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New 12 GB 3080 launched.
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Dream-Knife
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CrustyBritches
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That VRAM usage readout in RE2 is more like a vague estimation than an actual hard limit. DF tested it and mentioned the same thing. I've also tested this by doing 12GB on a 1060 6GB card without hitching or stuttering.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It will actually last you a lot longer than that.
Gen.Grievous
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Need to update that to $3000.
Insane Metal
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*paper launches
jufonuk
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Stuart360
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There probably wont be a game this gen that uses more than 12gb of vram. Hell i still havent seen a game that has maxed the 6gb on my 980ti, albeit i mostly play at 1080p but still.
Game will be targeting the ram amounts on the consoles this gen, whihc means like 10gb tops.
HeisenbergFX4
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Admittedly when it comes to this stuff I am quite ignorant on this subject.
That said the main reason I went with the 3090 is the amount of RAM as I wanted to eliminate that as a possible bottleneck as I too thought 10 GB was just too low.
It may be overkill for me gaming at 4k 160fps (when possible) and I will never need the RAM the 3090 has but I wanted it
I thought the 3090 was going to be a little future proofing for me but keep seeing the 4000 series will be announced this year and if the performance jump is there I am all in on the 4090
Bo_Hazem
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Admittedly when it comes to this stuff I am quite ignorant on this subject.
That said the main reason I went with the 3090 is the amount of RAM as I wanted to eliminate that as a possible bottleneck as I too thought 10 GB was just too low.
It may be overkill for me gaming at 4k 160fps (when possible) and I will never need the RAM the 3090 has but I wanted it
I thought the 3090 was going to be a little future proofing for me but keep seeing the 4000 series will be announced this year and if the performance jump is there I am all in on the 4090
When SSD's are normalized less VRAM won't be an issue going forward. You still have normal RAM as well, unlike consoles. But games are designed around Xbox Series S, and at best XSX and PS5 for multiplats.
Bo_Hazem
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HZD in 8K uses around 21GB of VRAM on 3090. On PC you'd aim for more than what the consoles can offer, high-end cards naturally.
Mister Wolf
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Just spend the money. You'll be happier with it. I don't regret buying my 3080Ti at all.
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Dream-Knife
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If you're going to upgrade every gen then future proofing is kind of irrelevant.Admittedly when it comes to this stuff I am quite ignorant on this subject.
That said the main reason I went with the 3090 is the amount of RAM as I wanted to eliminate that as a possible bottleneck as I too thought 10 GB was just too low.
It may be overkill for me gaming at 4k 160fps (when possible) and I will never need the RAM the 3090 has but I wanted it
I thought the 3090 was going to be a little future proofing for me but keep seeing the 4000 series will be announced this year and if the performance jump is there I am all in on the 4090
Uses, or allocates?
But we're still a ways off from 8k in gaming. At decent frame rates at least.
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HeisenbergFX4
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I only really upgrade when the performance jump is worth it like the 2000 series was kind of a stinker imo
If the leaks on the 4000 series are right about said performance jump I am jumping in on my main gaming PC
AGRacing
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I briefly had a 3070 in the house while playing Cyberpunk ... and frame rate would TANK if "allocated" exceeded 8 GB on that card . The only way around it was to adjust settings to bring it under 8.
If that's the result of exceeding allocated memory I don't care if it's allocated or used.
CuteFaceJay
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so it's a 3080 Ti only they forgot to put Ti in the name?
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Doczu
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You mean just for the GPU, right?
STARSBarry
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I'm sat here thinking "and wow I thought I overpaid at £750 for my RTX 3080"
StateofMajora
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It’s not moot. Textures don’t require processing power primarily, it’s vram. It will be able to use higher res textures before an 10gb 3080 runs out of vram.
Dream-Knife
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By the time games are using over 10gb for textures, your 3060 won't be playing at acceptable framerates. 3060 isn't a 4k card anyway.
DarkestHour
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It's not a paper launch if it's actually for sale. Hope that helps.
StateofMajora
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That is just not true. There are games that already want more than 10gb for highest textures.
I can play heavy 4k games on my 3060 with reduced settings, however textures are always at the highest setting. They don’t need to be reduced because of the high vram, it’s great. An 8gb 3070 will choke at native 4k doom eternal with max textures.
