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[Toons]

Thoroughly enjoyed this. The whining has been ridiculously overblown. MOTU fanbase trying to take the Star Wars ones place

Phenomenal voice acting and animation. This show made frigging ORKO one of my favorite characters.

The villains were all great. I'm very much looking forward to the next batch.

Most people who gave issues with the series are judging it by what they wanted it to be instead if what it is. Because it dies that very well.

 

[eNT1TY]

Managed to watch all of it, has some serious Saturday morning cartoon vibes with a healthy injection of contemporary social commentary and a peculiar campyness. I do not know what i was expecting but it got some things right. Voice acting was all over the place however and when it's bad it's quite bad. Vehicles are still stupid, characters also still look stupid for the most part, it is He-Man after-all but with the softer side of Sears in its DNA. I'd venture to say that the new She-ra was better written with much better character development despite its own set of problems.

 

[Doczu]

Phenomenal voice acting and animation.

Man you've got some low ass standards. Shit looked like 15 fps with terrible lip sync. Bet you're one of those that don't see a difference between 30 and 60 fps

 

[Azurro]

No, this thread has already called certain fans a bunch of shills, so those fans aren't real fans.

The shills I mean, we aren't real fans.

If you are a fan of absolutely everything, then you are a fan of nothing, you have no discernible tastes. If all the Hollywood people were stitched up like the human centipede, you'd be stitched up way in the back, asking for more and confused why nobody is stitched up behind you.

 

[JumpMan1981]

I've been enjoying following this controversy.
I still don't really get who the show is supposed to be aimed at.

Remember that cartoon everyone loved?
Let's buy the rights and make a new version, say 10 episodes or so.

OK so it's aimed at kids? Nah.
So it's supposed to be for dudes in their 30s as like nostalgia-bait to make a bit of money from merch etc? Yup.

Right so how about we just get rid of the main character and totally change all the other characters and then when the fans get annoyed we'll call them a bunch of assholes? Perfect.

I am 100% convinced that about 7 years ago somebody somewhere has discovered that you can successfully make money by subverting brand loyalty and actually quite aggressively annoying consumers who feel loyal to or invested in your brand.

Lady Ghostbusters. The Last Jedi. He-Man. Captain Marvel. I am sure there are so many others.
It's so weird but I think on some level it must be working or achieving some kind of goal.
Amazon's LOTR show also seems to be going along this same guideline.

Any wild theories?

I reckon it could be something like if some content in a franchise is poorly made and poorly received then future good content is more likely to bounce back even stronger. So if you look at the long term it might be better to have a short term "failure" that angers loyal fans so that you can recover with something that "makes up for it" and make even more money.

Maybe a Ghostbusters 3 would have been seen as boring and stale but Ghostbusters Afterlife will be seen as the absolute savior of that franchise everyone loves.

 

[Izumar]

I am 100% convinced that about 7 years ago somebody somewhere has discovered that you can successfully make money by subverting brand loyalty and actually quite aggressively annoying consumers who feel loyal to or invested in your brand.

Here is the voice actress for the original She-Ra mentioning this a while back in this article https://bleedingfool.com/movies-tv-film/she-ra-herself-criticizes-netflixs-reboot-marketing-tactics/

It is incredibly obvious and repetitive when you are looking for it. Mass Effect legendary edition was going for the same thing when they leaked the butt scene removal thing but it just didn't catch on.

The leaker to Clownfish in this case was probably someone at the studio to get the ball rolling.

 

[Mister Wolf]

I've been enjoying following this controversy.
I still don't really get who the show is supposed to be aimed at.

Remember that cartoon everyone loved?
Let's buy the rights and make a new version, say 10 episodes or so.

OK so it's aimed at kids? Nah.
So it's supposed to be for dudes in their 30s as like nostalgia-bait to make a bit of money from merch etc? Yup.

Right so how about we just get rid of the main character and totally change all the other characters and then when the fans get annoyed we'll call them a bunch of assholes? Perfect.

I am 100% convinced that about 7 years ago somebody somewhere has discovered that you can successfully make money by subverting brand loyalty and actually quite aggressively annoying consumers who feel loyal to or invested in your brand.

Lady Ghostbusters. The Last Jedi. He-Man. Captain Marvel. I am sure there are so many others.
It's so weird but I think on some level it must be working or achieving some kind of goal.
Amazon's LOTR show also seems to be going along this same guideline.

Any wild theories?

I reckon it could be something like if some content in a franchise is poorly made and poorly received then future good content is more likely to bounce back even stronger. So if you look at the long term it might be better to have a short term "failure" that angers loyal fans so that you can recover with something that "makes up for it" and make even more money.

