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Microsoft: ‘Even with Activision Blizzard, we’ll be number three’ - The Activision deal will help it ‘build the next internet’

Bo_Hazem

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Just perfect.:messenger_tears_of_joy:

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Kagey K

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lol gotta love how these fanboys arent even hiding how they can make up conspiracy theories to fuel there agenda.

no thanks.
They literally want a Sony monopoly, and now realize it's never going to happen.

Hence the hissy fits.

They always said go where the games are, but now there's games they want to play and won't go to them.

It's the most fucking backwards brainwashed shit I've ever seen.
 
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Concern

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Damn, love how he just exposed himself with all that metaverse talk of conference rooms with Captain Price avatars nfts and ready player one talk.

Amazing, he’s just another idiot after all.


Love how you guys don't learn your lesson. At least they're being transparent. Sony going to just drop it all on you one day out the blue.

Then we will hear "out of context" or how metaverse and nfts are the best idea ever 🤣🤣
 

K2D

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What is he downplaying?

Is he wrong they are in 3rd?

I see people say stuff like Sony decimates MS almost daily here.

I'm very confused because somebody has to be lying.

Either Sony isn't decimating MS or MS isn't in 3rd.
Well, you're assuming anyone and everyone on gaf has a team in this.

Best case scenario New independant publishers will bounce back after a few years, or even old ones fision away from MS/others.
 
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I honestly don’t think the Activision acquisition will be as devastating for the competition as people may think, at least not until maybe 3 to 5 years generously speaking especially considering what Microsoft spent. Sure, it will give Microsoft a boost, but I don’t think we will see the true perks of this buyout until quite some time, especially if COD remains multiplatform for awhile which is the reason to buy Activision in the first place.

Remember those developers Microsoft purchased back in 2017? I don’t think we have seen one game released from them yet and we’re in 2022, so I’m wondering will this be a similar situation except a few games or COD will possibly be multiplatform? Guess we’ll see.
 
I honestly don’t think the Activision acquisition will be as devastating for the competition as people may think, at least not until maybe 3 to 5 years generously speaking especially considering what Microsoft spent. Sure, it will give Microsoft a boost, but I don’t think we will see the true perks of this buyout until quite some time, especially if COD remains multiplatform for awhile which is the reason to buy Activision in the first place.

Remember those developers Microsoft purchased back in 2017? I don’t think we have seen one game released from them yet and we’re in 2022, so I’m wondering will this be a similar situation except a few games or COD will possibly be multiplatform? Guess we’ll see.
Cope however you need to my brother.
 
Remember those developers Microsoft purchased back in 2017?
No, because they didn't purchase any developers in 2017.
I don’t think we have seen one game released from them yet
If we assume that you mean those developers acquired in 2018, Playground has delivered Forza Horizon 4 and 5, Compulsion has delivered We Happy Few, Obsidian has released The Outer Worlds and Grounded, and Inxile has released Wasteland 3.

At least do your homework before trolling :messenger_winking:
 

kingfey

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Yep -though market cap is not one of the relevant criteria here, rather the annual profits and cash flow; MS generates almost 8 times as much profit per year as Sony-, which is good for MS and bad for Sony, since the former can sustain losing money for years to establish total domination...
This is why its utter useless to compare those. MS generated 1/3rd of Activison purchase a profit this quarter. They can get those cash back again this year.

Its like you are being compared to a guy who owns Ferrari. That guy makes more money than you, and has the financial to buy more expensive stuff. Lives in expensive house. That is essential Sony vs MS.
 
No, because they didn't purchase any developers in 2017.

If we assume that you mean those developers acquired in 2018, Playground has delivered Forza Horizon 4 and 5, Compulsion has delivered We Happy Few, Obsidian has released The Outer Worlds and Grounded, and Inxile has released Wasteland 3.

At least do your homework before trolling :messenger_winking:
Oh? I see. Don’t know why I assumed the acquisitions were in late 2017, but my mistake if it was 2018. That’s why I said, I don’t think I seen any games released yet because I wasn’t 100% sure. I thought the games you listed were well in development already and I was mostly talking about the newer games like Hellblade 2, Avowed, Elder Scrolls 6, Starfield, that Rare game, etc, but you proved me wrong lol.
 
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assurdum

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lol gotta love how these fanboys arent even hiding how they can make up conspiracy theories to fuel there agenda.

no thanks.
"Conspiracy theories " :messenger_tears_of_joy: They will pushed the market to the subscription Gamepass model, even Sony is obliged to adapt them to such strategy rushly. No way they will have spent 3 billions for a company as Bungie some year ago. MS practically has their hands on the AAA western market thanks to their money, Sony and Nintendo can't do anything to stop them than follow their lead. If it's not monopoly I don't know how call it. You people are blinded to the fanboysm if you don't see such danger, not the others who are worried about such perspective.
 
