Saint Boot
Banned
Who is this guy again? He sounds worse at video games than even me.
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Kiddo Cabbusses
Member
he is STILL on to it??What makes this even funnier is the title of his latest Metroid video:
Okay, it's clear now that this is an attention-grab grift.
He should be fired over this, he's insulting his own peers.
tmlDan
Member
Fired from what? he's retired lol
Kiddo Cabbusses
Member
He makes YouTube content and the attempt at attention towards the channel he puts content on is almost certainly for financial gain either from monetization revenue or sponsorship deals, and he's even still in videogames. How the heck is that "retired"?
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
It definitely is. Remember the whole "6ix9ine" debacle? It has showed us that getting a lot attention doesn't automatically result in respect, neither does it result into longevity. He only was relevant for his antics, but his songs didn't have any staying power. He charted high, and fell off of soon after, until he did the next stupid thing. No one was really listening to him, they only wanted to see the clown do his thing.
Getting a rise out of people by selling controversy is nothing new, but if it's literally all have to offer, then you will end as a one trick pony and in the long run you've haven't earned much, and most certainly not a fanbase.
Same applies here. Jaffe now has attention, which is why he is milking this, but he won't earn any respect and most certainly won't win any fans over this.
he is STILL on to it??
The dude just wants metroid to be Contra or some other platformer with guns. I don't understand why he wants to phase out metroid's formula that many people still love.
Exploration and the testing of the environment is still fun for many of us.
Him finding that Nintendo put out a video to make the game's objective more explicit for a wider audience doesn't mean the game has a bad design. It's more of an equivalent to a booster seat that allows babies to sit at a well designed table for adults.
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Fredrik
Member
As a fellow older gamer I can relate to struggling with games some have zero problems with. But he should’ve walked away a long time ago. It’s clearly not for him. Could’ve used the time to play something he actually like instead.
I’m closing in on my 100% run now, gray beard and all, it’s not a piece of cake but it’s definitely doable even for us oldies.
GOTY
I’m closing in on my 100% run now, gray beard and all, it’s not a piece of cake but it’s definitely doable even for us oldies.
GOTY
bender
What time is it?
He should fire himself. Afterwards he should have a stern talking to himself and then be sent to bed right after dinner. Absolutely no dessert either.
Kamina
Golden Boy
he is STILL on to it??
“Let me just say this, let me just say this,…”
Kendrick Lamar: Be humble, sit down
The Eradicator
Member
There's some times where you can point to specific things that ARE badly designed, though. If you can articulate the reasons why, it's not "lazy".
One example this year that springs to mind is the end game design from Outriders, wherein the developers forced everyone into a pure DPS glass cannon build if they wanted to have a chance of getting the best drops in a run. By making everything based solely on completion time, they removed the ability for players to have tank or healer builds, because there was simply no way for players to finish the challenges under the time limits, if they wanted to get a Gold tier drop (and the drop rates were remarkably stingy anyways). For a game that had a ton of good mods to customize your character, the end game was most definitely "bad game design".
bender
What time is it?
Well, of course. But I don't think that is what we are talking about here. Dread has design choices from a series that pioneered a genre. You can dislike those design choices and wish it were modernized, but that doesn't make it bad design. It's like comparing modern open world designs to the games that proceeded them that lacked in game maps, quest markers and fast travel. I understand why those modern niceties are appreciated, but I personally loathe them. What good is an open world if you can't be lost? My expectations of the genre is just different and counters what a modern audience wants and what modern designers are trying to accomplish. I don't think design philosophy is bad.
And again, I struggle to understand how anyone can be lost in Dread. It funnels down the critical path. I'm not a super skilled gamer either. And I'm not defending Dread either, it's mostly just an okay game.
Since you mentioned Outriders, I'd say that is a bad game that has a few really, really good ideas in it. The loot customization system is amazing.
Spaceman292
Banned
I actually think it's the overwhelming majority that's giving him shit for this.
bender
What time is it?
