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Poor optimization or is the Series X/PS5 underpowered? Dying light 2 as reference

PeteBull

Member
Maybe?

I have the feeling most GAFers will be blind if the game looks bad as last-gen games but have high framerate.

60fps game will look like last-gen 30fps games imo.
Cant generalise but indeed from what we saw many ps4pro 30fps games got 60fps modes on ps5, so u can tell from that alone ps5 has at the very least 2x cpu and gpu oomph even if its not optimised to the bone, if its max optimised its 4x cpu power and 3x gpu power vs ps4pro.
Will be really interesting when we see gt7 ps4 vs ps4pro vs ps5 comparisions, same with horizon zd and god of war ragnarok =]

As an apetiser i suggest checking digital foundry's spiderman/miles morales videos, u cant deny talent or effort insomaniac put into that title.
 

Sosokrates

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Maybe?

I have the feeling most GAFers will be blind if the game looks bad as last-gen games but have high framerate.

60fps game will look like last-gen 30fps games imo.

Returnal already looks better and its 60fps.

Graphics will improve,scope will get bigger, NPCs will become more releastic and audio will be better.

But this gen I expect visual improvements to be more subtle this gen.

Even the matrix demo is subtle, nanite is great the lods and draw distinace is impressive but when playing a game your eyes are not focused on the detail of a fire hydrant or lamp post. Realtime dynamic Gi is nice but last gen got really quite got at baked Gi.

Im still holding out for some more impressive fluid and particle effects this gen.
 

Sosokrates

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Comparing is fine. It's projecting some expectation that every studio has to hit some criteria when it comes to visuals and resolution and framerate that's obnoxious. Dev is extremely complex

Its not projecting anything.
Its competition. Dying light 2 is significantly lower resolution @ 60fps on the current gens compared to other games. This is not a good thing, simple as.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Returnal already looks better and its 60fps.

Graphics will improve,scope will get bigger, NPCs will become more releastic and audio will be better.

But this gen I expect visual improvements to be more subtle this gen.

Even the matrix demo is subtle, nanite is great the lods and draw distinace is impressive but when playing a game your eyes are not focused on the detail of a fire hydrant or lamp post. Realtime dynamic Gi is nice but last gen got really quite got at baked Gi.

Im still holding out for some more impressive fluid and particle effects this gen.
Compare Returnal to some 30fps games on Pro or XB1X.

In any case Returnal doesn’t look good on 4k TVs… I know because I have that setup… it looked better on my old 1080p setup.
 
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ethomaz

Banned
Cant generalise but indeed from what we saw many ps4pro 30fps games got 60fps modes on ps5, so u can tell from that alone ps5 has at the very least 2x cpu and gpu oomph even if its not optimised to the bone, if its max optimised its 4x cpu power and 3x gpu power vs ps4pro.
Will be really interesting when we see gt7 ps4 vs ps4pro vs ps5 comparisions, same with horizon zd and god of war ragnarok =]

As an apetiser i suggest checking digital foundry's spiderman/miles morales videos, u cant deny talent or effort insomaniac put into that title.

GT7 is indeed a good comparison because the previous game was 60fps too.

The let down happens more in 30fps last gen game on Pro/X that have 60fps sequels this gen.
 
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Game is pretty ambitious. No doubt there's an optimisation to be done but the city is so damn impressive with it's scale and verticality. Can't be easy to optimise this. I figured it was smoke and mirrors like with Cyberpunk but they actually delivered here.
 
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mortal

Gold Member
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ChiefDada

Gold Member
The original Twitter talks about their stopping to play the game because the motion blur, FOV, 30fps, etc on Series X and S.

The reply says motion blur is being fixed, FOV is being considered for future patches and Series S’s GPU is holding them to reach a better framerate like 60fps in that machine (Series X already have a 60fps option).

His reply was direct related with what the guy asked.

Right, I understand now. Ugh it's a shame because he would've been better off without the last sentence - his underlying intention behind the statement don't align with platform fanatics' interpretation. I hope he doesn't get too much flack from higher ups. This is why game devs don't openly discuss more often.
 

ArtHands

Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Everybody has every right to whine about what they want. You can always visit a different thread that aligns more with your interests.

Though I fear part of those interests lie with visiting threads like this and being smug about your choice of silicon.
No, certainly not. If we were just comparing for giggle and FYI sake, that's fine, just accept it. If you are unhappy with facts, eject from the thread yourself.
 

Sosokrates

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Compare Returnal to some 30fps games on Pro or XB1X.

In any case Returnal doesn’t look good on 4k TVs… I know because I have that setup… it looked better on my old 1080p setup.

Yeah I actually think the chracter models of gears 5 look better then returnals and the environments are on par, however the particle and fog effects are something new, but its hard to know because its a PS5 exclusive.

Everything so far this gen is what I would of expected from a ps4 pro 2 or x1x 2. Not a new gen.