Maybe a Ghostbusters 3 would have been seen as boring and stale but Ghostbusters Afterlife will be seen as the absolute savior of that franchise everyone loves.

The know if they create original IPs with their ideologies shoved in many wont watch it so they constantly attempt to use existing IPs with already established fanbases. Terminator was one of the worst offenders.

 

[sol_bad]

If you are a fan of absolutely everything, then you are a fan of nothing, you have no discernible tastes. If all the Hollywood people were stitched up like the human centipede, you'd be stitched up way in the back, asking for more and confused why nobody is stitched up behind you.

I'm not sure if your English comprehension skills are up to snuff. In one of my previous posts I said I don't generally waste my time talking about stuff I don't like.

 

[KiNeMz]

Thoroughly enjoyed this. The whining has been ridiculously overblown. MOTU fanbase trying to take the Star Wars ones place

Phenomenal voice acting and animation. This show made frigging ORKO one of my favorite characters.

The villains were all great. I'm very much looking forward to the next batch.

Most people who gave issues with the series are judging it by what they wanted it to be instead if what it is. Because it dies that very well.

Phenomenal voice acting?

Wow have people different tastes.

 

[nush]

I'm not sure if your English comprehension skills are up to snuff. In one of my previous posts I said I don't generally waste my time talking about stuff I don't like.

You know who also says that exact same thing?

 

[kondorBonk]

Overall enjoyed it. The side characters are much more entertaining to me so I enjoyed the direction it took. Heman himself, isn't an interesting character so good on them for taking the chance.
Most important, looks like we get a lot more of Mark Hamil.

 

[jason10mm]

I wonder if this thing could have been salvaged with better marketing. Call it "MOTU: Death of He-man" or "Trials of Teela" and sell it as 'inspired by the 80's cartoon' instead of as a direct sequel with He-man front and center. If they didn't have the rights to the filmation stuff and had to go at it obliquely and they intended to side-line He-man and focus on side characters then the marketing department REALLY dropped the ball and they should have muzzled KS since he gleefully helped dig that hole.

If their hope was to create a new MLP then by all accounts it failed horribly in "reimagining" the IP.

Still, if you don't UNSUBSCRIBE, even for just a month, Netflix wins! Hate watching is still giving them money..

 

[Toons]

Man you've got some low ass standards. Shit looked like 15 fps with terrible lip sync. Bet you're one of those that don't see a difference between 30 and 60 fps

Can't tell if satire... but if not, sorry this was some great animation. Maybe you dont watch a lot of action cartoons and such but its usually not anywhere near this good looking. And I'm more concerned with fluidity, of which there were some great sequences. That's always been the priority for me, even in video games. If it looks good to watch I don't care how many still frames are flashing through my eyes.

Phenomenal voice acting?

Wow have people different tastes.

I mean. Lena Headley was great. Man at Arms sounded great. Mark Hamill is always great. Scareglow was a standout to me. Teelas voice was solid too. Once you get over the familiarity with Kevin Conroy Batman I could even appreciate Mermans voice. Even thought Cringer sounded good. So yeah I'd say I was pleased by it.

Different strokes I gues

 

[Toons]

If you are a fan of absolutely everything, then you are a fan of nothing, you have no discernible tastes. If all the Hollywood people were stitched up like the human centipede, you'd be stitched up way in the back, asking for more and confused why nobody is stitched up behind you.

It baffles me how we in the modern age, now turn liking a piece of entertainment into a negative connotation, even a means of disparagement but I suppose that's the way of the world. Le sigh.

People are taking the show way too seriously. Its portrayed in a very matter of fact manner, no one turns to the screen and gives you a speech about why it had to be Teela who does this because she's a strong woman. She accepts plenty of help from males and her and her entire group are saved by Man at Arms in epsiode 3. Its just an action adventure show, there's no need to overcomplicate it lol

 

[LaughingStock]

 

[Wheeljack539]

Judging from the reviews that I've read in gaming press at the time this game came out, I predict that the internet shitstorm would be of biblical proportions.

I can still remember one prominent magazine giving it 6/10 and the author spending like half of a 3-page review harping on that one point and using juvenile insults towards Raiden. Those were truly different times.

You should have seen GAF during that time.

 

[Hardensoul]

What the hell! Kevin Smith literally said Netflix didn’t care because they have 280mill subs and that few thousand whiny fans doesn’t matter!

 

[Doczu]

Can't tell if satire... but if not, sorry this was some great animation. Maybe you dont watch a lot of action cartoons and such but its usually not anywhere near this good looking. And I'm more concerned with fluidity, of which there were some great sequences. That's always been the priority for me, even in video games. If it looks good to watch I don't care how many still frames are flashing through my eyes.