I'd argue the majority of anyone's audience probably doesn't post comments or on gaming forums. Even if the majority of Jaffe's audience disagrees with him in this scenario, they are more apt to shrug and move on than to kick internet rocks at him.
The Eradicator
Member
Yeah, most people don't leave comments, but have you seen the dislike ratio on some of his Metroid videos? It's an overwhelming majority negative
Spaceman292
Banned
Take a look at the comments to the video. I had a hard time finding a positive one.
bender
What time is it?
That's human nature. Bitch and complain vocally when you feel slighted and stay silent when things are satisfactory or better. Negative comments aren't surprising but unless the ratio of views to comments is 1:1, it doesn't mean much.
Spaceman292
Banned
It's pretty pointless speculating on what the people who don't engage in the conversation think.
tommib
Member
he is STILL on to it??
Oh man, the cringe is off the charts.
And he’s honest enough at the end to call us all moronic for raising up video engagement, subscriber numbers and revenue.
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bender
What time is it?
As is listening to the internet lynch mob.
Stefan.North
Member
Played through the game a third time and first hard mode playtrhough.
The room he b*tched on about has both two crawling enemies on a breakable wall and two flying enemies above the same. Also have breakable blocks different shadow. What do his advocates expect, how should a game signal something without making it insultingly handholding?
He just complains because he is awful at games and a spoiled child in a adult body.
The room he b*tched on about has both two crawling enemies on a breakable wall and two flying enemies above the same. Also have breakable blocks different shadow. What do his advocates expect, how should a game signal something without making it insultingly handholding?
He just complains because he is awful at games and a spoiled child in a adult body.
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Fredrik
Member
Yeah dislikes unfortunately pays the bills as well on Youtube. But he could’ve just bought some stocks if that’s his motivation, and spent the time playing something he actually like, the earnings from one single Nvidia stock during October alone would’ve payed for Dread.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
I 100% believe what I'm saying and I've defended it time and again and the people who try to offer explanations for why I am wrong don't offer any compelling logic as to why.
And yes, at THIS point, sure: doing it for clicks and for fun. I said what I needed to say in the FIRST video. But I won't lie: of course it's fun to give back some of the trolling and pushback I'm getting. What? I'm just supposed to take it? I don't think so
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Bragr
Banned
You have to do this on YouTube to grow your channel, everyone else does, it's how social media works.
I think that most of Jaffe's content is great, but of course, he doesn't hesitate to play "the violin", go on angry rants and make clickbait videos once in a while.
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Y cant Metroid crawl by David Jaffe
Spaceman292
Banned
Discussion about video games in a youtube comments section isn't a lynch mob. They're the people actually talking. Is everyone who has a dissenting opinion a lynch mob?
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It's all in the wrist
Member
I take back what I said after playing through the game. Jaffe is being dramatic lol.
The game is great. Blocks hidden in the geometry is not my favorite design choice, but it has only stumped me twice, and briefly at that.
The game is great. Blocks hidden in the geometry is not my favorite design choice, but it has only stumped me twice, and briefly at that.
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Fredrik
Member
I think you’re wrong but I’m as gray and stubborn as you so I’m not sure it’s worth anybody’s time discussing itI 100% believe what I'm saying and I've defended it time and again and the people who try to offer explanations for why I am wrong don't offer any compelling logic as to why.
And yes, at THIS point, sure: doing it for clicks and for fun. I said what I needed to say in the FIRST video. But I won't lie: of course it's fun to give back some of the trolling and pushback I'm getting. What? I'm just supposed to take it? I don't think so
You should try looking into the fighting game genre if you want to experience game design clearly not meant for gamers new to the genre. I’m sure I’m getting old and slow but frame counting and move cancelling and the crazy stick wiggling going on right now is complete madness as far as I’m concerned. I just don’t see how anyone can do that with actual control. I still wouldn’t say it’s bad game design, it’s just a bummer I never invested any time into the genre early on while it evolved into what it is today, feels like it’s not worth the time needed to get good now. I’m mashing buttons and looking at the pretty graphics at this point.
