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Everything is technically possible but Sony would have to make system wide changes in order to implement quick resume. They would also have to reserve ssd storage space for the feature. Xbox consoles since the one run games using the hyper visor abstraction layer. This vm approach is also tied to how Xbox back compat operates. The cool thing about virtual machines is that they can be paused then resumed at a later date. When paused essentially all operations and ram are frozen in place. This is all quick resume is and has been a thing since forever. Simply moving the paused vm from memory to storage and vice versa is basically all it is. It’s too big a change to introduce vm on PlayStation mid gen so in my opinion we won’t see it.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Some of y'all really need to read the actual thread here if you really think "nobody here is downplaying quick resume"; you'd have to be blind, or willfully ignorant to miss the large amount of false equivalence shitposts in the first few pages alone smh.

 

[MasterCornholio]

This one of those features that just like PS's VRR we'll probably see for the first time on PS6.

The difference is that Sony marketed the PS5 with VRR. So if they don't release it they can run into legal issue.

 

[-hadouken]

For the games I play, QR has been more of a hassle than a benefit. Not worth the SSD space in my view

 

[ManaByte]

For the games I play, QR has been more of a hassle than a benefit. Not worth the SSD space in my view

People keep saying this but no one has been able to provide documentation to back up how much SSD space it uses.

 

[-hadouken]

I’m not up with the technical side of this debate - but I have needed to reboot games that fooked up due to QR. If there was a global off switch I’d activate it.

 

[ethomaz]

Why what? Why not use a feature that makes loading your last several played games faster? Maybe if you like wasting time

You are not wasting time in most PS5 games… the opposite.

 

[ManaByte]

I have 8 games in QR right now:
Halo Infinite
Ghostbusters
Vanguard
Sonic Unleashed
FH5
Max Payne
Smite

My SSD is fine.

 

[ethomaz]

I didn't realize there was such a big difference.. SSD is usually enough, but this quick resume business needs to come to PC!

He is using games from last gen that have longer launch and load times on PS5.

 

[ManaByte]

He is using games from last gen that have longer launch and load times on PS5.

Huh? Both Hitman 3 and NBA are native PS5 games.

 

[DrAspirino]

Technically speaking, quick resume is hardware related right? Does the XSX and SX have internal hardware that the Ps5 doesn't have? They both have SSD's with Sony's being the superior from what I understand so what is stopping them from implementing this awesome feature.

Short answer: The OS and games themselves.

Normal answer: It's not a hardware feature, rather than a software (OS) feature. Xbox One and Xbox Series games are literally contained within virtual machines, which in turn can be paused at any given time with their state saved. Playstation games, on the other hand, are not virtualized and have a much more "traditional" way of doing things (like games on PC), which in turn doesn't allow them to be "paused" on the fly without serious OS AND game design changes.

So, for Sony to implement "Quick Resume" on their PS5, it would require for them to change the OS in the first place, virtualizing everything (which is a PITA for OS developers and take years to mature), then to release a new SDK to developers so they pack their games inside virtual machines (which take more storage space because of that very nature) and then for developers to optimize that VM.

 

[Genx3]

The difference is that Sony marketed the PS5 with VRR. So if they don't release it they can run into legal issue.

Where on the PS5 box does it say it supports VRR?

 

[rickybooby87]

I have 8 games in QR right now:
Halo Infinite
Ghostbusters
Vanguard
Sonic Unleashed
FH5
Max Payne
Smite

My SSD is fine.

Your SSD is fine because space is already carved out of the reserved 200GB (NTFS formatting, OS, etc) for QR. most estimates I’ve found for QR SSD allocation is between 50-60GB. This isn’t from official MS, most of that info is locked by developer portals. But, in theory they could expand it to be a lot more games that could be queued up in quick resume which would be pretty cool.

 

[Self_Destructive]

Short answer: The OS and games themselves.

Normal answer: It's not a hardware feature, rather than a software (OS) feature. Xbox One and Xbox Series games are literally contained within virtual machines, which in turn can be paused at any given time with their state saved. Playstation games, on the other hand, are not virtualized and have a much more "traditional" way of doing things (like games on PC), which in turn doesn't allow them to be "paused" on the fly without serious OS AND game design changes.

So, for Sony to implement "Quick Resume" on their PS5, it would require for them to change the OS in the first place, virtualizing everything (which is a PITA for OS developers and take years to mature), then to release a new SDK to developers so they pack their games inside virtual machines (which take more storage space because of that very nature) and then for developers to optimize that VM.