Somtimes I find it bizarre how impressed folks are by the visuals this gen so far.

To me it just feel like QOL improvements, like upgrading your PC.

BUT.. this is probably just the reality of the technology at the moment.
It seems now each generation requires a lot bigger hardware improvement for the types of generational improvements we have had in the past.
 

Midn1ght

Member
From what I remember on PS4, the first one was janky with piss filter and chromatic aberration all over the place.
They fixed the game and gave the option to remove the chromatic aberration + tons of extra content and fixes for years.

1440p/60 would definitely be better.
Hopefully they will fix a lot of issues in the coming weeks/months and optimize the game on the go.

Big multi platform open world games will always be rough around the edges at launch, specially when they have to work on so many versions (PS4, PS4 Pro, PS5, One, One X, Series S, Series X, and PC)



 
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Ev1L AuRoN

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Ray Tracing is very taxing on RDNA2, the game is heavy enough using rasterization, without techniques like DLSS it is very hard to achieve high fps while using RT. The game needs 1080p to be able to achieve consistently 60fps.

Looking the game on PC you quickly understand why the run the way it does on consoles. It's a heavy title, and consoles can't even do the same level of RT compared to PC. Those consoles are powerful, but they don't do miracles, and RT will always be somewhere limited on them.
 

Inviusx

Member
The 1080p lock on performance mode literally stopped me from buying the game the day of release. That being said they seem pretty adamant that they want to improve the experience post launch so if they manage to increase the resolution on performance mode I would happily buy the game at full price. The no HDR thing is also an issue but not a deal breaker for me.

Let's wait and see.
 

PeteBull

Member
Everything so far this gen is what I would of expected from a ps4 pro 2 or x1x 2. Not a new gen.
If u wanna compare gen on gen then go for ps4 vs ps5 or xbox one s vs xsx, no midgen and no xss.
Good comparision from previous gen would be last of us on ps3 vs ps4's remaster where both versions of the game got tons of love from the devs, and opposite on the spectrum, watch dogs ps3 vs ps4 where both versions were just multiplatform, especially ps3 port was pure afterthought with minimal effort.
 

Sosokrates

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If u wanna compare gen on gen then go for ps4 vs ps5 or xbox one s vs xsx, no midgen and no xss.
Good comparision from previous gen would be last of us on ps3 vs ps4's remaster where both versions of the game got tons of love from the devs, and opposite on the spectrum, watch dogs ps3 vs ps4 where both versions were just multiplatform, especially ps3 port was pure afterthought with minimal effort.

I comepare killzone 3 with killzone shadowfall and compare TLOU2 with demon souls remastered.

The first comparison is a way bigger difference.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Cant generalise but indeed from what we saw many ps4pro 30fps games got 60fps modes on ps5, so u can tell from that alone ps5 has at the very least 2x cpu and gpu oomph even if its not optimised to the bone, if its max optimised its 4x cpu power and 3x gpu power vs ps4pro.
Will be really interesting when we see gt7 ps4 vs ps4pro vs ps5 comparisions, same with horizon zd and god of war ragnarok =]

As an apetiser i suggest checking digital foundry's spiderman/miles morales videos, u cant deny talent or effort insomaniac put into that title.

The year is 2022 and people are seriously trying to put motherfucking TECHLAND up against Insomniac.
 

Skifi28

Member
Facts being that consoles run at a lower performance than PC
You're speaking like PC is a one size fits all platform. Some PCs perform better than consoles, others the same while many more worse. I also have a PC for games and it's worse than my PS5. There are no facts in your posts, mostly bias. Also, this isn't even really the main point of discussion in the thread, but you swooped in just to say that people on consoles apparently don't have any rights to complain. It's sad really.
 
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Pagusas

Elden Member
Are you saying DL2 isn't a looker? I think it is.
i’d go so far as to say it’s damn ugly, like a Missouri 6. it gets even uglier when you hold it up to it’s own e3 previews. feels like another game that was all fake demos/linear slices, and then the developer has to actually make a real game in 10 months, and what we got was this gross looking abortion
 
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Fbh

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Techland aren't particularly known for their amazingly optimised games.

The new consoles are fine, people just need to realize they won't get a miracle machine from a device that starts as low as $399.
They're underpowered compared to what? A $2K PC? Sure.

The one true shame about these new consoles is that AMD has no upscaling tech as good as DLSS
 

ChiefDada

Gold Member
i’d go so far as to say it’s damn ugly, like a Missouri 6. it gets even uglier when you hold it up to it’s own e3 previews. feels like another game that was all fake demos/linear slices, and then the developer has to actually make a real game in 10 months, and what we got was this gross looking abortion

Well damn...
 
