How many times we heard awful things about the hardware of the PS5, without EVIDENCE and that's what this dude did. Fake concerns.
Even if it turns out that the internals were more heated and have some sort of damage, i still would [spit on the face /s ] of those who create these stupid baseless rumours, THEIR baseless WAYS usually produce a lot of misinformation and just a waste of time in endless drama. These are engineering decisions not just economical decisions, so you need certain types of tests for the data to be considered a useful/valid info. His testing method was a joke...
his clearly correct, anyone who thinks a reduced heatsink does not make the system run hotter is legit braindead and basically a science denier...
it's very simple, less material = less surface area to dissipate the heat off of the SoC = hotter running components
simple physics you can't disprove because you would literally break the laws of physics in order for this system to run at the same temperature as the original model
but it's not surprising to see fanboys demonstrating once again how retarded they are
Nope, the only one making "retarded" statements here is you unfortunately.
The function of a heatsink is to absorb and dissipate heat in a *controlled* manner. Dimensions are less important than the directionality, because ultimately its just a device to redirect thermal energy away from where its being generated to a location where it can be safely exhausted. Your assertion leads to the fallacy that having a larger fan is going to keep a system cooler regardless of its orientation, which is of course utterly wrong.
Ultimately the heatsink is just a transmissive medium, so dissipating heat across a large surface just results in more air being warmed. And of course air isn't static, so its less about volume within the chassis, but how efficiently air is moved through the chassis and safely exhausted.
Nope, the only one making "retarded" statements here is you unfortunately.
The function of a heatsink is to absorb and dissipate heat in a *controlled* manner. Dimensions are less important than the directionality, because ultimately its just a device to redirect thermal energy away from where its being generated to a location where it can be safely exhausted. Your assertion leads to the fallacy that having a larger fan is going to keep a system cooler regardless of its orientation, which is of course utterly wrong.
Ultimately the heatsink is just a transmissive medium, so dissipating heat across a large surface just results in more air being warmed. And of course air isn't static, so its less about volume within the chassis, but how efficiently air is moved through the chassis and safely exhausted.
you can use that argument if they completely redesigned the way it dissipates heat, but they didn't. all they did is put in a heatsink that is 1/3 smaller than the old one.
there is no way this one absorbs and dissipates heat faster or more efficient than the old one. there aren't more heat pipes, nor is there better material (the opposite is true)
Most ridiculous statement in this thread, well done. Consider the laws of physics broken then:
Spoiler: the biggest and heaviest CPU cooler didn't win.
There's a lot more to cooler design than mass and weight.
It's a shame that with all the facts and information available on the Internet people decide to adopt the simpleton attitide wherein bigger = better. There are plenty of scenarios where bigger ≠ better but in a lot of cases it requires critical thinking to understand why and how. No wonder the youtuber in question here has such a large following. We really are in trouble.
Thermals are so much more complex than just fucking mass
Let's see, on PS5 new revision, by OBSERVATION we see :
New fan design
Elongated/Shortened heat sink banks
Removed side fins that would go all the way to the edge of the case, now air is there
Arranged the heat sink banks as to never have more than 3 rows, only 2 max. They did everything they could in the space factor they have to only have 2 banks, not just removing mass, they, as per point 2, made sure to optimize around this limitation. It's as if there was maybe an air circulation inefficiency? A stagnant hot air pocket?
Just from these few observations, if you don't go and measure on the components ala Gamers Nexus, then you're automatically a clown if you make a youtube click bait video that just takes a thermal image of the exhaust.
You have a thermal source of 200W that when at steady state, will inevitably output 200W out via conduction, convection & radiation.
Copper was always a weird choice in my mind also for being used as a plate. Copper has good thermal conductivity, so ideally near the hot spot source where there can be rapid climbs of heat, going from OS to blasting utilization during games. You use copper that touch CPU or the pipes that go to heat sinks for the fastest transfer of heat to the heat sinks Heat sinks.. what purpose do they have? High thermal capacity and their purpose is to shed that heat in the air ASAP. So copper on a heat plate? Doesn't make too much sense? Aluminum has 3 times the thermal capacity than copper for this purpose, and that's what you want, material to shed heat FAST so that the air blower removes it out of the case. The extended heat sinks that went to touch the case also were a high concentration of conduction of heat (heat sink conduction → case/plastic → convection in outside case air. Removing that area is again a higher focus on convection (air blower).
