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[xrnzaaas]

In my opinion MS gave away 1$ subs (or other dirt cheap ones) too many times and some people will just get used to it and wait for similar deals before deciding to renew the membership. I'm not saying they shouldn't be promoting the service with cheap subs to let people test what it offers, but I think they went in too aggressive trying to gain subs at all cost and thinking they'll stay.

And fyi I'm not a hater, I actually think they've been delivering very strong games almost every month. For me personally they don't have to be big first party games to make it a great offering.

 

[MikeM]

Been a sub to the ultimate service for about a year now on the $1 GP conversion. While its good, it hasn’t wowed me. I’ll see how the next year goes but i’m 50/50 on keeping it after.
Sometimes I feel that money would be better spent on games I actually want, and not a library i’m 98% not interested in.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Why is their so much thirst on gaf for Gamepass to fail

Because other gamers dont like seeing GP subbers playing games for cheap.

Since gamers as a whole are anti-corporate at game makers, you'd think they'd be happy gamers are getting a good deal instead of being bumped up to $70 US game, but some gamers want to pay more.

 

[Kiraly]

• Just today it announced 11 more notable releases for the service for this month alone.

Follow that link and try not to laugh!

You just can't help yourself, can you?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Bryank75 said:

• Just today it announced 11 more notable releases for the service for this month alone.

Follow that link and try not to laugh!

Seriously?

Age of Empires alone is kick ass

 

[Bryank75]

You just can't help yourself, can you?

Hit that manly report button! You'll feel good!

 

[octiny]

Hit that manly report button! You'll feel good!

I mean, to be fair. If Jim Ryan was on here, you would've reported him about 5,000 times by now.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

In my opinion MS gave away 1$ subs (or other dirt cheap ones) too many times and some people will just get used to it and wait for similar deals before deciding to renew the membership. I'm not saying they shouldn't be promoting the service with cheap subs to let people test what it offers, but I think they went in too aggressive trying to gain subs at all cost and thinking they'll stay.

And fyi I'm not a hater, I actually think they've been delivering very strong games almost every month. For me personally they don't have to be big first party games to make it a great offering.

Possibly.

But if that's the case why has NF got tons of subbers paying money when people could had just spammed new emails to get free months of NF?

The free month thing disappeared a years or two ago I think. Subs are still going up at full price.

If people were that cheap, the active sub count drop drop like a rock as all the people spamming free accounts cant do it anymore.

 

[Interfectum]

 

[Bryank75]

I mean, to be fair. If Jim Ryan was on here, you would've reported him about 5,000 times by now.

Nah, I barely report anyone ever.... I'd say I used it maybe 3 times.

 

[reksveks]

Doing simple maths but that's still an 2.5482:1 increase in subs over the last two years.

I stupidly want to see what if they had hit their targets so 1.71*1.48 = 2.5308:1 over two years.

As a shareholder, I suspect that 2x per 2 years is what I am expecting based off Netflix growth.

Netflix Subscriber and Growth Statistics: How Many People Watch Netflix in 2023?

Key Netfilx user stats. Includes data on subscribers, revenue, original content and more.

backlinko.com

Netflix Revenue 2010-2023 | NFLX

Netflix annual/quarterly revenue history and growth rate from 2010 to 2023. Revenue can be defined as the amount of money a company receives from its customers in exchange for the sales of goods or services. Revenue is the top line item on an income statement from which all costs and expenses...

www.macrotrends.net

 

[Exanthus]

Why is their so much thirst on gaf for Gamepass to fail

We would ask. But the majority of them have just come off bans

 

[Bryank75]

We would ask. But the majority of them have just come off bans

Manly bans.... I expect to have 'manly bans' on this ban. I'm just waiting.

 

[I'm nobody]

Get it to Steam and on the Switch and it'll explode.

Halo and Forza will also push the numbers up.

Pc has more games overall and still can't make up numbers

 

[itsjustJEFF]

I can't believe they're disappointed by a 37% increase 37% is pretty damn good, but I guess not compared to 48%. Those projections tho... very ambitious.

 

[Ezekiel_]

I also love gamepass and agree just wait until Halo and FH5 hits

With Halo MP being Free to play, no subs required, will it really drive up the sub numbers of GamePass ? Isn't the Multiplayer the major part of that game ? We still haven't seen the state of the singleplayer component...

 

[Exanthus]

With Halo MP being Free to play, no subs required, will it really drive up the sub numbers of GamePass ? Isn't the Multiplayer the major part of that game ? We still haven't seen the state of the singleplayer component...

FH5 would, only those who really care for the story of Halo would drive that number.

 

[FrankWza]

 

[Solidsnake_1]

if they want more growth they should give free gamepass in more counteries .

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

With Halo MP being Free to play, no subs required, will it really drive up the sub numbers of GamePass ? Isn't the Multiplayer the major part of that game ? We still haven't seen the state of the singleplayer component...

The thirst for Halo is real people will buy a month of GP just to play the campaign as I know some who are just waiting for Halo and FH5 just to reup a month to try them

 

[Duchess]

Why is their so much thirst on gaf for Gamepass to fail

One or more of the following:

* They're hardcore Sony / Nintendo fans, who are jealous a service like this doesn't exist on their preferred system.

* They don't like MS and want to see MS fail at basically anything.

* They don't want these types of services to become a thing, as it could lead to publishers creating their own sub services and/or filling these things with total shovelware.

 

[Kagey K]

I can't believe they're disappointed by a 37% increase 37% is pretty damn good, but I guess not compared to 48%. Those projections tho... very ambitious.

They also expected Halo Infinite to be out last year when they set those projections.

