems destined for a world of zealotry, of loyal passionate belief, where we are all stars, where we are all fans,
zealotry
[ˈzɛlətri]

NOUN
  1. fanatical and uncompromising pursuit of religious, political, or other ideals; fanaticism.-dictionary
The destiny of the world seems to be ZEAL, the Kingdom of Zeal, Capital of the Stars, EARTH. A world of fans, a world of stars, as we open the celestial gate of heaven, as the celestial sphere unlocks and we dwell among the stars.



Where spirituality is transcended, and life is eternal.

 
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I said God was unconstrained, he could even make it so the world ended during the time of Christ as he predicted those alive then would see the end, fulfilling prophecy. You said Christ's words could not prove right and God could not make them right.
You read that wrong. Jesus was talking to the last generation:
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
We would have to ask a jew in the ancient hebrew, not sloppy translations which is all most Christians have gotten.
Hyperbole from someone operating off second hand knowledge. The Jewish translators of the Septuagint knew ancient Hebrew, and their Greek jives. Ezekiel made it clear though, and God does not contradict Himself.
again not all humanity hates god, yet is condemned, till he decided to do human sacrifice.
Not true, the Bible is clear that salvation has always been through faith alone (just as it is today in Jesus)
Romans 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted [as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
Only through human sacrifice could he forgive, I believe he can forgive with or without sacrifice, if he does a sacrifice it is at most symbolic to teach a lesson. You believe God constrained to needing sacrifice to forgive, God need no sacrifice regardless of the writings of men.
It is faith and obedience God desires, not sacrifice. Jesus said the same, and that was also clear in the Old Testament:
Matthew 9: 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
Hosea 6:
6 For I desire mercy and not sacrifice,
And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
1 Samuel 15:
22 So Samuel said:

“Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
As in obeying the voice of the Lord?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.
Micah 6: 6 With what shall I come before the Lord,
And bow myself before the High God?
Shall I come before Him with burnt offerings,
With calves a year old?
7 Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams,
Ten thousand rivers of oil?
Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression,
The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

8 He has shown you, O man, what is good;
And what does the Lord require of you
But to do justly,
To love mercy,
And to walk humbly with your God?
But the consequences of sin is beyond our comprehension, and it required the blood of God to take away the punishment of sin for the world (those who choose to receive the gift). You are ignoring that Jesus is fully God and fully man, there was no human sacrifice.
2 Corinthians 5: 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Also this is a God that if Hitler or Mussolini repented on their death bed and accepted him, would accept them to his side while condemning any of the oppressed who died cursing their abusers, rapists, murderers, and god.
If the worst person repented earnestly, why shouldn't they be forgiven? That's human immorality, a lack of mercy.
You also think he is constrained in that he cannot lie.
Clearly:
Titus 1: 2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,
Even right now God's probably dancing the eternal dance with the most beautiful archangel lucifer, also known as Venus. Venus is part of the celestial sphere.
"...It's like one of my Japanese animes..."
Jesus was an actual killed human and even went to hell for a bit. That is surely more than a normal test.
I thought we were talking about Abraham?

Either way, Jesus is more than human:
Colossians 2: 8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead
And it was not a test for Jesus:
John 10: 17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

Since you're big on the original languages, please explain sheol/hades in the Bible, and why you say Jesus went to Hell (because He didn't).
Not only satan but even the angels say that nothing shall be impossible to man united, that is written in the old testament. Perhaps it contradicts your beliefs, but that is written in the bible.
God said that. I'm sure your confusion was accidental.
Genesis 11: 6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them.
Don't get your hopes up on human potential in the future.
The universe is computational, and we humans are mastering the science of computation, the science of reality, of reality manipulation, the science of God. We are becoming one, united as a people.

The aim of people like me is to unify all beliefs, all systems, mere memetic self replicating groups of ideas from ancient times. All ideas in the end bow to the idea of God.
So you're some sort of proselytizing gnostic universalist. Interesting, considering Christianity is the only proselytizing 'religion' that is necessitated by a final judgement at the end of life, and that judgment hinges on a saving faith in Jesus alone. Why do you do it?
Gnosticism has been a parasite to Christianity since the beginning, there is nothing new under the sun.
 
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