Little hint of things to come i think. I'm pretty sure the components will end up at the same temperature or within margin of error when Gamers Nexus will test, as these chips scale on the fly with the thermal overhead they have. BUT, new system shows 205W vs old 200W. Nobody is asking why? Same components, same silicon, same manufacturing node? I'll drop a hint : Longer boost clocks due to lower soc temps. Same case as undervolting an RDNA 2 will increase the boost clocks because the thermal overhead was lowered.
It doesn't work like that, there are design specifications, there are specific tests for the inner components and for the cooling system. If you don't bring all that data into our hands we really can't form logical conclusions. We are not even Engineers, so really how are we able to understand the physics of both cooling designs without all this data presented to us? So all of this is just fake baseless drama. " physics " arguments can be presented for both positive and negative cases. Both are speculations without the complete data. If there was a common malfunction in the new version than I would side with you in these concerns without data.
you can use that argument if they completely redesigned the way it dissipates heat, but they didn't. all they did is put in a heatsink that is 1/3 smaller than the old one.
there is no way this one absorbs and dissipates heat faster or more efficient than the old one. there aren't more heat pipes, nor is there better material (the opposite is true)
Nope, you're missing the point. The heatsink is just part of the cooling apparatus, not the entirety. All it needs to do is present sufficient surface area to convect away the energy generated by the source. In this instance its the chipset, which is running at the same frequency on presumably the same fabrication node.
So, actual heat generation should be constant. Correct?
That being the case the temperature of the air exhausted is actually representative of the efficiency of the cooling solution, not the running temperature of the system. Ergo, hotter is actually better in terms of efficiency because the goal is expelling as much heat as possible.
A heatsink is not a radiator! Its transmissive, not a storage device. Judging its suitability for purpose based on how much heat it exhausts is the definition of speciousness. It might seem superficially meaningful, but if you stop and think about it, its utter bullshit.
If the heatsink was smaller and the same temperature was recorded at the exhaust then there'd be reason for concern!
Haven’t read the entirety of this thread but you cannot help but hand it to Austin on those 5+ million subs. Must be absolutely raking it in. This particular furor is probably going to do nothing but raise his profile….and I think he’s smart enough to know this.
let's say in another way...i have a Ferrari that is liquid cooled ....then the same model got revisiones and we find out that is air cooled ..in that case we find out that can tell you without any needing to prove anything that the revision is worse than the initial product. This at least speaking specifically of the construction etc. etc. It may be that the heat sink was initially oversized but imagining how much it costs to produce it i have my doubt ...
No matter if the temperature keep inside the temp guidelines (and i wnaan trust it will do)
You mean like how you reacted to reports of Xbox Series X heat issues? Yeah...ok
And you've led the charge against "PlayStation fans" and engaged in mass generalization. You want to associate every PS fan with those who supposedly made threats? Why?
You think it was Xbox fans threatening Austin over his PS5 video? I'd hate to generalize. You have any evidence it was angry Xbox fans on the hunt to defend the Sony Corp?
You think that Sony would "call out" their most die hard supporters? The ones that are responsible for so much FUD that actively helps their business? If anything sony are more likely to reward them haha.
No, what needs to stop is radical fanboys like yourself who think an opinionated comment is a bad thing and the fucking world is going to end.....YOU ARE THE PROBLEM OF THE TOXICITY SO DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO MY BOY.
Re. poll: No, I don't agree with him. The engineers obviously thought that they didn't need such a large heatsink and the extra heat from the changes was acceptable. I've never had any heat-related issues with my PS5 (in fact it runs quite cool) nor have I heard of anyone having a heat problem that didn't involve a dead or detached fan. It's just a very slightly different SKU, that's all.
You mean like how you reacted to reports of Xbox Series X heat issues? Yeah...ok
And you've led the charge against "PlayStation fans" and engaged in mass generalization. You want to associate every PS fan with those who supposedly made threats? Why?