That one delay probably cost them a bunch of subscribers they had anticipated with that launch.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

They also expected Halo Infinite to be out last year when they set those projections.

That one delay probably cost them a bunch of subscribers they had anticipated with that launch.

I agree with that. But, that's the thing about projections... how about you adjust them?!?! Those are great numbers.

 

[GHG]

Did try to tell everyone a while back that growth isn't linear.

Some people here were talking as if they could keep on growing subs 80% a year. That's not how it works. Growth is almost always front loaded.

 

[just_like_that]

good

 

[Kagey K]

good

I agree 37% growth is still really good.

 

[prinz_valium]

I mean...as soon as i heard of them giving away Gamepass subscriptions for free in India for like 8 months it was kinda telling.
I wonder how much MS has invested on Gamepass so far.

Only to existing subscribers because of a law change

 

[kyoji]

They also expected Halo Infinite to be out last year when they set those projections.

That one delay probably cost them a bunch of subscribers they had anticipated with that launch.

Yea… but isnt it pretty dangerous to center forecasts for a sub service around one game? Sub services are centric around a constant flow of content ‘plural’

 

[PropellerEar]

Age of Empires, can't wait!

Wololoo!

 

[Aguero9320]

37% growth is phenomenal, particularly without any major 1st party releases (the cornerstone of the Gamepass strategy) and a complete lack of consoles on shelves. Ridiculous to consider that a failure.

Is 48% higher than 37%? Yes, undeniably. But if they’d hit 48% then 58% would have been higher…

Should anyone who wants Gamepass to fail feel good about 37% growth of an already big number? Of course not

 

[reksveks]

but isnt it pretty dangerous to center forecasts for a sub service around one game? Sub services are centric around a constant flow of content ‘plural’

Yeah but that's why they bought Bethesda

 

[GHG]

Fantastic, the game pass model is bad for gamers, third party developers and the Xbox console. It’s only good for Microsoft and its investors.

let it fail.

until now growth was sustained with incredibly discounted subscriptions

It's questionable as to whether it's good for investors. This is not a cheap endeavour. At some point the big money will turn round and tell them "show me the money".

The benefit Microsoft has over the likes of Spotify and Netflix though is the fact that the rest of the company is a behemoth so they are well equipped to absorb this type of burden. There are not many other companies that can do that and get away with it. The likes of Apple, Amazon and Google can but there are not many others.

Eventually the chickens will come home to roost for the likes of Netflix and Spotify as far as their respective stocks are concerned.

 

[Kilau]

I can’t imagine having an Xbox and not having game pass to go with it. It started a little shaky in my view but it’s been crazy good for awhile now.

 

[Dabaus]

Halo 3 and reach are probably the best halos ever made and they’re already on the service and I doubt infinite is going to be better than them. And the multiplayer is free to play, they’re probably not going to see that big an influx from halo infinite.

 

[Tommi84]

Why is their so much thirst on gaf for Gamepass to fail

You want all the gaming companies to adopt subscription service as the base of their operation? I don't.

 

[kyoji]

Yeah but that's why they bought Bethesda

I get looking foward to the future is cool, but business is business and the present always takes precedence.

 

[JackSparr0w]

Pc has more games overall and still can't make up numbers

The PC app is dreadful though and its putting off pc gamers.

 

[reksveks]

business is business and the present always takes precedence.

Might have wanted to tell that to Bezos 10-15 years ago.

Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.

PS the point was the purchase of Bethesda was to ensure that they had a pipeline that constantly produced games. Xbox is getting two exclusives next year from Bethesda going on gamepass.

 

[Kagey K]

Yea… but isnt it pretty dangerous to center forecasts for a sub service around one game? Sub services are centric around a constant flow of content ‘plural’

Last year it makes sense to put big stock in it, because it would have been a cornerstone of next gen and Gamepass.

This year it weighs a little less because they’ve had some other substantial games come day 1 and stuff like FH5 to take some of the pressure off Halo carrying the whole load.

 

[plasmawave]

Every time I see third party games going day 1 on Gamepass I think "they must have no confidence in that game".

 

[bender]

I mean...as soon as i heard of them giving away Gamepass subscriptions for free in India for like 8 months it was kinda telling.
I wonder how much MS has invested on Gamepass so far.

About tree fiddy.

 

[amstradcpc]

Yeah but that's why they bought Bethesda

And thats why its cost is way bigger. Execs losing their bonus (it means shareholders want profits fast from it) for this will make them get rid of it soon.

 

[Darlingcognito]

Without

Halo infinite
FH5
Starfield
Redfall

Looking good!

 

[Arenafighter]

Ohh myyy that thread headline

 

[reksveks]

thats why its cost is way bigger

I don't know what the operating cost of Bethesda is and no one does yet. We should hopefully be able to see if there is an significant impact in the next month with the updated earning call.

 

[GHG]

Yea… but isnt it pretty dangerous to center forecasts for a sub service around one game? Sub services are centric around a constant flow of content ‘plural’

It's not too uncommon. The idea is that you have one "flagship" piece of content a quarter that acts as a catalyst for subscriber growth.

However the difficulty is always retaining those new customers who have signed up for a single reason.

 

[Justin9mm]

Xbox have a great console and a great subscription service but still no games! They never learn!

 

[KyoZz]

Manly bans.... I expect to have 'manly bans' on this ban. I'm just waiting.

On topic: so many pro here that seems to know how Microsoft is thinking lmao.

 

[kyoji]

What are the sub numbers?

 

[Hendrick's]

This thread is like a wet dream made reality for so many. Let’s all pretend it’s a failed platform because it didn’t grow quite as much as projected. Will be an enjoyable read.