Witcher 3 is basically running at near max at 4k60 for example on 3060.
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Catphish
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As an aside, I was at MicroCenter this past weekend buying a new NVMe for my rig. For giggles, I went to the GPU case to see what they had.
Behold, a lone 3090 for $2300.
I said to my daughter who was with me, "Holy crap. Look at that. That's friggin insane."
Some guy next to me overheard and replied, "Yeah, but it's worth it."
I looked at him like the idiot he deserved to be looked at as.
I says, "I bought a 3080 at release for $800. You're telling me this thing is worth $1500 over that!?"
He nods enthusiastically and says, "Absolutely."
This is why we can't have nice things.
Behold, a lone 3090 for $2300.
I said to my daughter who was with me, "Holy crap. Look at that. That's friggin insane."
Some guy next to me overheard and replied, "Yeah, but it's worth it."
I looked at him like the idiot he deserved to be looked at as.
I says, "I bought a 3080 at release for $800. You're telling me this thing is worth $1500 over that!?"
He nods enthusiastically and says, "Absolutely."
This is why we can't have nice things.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Holy shit. Sadly that's how the market works, and it's the same for overpriced GPU's as for scalped consoles... They'll be there until people stop wanting to pay that much for them.
Patrick S.
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What a bot, haha
Ulysses 31
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You don't seem to be factoring in the current availability of an RTX 3090 at MSRP prices.
Dream-Knife
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What games?
On my 6800 I would run Insurgency Sandstorm with no texture streaming with the HD texture pack for better performance. That would allocate between 13 and 15gb of my vram. My 3080 with texture streaming still blows it away on performance.
This will become even less of an issue once DirectStorage is rolled out.
Catphish
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Just because something is jacked up in price from scarcity doesn't mean it's inherently worth that price. It may be the market value, but market value doesn't equal intrinsic value.
HeisenbergFX4
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Its worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it
Just because something is jacked up in price from scarcity doesn't mean it's inherently worth that price. It may be the market value, but market value doesn't equal intrinsic value.
Catphish
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Does the item hold that same value when supply returns to normal? No.
StateofMajora
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Allocating =\= requiring vram.
What games what? That I run at 4k? Damn near all of them.
Look i’m glad you like your 3080. It will still have vram issues before 3060. Far cry 6 already had an issue with the 10gb 3080 at least at launch. No matter how anyone wants to spin it, it’s beyond stupid that a 1080ti/3060 have more vram.
This isn’t a new revelation. My 4gb 1050ti always had the highest textures at 1080p for at least as long as I used it, where as 3gb or 2gb cards needed compromise with textures and other settings at times.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Doesn't matter its what its valued at right now and someone will pay that for it if they want it bad enough and have the money
Ulysses 31
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In capitalism, things are worth what people are willing to pay for it.
Doczu
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This is the reason why the prices won't go back to normal once the scarcity ends. No producer or retailer wants them to get lower.
I hope that the inflation and market crash will teach people to stop overpaying for stuff.
Dream-Knife
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Far Cry 6 is an AMD sponsored title with very strange performance. Wonder why that is.
Doom External is more sensitive to bandwidth, otherwise the 1080ti would outperform the 2070 if vram was the issue.
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StateofMajora
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Far Cry 6 is an AMD sponsored title with very strange performance. Wonder why that is.
Doom External is more sensitive to bandwidth, otherwise the 1080ti would outperform the 2070 if vram was the issue.
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Enjoy your 3080 bub. I don’t like purchase justifying arguments. Nobody is saying the 3060 is better than 3080! But you will have vram bottleneck, no getting around it. Wait until you see what vram the 4xxx series has. Cross gen period is also helping that 10gb vram buffer.
The fact is, you can have higher textures on a 3060 and time will reflect that more and more.
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Doczu
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No, you got it wrong.
No power to anyone thinking those prices are ok. None. Zero. Zip. Nothing
chromhound
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Dream-Knife
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Is 8GB of Vram enough for the 3070
For 1440p 8gb right now is OK. Doom Eternal will use over 7 on Nightmare, but at 4k it will over flow the memory buffer. I don't base cards on what they can do. It matters more to me on what they can't. Like, for example right if a card does not have enough VRAM for even one game at 4k? then it...
forums.overclockers.co.uk
This isn't a purchasing justification topic, I'm simply stating that the vram differences are essentially irrelevant.