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oldergamer

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humhum...

interesting. MS made more revenue in 2021 then Nintendo. I doubt they made as much profit, but who knows as a quarter of that is likely subscriptions

if you eventually add the AB revenue to this, they could be hovering around 24 billion revenue, which puts them in line with Sony.
 
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assurdum

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"The company I don't like is trying to create a monopoly, I use a laugh emoji for anyone who disagrees".
Listen dude even if it was Nintendo or Sony I wouldn't been happy about it. But you are as many others. You think the problem it's my perspective there?
 
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Three

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I see people say stuff like Sony decimates MS almost daily here.
You do? All I ever see is the likes of you and co going on about how Sony can't compete with MS and how it's doomed. In fact I hear from the grapevine including papa Phil that smallfry Sony isn't even a competitor because the real imaginary competitors are Google and Amazon.
 

Clear

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My understanding is that the big change in the judgement of anti-trust decisions is that they are now looking more broadly at the cross-business effects, as opposed to just the segment directly impacted by the merger/acquisition. So for instance although Alphabet's core business is Google search and the ad-revenue it generates, they will look at how any major acquisition synergizes with that business in terms of their overall market position and the ability for others to compete against it.

The theory being that by controlling business that feeds into their core enterprise they are creating massive and impregnable walled gardens within the online space.
 

kingfey

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I never implied he was explicitly lying. But he's deceitfully downplaying their position and their acquisition tactics.
He is corporate. He has teams of BR to come up with words like these.

Long term MS would have huge power with those outputs. Short term, it wont make an impact, until those studio releases the exclusive games.

he can use these tactics to have power for long term. Everyone who is focusing on short term, fail to see this option.
 

assurdum

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I honestly don’t think the Activision acquisition will be as devastating for the competition as people may think, at least not until maybe 3 to 5 years generously speaking especially considering what Microsoft spent. Sure, it will give Microsoft a boost, but I don’t think we will see the true perks of this buyout until quite some time, especially if COD remains multiplatform for awhile which is the reason to buy Activision in the first place.

Remember those developers Microsoft purchased back in 2017? I don’t think we have seen one game released from them yet and we’re in 2022, so I’m wondering will this be a similar situation except a few games or COD will possibly be multiplatform? Guess we’ll see.
Me too, but more big western companies/publisher could be tempted to join to the MS party asking billions because seeing the trend they feel more safe under their umbrella than stand-alone and risking more. That's what could be devastating for the AAA market.
 
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You do? All I ever see is the likes of you and co going on about how Sony can't compete with MS and how it's doomed. In fact I hear from the grapevine including papa Phil that smallfry Sony isn't even a competitor because the real imaginary competitors are Google and Amazon.
Papa Phil is right though. Google and Amazon have the means (endless money and their own infrastructure) to build a Gamepass competitor. With Sony it's different. They could build something similar to Gamepass but the monetary feasibility is questionable.
 

kingfey

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My understanding is that the big change in the judgement of anti-trust decisions is that they are now looking more broadly at the cross-business effects, as opposed to just the segment directly impacted by the merger/acquisition. So for instance although Alphabet's core business is Google search and the ad-revenue it generates, they will look at how any major acquisition synergizes with that business in terms of their overall market position and the ability for others to compete against it.

The theory being that by controlling business that feeds into their core enterprise they are creating massive and impregnable walled gardens within the online space.
That is how they look at big puchases. The impact it has on the industry, and the broader industry.

Nvidia and Arm deal has repercussion for the rest of the world. It gives unlimited power to 1 entity, and the ability to control most of the devices around the world.

MS and Disney purchase doesnt have that impact. Content is easy to make, and new industry can join the market. As long as that option is open, its not a problem.
 

K2D

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interesting. MS made more revenue in 2021 then Nintendo. I doubt they made as much profit, but who knows as a quarter of that is likely subscriptions
Watch their profits skyrocket once they start charging real money for gamepass.
 

assurdum

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Papa Phil is right though. Google and Amazon have the means (endless money and their own infrastructure) to build a Gamepass competitor. With Sony it's different. They could build something similar to Gamepass but the monetary feasibility is questionable.
Is it? Can you name all the Google and Amazon acquisition which put in danger the market? Because I could swear it's all in the MS court until now. You people believe too much to the nice face of Phil, with all respect.
 
