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It is true way way way more often than not in a similarly designed heatsink.
But shouldn't a person know to check the temps of the chips to know if the new product is worse than the OG product? Rather than the exhaust temps?
It is true way way way more often than not in a similarly designed heatsink.
People like Gamer Nexus has a track record for testing PC components.Do you assume all these things for other people's videos? Does he have a track record of doing these things? I've only seen 2 of his videos. The tear down and the ps5 review. The ps5 review was pretty glowing.
First the fan looks like it can move more air at a lower speed. I'm not an aerodynamic expert so I can only guess. Second you are jumping to ridiculous conclusions. If the APU was 20° under spec and now it's 15° under you don't need to change fan speed at all. Put the 2 ps5s into a 50° room or an insulated box is the way to test since it's current operating temperature is probably still quite a bit below critical.
People like Gamer Nexus has a track record for testing PC components.
Now look at Austin Evans videos and tell me if his track record is good at testing PC components.
Both PS5 chips produces the same heat because the heat they produce are tied to power draw and not frequency. If the exhaust heat is higher than the old model and fan speed is lower, it means heat transfer from the chip is better.
It's the fan speed that determines how hot the the internal temperature of consoles/PCs is, not exhaust heat.
Also, a larger heatsink maybe less efficient if it doesn't have proper airflow. You start to get diminishing returns if the air can't flow through all the fins fast enough. Which is my guess why Sony reduced the fin stack at the bottom left.
Gamer Nexus did a airflow test that shows the airflow of the PS5 is mostly in the middle.
Now when you look at both heatsinks you can see the redesign heatsink looks more balanced in terms of airflow through all fins.
As for all the copper that was removed, was it really needed?
Take a look at GPU heatsinks. They don't have all that copper cold plate, just needs enough to cover the chip itself.
To say the PS5 has a worst cooling doesn't make much sense. Especially when it still uses liquid metal and the fan doesn't ramp up.
There buddy, "FOR SCIENCE"This will only happen if you literally try and force it to shut off by completely disconnecting the fan or something, no sane person would do something like this.
There buddy, "FOR SCIENCE"
LOLAccording to Austin, the Thermal Paste PS5 is better because it has cooler exhaust heat @43°c vs 52°c for the Liquid Metal PS5.
Makes you wonder about that new PS5 model with a exhaust temperature of 55°c.
Lol the irony.Insane he got doxxed. The fanboy is strong in the PlayStation community.
When you develop stuff, on paper things always look perfect. But then things are different in real life scenarios, where millions of people act in many ways you didn't consider, so getting data from millions of users is very useful.Fair enough point, but should they not have already collected this data before launch?
Well, in theory they aren't QA beta testers, the original console was supposed to work properly thats to that simulations and internal tests and QA. And then revisions or firmware updates just iterate and maybe optimize or tweak some stuff using real life data.But IMO something like this shouldn't have what seemingly amounts to purchasing customers acting as QA beta testers providing data the company would've needed to collect internally through elaborate internal simulations/tests.
We also have to remember that throttling works in another way in PS5. Remember that video of the guy artificially causing the console to overhead and still was working well.In suitable conditions yeah. I think Austin implying a throttle situation at 53 degree Celsius was ridiculous tbh; even if the system had absolutely terrible cooling (which it doesn't), it'd need to hit a lot higher than that to begin throttling, though in such a case throttle point would occur before its max rated temperature limit, for sure.
But it still draws the same from the wall while exhausting air more efficiently.I’ve rarely seen so many people stick their head in the sand on cue. None of them cares whether the new PS5s are actually hotter. They just hate the idea that it might be as well as anybody who expresses it, whether they can back it up or not.
The notion that a smaller and cheaper cooling apparatus that covers a smaller surface and produces a hotter output(all facts) is actually more performant defies logic. He’s right to say it’s against the law of physics. I don’t know if it is risking to lower the system performance but because of the architecture that Sony freely chose, it is at least a possibility in this instance. I’m glad I have the original ps5. It might be worth a lot one day at the rate that Sony is going.
It is definitely good for Sony as it reduces their per unit cost and this with same sale price means more profit per unit. It is not that they reduce cost because they use less high quality materials, price is same, just more of the same greedy Sony for you. It is not win for the players, as you getting hardware with lower quality materials and paying same price as people who bought launch console that was using better quality materials.This doesn't make any sense...
How is wasting resources good?
If they can reduce the amount of copper and still keep the performance, it's good for everybody.
Breaking News!
PS5s were not scalped, they were hoarded for copper!
Well, no console is immune to this, not even the new Xboxes. Defective units are a thing and/or user negligence can also be easily at play in those cases.There is many cases of just bad airflow causing the overheat screen on ps5. Austin also specifically said in the case of poor airflow and dust and dirt.
This is if you're assuming (like Austin) that it's 5°C hotter inside, hotter exhaust doesn't mean the internals are hotter though. It could be the other way around. There are two TronicsFix's vids that show this.If this is the case bad airflow and dust and dirt over time then 5° could be an issue.
Me neither, but Tommi84 here posted the timestamp saying that it was him.I believe it was his guest who said the clocks stuff, but I'm not watching it again to confirm.
by 'This guy' you mean Austin? Because if yes, then please listen to the parts 4:14 and 11:11 of the initial video, where this guy mentions this increase may/will decrease the performance
You mean like the video title which alone makes this statement: "The New PS5 is Worse"? And then doubling down on it running hotter in the second vid?None of what he said was a general statement
Because he's a bullshitter and wanted to generate clicks by spreading FUD with shitty claims like the clocks will throttle and reduce perf simply because the cooler is changed.He also said Sony knows what they are doing and it probably is still well within spec, but it's also still the poorer version.