By your own logic you should have sprung for the 6800. The 3060 is only getting 38 fps in Far Cry 6 at 4k ultra. The 8gb 2070 super out performs it too.
The 3060 has 12gb because it uses a 192 bit bus. Meaning it could either have 6 or 12gb. The 3060ti has 8gb because it uses a faster 256 bit bus, so it could either have 4 or 8gb. Obviously 4gb is too low for new games.
AMDs marketing is working well I see.
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PC gaming is about being better than consoles otherwise it wouldn't have much sense.
Over time we'll see games with extra/ultra quality settings for textures and other assets that will need more memory than what it is used in consoles.
And indeed the 3090 already has 24GB?
This is why I absolutely can't justify spending more than 1000$ for a GPU with just 12GB of RAM. 16GB should be the minimum for a future proofed high end card.
Unfortunately the global shortages situation plus nVidia being an arrogant market leader with poor competition has led to the worst case scenario. Products with disappointing upgrades, at absurd prices and impossible to find.
ZywyPL
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What does that even mean? Better it what way? Unless you're one of those strange people who cannot see beyond AAA titles, then yeah, better framerate/resolution/visuals is the only benefit you'll get on PC, but there's WAY more than that, just the genre/IPs that aren't available/suited for consoles, like, take LoL playerbase alone for example - in what way do you think they should feel they're "better" than console players? They don; dive a fuck, they just enjoy their beloved game that's not even available on consoles.
As for the GPU from the topic, let's wait for the OG 3080 to run out of VRAM first, because really, most likely RTX I/O will show up before that card runs out of VRAM, let alone the new model with 12.
Yeah I was talking just graphics-wise, in the sense of "I'm buying a 1500$ GPU to get something more graphics-wise than a 400-500$ console", not as a general platform of course.
There are obviously other advantages like mods, more freedom, more customizations,etc.
Let's see if nVidia announces the 4000 series later this year as the rumors claim, their prices and the RAM.
I want to get a new PC this year because my 4 years old notebook is well past its prime but this general situation is really unfortunate.
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Patrick S.
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These discussions about needing one bazillion Gigabytes of video RAM to be able to load ultra super duper textures that will let you distinguish a single grain of salt on the texture of a picnic table 600 meters away from the camera are really ridiculous.
People have really forgotten what gaming is about, and what is and what isn't important in a videogame.
People have really forgotten what gaming is about, and what is and what isn't important in a videogame.
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captainpat
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launched huh? Could have fooled me.
StateofMajora
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This is just sad. ultra settings are very over demanding for the visual return usually. I rather have the extra cash than spend 800 bucks on a single card. A card with 10gb vram that has less than a much older high end cards. But again, textures are basically free if you have the vram.Is 8GB of Vram enough for the 3070
For 1440p 8gb right now is OK. Doom Eternal will use over 7 on Nightmare, but at 4k it will over flow the memory buffer. I don't base cards on what they can do. It matters more to me on what they can't. Like, for example right if a card does not have enough VRAM for even one game at 4k? then it...
This isn't a purchasing justification topic, I'm simply stating that the vram differences are essentially irrelevant.
By your own logic you should have sprung for the 6800. The 3060 is only getting 38 fps in Far Cry 6 at 4k ultra. The 8gb 2070 super out performs it too.
The 3060 has 12gb because it uses a 192 bit bus. Meaning it could either have 6 or 12gb. The 3060ti has 8gb because it uses a faster 256 bit bus, so it could either have 4 or 8gb. Obviously 4gb is too low for new games.
AMDs marketing is working well I see.
If you know how to optimize settings, you could get 1080p60fps on witcher 3 with ultra textures back in the day on 1050ti which was far weaker than a 970. The ultra textures kept the game looking high end.
You’re incapable of admitting you’ve never seen a game where you had to lower textures personally because you didn’t have enough vram ; lack of experience. Or you’re bring intellectually dishonest.
So much fanboy type arguing and lack of experience in your posts, i’m ignoring you now haha.
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