I'm sure they could do it on PC if they want.

It would be pretty awesome to have it implemented in Steam, where you could have a shelf in your library of "Quick Resume" states for various games.

Would be a killer feature.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Where on the PS5 box does it say it supports VRR?

Why does it matter if it's on the box?

Don't you remember Sony adding VRR to the PS5s specs?

Unveiling New Details of PlayStation 5: Hardware Technical Specs [UPDATED]

Watch live for a deep dive into PS5's system architecture and how it will shape the future of games.

blog.playstation.com

Video Out

Support of 4K 120Hz TVs, 8K TVs, VRR (specified by HDMI ver.2.1)

 

[DrAspirino]

I'm sure they could do it on PC if they want.

It would be pretty awesome to have it implemented in Steam, where you could have a shelf in your library of "Quick Resume" states for various games.

Would be a killer feature.

It IS possible on PC. In fact, virtual machines have been a thing on the PC space since a long, loooooong time. The problem is that if you want to implement Quick Resume on PC, each game would have to come on its own VM, which would effectively end mods and would severely cripple the platform to customize the game experience. Also, games would use more space, since they'd have to come packed with their own mini-OS that communicates with Windows/Linux.

In short, it wouldn't be practical.

 

[reksveks]

I'm sure they could do it on PC if they want.

It would be pretty awesome to have it implemented in Steam, where you could have a shelf in your library of "Quick Resume" states for various games.

Would be a killer feature.

Think valve mentioned they are working on something like that for the steam deck and hopefully so are Microsoft for pc/cloud sync of QR states.

 

[Genx3]

Why does it matter if it's on the box?

Don't you remember Sony adding VRR to the PS5s specs?

Unveiling New Details of PlayStation 5: Hardware Technical Specs [UPDATED]

Watch live for a deep dive into PS5's system architecture and how it will shape the future of games.

blog.playstation.com

At the end of the day that means nothing if it's not on the box.
Don't know how I missed it.
LOL
Is that also on the box?

I'll believe it when I see it. Never seen HW features get hidden like this.
Not buying it. Sounds like Sony lied to it's fans.

Imagine buying a car and not being able to activate the Airconditioning for over a year.
Just doesn't make sense...

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Ray Tracing Acceleration
Variable frequency, up to 2.23 GHz (10.3 TFLOPS)
System Memory	GDDR6 16GB
448GB/s Bandwidth
SSD	825GB
5.5GB/s Read Bandwidth (Raw)
PS5 Game Disc	Ultra HD Blu-ray™, up to 100GB/disc
Video Out	Support of 4K 120Hz TVs, 8K TVs, VRR (specified by HDMI ver.2.1)
Audio	“Tempest” 3D AudioTech

 

[Lognor]

Why do people get over protective for their favorite console?

Its just gaming machine, which you will throw it away once you are done having fun with it. You wasting all these hours protecting it, and mocking other people. Its borderline unhealthy, and weird. So why do people go overboard with it? For me personally, I just play it, and mind my business...

www.neogaf.com

Tell me how you really feel lulz

 

[Dr Bass]

I am telling how it is... there is no way Sony sees any monetary value in implementing it and implementing it would cut away an additional 60 to 80 GiB of space from the SSD.

what exactly is the issue with that? that is simply how it is. there is no way Sony would do that.

It probably wouldn’t take up that much space. Not to overly simplify but it’s basically saving game state to ram, and could theoretically compress it too. 4 game saves would probably be less than 60gb all told. Doesn’t Xbox limit you to 4 at a time? And yeah the ssd is smaller. But you can thankfully expand it with off the shelf ssds and the hardware decompression is so good that the game installs are remarkably smaller than the competition.

The answer is of course Sony could do it. But the ssd is so fast that every game that actually uses the native PS5 capability feels like an insta-launch. So once you’ve reached that point, who cares about that feature?

 

[Zannrebel]

People arguing over quick resume, but I could have sworn I woke up to turn on my ps5 on earlier today, with the game started where i left off in Rachet and Clank...... Its a feature that definetly being overhyped. Games load in seconds on the ps5, you dont need it unless you have something like ADHD. The new Dualsense is much more worth arguing over, its literally a game changer and impossible to play games without feeling like its missing something without.

Posts like this make it obvious you don't understand what quick resume is.

 

[Boglin]

If being in a VM is truly required then I think the closest Sony could get to QR would be a card that continues from the most recent save. Used like this, it could only be a kinda of similar experience to QR with games that have the ability to save anywhere.
It still wouldn't be as good as QR though, because you'd have extra steps to save and to continue rather than not thinking about it at all.