Regarding Metroid Dread. It’s awesome. It’s a real shame you missed the earlier games and can’t fully enjoy this. For me it’s the best thing I’ve played in decades. Finished it awhile ago, closing in on my first 100% run now, doing a parallell playthrough with the kids as well. Possibly the easiest GOTY choice I’ve ever experienced
Punished Miku
Gold Member
I'm glad you can smile and shrug it off, and push back with a little humor rather than act like some victim or bitter person. You're fine, people are just super dramatic about everything.I 100% believe what I'm saying and I've defended it time and again and the people who try to offer explanations for why I am wrong don't offer any compelling logic as to why.
And yes, at THIS point, sure: doing it for clicks and for fun. I said what I needed to say in the FIRST video. But I won't lie: of course it's fun to give back some of the trolling and pushback I'm getting. What? I'm just supposed to take it? I don't think so
I disagree with your take on the game, but it's just an opinion about a game - not a personal attack on anyone (maybe the Metroid devs, but you're allowed to feel differently than they do). FYI, I think you'd enjoy watching a video of the final boss fight. Reminds me of God of War actually, or Dragon Ball Z.
P.S. You could probably pull off a crazy publicity drive for your channel doing a playthrough of this game for charity or something. If that early room in the game has grown your channel this much, just imagine the sparks flying off your subscriber numbers if you try to get some of the more devious secrets in this game lol. I want to see a Jaffe shinespark 100% video. Just make sure to pad your room first so you don't punch any holes in the walls.
Spaceman292
Banned
Maybe you should read this thread. Or the comments on all your Metroid videos.
The Eradicator
Member
That's not a bar that anyone is going to pass. You're literally never going to see a video on a channel of any decent size with a 1 to 1 comment to view ratio
bender
What time is it?
You can disagree with the phrasing and my words are a little muddled for the point I was trying to convey. Youtube comments are largely pointless to the veracity of an argument presented by any creator.
That's not the argument though. And I'm not defending Jaffe's viewpoint here as per the usual, it feels clickbait'ish. My point was that the majority of people in any audience aren't going to comment and that by human nature, without incentive, you are far more likely to critique or comment on something when dissatisfied. It's why I have a hard time wanting to look at a yelp review, user ratings for movies or games, or comment sections on a video or article. This incident spawned two threads and while there is some measured responses, that's juxtaposed by all sorts of nonsense including some really fucked up comments to David and his family. Thankfully those were deleted. The only thing I really agree with his stance is that Nintendo's fanbase tends to be one of the more overly defensive among gaming communities (See the reaction to Gerstmann's Mario Sunshine review). That's all to say that I find discussion a more meaningful measuring stick than rankings, ratings, ratios and whatnot.
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Spaceman292
Banned
I wish people would stop using this kind of thing as a way to score points.
bender
What time is it?
Credit to our moderation team as they allow diametrically opposed viewpoints while taking out the trash.
Cutty Flam
Banned
davidjaffe
where’s my Mario Party Superstars video boy
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Dude, I am SO sorry! I am trying to figure out why whenever I post a tweet or video it sends out a magical signal that literally FORCES you to watch my shit and pay attention. That must be so fucking annoying. I will do all I can to fix it before Thanksgiving but from what I hear, it's cause the whole 'force people to watch my shit' tech is super old and archaic. You know, like Metroid Dread.
I love you.
Not really.
Well some of you.
JAFFE
The enemies on the ceiling should get you to shoot at it, and the enemies above the breakable blocks should pull your attention, there’s a lot going on up there. You also just jumped up through an area that’s way more constrained than most, hinting that sections you can and can’t pass through are less than black and white. Not ever using the aim takes most of that away (and rz/rl and r/l should be swapped), but I don’t know if that’s in the designers. That’s a mechanic that feels new and clearly communicated to players, and not just, you need to know Metroid, to know what to do. And how do you start a new game and not press all the buttons first :/
And if he has played Metroid before, that’s Metroid 101, though you usually bomb down at a section like that. I’m kind of surprised by how long you don’t have bombs this time.