No, i'm being serious. The animation quality is below/on level with Castlevania. And that is me being generous.

You know which other action cartoon, which also is a re-boot of a 80s toy comercial cartoon, is top notch on the same streaming platform?

Transformers War for Cybertron. Where the animation is on a great level with voice acting that is miles better. To shit on Masters of the Universe it also has a story that is both a re-telling of the original with a modern take on it. It handles the IP with care and pushes it into a dark and mature direction. Literally everything a nostalgia driven fancof the original G1 always wanted.
Both cartoons have a 95% critics score on RT but only one didn't bomb with viewer scores.

 

[Azurro]

It baffles me how we in the modern age, now turn liking a piece of entertainment into a negative connotation, even a means of disparagement but I suppose that's the way of the world. Le sigh.

You are only saying this because you don't know our dear centipede sol_bad , he has no standards and is always shilling for absolutely everything Hollywood produces. He's earned the moniker.

 

[Davey Cakes]

I laughed when I noticed ThatStarWarsGirl posted a review of this. Totally going to be unbiased, right?

 

[sinnergy]

Can't tell if satire... but if not, sorry this was some great animation. Maybe you dont watch a lot of action cartoons and such but its usually not anywhere near this good looking. And I'm more concerned with fluidity, of which there were some great sequences. That's always been the priority for me, even in video games. If it looks good to watch I don't care how many still frames are flashing through my eyes.



I mean. Lena Headley was great. Man at Arms sounded great. Mark Hamill is always great. Scareglow was a standout to me. Teelas voice was solid too. Once you get over the familiarity with Kevin Conroy Batman I could even appreciate Mermans voice. Even thought Cringer sounded good. So yeah I'd say I was pleased by it.

Different strokes I gues

I also liked it, being a He-man fan myself , grew up in the 80s. The end was briljant, a nice take on things , it is called masters of the universe.. not He-man master of the universe..

 

[oagboghi2]

Can't tell if satire... but if not, sorry this was some great animation. Maybe you dont watch a lot of action cartoons and such but its usually not anywhere near this good looking. And I'm more concerned with fluidity, of which there were some great sequences. That's always been the priority for me, even in video games. If it looks good to watch I don't care how many still frames are flashing through my eyes.

I'm sorry, but this is untrue. There are far better animated shows on netflix alone. I wouldn't compare it well to any of the previous powerhouse netflix shows.

 

[oagboghi2]

You don't like it and that's OK but it's not poorly written at all. The characters are far more fleshed out here than the old show and the relationships between the characters is far more important and have more meaning. Missing He-Man does not = poor writing.

The Filmation version, the sequel, the 2000's, the comics, they are still all out there and can be watched and read in your preferable manner. There are fans of just the original show, there are fans of just the comics, there are fans of just the reboot, there are fans who love everything He-Man related, there are fans who hate the cartoons/comics but love the toys and there are brand new fans due to this new show. Plenty of old school fans love the new show as well. You don't get to dictate who the fans are and pretend that all fans hate it because it's simply not true.

I love Jay and Mike but your image is the poorest and laziest possible critique you can throw at someone because you don't know anything about the person you throw that image at. There is a lot of stuff I don't like but you won't see me wasting my time on here talking about it (I've probably mentioned a few times how much I hate Venom to be honest), it's pointless and a waste of energy to me. If I don't like something I just move on to something else. If you want to indulge yourself in a negative lifestyle, go for fucking gold.
You try and throw this half assed insult at me about just consuming things but here's betting that you yourself have only bothered to look at and listen to the negative reviews of this show. You just consooooooom your naysayers and blindly follow and accept what they say. Have you even bothered to look at the positive thoughts about the show and try and understand why people like it? Doubt it, because you just insult the people who like it (even though they are part of the fanbase). You aren't challenging your own thought process either mate, just sticking to whatever you believe in.
I've already stated in this thread that I listen to opposing opinions (even if they can annoy me) to get a greater understanding on things.

Me personally, I remember watching He-Man every day it was on but I can no longer remember any of the episodes. I just know the show doesn't hold up anymore.
I also owned this and more than enough figures to fill it up.

And I remember owing this.

You won't talk about stuff you dislike, but you will spend days literally arguing with people who dislike something you like, as if no one is allowed an opinion that is different from yours. You dismiss any opinion that isn't gushing praise, and have made up this retarded conspiracy in your head that Youtubers control how people think

You've been shilling for this show since page 1. We get it.

