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[Riky]

Not sure what some people are on if they think the One X version is better than the Series S version in the 60fps mode.

One X drops to the 40fps range, Series S is almost entirely locked at 60FPS. One X drops to 720p at the worst while Series S drops to 960p.

Exactly.

It's the same bunch of trolls who are hurt by the existence of Series S and appear in every thread.
We all know the Xbox One X supports higher resolutions, this isn't breaking news.
However the Series S runs the game better performance wise and has some higher settings as shown and loads a lot faster.

 

[HoofHearted]

Holy crap peeps - watch the video - XSS is pretty impressive for what it provides...

Gonna fire up the XSX now and give it a run through myself - maybe make some smores over the heat exhaust while I'm at it..

 

[dcmk7]

Is that Marques Brownlee?

Whoever it is they need one of these.

 

[Leyasu]

I agree as I am playing it at 120 hz and not finished describes it pretty well.

Even the resolution drops at 120 is quite noticeable imo but it is fairly smooth even if I havent hit the areas of low frames yet

60hz is good enough for me. In all honesty it has to be as this game brings out the worst ghosting on my Samsung QLED at 120hz. I have had to revert back to 60hz in the xbox settings. Fucking Samsung

 

[twilo99]

The series s isn't supposed to replace the onex, is it? Its a budget machine..

Series S loads faster, end of.

Yes, its not even close of course.

 

[HoofHearted]

EDIT: user error..

 

[HoofHearted]

Whoever it is they need one of these.

LOL - yaaasss.. Pretty sure that's Marques running around though..

Marques:

 

[Sosokrates]

So it's....

1. XSX
2. XBO X
3. xss
4. xbo

Depends on the person, but I think most would prefer the SeriesS version because of the fast loading.
Also 1080p 60fps over 1440-1800p @ 30fps anyday.

 

[Banjo64]

They should have just dropped the original Xbox One version of this game. They still could have released a gimped Xbox One X only native version, and then relegated the One/One S to xCloud. Point in having a 10 year plan for the game and releasing it on hardware that is already obsolete.

 

[Krappadizzle]

I'm genuinely impressed with how well it performs on any of the platforms you choose to play tbh. Was not expecting a solid 30fps on base Xbone.

 

[Zathalus]

The fact that it's even debatable is pretty interesting.

Next gen consoles, after all, should be significant improvements.

When in fact according to DF, X1X equals and is even superior in many aspects of the game.

Truly bizarre, especially on a flagship title.

How is it debatable? When both are stressed in heavy firefights the XSS has up to 50% more performance while pushing 77% more pixels. Not all of that is likely due to the GPU, as I would wager that the XOX CPU simply can't keep up.

The XSS is absolutely trouncing the XOX where it counts. That's not even getting to the loading times.

Sure, the XOX is better at 30FPS but who the hell cares?

 

[dcmk7]

How is it debatable? When both are stressed in heavy firefights the XSS has up to 50% more performance while pushing 77% more pixels. Not all of that is likely due to the GPU, as I would wager that the XOX CPU simply can't keep up.

The XSS is absolutely trouncing the XOX where it counts. That's not even getting to the loading times.

Sure, the XOX is better at 30FPS but who the hell cares?

DF is directly comparing the two and saying X1X 'trades punches' with Series S. And is even superior in aspects.

That's what makes it debatable. And it really shouldn't be.

 

[Leyasu]

They should have just dropped the original Xbox One version of this game. They still could have released a gimped Xbox One X only native version, and then relegated the One/One S to xCloud. Point in having a 10 year plan for the game and releasing it on hardware that is already obsolete.

Surely the are going to have to drop it for the expansions that come in 2 to 3 yrs... Surely

 

[dcmk7]

Surely the are going to have to drop it for the expansions that come in 2 to 3 yrs... Surely

Guess they could make expansions available through xCloud? Be some effort to continue to develop for them!

 

[Zathalus]

DF is directly comparing the two and saying X1X 'trades punches' with Series S. And is even superior in aspects.

That's what makes it debatable. And it really shouldn't be.

Trades punches in context of the 30fps mode. The XOX is clearly not keeping up in the 60fps mode if it drops to 45FPS when stressed (while having a much lower resolution).

Honestly this just sounds like concern trolling about the XSS while neglecting to recall it is a $299 console while the XOX is a $499 console that is only 3 years older.

 

[DarkMage619]

Not really.

Xbox One X runs at generally higher resolution as expected over Series S.

Series S has some higher grade textures, keeps to 60fps better with One X dipping into the forties, loads a lot quicker. Series S doesn't drop as low resolution wise as One X in performance mode.