Why are none of his caveats ever mentioned in this thread?
Yeah Microsoft doesn't reduce xbox cost over the years, they are pro consumers... what a clown sentence, doesn't change anything for the consumers.It is definitely good for Sony as it reduces their per unit cost and this with same sale price means more profit per unit. It is not that they reduce cost because they use less high quality materials, price is same, just more of the same greedy Sony for you. It is not win for the players, as you getting hardware with lower quality materials and paying same price as people who bought launch console that was using better quality materials.
It is definitely good for Sony as it reduces their per unit cost and this with same sale price means more profit per unit. It is not that they reduce cost because they use less high quality materials, price is same, just more of the same greedy Sony for you. It is not win for the players, as you getting hardware with lower quality materials and paying same price as people who bought launch console that was using better quality materials.
According to Austin, the Thermal Paste PS5 is better because it has cooler exhaust heat @43°c vs 52°c for the Liquid Metal PS5.
We don't know if the heatsink is more effective or less effective, it's a redesign.It is definitely good for Sony as it reduces their per unit cost and this with same sale price means more profit per unit. It is not that they reduce cost because they use less high quality materials, price is same, just more of the same greedy Sony for you. It is not win for the players, as you getting hardware with lower quality materials and paying same price as people who bought launch console that was using better quality materials.
There was a guy here on GAF who got a self requested ban after embarrassing himself making a big deal about premium packaging materials when competition was according to him cheaping out by using almost all recyclable material.
RIP X-Fighter
It also reduces the transport costs, but where is the problem? Sony will save tens of millions and it's good for the environment. Would it be nice if Sony would give some of it back to the customers? Sure, but at the and of the day they are a huge company and all they want is making money, no matter what slogan they have.It is definitely good for Sony as it reduces their per unit cost and this with same sale price means more profit per unit. It is not that they reduce cost because they use less high quality materials, price is same, just more of the same greedy Sony for you. It is not win for the players, as you getting hardware with lower quality materials and paying same price as people who bought launch console that was using better quality materials.
Will never Happen. This garbage Channels generate clicks and money even If they are misleading. YouTube doesn't give a fuck how they generate the clicks and money.Any time you see a Austin Evans video, most likely you need to report it to YouTube as misleading. Take his stuff down.
How can it be hotter and still be quieter?
For all we know, he could have faked some things in that video.
This might be a stupid question - but could the liquid metal one be hotter because heat is transferred better?What a moron. 'Nuff said.
Except the PS5 cooling is designed around power not frequency.Have you ever heard of graphics cards with a bios Switch?
In silent mode the cards runs in lower clock frequencies with slower spinning fans and increased temperatures.
This might be a stupid question - but could the liquid metal one be hotter because heat is transferred better?
Exactly, so with that being said.This might be a stupid question - but could the liquid metal one be hotter because heat is transferred better?
Exactly, so with that being said.
Wouldn't that imply that the new model PS5 exhaust is hotter because of better heat transfer?
With all the research and test many of us has found. Hotter exhaust = better heat transfer and louder fan noise/fan ramping up = hotter internal.
Some tests even shows the fan ramping up while having lower exhaust heat. Which implies hotter internal heat and lower heat transfer.
Exactly, so with that being said.
Wouldn't that imply that the new model PS5 exhaust is hotter because of better heat transfer?
This is tricky, materials are the same.
What we think is that new model has better air flow, and if that's the case than shouldn't this better airflow cool the heatsink faster resulting on a lower temperature exhaust?
This is tricky, materials are the same.
What we think is that new model has better air flow, and if that's the case than shouldn't this better airflow cool the heatsink faster resulting on a lower temperature exhaust?
Pretty sure you said it was a coil whine...Considering my ps5 sounded like a jet engine can’t see how the new one can possible be worse.
He showed facts but told lies.He only showed facts, I don't see why several people criticize him.
It's not like he's photoshopped the heatsink size or lied about the temperature measurements.
Considering my ps5 sounded like a jet engine can’t see how the new one can possible be worse.
Considering my ps5 sounded like a jet engine can’t see how the new one can possible be worse.
A jet engine hey lol, HAHAConsidering my ps5 sounded like a jet engine can’t see how the new one can possible be worse.
Considering my ps5 sounded like a jet engine can’t see how the new one can possible be worse.
Someone else problem now, it’s gone along with the burn mark on the outer shellYour PS5 is probably defective. You should contact Sony about it since that level of noise isn't anywhere near normal.
You should hear my 3080 fe. Every game at 4k uses 100% of gpu and the card is running 80c at 2000rpm. The pc if flying offConsidering my ps5 sounded like a jet engine can’t see how the new one can possible be worse.
Someone else problem now, it’s gone along with the burn mark on the outer shell
Didn't know you burnt it with a lighter. You really shouldn't treat your systems like that.
adds to the resell value, gotta get every penny
Yeah was so loud I put it in the oven so didn’t have to hear it but forgot to turn it off…. Me so stupidWell makes sense why you didn't contact Sony if you broke the system yourself.
Yeah was so loud I put it in the oven so didn’t have to hear it but forgot to turn it off…. Me so stupid
Thanks for setting me free, I’m really an AI developed by M$ in the 70s….At least your finally admitting it. I guess you never really had a loud PS5.
Didn't know you burnt it with a lighter. You really shouldn't treat your systems like that.