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Rivet
Member
If you have a 4K 120 Hz TV like LG OLEDs, use the "Fidelity" mode on Ratchet with "120 Hz" option on "Auto", it looks absolutely gorgeous and runs at 40 fps. Most beautiful game I've ever played...
I hope 40 fps modes on 120 Hz TVs become standard, at least as an option in future games. You keep both the incredible graphics and the fluidity.
I hope 40 fps modes on 120 Hz TVs become standard, at least as an option in future games. You keep both the incredible graphics and the fluidity.
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bargeparty
Member
MrFunSocks
Banned
Ok? I don’t care about digital foundry. I agree with some things they say, I disagree with others.
I agree with some things you say too, doesn’t change the fact I might think you’re dumb too. You’re one of those fanboys that only thinks in extremes. Somethings either the best or the worst, no in between. Someone either believes everything someone says or nothing.
I think Digital Foundry are dumb for not including FS in their 2021 lists because it released on a different platform earlier. That doesn’t mean that I think that everything Digital Foundry do or say is wrong and dumb, which is not the “gotcha” you’re gonna pretend it is.
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Bulletbrain
Member
^Has DF ever included the same game across multiple years (due to staggered releases) in their best tech lists? For example Death Stranding launched on PS in 2019 and was was in DFs 2019 best graphics list. However, the PC version was not included in the 2020 version. So they are consistent.
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
Let's agree to disagree on the Fur topic, fair enough. When I said the game leverage the SSD, I'm not saying that is because of the PS5 I/O subsystem (although it probably has in some capacity) but just the fact that the game is designed around SSD technology. Ratchet wouldn't work on an HDD, a SSD is not just data throughput, latency is also a key factor on the tech, We know that ratchet can work on nvme gen3 speeds because of the tests conducted by DF and others, but we can't forget that even that low-end nvme drive used the PS5 subsystem, compression and decompression pipeline to work. Draw distance can be taken into account when you have a lot of quality assets on screen. The game feel very solid, even the pop-in is minimal.
My commentary about Metro being last gen is simple. The game have low-poly objects and world that don't pass the same scrutiny as Ratchet assets. Playing with the photomode on Ratchet and zooming in objects and characters just show you how amazing the assets are, Metro that is a fps and is easy to see the lack of finesse on the world when you look them closely.
Maybe sound harsh those comments, I think that Metro is a great looking game and deserve to be on the list, but compared to Ratchet, it's not realy fair. Ratchet is just a more polished game, a true next-gen title, and it's just the beginning of the generation.
Tripolygon
Banned
I was gonna say but it doesn’t matter. It’s still an impressive looking game.
Topher
Gold Member
No idea why you need to use the word "dumb" at all. If you disagree then simply disagree. Same applies to NXG. Remember.....you are the one who used terms like "ridiculous" and "dumb". Not me. I omitted your rant about me because it is irrelevant, but if you want to talk in terms of "extremes" when dealing with other people's opinions then start there.
DaleinCalgary
Member
R+C is very pretty
MasterCornholio
Member
UM
You really need take some advice from the mods here of you want to stay with us. Unless you change I don't see you lasting much longer.
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Neo_game
Member
I do not see any reason why FS2020 would be considered again, especially since it did not have any enhancement from PC version.
But I would like to see Crysis trilogy remastered in the list. The colors in first one especially was not great idea but the textures, lighting is better. IMO it is right up there among the best. It was already way ahead of it time back in those days
But I would like to see Crysis trilogy remastered in the list. The colors in first one especially was not great idea but the textures, lighting is better. IMO it is right up there among the best. It was already way ahead of it time back in those days
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Topher
Gold Member
Third ban in less than two months now for console warring.
Let's talk about "extremes".
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Aguero9320
Member
I don't see how anyone can seriously argue against Ratchet coming first in this. On looks it is great. The game is bang average sadly, but it looks beautiful.
ethomaz
Banned
It looks pretty much cartoony imo.
ethomaz
Banned
Topher
Gold Member
No.....this is simply not true. I fired up the game and took these shots in photo mode myself.
I barely ever use photo mode so obviously not a pro at it, but in no way does the fur "disappear" in game play.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
He probably destroyed his PS5 after he was done making his garbage "analysis" threads. A useless troll account like MrFunSocks (good riddance...but once again too short)
John Wick
Member
It's amazing what Insomniac did in such a short time frame. It's easily the best graphics at the moment and like reviewers say playing a pixar movie in realtime.Ratchet looks spectacular in both gameplay and in realtime cutscenes.
Gameplay
Cutscene
Ignore the haters they have certain agenda's.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
If we start including games that release first time for that platform then death stranding wins this year
Topher
Gold Member
Go down that road and you could argue Death Stranding wins the last three years (2019: PS4, 2020: PC, 2021: DC). But.....let's not....
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Gameplaylover
Member
Can you do me a favor before your final ban? Make a meltdown thread that puts Kretos to shame. We need a counterpart for green rats.
sircaw
Banned
it looks fantastic to me, I don't get the horrendous look at all bit.No.....this is simply not true. I fired up the game and took these shots in photo mode myself.
I barely ever use photo mode so obviously not a pro at it, but in no way does the fur "disappear" in game play.
Sometimes i think people are just trolling for the hell of it.