They couldn’t even get a patch out for the original or DRS in any form, of course it’s not fully optimized. Probably just not a priority or easy thing for them to accomplish in that engine.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
This right here is why this industry is going down the shitter. This isnt just devs being lazy or talentless hacks. Nah, this is full on corrupt fucking behavior. They clearly had this game running on some kind of 2018 GPU like the 1080 Ti since the rtx cards hadnt even been released yet. The next gen consoles are roughly as powerful as the 1080 Ti and shouldve been able to run this game at this level of fidelity, but nope. They downgraded the whole fucking thing and produced a gross looking game for everyone.

This excellent comparison from NickFire just shows how absolutely dirty this dev really is. No morals. Just a bunch of corrupt cunts.



The fact that this continues to happen a decade after Watch dogs and Witcher 3 is proof that the gaming industry including the media and the fans simply dont hold these cunts accountable. Witcher 3 was awarded more awards than ever before. Watch dogs reviewed very well. No one even DF really bothered about the downgrades.

This time around Alex jerked off and jizzed all over his RT video as if RT makes the game look like that. It's a sad sorry state of affairs when tech reviewers dont give a shit about downgrades and lies.

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kingfey

Banned
This right here is why this industry is going down the shitter. This isnt just devs being lazy or talentless hacks. Nah, this is full on corrupt fucking behavior. They clearly had this game running on some kind of 2018 GPU like the 1080 Ti since the rtx cards hadnt even been released yet. The next gen consoles are roughly as powerful as the 1080 Ti and shouldve been able to run this game at this level of fidelity, but nope. They downgraded the whole fucking thing and produced a gross looking game for everyone.

This excellent comparison from NickFire just shows how absolutely dirty this dev really is. No morals. Just a bunch of corrupt cunts.



The fact that this continues to happen a decade after Watch dogs and Witcher 3 is proof that the gaming industry including the media and the fans simply dont hold these cunts accountable. Witcher 3 was awarded more awards than ever before. Watch dogs reviewed very well. No one even DF really bothered about the downgrades.

This time around Alex jerked off and jizzed all over his RT video as if RT makes the game look like that. It's a sad sorry state of affairs when tech reviewers dont give a shit about downgrades and lies.

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Gamers sadly spend money first, and talk later.
Its why I dont bother with forum talk. When these shits happens every time, all I hear is just bark and no action.
 

ethomaz

Banned
with 120fps on the rise, people will scream at 60 fps in 6 years from now.
120fps looks so bad that for me is unplayable… I didn’t buy a new console to play PS3 graphic level.

Consoles should not aim 120fps.
 
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kingfey

Banned
120fps looks so bad that for me is unplayable… I didn’t buy a new console to play PS3 graphic level.

Consoles should not aim 120fps.
You will get used to it. You have been gaming at 30 fps for a long time, then 60 fps. 120fps is a huge jump for you.
I experience the magnificent that is 145 fps, and everything was clear. But that was shooter game on my pc though.
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
The rt hardware in these consoles are AMD based and AMDs solution is roughly 50% worse than nvidias even on PC. So yes is the hardware.

There is also something else going on behind the scenes where some games like guardians are able to do 4k 30 but struggle to do even 1080p 60 fps. There is likely a bottleneck in the Ram bandwith where cpu and gpu need way more than the 448 gbps in the ps5. No idea what’s going on with the xbox Series x. Could be due to their split ram architecture. PCs have dedicated vram for gpu while the cpu uses the slower ddr4 ram not in the ps5 xsx for cost reasons.

Even with first party 4k 30 fps games like ratchet, you can see that they had to downgrade the lighting, the reflections, traffic and pedestrian density to get it to work at 1440p and it can still drop to 1080p at times. It has to be a bandwidth issue.
Truth to be told, doing it's own engine is simply hard, when you don't have console architect behind your back (like with Sony games) or you are not a 4A Studios.Most important is always to move to the most modern API, which is provided and I deeply doubt this is even a question here, what was used... Sure it has RT, but the price for that seems really severe even on PC....
 

lh032

I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
I refuse to believe the current gen consoles cant do an upscaled 4k with 60fps.

1080P , 60 fps without RT!? WTF!?
 
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lh032

I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
Well said. The loading times are a joke.(1080p/60fps also😉)

i dont understand why PS5 is the slowest.

Do they just port the game from PS4 PRO or something?

That makes no sense as PS5 SSD is the fastest, and this is a native PS5 version!
 

kingfey

Banned
I refuse to believe the current gen consoles cant do an upscaled 4k with 60fps.

1080P , 60 fps without RT!? WTF!?
The game is down right messy. From e3 downgrade, to bugs.
Here is few of the things they are working on now. Sorry for the bad quality. Its hard to take pages from reddit to here.


r/dyinglight - Here are the hot fixes that Techland are working on for all platforms

r/dyinglight - Here are the hot fixes that Techland are working on for all platforms

r/dyinglight - Here are the hot fixes that Techland are working on for all platforms
 
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