I got through there pretty quickly (I’m not streaming but my kids start getting impatient if I get stuck), and I was honesty just surprised that there was an area like that that still, the rest of the game has been pretty streamlined.
In Super Metroid there were sections that I thought I was exploring on my own and finding secrets, but it ended up being a necessary item, and for me those moments were the most memorable part of the game. Really glad that Dread didn’t remove this entirely.
And if he has played Metroid before, that’s Metroid 101, though you usually bomb down at a section like that. I’m kind of surprised by how long you don’t have bombs this time.
I got through there pretty quickly (I’m not streaming but my kids start getting impatient if I get stuck), and I was honesty just surprised that there was an area like that that still, the rest of the game has been pretty streamlined.
In Super Metroid there were sections that I thought I was exploring on my own and finding secrets, but it ended up being a necessary item, and for me those moments were the most memorable part of the game. Really glad that Dread didn’t remove this entirely.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
May be streaming it tonite, in fact
. Excited for it!
Keihart
Member
Have you watched the game dev toolkit video? I don't think it gets better explained than that. Hardly shitty design.I 100% believe what I'm saying and I've defended it time and again and the people who try to offer explanations for why I am wrong don't offer any compelling logic as to why.
And yes, at THIS point, sure: doing it for clicks and for fun. I said what I needed to say in the FIRST video. But I won't lie: of course it's fun to give back some of the trolling and pushback I'm getting. What? I'm just supposed to take it? I don't think so
I think you are getting more shit on than it's worth, but you kinda earned it by doubling down on the shitty take.
This is a great channel by the way, if you are interested on game design.
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gradient
Resident Cheap Arse
You should try to learn from those better than yourself and see it as an opportunity to improve rather than lashing out and trying to tear them down as you have been.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
And you should try to learn when to take people seriously and when to recognize they are just having some fun.
It's a video game, man. I think it's got some bad design in it. Also think there's some cool stuff in it. Even the BEST games I've ever designed had crap in them.
Beyond THAT it's all a question of delivery.
I appreciate and understand a number of you don't like the way I delivered it. I get it. But all you do when you push on me to change the delivery is make me want to triple down. Because I just find the whole thing so fascinating/funny/disturbing why ANYONE cares so much about what someone says about a game (or any creative product).
For ex: I LOVE Phil Collins and Taylor Swift and Adam Sandler comedies and the show Supergirl. Oh, and Auburn football. Hell, I even like some songs by Nickleback (Burn it to the Ground is fantastic). All of these things are widely hated and mocked. And guess what? I still love them and am very public about my love for them and I genuinely don't care if people mock these things. Hell, in the case of Supergirl, I even GET and agree it's pretty bad...but I still love it. I guess what I'm asking is: why do you care SO MUCH?
And before you ask me why I do, let's be clear (again): Video #1 I cared. All the other videos I cared about putting out content that was honest and engaging but I had already said what I wanted to say about Metroid. After that it's just been fun marketing and money making.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Oh my fuck, this dude is actually making your mom jokes and "you should have been aborted," jokes to negative commenters on YouTube. This is what an actual midlife crisis looks like.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
#1- Your mom jokes are always funny. Not as funny as the face your mother makes when she climaxes, but still: always funny.
#2- I never said the guy should be aborted. He told me I should know when to pull back. I told him I wished his father had known when to pull back. Do you know how abortion works, sir?
#3- I'm too old for a midlife crisis. This is me and always has been me, sir. I HIGHLY HIGHLY advise you to take all the shit you've been taught about caring how others perceive you and flush that shit down the toilet. Because THAT behavior? THAT is what leads to an actual midlife crisis. I've seen it in friends- they wake up somewhere between 40-50 and go, 'Shit! I did everything society said I should do...why am I not happy?!?' And THAT is when the trouble starts.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
I don't agree with him on Metroid, but the guy is bulletproof when it comes to insults. If you wear Nickelback fandom on your sleeve openly, then you're basically immune to modern weaponry.
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