You have lots of patience. They are messing with you. They know the XSS outperforms the X1X version of the game but they trying to get you to doubt what the pictures clearly show. Only look who you are are arguing with and realize they aren't commenting in good faith.

 

[dcmk7]

Trades punches in context of the 30fps mode. The XOX is clearly not keeping up in the 60fps mode if it drops to 45FPS when stressed (while having a much lower resolution).

Honestly this just sounds like concern trolling about the XSS while neglecting to recall it is a $299 console while the XOX is a $499 console that is only 3 years older.

Digital Foundry are the ones who do the analysis and say it's equal and even superior in many aspects. And weaker in many others. It's all in their video/article.

Hence why it's debatable. And why it's being discussed in this thread as it's pretty surprising result.

To describe it as 'concern trolling' is weak. This place doesn't work as an echochamber.

 

[Zathalus]

Digital Foundry are the ones who do the analysis and say it's equal and even superior in many aspects. And weaker in many others.

Hence why it's debatable. And why it's being discussed in this thread as it's pretty surprising result.

To describe it as 'concern trolling' is weak. This place doesn't work as an echochamber.

Equal or superior in the quality mode. Not in the performance mode. Unless you think 45 is somehow equal to 60.

Also, if not concern trolling then what else is it? What amazing leap in GPU power do you think a console can offer in only 3 years, despite being only 60% of the price and having a vastly better CPU and storage system?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Digital Foundry are the ones who do the analysis and say it's equal and even superior in many aspects. And weaker in many others. It's all in their video/article.

Hence why it's debatable. And why it's being discussed in this thread as it's pretty surprising result.

To describe it as 'concern trolling' is weak. This place doesn't work as an echochamber.

I don't get the whole concerned trolling comment either especially when John says the Xbox One X version is the second best version, is he trolling?

 

[dcmk7]

Equal or superior in the quality mode. Not in the performance mode. Unless you think 45 is somehow equal to 60.

Also, if not concern trolling then what else is it? What amazing leap in GPU power do you think a console can offer in only 3 years, despite being only 60% of the price and having a vastly better CPU and storage system?

You even say yourself it's superior in one of the two modes available. So not sure why people discussing the surprisingly even results as trolling.

But agree to disagree.

 

[ReBurn]

I have an OG Xbox One on the shelf. Not even the One S. Tempted to fire that bad boy up and see how it goes.

 

[dcmk7]

I don't get the whole concerned trolling comment either especially when John says the Xbox One X version is the second best version, is he trolling?

Zathalus , looks like John would rather play X1X than XSS.

This is the great thing about forums not everyone has to have the same opinion.

 

[Zathalus]

Zathalus , looks like John would rather play X1X than XSS.

This is the great thing about forums not everyone has to have the same opinion.

I guess he prefers gaming at 30fps then.

 

[dcmk7]

I guess he prefers gaming at 30fps then.

Doubt that but sure.

 

[SlimySnake]

Holy crap peeps - watch the video - XSS is pretty impressive for what it provides...

Gonna fire up the XSX now and give it a run through myself - maybe make some smores over the heat exhaust while I'm at it..

I dont know man. As soon as the XSS footage rolled in at this timestamped moment, my jaw dropped at just how blurry it looked in comparison to the x1x. This is no simple 4k to 1080p comparison either. There is definitely some kind of internal reconstruction going on that makes it look very grainy and pixelated especially when the alpha effects pop up. Maybe it's the VRS. Who knows, but the difference was striking.

✂️ XSS

15 seconds · Clipped by TheNegativeDude · Original video "Halo Infinite on Consoles: Xbox Series X/S vs Xbox One S/X - Can Xbox One Run It?" by Digital Foundry

youtube.com

And this is the Quality mode. Even Tom Morgan, ever the optimist, says the image quality is undoubtedly worse.

 

[Zathalus]

Doubt that but sure.

How else am I supposed to read that comment? The XOX version of the game drops to 45fps vs an almost locked 60fps version on the XSS. The game is simply going to feel better to play on the XSS when the action ramps up.

Yes, the XOX version is much better looking at 30fps (obviously, much higher memory bandwidth and more powerful GPU), but I'm not sure who would play Halo at 30fps if given the choice.

 

[dcmk7]

How else am I supposed to read that comment? The XOX version of the game drops to 45fps vs an almost locked 60fps version on the XSS. The game is simply going to feel better to play on the XSS when the action ramps up.

Yes, the XOX version is much better looking at 30fps (obviously, much higher memory bandwidth and more powerful GPU), but I'm not sure who would play Halo at 30fps if given the choice.

I don't know maybe ask John.

I don't personally think he is the kind of person who would rather game at 30fps than 60fps.. but that's just my opinion.

 

[intbal]

It's the first day.