This only benefit this method would have over QR would be less storage requirements.

 

[modiz]

In that case how is PS5 able to run in stand by mode consuming almost no power?

Because RAM doesn't need much power. Laptops suspended also only need a fraction of the power used in comparison to normal operation.

 

[RoadHazard]

Quick resume is such a nice feature. Its not even new. Xbox had it last gen too. Tho this gen u can do QR with 5 games. Crazy.

The inability of any 'next gen' console to do QR is .

If that's your definition of QR, then PS4 and PS5 have it too, they can do exactly what the XB1 could (that's not what QR actually is though).

 

[RoadHazard]

If being in a VM is truly required then I think the closest Sony could get to QR would be a card that continues from the most recent save. Used like this, it could only be a kinda of similar experience to QR with games that have the ability to save anywhere.
It still wouldn't be as good as QR though, because you'd have extra steps to save and to continue rather than not thinking about it at all.

This only benefit this method would have over QR would be less storage requirements.

Very few games don't autosave after doing pretty much anything these days.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I mostly focus on one game at a time and if I am switching between games it's usually between a single-player game and a multiplayer one (that is Destiny 2 mostly). I don't need quick resume for Destiny 2 (there is no point or benefit since it's an online only game.) I also just like to close off anything running in the background.

As for my phone, I carry that with me all the time and access it a lot more than any of my consoles. I do close all apps every once in a while though.

the one thing I don’t get about this is, why would you do more button presses to quit a game that holds no benefit?

you can literally press the guide button and just choose destiny 2 then jump back to FH5 when you want. theres no need to do the extra presses to force shutdown a game on Xbox.
makes no sense to me, but you do you

 

[MrFunSocks]

the one thing I don’t get about this is, why would you do more button presses to quit a game that holds no benefit?

you can literally press the guide button and just choose destiny 2 then jump back to FH5 when you want. theres no need to do the extra presses to force shutdown a game on Xbox.
makes no sense to me, but you do you

Because if you do that then you get the bonus of being able to downplay quick resume.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Because if you do that then you get the bonus of being able to downplay quick resume.

Yeah, I just don't understand why you wouldnt use it. The OS is already built around it, its allocating the space for it anyway and its more button presses to not use it. It's literally a negative to not use it.

I think it's an amazing feature and I just don't even think about it now. It's a god send if you have multiple people using your Xbox too.

It can't be too hard to train yourself out of choosing quit game, I mean....I don't think i ever did that having an xbox I would always just press the guide button and choose another game I think?

 

[ParaSeoul]

Mostly get physical either way so it doesn't matter to me,quick resume does make a lot more sense in an ecosystem like Xbox with Game Pass being as big as it is.

 

[Flutta]

Yeah, doesn't it feel like that?

They get so lost in their own opinions it's hard for them to understand others who may feel differently or use something in a way that is different then theirs. That's been the biggest challenge for me to address in this thread; somehow they think it's an attack on them or if you are not completely for it, you are 100% against it or there has to be another reason at play and if they can't think of anything else then they will resort to the most stupid one of all — "you are console warring" lol. It's like the reality outside of that framework just doesn't exist. It's tiring.

Their insecurity is on another lever. You want to brag about Xbox having QR fine good for you . Are PS5 users missing out on a nice feature sure. Is it a deal breaker that would make you want to throw your PS5 out the window and go get a SX instead as some here would suggest! Hell no lol, there’s more to console gaming than having QR.

In a nuttshell they want you to get an Xbox. That’s basically what it all comes down to. You can’t have a genuine conversation with hardcore fanboys.

 

[ethomaz]

Huh? Both Hitman 3 and NBA are native PS5 games.

And?

Games on PS5 should load at lower than 4s... 2s is expected... if that doesn't happen is just because the dev didn't take the SDK functions in mind when made the PS5 port and that happened with both these games you listed that are basically using old generation code for I/O tasks.

 

[MasterCornholio]

At the end of the day that means nothing if it's not on the box.
Don't know how I missed it.
LOL
Is that also on the box?

I'll believe it when I see it. Never seen HW features get hidden like this.
Not buying it. Sounds like Sony lied to it's fans.

Imagine buying a car and not being able to activate the Airconditioning for over a year.
Just doesn't make sense...