 

[docmindbender]

Had a blast watching this. Was always more of a D&D cartoon guy along with the LJN toyline. But watching Revelation has prompted me to go back and watch the classic MOTU.
Revelation is goofy fun.. aside from Teela, who is dull as tacks and near impossible to root for. But otherwise had a good time watching, and have been recommending it.

 

[Patrick S.]

Live right now, HeelvsBabyface is absolutely RAGING about how feminism and wokeness is fucking everything up

 

[Toons]

No, i'm being serious. The animation quality is below/on level with Castlevania. And that is me being generous.

You know which other action cartoon, which also is a re-boot of a 80s toy comercial cartoon, is top notch on the same streaming platform?

Transformers War for Cybertron. Where the animation is on a great level with voice acting that is miles better. To shit on Masters of the Universe it also has a story that is both a re-telling of the original with a modern take on it. It handles the IP with care and pushes it into a dark and mature direction. Literally everything a nostalgia driven fancof the original G1 always wanted.
Both cartoons have a 95% critics score on RT but only one didn't bomb with viewer scores.

Yea we must be looking for different things. Im a much bigger fan of TF but I find it's animation AND voice acting no where near this show.

Many TF fans absolutely hate it as well. I dont but id pick this over it any day.

 

[Toons]

I'm sorry, but this is untrue. There are far better animated shows on netflix alone. I wouldn't compare it well to any of the previous powerhouse netflix shows.

Untrue? Its an opinion dude lmao

 

[DeafTourette]

I think we all have to recognize that we're all seeing two different shows. Some are seeing woke, anti-male propaganda... Some are seeing a slightly more grown up version of the old toon.

I'm not wrong in liking it and you aren't wrong in NOT liking it. Like... Seriously...

 

[docmindbender]

I think we all have to recognize that we're all seeing two different shows. Some are seeing woke, anti-male propaganda... Some are seeing a slightly more grown up version of the old toon.

I'm not wrong in liking it and you aren't wrong in NOT liking it. Like... Seriously...

In the current climate people are primed to jump on the anti woke train. Which i get, honestly, given how clumsily some of these properties have been handled. But agree with you here. All the bellyaching generates a lot of chatter and clicks and serves as fuel.

 

[sol_bad]

I think that Transformers War for Cybertron looked really poor and the story was boring myself. I am not motivated to watch the second season. And I hate how the characters look exactly like the toys, kibble and all, so stupid.

 

[Davey Cakes]

In the current climate people are primed to jump on the anti woke train. Which i get, honestly, given how clumsily some of these properties have been handled. But agree with you here. All the bellyaching generates a lot of chatter and clicks and serves as fuel.

I follow the YouTube Outrage Nerds (y'all probably know who I'm talking about) and I actually understand and agree with a lot of the criticisms being thrown at Hollywood and current day media. That said, it does get repetitive after a bit and I have to step back. The negativity from these folks could generate a Ghostbusters II-esque river of slime that could consume us all.

It would be nice to have a more neutral take on all these new shows and movies based on existing properties. Not everything has to be seen through the lens of "being under SJW attack."

 

[LaughingStock]

It would be nice to have a more neutral take on all these new shows and movies based on existing properties. Not everything has to be seen through the lens of "being under SJW attack."

But nearly everything produced in the west nowadays is made through the lens of woke ideology. Are they supposed to pretend it's not there?
I agree it's tiring. The only "outraged nerd" YouTuber I still follow regularly is Gary. But this is the reality of our entertainment in 2021. Tarantino said so himself. Ideology trumps art.

I just want to be entertained, man.

Ghostbuster Afterlife is looking good. I hope to God it's not another bait and switch.

 

[LegendOfKage]

I think we all have to recognize that we're all seeing two different shows. Some are seeing woke, anti-male propaganda... Some are seeing a slightly more grown up version of the old toon.

I'm not wrong in liking it and you aren't wrong in NOT liking it. Like... Seriously...

Normally I'm fully with this mindset, and really I'm still with this mindset even here, but who likes the show and who doesn't is much less important here than Kevin Smith lying to everyone about it. I don't even care about the "bait and switch" as that's just another aspect some some might enjoy, and some might not. That's especially true considering this is only the first part of the series, but the LIE? That's another matter entirely. That's indefensible.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

I think we all have to recognize that we're all seeing two different shows. Some are seeing woke, anti-male propaganda... Some are seeing a slightly more grown up version of the old toon.

I'm not wrong in liking it and you aren't wrong in NOT liking it. Like... Seriously...

It could have been a slightly more grown up version of the old toon while having He-Man still be the main character. The fact that they had to sideline him and make a manly woman the main character says that the show is woke. And as I always say woke shows are bad usually. In this case, it did happen to be bad.