Honestly don't get that either. If you open the post history of those who are generalizing PS fans in this thread, its a who's who of Xbox trolls/warriors so not surprised. Used to think DarkMage619
was alright but doubling down on the generalization of PS fans as the source for all negative reactions to this Evans video gets a no from me.
Digital Foundry, Jeff Grub, Gamer Nexus has all criticized Evan's video. Maybe they're all hardcore PS fans too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Evans is an cringe quality tech reviewer who seemingly knows nothing about engineering and is literally just making shit up on the spot... because of dem clicks
I'd never condone death threats, doxing and the like but the tabloid brained, reactionary idiots seem to be the exact type of market that he was aiming for with his original video. Again, I don't condone the behaviour of those idiots but if that's the market that you're catering for but unfortunately if idiots torment idiots then they're always going to get idiotic responses.
One of the major negatives of the terribly named democratising of media which allows everybody to do stuff like him means that you don;t ned to have any knowledge or skills on places like YouTube. There are some excellent channels on YouTube that I would that are what I would consider to be professional level but they are so few and far between and the sad thing is that thee YouTube does seem to benefit people who aim for his sort reactionary market which makes it so much harder for the good quality stuff sometimes.
Honestly don't get that either. If you open the post history of those who are generalizing PS fans in this thread, its a who's who of Xbox trolls/warriors so not surprised. Used to think DarkMage619
was alright but doubling down on the generalization of PS fans as the source for all negative reactions to this Evans video gets a no from me.
Digital Foundry, Jeff Grub, Gamer Nexus has all criticized Evan's video. Maybe they're all hardcore PS fans too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I am talking about PS fans on this particular story. Unless you too are trying to say it was really Xbox fans attacking him as some sort of false flag operation. I am a PS fan too and I'd figure you guys would understand I never said all PS fans were threatening Austin. Let's not be silly.
I do think it's funny you would mention Jeff Grubb though because based on some previous comments on this very forum he was an Xbox guy who can't be trusted. His picture holding an Xbox was posted over and over again. He was called a liar when he said Horizon would be delayed. It only shows how silly all this warring over game console is. Austin posted an option he should be able to do so and not have his life threatened.
It doesn't make sense to make that conclusion from using a thermal camera to measure the temperature of the exhaust.
This is PS4 exhaust at 133F or 56C. I have a launch PS4 which has lasted 8 years. I also have a launch PS4 Pro still alive and well even though both consoles can get very toasty and are notorious for having loud fans compared to PS5.
It's like saying speeding up the RPM of a disc drive by a few dozen RPM won't affect longevity of the disc drive, which is false. It shortens the longevity especially if the material constructing the drive is rated for a certain longevity at a given RPM lower than what the increased amount would resolve to.
Its like saying the XSS would have longevity issue because its exhaust reaches 67C, that is 12 degrees hotter than Austin Evans noted of the new PS5.
So no, it does not make sense to conclude that measuring 55 degree Celsius at the exhaust of any console means performance issue or longevity issues. CPUs and GPUs are made to perform nominally at upwards of 75 degrees C before you start to see performance degrade.
1. The fan will kick up to put the SoC back to nominal temp
2. Also the SoC would shut down before the temperature gets hot enough to damage anything on the chip.
This is a stress test of PS5 with the intake covered and an actual temp probe at the back of the SoC measuring 80 C and not a single frame drop or performance degradation. Notice how loud the fan gets to keep the SoC under nominal temp. So please don't defend this erroneous conclusion that the exhaust measuring 3 degrees hotter will make PS5 have performance or longevity issues.
It doesn't make sense to make that conclusion from using a thermal camera to measure the temperature of the exhaust.
This is PS4 exhaust at 133F or 56C. I have a launch PS4 which has lasted 8 years. I also have a launch PS4 Pro still alive and well even though both consoles can get very toasty and are notorious for having loud fans compared to PS5.
Its like saying the XSS would have longevity issue because its exhaust reaches 67C, that is 12 degrees hotter than Austin Evans noted of the new PS5.
So no, it does not make sense to conclude that measuring 55 degree Celsius at the exhaust of any console means performance issue or longevity issues. CPUs and GPUs are made to perform nominally at upwards of 75 degrees C before you start to see performance degrade.
