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DF: The Matrix Awakens: Demo vs UHD Blu-ray Movie, Series S Cutbacks, SSD Speed Tests
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Good to get a solid confirmation that The Coalition's engine optimizations also helped out the PS5 version.
Finally we can put this point of contention from the last topic to rest.
Finally we can put this point of contention from the last topic to rest.
ethomaz
Banned
Like everybody guessed the Coalition optimizations probably helped more Series consoles than PS5.
“Multi-core and bloom optimisations were noted as specific enhancements from The Coalition, but this team has experience in getting great results from Series S too, so don't be surprised if they helped in what is a gargantuan effort.”
“Multi-core and bloom optimisations were noted as specific enhancements from The Coalition, but this team has experience in getting great results from Series S too, so don't be surprised if they helped in what is a gargantuan effort.”
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Alex busting some myths in that video. I guess I'll get the popcorn.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Yeah what is Mr PCMR claiming?
Literally who guessed otherwise m8
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Just a bunch of folks swearing there's no way Coalition's work would in any way help the PS5 version of the demo one way or the other.
Which was a bogus claim then, and has been officially rebuked now.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Alex shooting down at least two common misconceptions in this video. Very good and informative content.
I don’t think we will ever see the ps5s IO get utilised properly this generation. Maybe in 3 to 4 years on an exclusive game but it just goes to show that these forward thinking engines will be so agile when it comes to disk streaming etc.
I don’t think we will ever see the ps5s IO get utilised properly this generation. Maybe in 3 to 4 years on an exclusive game but it just goes to show that these forward thinking engines will be so agile when it comes to disk streaming etc.
ethomaz
Banned
People that adamant though the optimizations made by Coalition, a studio focused in Xbox optimizations, helped in the same level PS5 and Series consoles lol
They will always made a code other that works better on Xbox hardware.
It is the same for a developer with more experience in nVidia code path than AMD code path… and that happens a lot in PC… optimizations that works better on one side and tanks the other.
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That sounds like a misinterpretation on what was being shared on your behalf
ethomaz
Banned
Nope.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
No, but they should. Would be interesting to see how Ratchet performs.
They have/did ask and I assume a rachet demo will be tested
Thirty7ven
Banned
Of course it will, it’s not about just streaming geometry at high speed but everything else. Data is data, that includes everything from audio do animations.
The demo also doesn’t stress the CPU, and the conclusion can’t be “these CPUs are overkill”.
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akaFullmetal
Member
Who cares if they did help? They're a good development team. What's the problem?
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Epic Sax CEO
Banned
The "optimization" that was talked about was non-specific.
It's explicitly said that Coalition actually put extra effort specifically to extract more performance on Microsoft machines, hardware-specific optimizations?
Ulysses 31
Member
Indirectly helping the
Bernd Lauert
Banned
It's actually sub 1080p at times, but to me it looks fairly sharp. UE5 reconstruction is really good.people who dismissed this demo due to only being 1080p are such clowns
Insane Metal
Member
I mean, higher resolutions sound great, and probably are, but reconstruction techniques have come a long way.people who dismissed this demo due to only being 1080p are such clowns
winjer
Gold Member
Hmm, no performance metric, curious.
They already did those in the first video.
carloseduardocd
Member
"In that area, they worked with Epic to ensure the assets in the demo were set up to fully leverage virtual texture streaming and nanite wherever possible and tuned internal memory systems, especially on Xbox Series S, to ensure it all fit in the memory."
How The Coalition Worked with Epic to Bring The Matrix Awakens to Life on Xbox Series X|S - Xbox Wire
Yesterday, in a surprise announcement at The Game Awards, Epic Games revealed that The Matrix Awakens: An Unreal Engine 5 Experience, a new playable Unreal Engine 5 technical demo, was available for everyone on Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S. Created by members of the original “The Matrix”movie...
news.xbox.com
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yep, it's reconstructing from 1/3rd of the resolution going by what Alex says.