 

[DeafTourette]

It could have been a slightly more grown up version of the old toon while having He-Man still be the main character. The fact that they had to sideline him and make a manly woman the main character says that the show is woke. And as I always say woke shows are bad usually. In this case, it did happen to be bad.

The series isn't over yet. That's just the first half. Don't know when they'll release it but I'm sure that He-man makes a comeback... And Orko pulls off a Gandalf the White

 

[Great Hair]

Apparently barely any He-Man in it and more ...

Spoiler

 

[Xenon]

Kevin Smith "Grow the fuck up!"

Also Kevin Smith "We're making Clerks 3"

 

[FunkMiller]

I say this as someone who was obsessed with He-Man as a kid, the source material is god awful, and watching them attempt to find a real story in this universe is kind of more cringe than just leaning into the camp value.

I find it hilarious that so many people seem to be so invested in a show that was originally and only designed to sell toys. They literally thought all that shit up in an afternoon I have no desire to watch this show, because the original was absolute trash meant for eight year olds (Although I loved it when I was eight).

And seriously… who would let Kevin fucking Smith anywhere near anything of worth?

 

[ManaByte]

Kevin Smith Wants Angry He-Man Nerds to 'Grow the Fuck Up'

In the wake of Masters of the Universe: Revelation's debut on Netflix, showrunner Kevin Smith has responded with swear-laden candor to fans who have review-bombed the series as being "woke" for its presentation of He-Man and Prince Adam.

gizmodo.com

 

[Dr. Claus]

I think we all have to recognize that we're all seeing two different shows. Some are seeing woke, anti-male propaganda... Some are seeing a slightly more grown up version of the old toon.

I'm not wrong in liking it and you aren't wrong in NOT liking it. Like... Seriously...

No. Some people are seeing shitty writing, creators purposefully trying to piss off long time fans, and marketing that outright lies. Others are shilling for a crappy product.

 

[Doczu]

Kevin Smith Wants Angry He-Man Nerds to 'Grow the Fuck Up'

In the wake of Masters of the Universe: Revelation's debut on Netflix, showrunner Kevin Smith has responded with swear-laden candor to fans who have review-bombed the series as being "woke" for its presentation of He-Man and Prince Adam.

gizmodo.com

 

[SF Kosmo]

I find it hilarious that so many people seem to be so invested in a show that was originally and only designed to sell toys. They literally thought all that shit up in an afternoon I have no desire to watch this show, because the original was absolute trash meant for eight year olds (Although I loved it when I was eight).

And seriously… who would let Kevin fucking Smith anywhere near anything of worth?

I mean they were great as toys. They were imaginative and weird and conjured a whole alternate universe. And the little comics that came with them actually had some pretty cool Frank Frazetta inspired art.

But the show was just rock stupid. They didn't care. At least with GI Joe and Transformers they got Marvel comics involved and tried to come up with something. But He-Man was just a commercial for the new figure every week.

And now they're trying to give these characters depth and development, and like, there's still a dude named Fist-O with a giant fist.

 

[Corpsepyre]

Posted?

 

[Lanrutcon]

Posted?

Interesting!

 

[Corpsepyre]

Interesting!

Hmm, yeah. Kinda weird he'd give away that bit, but I'm intrigued.

 

[Shouta]

We all knew he wasn't dead.

 

[BadBurger]

Alright, a buddy really wanted me to join his group watch so I checked out the first two episodes. Overall I found it a little on the boring side with some questionable writing, especially the dialog and a scene in which He-Man just stands there and watches as someone is about to "end the universe". Another character reacts to the events and disclosure of certain information in a wholly unbelievable way that makes them instantly unlikeable, and they remain unlikeable through the second episode.

But, the animation is good. I agree with people saying the same. Very vivid colors and effects, magical effects really sizzle on the screen.

Knowing how the story plays out because I spoiled myself, I don't see a point in watching the rest of the episodes, and I doubt I'll watch the second part given how poor I found the writing.

 

[kunonabi]

Hmm, yeah. Kinda weird he'd give away that bit, but I'm intrigued.

After the livestream debacle he's taken a much different approach to damage control and getting people interested again.

 

[JCK75]

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I laughed when I noticed ThatStarWarsGirl posted a review of this. Totally going to be unbiased, right?

There no such thing as an unbiased reviewer. Also I dont buy people who say "why you so mad? The original was a shitshow made to sell toys to 8 year old boys" so? A good team can make a good show out of any property. Netflix's Voltron was league's better than this and that orginal show is just as bad as he man was.