1. The fan will kick up to put the SoC back to nominal temp
2. Also the SoC would shut down before the temperature gets hot enough to damage anything on the chip.
This is a stress test of PS5 with the intake covered and an actual temp probe at the back of the SoC measuring 80 C and not a single frame drop or performance degradation. Notice how loud the fan gets to keep the SoC under nominal temp. So please don't defend this erroneous conclusion that the exhaust measuring 3 degrees hotter will make PS5 have performance or longevity issues.
When you combine it with the significantly reduced size of the heat sink, common sense does kinda indicate that it will run hotter.
This guy in his video didn't say that you'd get degraded performance. He specifically addressed that in this second video. He said it seems like it runs hotter, which is a logical assumption based on the evidence.
There are some similarities for sure. PlayStation fans ran @dark10x off this site and now they are doxxing and threatening a YouTuber because they disagree with his opinion. I wonder what's wrong with having an opinion that isn't praising Sony? If you think PlayStation is the best figure you'd just play it and be happy. At least Austin actually got the system before he posted his opinion. What he said doesn't stop some else from doing their own videos on the subject.
And to that end we'll surely be getting a Digital Foundry, Gamers Nexus etc. video on this probably within the next couple of weeks. Given all the controversy that's been generated, probably some from other spots too.
Yeah the big heatsink shrink isn't the direction we would have wanted, but a few degrees difference on the exhaust air temperature isn't actually telling you anything about what temperature the internal chips are running at. If you had two equivalent systems, one had good thermal paste, one had bad, the one with good would have hotter air exiting, the one with poor would have cooler air exiting, but the temperature of the chips inside would be reversed.
It's very possible that it is what it is and less heatsink means it's running hotter overall inside, but we should at least wait to be sure, it's possible that they realized that cooling through three thicc banks of heatsink didn't leave enough airflow at the end and this way is nearly the same or even slightly better. He did mention it's even slightly quieter, and in the worst case a few degrees doesn't make it a suddenly bad console.
Yeah if they are not on the N6 process for the SoC, if there hasn't been a rearrangement of some of the motherboard components, if the fan doesn't have some factor to its design to run at a higher RPM while being quieter etc., then it's most likely that the internal thermals are slightly hotter.
Not by anything of a catastrophic amount and well within what the chips and materials can handle, but it's just been a trend the past few years for most consumer electronics to run cooler with revisions, not warmer.
Lowering of production costs like Topher
mentioned, and copper shortage. Though the latter makes me wonder if there was any access to trending data Sony could've had before deciding to include copper originally, and if so why didn't they choose a different material from the start?
If he finds 55 degree heat at the exhaust of console A to be worrying then 56 degrees or higher on console B should illicit the same negative response. Not so with this guy. His assessment of Series X heat output and PS5 is completely different. Praising Series X performance despite it running hotter and claiming PS5 heat output is an issue. Again, he's inviting people to scrutinize him with these two vastly different views.
That is actually a great thing to bring up but you have to consider that both systems are designed very differently. Series X has a much bigger fan that draws heat up from the bottom and expels it out through the top the design very clearly communicates this to an observer as well as works that way in practice. There's also a chunky heatsink nestled in there on top of the motherboard and directly under the fan.
The PS5 comparatively has a much smaller fan and a heatpipe design that would probably require someone more knowledgeable on cooling designs to understand from a deeper glance, let alone analysis of it. In that system's case the heat pipe and fan work together to "snake" heat through the system and around some components to exit through the exhaust, which is narrower in width but takes up more horizontal space along the rear.
So while the Series X may expel hotter heat (or run hotter, however you want to put it), that hotter heat seems to be going through the exhaust at the top and if the actual motherboard is running hotter, it is probably due to having two extra GDDR6 chips because the GPU for sure is clocked lower than PS5's and that would aid in generating less heat even if it is larger and may draw more power as a result.
Death threats etc are of course dead wrong but his video was complete garbage class since temperature in itself is completely meaningless. The only question is whether it maintains temperature within the specifications of the hardware. And he did not measure that at all. Given his own video history in the console space, it is hard to not see the original video, the expected backlash and his concern response as a way for him to market himself. Cynical? Yes. Likely? Yes.