CPU	x86-64-AMD Ryzen™ “Zen 2”
8 Cores / 16 Threads
Variable frequency, up to 3.5 GHz
GPU	AMD Radeon™ RDNA 2-based graphics engine
Ray Tracing Acceleration
Variable frequency, up to 2.23 GHz (10.3 TFLOPS)
System Memory	GDDR6 16GB
448GB/s Bandwidth
SSD	825GB
5.5GB/s Read Bandwidth (Raw)
PS5 Game Disc	Ultra HD Blu-ray™, up to 100GB/disc
Video Out	Support of 4K 120Hz TVs, 8K TVs, VRR (specified by HDMI ver.2.1)
Audio	“Tempest” 3D AudioTech

Well it was also on their website as well. Plus like you said if Sony is lying then they can be sued for false marketing. Which is an incentive for them to get the feature working.

Are you the one that also claimed that Sony lied about the NVME expansion and that it wasn't possible? Remember someone did but I'm not sure if it was you or not.

 

[Corndog]

You are not wasting time in most PS5 games… the opposite.

So you would rather not have your ps5 games load faster? I get that some people may see it as already fast enough. You might want to pick a better argument.

 

[Corndog]

Well it was also on their website as well. Plus like you said if Sony is lying then they can be sued for false marketing. Which is an incentive for them to get the feature working.

Are you the one that also claimed that Sony lied about the NVME expansion and that it wasn't possible? Remember someone did but I'm not sure if it was you or not.

It might be misleading but that’s what marketing for both companies seem to do. Hopefully what happens is some journalist will ask them when it’s coming and we can get a clearer picture.

 

[ethomaz]

So you would rather not have your ps5 games load faster? I get that some people may see it as already fast enough. You might want to pick a better argument.

Faster? It is already sub 4s.
I mean yeap I want all games to be sub 2s.

If you make the launch and load in that range it will be how the games we play on PS5 do... indeed very fast.

 

[Jaysen]

It takes basically no time to load games cold to in-game on PS5.

Quick starting of games is in no shape or form a replacement for what Quick a resume does.

 

[Jaysen]

I have both xsx and ps5. Give no shits about this.

I own both and give plenty of shits about this. Quick Resume is the best next gen feature I’ve used yet and wish every game and console supported it.

 

[Lognor]

Probably.

But the question is why? You can do a cold boot and start the game around the same time.

You don't seem to understand what quick resume is. You start the game exactly where you left off. On ps5 you have to go through splash screens, the main menu, and start from the last save spot. Quick resume is so much better. You're really missing out

 

[Captain Toad]

You don't seem to understand what quick resume is. You start the game exactly where you left off. On ps5 you have to go through splash screens, the main menu, and start from the last save spot. Quick resume is so much better. You're really missing out

That's what stand-by does too. The only difference is if you're playing several different games and swapping between them before you can even bother saving your game. Only crazy people game like that.

 

[ethomaz]

You don't seem to understand what quick resume is. You start the game exactly where you left off. On ps5 you have to go through splash screens, the main menu, and start from the last save spot. Quick resume is so much better. You're really missing out

Yeap and like I said it is around the same time.

BTW PS5 can do that with Suspend/Resume like you described but because the time between turn on the console, launch the game and start to play is fast it makes the Suspend/Resume not a big deal.

 

[Jaysen]

Probably.

But the question is why? You can do a cold boot and start the game around the same time.

What an absolute load of shit. If, for example, Forza Horizon 5 was on both consoles, the difference would be that I could quit mid race on Xbox and resume exactly where I was within 3 seconds or on PS5 I could load into the game in about ten seconds, leave my save location, choose a car, drive to the race I was at before and start it over from the beginning. I get youve chosen to be a corporation fanboy, but hopefully you see how stupid that is making you look when it forces you to spread misinformation.

 

[SpokkX]

You actually can do that with a PS5 with a single game. The only restrictions are: it has to be the last game running (you can't have multiple games running in background) and it won't do it from a cold boot.


Yeah, now that's a good use case for quick resume's implementation on the Series X. There are other use cases too. But no one was questioning the existence or possible value of quick resume as a feature which is why I don't understand why people are getting somewhat defensive. We understand situations where it can be helpful but for some of us, the absence of it hasn't been detrimental (what you all don't seem to get.)

But again, this comes down to how people are playing. For example, my friend plays on the PC pretty much exclusively so if I am gaming on a console, it's solo — so no invite scenario for m

You actually can do that with a PS5 with a single game. The only restrictions are: it has to be the last game running (you can't have multiple games running in background) and it won't do it from a cold boot.