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Three

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Papa Phil is right though. Google and Amazon have the means (endless money and their own infrastructure) to build a Gamepass competitor. With Sony it's different. They could build something similar to Gamepass but the monetary feasibility is questionable.
So why is Nadella trying to suggest they are third now? Is Sony a competitor or not to MS?

One day when Phil and co are trying to downplay the competition they aren't a competitor, another day when they are trying to get an acquisition to go through they are.

If gamepass is some kind of separate competitive market Amazon and Google are not even in the running and MS has a monopoly already then.
 
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Godot25

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Is it? Can you name all the Google and Amazon acquisition which put in danger the market?
What market is in danger? Are you delusional? "I can't play Diablo IV and Call of Duty 2024 on my PlayStation" does not mean "market is in danger"

Gaming market is so fragmented, that there is literally no argument that holds when you try "Microsoft is creating monopoly." Not in console space, and not in gaming space overall. And that stuff is not based on your platform preference but in numbers. Microsoft is second in console space after Sony. And after acquisition it will be third in gaming space overall.
 
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assurdum

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What market is in danger? Are you delusional? "I can't play Diablo IV and Call of Duty 2024 on my PlayStation" does not mean "market is in danger"

Gaming market is so fragmented, that there is literally no argument that holds when you try "Microsoft is creating monopoly." Not in console space, and not in gaming space overall.
It's what Good Phil say lol. They make acquisition to save the market to the evil of Google and Amazon adding Nintendo and Sony won't be a menace. Have you paid attention to his word? Or it's you the delusional?
 
So why is Nadella trying to suggest they are third now? Is Sony a competitor or not to MS?
Because Papa Satya is a different person (and basically a politician).
One day when Phil and co are trying to downplay the competition they aren't a competitor, another day when they are trying to get an acquisition to go through they are.
Yep, that's politics.
If gamepass is some kind of separate competitive market Amazon and Google are not even in the running and MS has a monopoly already then.
They tried and failed (Google failed entirely, Amazon is still kinda sorta trying). The fact that they have endless money and their own infrastructure makes them dangerous.
 

Thirty7ven

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Microsoft to FTC: If we won't buy Activision Blizzard, Tencent will
FTC: Okay...approved. Better you than those Chinese schmucks

More like, if we don't keep growing you're not gonna keep getting all this dark lobbying money that although 100% corrupt is 100% legal.
 

kingfey

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So why is Nadella trying to suggest they are third now? Is Sony a competitor or not to MS?
BR buzz words. He is sly corporate. It gives him advantages to buy another big publisher.

One day when Phil and co are trying to downplay the competition they aren't a competitor, another day when they are trying to get an acquisition to go through they are.
There was never a competition at all. You saw them spend $68.7b on cash. How is that a competition?

If gamepass is some kind of separate competitive market Amazon and Google are not even in the running and MS has a monopoly already then.
That service is like early netflix, and psnow exist.

The problem comes from these 2 big giants. Amazon and google have alot of money. They can buy Sony easily. Only reason why they cant, is because Sony is level 3 national security for japan.

These guys have money for a long term plan. Its why they are giants.

Youtube, and amazon shopping were nobodies. And now both these section are massive. That is what long term plan does to your business. Its why MS is afraid of them. They have the resources to make that happen.
 

Three

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What market is in danger? Are you delusional? "I can't play Diablo IV and Call of Duty 2024 on my PlayStation" does not mean "market is in danger"

Gaming market is so fragmented, that there is literally no argument that holds when you try "Microsoft is creating monopoly." Not in console space, and not in gaming space overall. And that stuff is not based on your platform preference but in numbers. Microsoft is second in console space after Sony. And after acquisition it will be third in gaming space overall.
You've missed the guys point. He's saying Amazon and Google are not a danger to the industry at all or even a competitor.
Because Papa Satya is a different person (and basically a politician).

Yep, that's politics.

They tried and failed (Google failed entirely, Amazon is still kinda sorta trying). The fact that they have endless money and their own infrastructure makes them dangerous.
I have a different opinion. It's Phil who is whispering sweet nothings into your ear like a politician not Satya. Amazon and Google are not a threat, they are struggling to compete in the market. Sony is MS' competitor in the gaming space and Phil and his fans usually speak nonsense about this topic.
 
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Godot25

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It's what Good Phil say lol. They make acquisition to save the market to the evil of Google and Amazon adding Nintendo and Sony won't be a menace. Have you paid attention to his word? Or it's you the delusional?
What? You can watch revenue numbers of PlayStation, Nintendo, Xbox and Activision Blizzard to see what the reality of market is.
It's not like Phil is bullshiting. Because he is saying truth. And you can check that truth through official numbers....

Microsoft laywers don't even need to say they are "saving games industry from Google and Amazon."
 
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