I think it's safe to say it likely does. But, it could all be coming down to what his particular preference are for electronics, i.e he may want them to run cooler and the PS5 revision may or may not be bucking that trend. We'll see in due time.
Lots of YouTubers are successful without having to resort to disingenuous clickbait, just like lots of websites manage to get their content out without resorting to clickbait headlines even if Google has its own "algorithm."
If you do something dishonest because it gives you an advantage, that's fine, but you should not be shocked if you're called on it.
Giving you an example, yesterday CD Projekt had a financial conference call in which they happened to mention in passing that they plan to release the next-gen version of Cyberpunk 2077 this year, but there's always the possibility that something may happen that hinders that plan. Lots of websites, out of all the details provided titled "CD Projekt can't promise the next-gen version of Cyberpunk 2077 will come this year!" or something to that effect in the obvious attempt to clickbait and manufacture controversy out of something obvious. It's the same thing, and it should definitely warrant criticism. "The algorithm" or "Hey, gotta get some clicks to put food on the table!" is not an excuse.
Maybe it's just me but is that technically clickbait? I usually picture it as something that outright lies and misdirects you with a 180. But, mayb there's levels to this stuff :/.
That is making a lot of assumptions about what parts were available then and what is available now. There is currently a massive copper shortage and the first version had a good bit of copper in it. I wouldn't be so eager to paint Sony in a negative light without some facts first, frankly.
Fair enough, but is it not possible that Sony may've had an idea, via access to market trend data for the copper industry, that could've forewarned of an impending shortage, before they started manufacturing?
I guess they could've started too soon to know that, and it's hard to predict certain market trends with sourced components half a year in advance, so I'll admit it's probably unlikely they knew about what'd be happening with copper now when they started manufacturing PS5 last year.
The evidence is that less material to dissipate is only one of many parts of the puzzle, so that alone doesn't mean a shit. It can have less material but to be another kind of more efficient material. The fan can be now be more effective due to its design, having more free room inside the console or another reasons.
Until now we have zero evidence of the new design doing a better or worse job, and we only would know it once some dev access the sensors the console has to know the temperature of the chips and reveal its numbers. Something I think won't happen. Or well, at least to measure manuall the temperature of the SoC from inside the console manually placing an external thermal probe sensor there as done by people like Spawn Wave or others.
This guy was only spreading FUD and false rumors, so criticism is deserved.
Lowering of production costs like Topher
mentioned, and copper shortage. Though the latter makes me wonder if there was any access to trending data Sony could've had before deciding to include copper originally, and if so why didn't they choose a different material from the start?
Maybe in the original model they where cooling the system beyond what it was needed, being generous to make sure they didn't have any related issue with this. These months they may have collected data from users, which added to the one they already had, maybe allowed them to reduce cooling related costs and reduce part of the cooling itself while still keeping it in a more than fair safe zone.
Because they sold enough units to afford to review its production and release a revision. Revisions mostly mean they reduced production costs, so the faster they can make these revisions to make the product more profitable, the better for them. Specially now that there are shortages of some components, since these revisions may help them to avoid relying on some component difficult to get right now, as in this case, copper.
Cost saving revision isn't related at all with being worse. A redesign with cheaper components can be more optimized and fix some issues, and even be better because of lessons learnt with the original model, like overspending where it wasn't needed or not doing something in the best way.
I am talking about PS fans on this particular story. Unless you too are trying to say it was really Xbox fans attacking him as some sort of false flag operation. I am a PS fan too and I'd figure you guys would understand I never said all PS fans were threatening Austin. Let's not be silly.
I do think it's funny you would mention Jeff Grubb though because based on some previous comments on this very forum he was an Xbox guy who can't be trusted. His picture holding an Xbox was posted over and over again. He was called a liar when he said Horizon would be delayed. It only shows how silly all this warring over game console is. Austin posted an option he should be able to do so and not have his life threatened.
No I'm saying there are Xbox fans that called out Evans too.
Some of the guys on the forum are painting all the negativity towards Austin as solely from PS fans which is not true.
And yes I think Grubb is an Xbox fan and he also called out Evans. So clearly this mindset that this is all from PS fans is wrong. Most folks are asking valid questions of his testing methods. None of which this guy even aimed to answer but he has time to answer guys who praise his channel and work.