Bo_Hazem
used to be our screenshot guy, but he left us for Reset/er, god damn traitor.Bring back Bo, Bring back bo, we all miss ya m8.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Lol exactly. Die hardman would swipe the award each year
Topher
Gold Member
Dontkidyourselfjimmy
Member
What does it do that is new? nice shading on planes? volumetric clouds? The assets streaming?
It looks great in many areas, but "running on S" doesn't mean it has a place in the list, there are hundreds and hundreds of games that run on the S.
It does look lovely from a distance but when you get up close to anything it looks like a PS1 gamehttps://ibb.co/tJpkym6
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
I think blue dildos woud be a nice throwback to that kretos thread, Following that logic Nintendo fans would probably be red fleshlights.And the most logical thing would be White holes for the Ouya fans...There's a theory that they exists but noone has ever seen any.
Edit: before any triggers it was done following how kretos wrote and does not reflect how I think ... Except for Ouya fans, I still don't think they exists.
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kyliethicc
Member
With how much this dude hates any mentions of Ratchet... I'm starting to think he's actually Dr Nefarious
GHG
Member
Hobbygaming
has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
Plot twist: VFX Veteran works for Insomniac Games and is just tired of drawing Ratchet
Lmao
Hobbygaming
has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
VFXVeteran
Banned
I was using hyperbole dude. The fur looks very sparse at the camera's distance and moving the character around in the game. It's nowhere near the same shading and certainly don't have the length of curves that it does in the cinematics. And yes, I owned a PS5 and bought all of their games at one point including this one.No.....this is simply not true. I fired up the game and took these shots in photo mode myself.
I barely ever use photo mode so obviously not a pro at it, but in no way does the fur "disappear" in game play.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
No.....this is simply not true. I fired up the game and took these shots in photo mode myself.
I barely ever use photo mode so obviously not a pro at it, but in no way does the fur "disappear" in game play.
The guy is semi-blind, the fur is there during gameplay in all graphical modes.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It' just short fur
VFXVeteran
Banned
Dude, I guarantee you that the game isn't using the same technique or assets while during gameplay. We went over this several times already and you all have to accept it for every game. My entire point in this thread is that sites should use actual gameplay as a means of judging a game's technology in graphics - not the cinematics - as they are misleading.
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NXGamer
Member
Like any game, it balances the LoD based on distance within Frustum. Up close, in gameplay, as shown here in Photo mode. The spline/clam/fur rendering is used and includes self-shadowing, in cinematics they bump up a light source or two, increase the fins/splines which just emphasizes this with the hero lighting, again nothing new here and is used across every single game on any platform and is just pedestrian at this point to balance load.
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VFXVeteran
Banned
There are not using self-shadowing man. Trust me. There is no ambient occlusion being used on any fur in any game.
LoD - the camera is locked so you can't see the fur strands unless you do go into photomode (which isn't playable). That's equivalent to me trying to say a texture is highly detailed but I can only see the 4th level of the MIP map texture which is very low resolution compared to Level 0 (highest level).
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NXGamer
Member
Wrong twice, I even show the self shadowing in my tech analysis earlier in the year.
Plus you can move the camera in gameplay up to a close wall and it pulls in, you have not played and, please stop making stuff up based on you bias.
EDIT: you can see it in the photo mode shot above even.
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SLB1904
Banned
If you play it you would know I guess
Three Jackdaws
Banned
Three Jackdaws
Banned
I almost spat out my tea when I saw this
VFXVeteran
Banned
You are seeing shadow maps from a proxy hair primitive. I have programmed this stuff before and know exactly what I'm seeing.
1) You can't use shadow maps on individual fur primitives because they are too small to be captured into a shadow map of any resolution. It's just not accurate. Imagine trying to sample a straight line into a grid of pixels to capture that straight line. You'd need damn near infinite resolution to capture it.
2) Ambient occlusion can only be done in 2 ways - both of which I did even before Pixar implemented their own ambient occlusion for fur. 1) You have to create a point cloud of all the fur primitives and then you have to sample from that point cloud. No game is going to do that in realtime. The other way is ray-tracing ambient occlusion. And we all know that that's not happening anytime soon.
Pulling the camera up close to trick the gameplay into rendering all the primitives isn't my way of trying to claim that a game has highly detailed fur primitives. That's a dishonest way of skirting the facts. I would never do that. I judge the game based on how it's meant to be played. But you do you.
Topher
Gold Member
Incredibly out of place conversation to be hyperbolic, to be honest. And I made no comment about what you own or have played.
tommib
Member
This a list and thread about graphics not gameplay structures.
VFXVeteran
Banned
I would agree. My mistake since people literally dissect all my words to try finding flaws or holes in it.
I've said enough, so I'll take my leave.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
We're in a graphics thread. You're looking for the GoTY awards thread:
Think of Ratchet and Clank like a Michael Bay movie. Shiny and flashy, but doesn't really win many critics awards.
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Pedro Motta
Member
Here you are, ONCE AGAIN, comparing realtime techniques vs Offline rendering techniques, why aren't you comparing this fur rendering to other videogame rendering tech?
This is realtime, and if there wasn't any compromises it would just be dumb application of the tech.
GymWolf
Member
This is a topic about graphic, if you wanna talk about gameplay you can go to the redhead appreciation topic, they are always with an arcade stick in their hands over there.
We also have one for brunettes.
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