The results are nothing short of spectacular. Gunning for native pixel counts is a waste of resources if reconstruction is this good.
Yes, no one ever said otherwise. I doubt this demo would have been out on Series S at least without Coalition's direct help.
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Using a demo made to run on PS5 & Xbox Series S/X & another demo made to run on PCs with different SSDs don't tell us much about about PS5 IO.
Edit: Google show the wrong numbers
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a multicultural team of v
Member
So are they basically saying that even for a tech demo, in order to get good results from the Series S it requires a "gargantuan effort" by a massive first party developer that has intimate knowledge of the system and unlimited resources?
Source?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I know you're trying to cope, but you shouldn't make up numbers.
carloseduardocd
Member
The interesting point is about freedom for rendering engineers to build the asset-streaming in their own engines as they really want. Unreal Engine 5 has its requirements, other specific engines could build in another way.
But yes, 10MB per frame (33.33ms or even 16.66ms in future) deadline is not so much for the average SSD NVME gen3, but for sure requires a SSD.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think he just literally googled it and posted what he saw, without looking at the article which is explicitly *NOT* talking about the Series console
The actual article is talking about a Samsung T7 series of SSDs:
Bit of a dick move on googles part to write it like that too tho, lol.
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DenchDeckard
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Err, isn't the series x running a sustained 2300mbs? Or 2500? It's deffo more than the number you just said.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Team Andromeda
Member
The most pointless DF feature ever
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Yeah, I am deffo happy that we are at a point that ssds are being utilised and required. 40/80mbs hdds are finally a thing of the past.
It is interesting that Mark cerny mentioned in that ps5 dev video that developers requested 1000mbs ssds for this generation. I wonder if that was from epic after seeing the test with the slow ssd speed. Sony went all out on that SSD.
Kenpachii
Member
Makes u wonder why choose a 5,5gbps SSD to start with. seems like a waste of money.
Maybe they wanted to eliminate loading entirely but gave up half way or something.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Keep in mind that even at 220 MBps, this is something last gen consoles with 20 MBps HDDs could not have done. Insomniac couldnt even target the 50 MBps HDDs in every PS4 console because there was a chance people could replace them with slower 20 MBps HDDs.
But yes, 5.5 GBps seems to be overkill. PS studios better use it for some insane looking games because otherwise its just a gigantic waste of hardware that couldve been used elsewhere to beef up the GPU.
But yes, 5.5 GBps seems to be overkill. PS studios better use it for some insane looking games because otherwise its just a gigantic waste of hardware that couldve been used elsewhere to beef up the GPU.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Crazy that this demo could run on HDD. How is that so small? And I though I am on the top of the game, when making KC: D run on base consoles well not just me, but still. Was there with the team, sleeping on the ground, eating junk food and have fun on my life.
Alright, I will calm down.
Alright, I will calm down.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
This should be a bannable offense.
akaFullmetal
Member
Stupid fanboy shit.......geez, grow up
I read it wrong Windows central was talking about the Samsung SSD
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
The high speed streaming came from Epic themselves, so people would obviously take their word for it.
What's interesting is that Epic's texture streaming produces the same results as Sampler Feedback Streaming, something that people believed would give the XSX a major advantage over the PS5.
Their texture streaming only loads what the camera sees which lowers the cost of data stored.
Windows Central numbers for a Samsung drive is the 1st thing that pop up when you search the numbers
DaGwaphics
Member
Seems like a stretch to be honest. Who says their code arbitrarily runs best on Xbox?
I'm assuming they did a lot of optimization work on XSS, finding the right mix of settings to get the best results possible, but a lot of this work likely improved performance on both the big boys as well. This will be something that happens all gen long, the work that goes into streamlining the core experience for XSS will ultimately benefit XSX/PS5 in some way (improved resolution, frame rate, or effects). I would guess that the Coalition tried to get the best results possible for XSS/XSX but that doesn't mean their work was counter productive for PS5. I hope no one thinks that the Coalition sabotaged PS5 in some way LOL.