Like cmon man. That alone should say plenty of this guys intentions.
Also you're once again mentioning his life being threatened whereas I've said before that I don't condone such behavior and such people should fuck off to the nearest black hole. I would say this of any fans. It's toxic motherfuckers like that that ruins the fun for everyone. One of the reasons industry vets stay off forums and social media. But that's a whole other discussion.
No one is saying death threats and doxxing is ok. Everyone (or at least most people) is asking for proper methods of testing BEFORE making sweeping statements like 'New PS5 is worse'.
I mean is this so hard to understand? Instead everyone who's defending him is now throwing around the victim card left and right. He should have known he's going to receive backlash before putting out this video so it's hard for me to feel sorry for him. He's not new to all this.
EDIT: Hey lets agree to disagree. We each have our viewpoints on this debacle and I'll leave it at that.
Doesn't RDNA2 throttle at something like 110c or whatever?
Da faq is this kid on about with throttling at 56c lamo.
If your gpu runs at 50 or 70c it means jack shit when it only starts to throttle at 100c. It means nothing.
Also CPU sits at 85c throttling so in short zero problems there.
Dude is getting flack because he lacks knowledge about the subject, decided to create a clickbait video and get the wrath of the internet on his shoulders now as result.
Doesn't RDNA2 throttle at something like 110c or whatever?
Da faq is this kid on about with throttling at 56c lamo.
If your gpu runs at 50 or 70c it means jack shit when it only starts to throttle at 100c. It means nothing.
Also CPU sits at 85c throttling so in short zero problems there.
Dude is getting flack because he lacks knowledge about the subject, decided to create a clickbait video and get the wrath of the internet on his shoulders now as result.
That is the unfortunate result of his video. I mean the death threats and doxxing otherwise there was perfectly legitimate questions posed to him about the video.
No I'm saying there are Xbox fans that called out Evans too.
Some of the guys on the forum are painting all the negativity towards Austin as solely from PS fans which is not true.
And yes I think Grubb is an Xbox fan and he also called out Evans. So clearly this mindset that this is all from PS fans is wrong. Most folks are asking valid questions of his testing methods. None of which this guy even aimed to answer but he has time to answer guys who praise his channel and work.
Like cmon man. That alone should say plenty of this guys intentions.
Also you're once again mentioning his life being threatened whereas I've said before that I don't condone such behavior and such people should fuck off to the nearest black hole. I would say this of any fans. It's toxic motherfuckers like that that ruins the fun for everyone. One of the reasons industry vets stay off forums and social media. But that's a whole other discussion.
No one is saying death threats and doxxing is ok. Everyone (or at least most people) is asking for proper methods of testing BEFORE making sweeping statements like 'New PS5 is worse'.
I mean is this so hard to understand? Instead everyone who's defending him is now throwing around the victim card left and right. He should have known he's going to receive backlash before putting out this video so it's hard for me to feel sorry for him. He's not new to all this.
EDIT: Hey lets agree to disagree. We each have our viewpoints on this debacle and I'll leave it at that.
Uh I don't necessarily agree with Austin either. I am saying that it wasn't Xbox fans threatening his life. Plenty of people disagree with him that isn't the problem and I've said as much. The only thing we should agree on is people should not be threatened just because you don't agree with them. Whether or not you agree with his overall premise isn't that important. For the record Grubb is a Nintendo fan.
Maybe it's just me but is that technically clickbait? I usually picture it as something that outright lies and misdirects you with a 180. But, mayb there's levels to this stuff :/.
Clickbait can be subtler. It's something designed to make you click on something that you possibly would not, commonly by abusing hyperbole and/or implying controversy where there's none. This is exactly what this YouTuber has done.
Even with the lack of information we have about the heat sink at the moment, without any information at all on changes to the TIM we know nothing as the TIM itself can greatly affect the efficiency of the heat dissipation. I only watched a minute or so of that idiots video but does he actually test the TIM in any way?
I would assume not as his methodology that I saw was pointing his phone at a console which I still find really confusing.
There's just so little information at the moment to know anything and even the size reduction of the heat sink is only useful for judging the size of the heat sink without several other metrics being taken into account.