Yeah, now that's a good use case for quick resume's implementation on the Series X. There are other use cases too. But no one was questioning the existence or possible value of quick resume as a feature which is why I don't understand why people are getting somewhat defensive. We understand situations where it can be helpful but for some of us, the absence of it hasn't been detrimental (what you all don't seem to get.)

But again, this comes down to how people are playing. For example, my friend plays on the PC pretty much exclusively so if I am gaming on a console, it's solo — so no invite scenario for me.

Uhh so you are talking about… sleepmode. That every modern device, including last gen, supported

what does thar have to do with quick resume? That is not a new feature and has been around for decades. The point of quick resume is basically sleepmode for several games even when switching game or losing power. It is completely new tech - that has never really been done before

apples vs pears etc

 

[Jaysen]

That's what stand-by does too. The only difference is if you're playing several different games and swapping between them before you can even bother saving your game. Only crazy people game like that.

Again, being a corporation fanboy forces someone to say idiotic shit.

 

[ethomaz]

What an absolute load of shit. If, for example, Forza Horizon 5 was on both consoles, the difference would be that I could quit mid race on Xbox and resume exactly where I was within 3 seconds or on PS5 I could load into the game in about ten seconds, leave my save location, choose a car, drive to the race I was at before and start it over from the beginning. I get youve chosen to be a corporation fanboy, but hopefully you see how stupid that is making you look when it forces you to spread misinformation.

You can suspend/resume on PS5... c'mon.
You can quit the PS5 on middle of the race, turn on the PS5 and back to where you where in the game (middle of the race).

You can do that on PS4 too.

The difference to Quick Resume is only that on PS it is limited to one game.

 

[Jaysen]

You can suspend/resume on PS5... c'mon.

You start the PS5 and back to where you where in the game.

Did you just compare suspend resume to Quick Resume. Bahahahaha. Educate yourself.

 

[K2D]

What an absolute load of shit. If, for example, Forza Horizon 5 was on both consoles, the difference would be that I could quit mid race on Xbox and resume exactly where I was within 3 seconds or on PS5 I could load into the game in about ten seconds, leave my save location, choose a car, drive to the race I was at before and start it over from the beginning. I get youve chosen to be a corporation fanboy, but hopefully you see how stupid that is making you look when it forces you to spread misinformation.

if you add:
>I can start up a different game, quit out of that, and resume where I left off in Forza..

Then that would be different from on Playstation. As you wrote it, PS5 is equally capable.

Good on MS to have the feature available at launch.

 

[Captain Toad]

What an absolute load of shit. If, for example, Forza Horizon 5 was on both consoles, the difference would be that I could quit mid race on Xbox and resume exactly where I was within 3 seconds

You're often mid-race in a game of Forza and you get the urge to play a completely different game RIGHT THIS SECOND, but want to finish the race hours later? I guess it's a neat parlor trick, but do people actually play games this way? Seems like some next-level A.D.D. to me.

Before you ask, I DO own a Series X and play it quite a bit (Forza Horizon 5 too). I've never found a need or use for quick resume yet. It's such a non-issue imo.

 

[Jaysen]

You're often mid-race in a game of Forza and you get the urge to play a completely different game RIGHT THIS SECOND, but want to finish the race hours later? I guess it's a neat parlor trick, but do people actually play games this way? Seems like some next-level A.D.D. to me.

The fact that you can’t wrap your brain around a feature as simple as Quick Resume isn’t an indictment of the feature.

 

[Jaysen]

if you add:
>I can start up a different game, quit out of that, and resume where I left off in Forza..

Then that would be different from on Playstation. As you wrote it, PS5 is equally capable.

Good on MS to have the feature available at launch.

I could take my Xbox, unplug it, pack it away in the attic for years, and then plug it back in and resume exactly where I was.

 

[reksveks]

You're often mid-race in a game of Forza and you get the urge to play a completely different game RIGHT THIS SECOND, but want to finish the race hours later? I guess it's a neat parlor trick, but do people actually play games this way? Seems like some next-level A.D.D. to me.

The way that I use it is the following.

In the evenings, I will play on the tv on the xbox controller. I don't have to worry too much about saving it at all and then when I am doing I just suspend my control.

In the mornings, I am trying to my treadmill walk a bit less boring so I remote into my xbox and choose a different kind of game that I can play whilst getting my steps in.

The real win is the fact that I don't have to worry about the last save state of my last 3/4 games. If quick resume fucks up, yes your experience and trust in the feature can be burnt.

That's generally how I am using QR at the moment.