I fully expect them to continue optimizing performance on all versions. The frame pacing problem should be the first fix. Then general performance.
This is Xbox's flagship IP. All machines will eventually have a great version of Halo Infinite.

 

[SlimySnake]

Wow Riky consolewarring even against machines in the same ecosystem lol

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

You have lots of patience. They are messing with you. They know the XSS outperforms the X1X version of the game but they trying to get you to doubt what the pictures clearly show. Only look who you are are arguing with and realize they aren't commenting in good faith.

Exactly.

It's the same bunch of trolls who are hurt by the existence of Series S and appear in every thread.
We all know the Xbox One X supports higher resolutions, this isn't breaking news.
However the Series S runs the game better performance wise and has some higher settings as shown and loads a lot faster.

Depends on the person, but I think most would prefer the SeriesS version because of the fast loading.
Also 1080p 60fps over 1440-1800p @ 30fps anyday.

I don't get the whole concerned trolling comment either especially when John says the Xbox One X version is the second best version, is he trolling?

.

 

[DarkMage619]

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I guess he prefers gaming at 30fps then.

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He may also prefer longer loading times too.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

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He may also prefer longer loading times too.

 

[cragarmi]

I agree as I am playing it at 120 hz and not finished describes it pretty well.

Even the resolution drops at 120 is quite noticeable imo but it is fairly smooth even if I havent hit the areas of low frames yet

Claiming your game is targeting 120, when it is often running in the 80s in battles is a bit misleading. Maybe a 90fps cap would be more achievable? Though 90hz is not as common as 120hz TVs I suppose.

 

[ethomaz]

How else am I supposed to read that comment? The XOX version of the game drops to 45fps vs an almost locked 60fps version on the XSS. The game is simply going to feel better to play on the XSS when the action ramps up.

Yes, the XOX version is much better looking at 30fps (obviously, much higher memory bandwidth and more powerful GPU), but I'm not sure who would play Halo at 30fps if given the choice.

Actually they said that to Performance mode in XB1 X.

“ I've also got to say, comparing the two modes reveals only the most subtle tweaks in settings: shadow quality, and small LOD tweaks for the most part. But the boost to performance is remarkable, with only intense battles in the open world seeing Xbox One X fail to hit the target. But the boost to performance is remarkable, with only intense battles in the open world seeing Xbox One X fail to hit the target. Expect a 45fps-60fps range, depending on just how taxing the battle scenes are. Ultimately though, this is the preferred way to play on last-gen machines and is actually very, very impressive overall.”

See… remarkable… impressive overall… doesn’t seems words used to describe a mode that keep most of time in 45fps like you said.

Maybe that is why you fail to understand why they found out the XB1X to have the second best version of the game.

 

[Little Chicken]

I have to say, even on Series X, it's evident in a number of ways that this is an Xbox One game ported to 4 other platforms. And that's fine because the game is a blast to play, feels so good and responsive.

The next Halo game built for the Series X|S is going to look magnificent if this is what they can achieve on the Xbox One.

 

[DevilMayFlyForAWhiteGuy]

 

[DarkMage619]

Actually they said that to Performance mode in XB1 X.

“ I've also got to say, comparing the two modes reveals only the most subtle tweaks in settings: shadow quality, and small LOD tweaks for the most part. But the boost to performance is remarkable, with only intense battles in the open world seeing Xbox One X fail to hit the target. But the boost to performance is remarkable, with only intense battles in the open world seeing Xbox One X fail to hit the target. Expect a 45fps-60fps range, depending on just how taxing the battle scenes are. Ultimately though, this is the preferred way to play on last-gen machines and is actually very, very impressive overall.”

See… remarkable… impressive overall… doesn’t seems words used to describe a mode that keep most of time in 45fps like you said.

Maybe that is why you fail to understand why they found out the XB1X to have the second best version of the game.

It looks like he's comparing the quality and performance modes on the X1X. About the XSS performance mode he says:

"Series S' performance mode? Again, generally speaking, it's operating at a lower resolution than Xbox One X, even if its dynamic resolution lower bounds is higher and overall performance is more solid. The resolution window here varies from 1706x960 to the full 1920x1080. Variable rate shading is also used here - adjusting the resolution of points of the image, in theory helping to bolster performance. The pay-off is a mostly perfect 60fps."

If you care about 60fps the X1X does not offer the best experience. It was designed to offer games at higher resolutions and that remains true in this game. Not sure why there is an expectation for the XSS to deliver high resolution gaming when it was never sold on that promise.

It is also curious why there are so many XSS and X1X comparisons when those systems aren't direct upgrades. Still Tom says: "Settings-wise, near-to-far foliage draw is identical between One X and Series S, as is the quality of texture filtering, depth of field, and even shadows are comparable." That's impressive on the low resolution box. Coupling that with superior frame rates = a better experience at 60fps at least. X1X obviously takes the crown at 30.