Thermals are so much more complex than just fucking mass
Let's see, on PS5 new revision, by OBSERVATION we see :
New fan design
Elongated/Shortened heat sink banks
Removed side fins that would go all the way to the edge of the case, now air is there
Arranged the heat sink banks as to never have more than 3 rows, only 2 max. They did everything they could in the space factor they have to only have 2 banks, not just removing mass, they, as per point 2, made sure to optimize around this limitation. It's as if there was maybe an air circulation inefficiency? A stagnant hot air pocket?
Just from these few observations, if you don't go and measure on the components ala Gamers Nexus, then you're automatically a clown if you make a youtube click bait video that just takes a thermal image of the exhaust.
You have a thermal source of 200W that when at steady state, will inevitably output 200W out via conduction, convection & radiation.
Copper was always a weird choice in my mind also for being used as a plate. Copper has good thermal conductivity, so ideally near the hot spot source where there can be rapid climbs of heat, going from OS to blasting utilization during games. You use copper that touch CPU or the pipes that go to heat sinks for the fastest transfer of heat to the heat sinks Heat sinks.. what purpose do they have? High thermal capacity and their purpose is to shed that heat in the air ASAP. So copper on a heat plate? Doesn't make too much sense? Aluminum has 3 times the thermal capacity than copper for this purpose, and that's what you want, material to shed heat FAST so that the air blower removes it out of the case. The extended heat sinks that went to touch the case also were a high concentration of conduction of heat (heat sink conduction → case/plastic → convection in outside case air. Removing that area is again a higher focus on convection (air blower).
Little hint of things to come i think. I'm pretty sure the components will end up at the same temperature or within margin of error when Gamers Nexus will test, as these chips scale on the fly with the thermal overhead they have. BUT, new system shows 205W vs old 200W. Nobody is asking why? Same components, same silicon, same manufacturing node? I'll drop a hint : Longer boost clocks due to lower soc temps. Same case as undervolting an RDNA 2 will increase the boost clocks because the thermal overhead was lowered.
He's partially right. The APU temps are unknown until someone, somehow gets to run diagnostic tools that will show the temp readings on the screen. But he's right that more cooling = better.
Series X has a much bigger fan that draws heat up from the bottom and expels it out through the top the design very clearly communicates this to an observer as well as works that way in practice. There's also a chunky heatsink nestled in there on top of the motherboard and directly under the fan.
He's partially right. The APU temps are unknown until someone, somehow gets to run diagnostic tools that will show the temp readings on the screen. But he's right that more cooling = better.
Better designed cooling, right material choice, … = better. We will see what proper tests bring. Despite the horrible unjustifiable reaction some toxic people threw at him, it does not mean his original video was not him jumping at conclusions for console war clicks.
”Common sense” is the death of actual intellectual curiosity of which all scientific investigation is based upon.
I find it funny that both you and Austin Evans uses this argument as if it was useful when the criticism towards him is based around making assumptions based on flawed research with not enough measurements to support the conclusion on which his assumption rests.
by 'This guy' you mean Austin? Because if yes, then please listen to the parts 4:14 and 11:11 of the initial video, where this guy mentions this increase may/will decrease the performance
Imagine thinking any of this is impactful or important to our lives; to the extent where people are being threatened, or, conversely, to the extent that this guy feels the need to defend an opinion (which is kind of an apology, which Twitter has taught us you should almost never do). At least video games—their discussion, enjoyment and merits as art—have a certain depth. This is Kardashian levels of stupid.
The only thing this proves is that heat is leaving the box easier in that one spot.
The machine takes same power outlet wattage. It produces the exact same heat by the chip.
No matter what heatsink you put in there, small, big, or whatever, 200 watt is 200 watt. The fact that you have 3c higher exhaust just means it's dusted off and air travels a bit easier/faster in this spot.
Size of the heatsink has nothing to do with it.
When you combine it with the significantly reduced size of the heat sink, common sense does kinda indicate that it will run hotter.
This guy in his video didn't say that you'd get degraded performance. He specifically addressed that in this second video. He said it seems like it runs hotter, which is a logical assumption based on the evidence.