 

[Little Chicken]

It looks like he's comparing the quality and performance modes on the X1X. About the XSS performance mode he says:

"Series S' performance mode? Again, generally speaking, it's operating at a lower resolution than Xbox One X, even if its dynamic resolution lower bounds is higher and overall performance is more solid. The resolution window here varies from 1706x960 to the full 1920x1080. Variable rate shading is also used here - adjusting the resolution of points of the image, in theory helping to bolster performance. The pay-off is a mostly perfect 60fps."

If you care about 60fps the X1X does not offer the best experience. It was designed to offer games at higher resolutions and that remains true in this game. Not sure why there is an expectation for the XSS to deliver high resolution gaming when it was never sold on that promise.

It is also curious why there are so many XSS and X1X comparisons when those systems aren't direct upgrades. Still Tom says: "Settings-wise, near-to-far foliage draw is identical between One X and Series S, as is the quality of texture filtering, depth of field, and even shadows are comparable." That's impressive on the low resolution box. Coupling that with superior frame rates = a better experience at 60fps at least. X1X obviously takes the crown at 30.

XSS wins because playing Halo Infinite on anything below 60fps is doing a disservice to the game.

 

[Bogroll]

Look at the mountains and trees bottom left, that's why they say Series X has the same settings as Series S at DF.

If this is legit I can't believe people are piling in on you. There is a obvious difference in that shot.
But for what it's worth I'm impressed with One X. What a beast. I know its nowhere near locked but impressive with that old Jag cpu Hopefully they can fix the frame pacing.

 

[Black_Stride]

None Xbox or Halo owners here to tell us how it is.

 

[THE DUCK]

Here's the thing though......99.9% of xbox one x owners will either play it on that machine, or have upgraded to a series X. A very, very tiny group went from xbox one x to S.

The people who own or owned an xbox one, and upgraded to series S, see huge improvements.

Then there is a group that has ps5, or a series x, and a series S on another tv.

So does it really matter if series S is better or worse than xbox one x?

 

[sendit]

ooof....



This is a direct screen grab from my PC. Given the delay.....why is the lighting so flat now?

 

[sinnergy]

Do you have a GeForce 3? Maybe that’s it?

 

[sendit]

Do you have a GeForce 3? Maybe that’s it?

 

[THE DUCK]

ooof....



This is a direct screen grab from my PC. Given the delay.....why is the lighting so flat now?

Just someone with too much time on thier hands desperate for some youtube hits....

 

[THE DUCK]

Just one 3090? Your just embarrassing yourself..........

I overclocked my 3060 with a water tanker and tapped right into the grid for power. I can now simultaneously run 4 monitors at 12k at 600fps.

 

[Silent Viper]

That's not what the article says. Unfortunately for you we can read, but nice try.

Experience on One X not good regardless of what DF says. It stutters clearly during flying in open world area or trying to take over strongholds. My friend is on One X and he not having fun. There is constant drops while traversing and during firefights. Popins are clearly visible and are more often.

I don't know much about SS version as im on SX and High end PC (yeah im master race bisch) but stop with this dumb argument that One X version is good. It suck nuts, now every game is on One X is awful experience.

 

[Zathalus]

Actually they said that to Performance mode in XB1 X.

“ I've also got to say, comparing the two modes reveals only the most subtle tweaks in settings: shadow quality, and small LOD tweaks for the most part. But the boost to performance is remarkable, with only intense battles in the open world seeing Xbox One X fail to hit the target. But the boost to performance is remarkable, with only intense battles in the open world seeing Xbox One X fail to hit the target. Expect a 45fps-60fps range, depending on just how taxing the battle scenes are. Ultimately though, this is the preferred way to play on last-gen machines and is actually very, very impressive overall.”

See… remarkable… impressive overall… doesn’t seems words used to describe a mode that keep most of time in 45fps like you said.

Maybe that is why you fail to understand why they found out the XB1X to have the second best version of the game.

Or, you know, you can watch the video? Where the XOX version fails to hold 60 in rather simplistic battle scenes.

 

[Md Ray]

Yes, the XOX version is much better looking at 30fps (obviously, much higher memory bandwidth and more powerful GPU)

Yep, that's true! Exactly what I said in another thread, but some people ( DarkMage619 , Riky ) had trouble accepting it. Series S GPU is nimble and superior to One X GPU due to new feature sets, but One X's GPU packs a bit more power over XSS GPU.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

This video clearly shows Series S has superior texture quality, shadows, frame rate, loading times.

No cherry picking.

No need to read biased opinions. See for yourself.