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In 2021 Sony accounted for 46% of all spend on console games, hardware and services

reksveks

Member
Not 100% what conversion rates Pier is using.

His numbers would suggest 27.6bn usd for Sony.

I have 24.9 and ZhugeEX is something similar

 
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Zeroing

Banned
1% gain in hardware release year, peak Gamepass with Halo Infinite and Forza Horizon.

Guess MS buying AB is more of a necessity than I realized.
But Phill said PlayStation and Nintendo aren’t their competition….
Oh wait never mind Phil talks a lot.

But really, outside USA, Xbox brand doesn’t have much impact and it will take many years delivering a steady output of good games to make things at the same level as Nintendo and Sony!
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
Paradigm shifts start small, this is why you need to spot these things early to adapt.

As expected but unless Sony has done something drastic, it won't look like this by 2024. MS will have completely closed the gap or taken the lead thanks to the Bethesda and Activision purchases.
soon GIF
 
Sony are the leader in subscriptions, MTX etc. That is obviously very dependent on being most gamers ‘go to’ console. That is why Sony heavily partner with Fortnite, FIFA, COD etc.
If people start to turn to other systems because they are available and still decide to play those games, that chunk of change ends up in Microsoft or Nintendo’s pockets.

Sony need to keep people in the PlayStation ecosystem. They stand to lose the most the more the chip shortage continues as they’ll fall further and further behind their internal projections pre-pandemic. This is why Sony have made games cross gen so that people continue to use and buy games on PS4, and keep their MTX purchases through the PlayStation Store.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I might be dumb but would have thought that 46% would have been of 60bn so 0.46*60 = 27.6
Oh gotcha.

Yeah their number seems high in general. That $60 billion for the entire industry is higher than Sony's console business revenue report + Nintendo's entire revenue + Xbox's entire revenue reported which is 55.5 billion or so.. and XBox's revenue includes PC. Nintendo's revenue also includes some non-console business. So the actual "Console" business is something below 55.5 billion.

I think their percentage is still pretty spot on, but honestly not sure where they really get that full $60 billion from when it's higher than the actual company's reporting by quite a bit.
 
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reksveks

Member
Oh gotcha.

Yeah their number seems high in general. That $60 billion is higher than Sony's console business revenue report + Nintendo's entire revenue + Xbox's entire revenue reported which is 55.5 billion or so.. and XBox's revenue includes PC. Nintendo's revenue also includes some non-console business. So the actual "Console" business is something below 55.5 billion.

I think their percentage is still pretty spot on, but honestly not sure where they really get that full $60 billion from when it's higher than the actual company's reporting by quite a bit.
Wondering if the disconnect is physical game sales where the platform holders might be only including their revenue cut. This estimate might include the whole revenue.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I'm hearing how things will shift dramatically ever since Phil is head of Xbox.
Meanwhile PlayStation keeps breaking all their annual record numbers every year.
And Xbox keeps breaking their annual revenue records as well, every year.

Sony still maintains by far the more popular console platform, but MS continues to out-pace that difference when it comes to revenue partly due to PC partly due to likely a higher "per console sold spend on software."
 
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Dr Bass

Member
As expected but unless Sony has done something drastic, it won't look like this by 2024. MS will have completely closed the gap or taken the lead thanks to the Bethesda and Activision purchases.
It's possible. Taking Activision revenue in as their own will certainly be a boost to total revenue under MS' accounting. Zenimax was estimated at under 500 million in revenue a year so that's sort of a non issue, and then of course NOT selling games as a result of making them exclusive and putting them on a sub service ...

But MS also just spent 70 billion on Activision. And now they have to pay salaries and costs of these massive studios. They are never recouping that money from video game profits in the foreseeable future. Remember, Activision wanted to sell itself. I wonder how that accounting for the Activision purchase is going to happen actually. I really wish they would put it under the gaming division ... but they won't. Also, if they are being truthful they are going to continue to treat Activision as a third party. So what are people "rooting" for here? Do you want MS to be number 1 in some number like revenue for some stupid reason? I honestly don't get it. No one is going away. Sony, Nintendo, and MS are going to be in this business for years and years to come. Is this really how people want to expend their energy? It's already been happening for 20 years ... do people want to keep at this garbage for another 20? And here I thought we are here because we like to play games.

Point is, it's not really "closing the gap" in the way you think it is. It's just buying up market share, not growing your own software stables. Even if it's "taking the lead." It just means nothing if it's done solely through spending their parents money so to speak. And what about profits? What matters most is the profit. They should start sharing P&Ls like any decent public company. Hiding numbers always looks ridiculous no matter who is doing it.

Bottom line, consolidating the industry under your umbrella with money earned from Windows and Office is just not impressive IMO.
 

Swift_Star

Banned
That is not how this thing works out. MS advantage will disappear in 1-2 years from now. Right now, PS4 is saving their asses. Once that disappears, MS would be the number 1 in the revenue generated, once activision deal is done.
Remember in 2023-2024, MS will have massive line up of games, plus upcoming unannounced bethesda games. Not to mention they will own tons of games which generates massive amount of money from MTX.
Source: wishful thinking.
 

Zeroing

Banned
Sony are the leader in subscriptions, MTX etc. That is obviously very dependent on being most gamers ‘go to’ console. That is why Sony heavily partner with Fortnite, FIFA, COD etc.
If people start to turn to other systems because they are available and still decide to play those games, that chunk of change ends up in Microsoft or Nintendo’s pockets.

Sony need to keep people in the PlayStation ecosystem. They stand to lose the most the more the chip shortage continues as they’ll fall further and further behind their internal projections pre-pandemic. This is why Sony have made games cross gen so that people continue to use and buy games on PS4, and keep their MTX purchases through the PlayStation Store.
I’ve seen worse theories on neogaf this one makes some sense!
Let’s not forget that all companies need to keep people on their ecosystem!

they managed to survive the PS3 era, I’m pretty sure they aren’t worried! Sony isn’t afraid to make new games! And it seems people like that!
 

kingfey

Banned
Good thing for Sony then the biggest titles from Activision and Blizzard aren't leaving.
Sony will get 30%, while MS will get 70%. In this case, MS would be so happy for Sony to have these games, as that will generate alot of money for them. Playstation+xbox+pc is alot of revenue for MS. Much better than making it exclusive. Considering activision made around $5b from mtx sales.

 
Good thing for Sony then the biggest titles from Activision and Blizzard aren't leaving.

Sony are also aggressively going after the PC market and you can bet their service games will all get PC launches. I’d be surprised if they didn’t launch day and date on PC to be honest.

What tangible benefit does Factions have to being locked to PS4 and PS5? Service games need a wide net for buzz, player numbers and to grow the audience.

Twisted Metal
Factions
Haven’s games
Guerilla’s MP game.
Firewalk’s MP game.
Deviation’s MP game.

They should all launch on PC day and date with robust season plans ready to go.
 
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ChiefDada

Gold Member
Or multiplayer?

Why shackle a GAAS title to 2013 hardware when they can last 5+, 10+ years?

Money. Most of today's multiplayer games are f2p, therefore releasing to a wider install base is more attractive to a developer. The faster a gaas title attracts a large install base, the better.

Also, there is less focus on new tech implementation and more emphasis on gameplay with multiplayer, so the demand for "next gen only" is much less.

I am not advocating for Sony to make multiplayer cross gen, just saying that if they made that choice, I would understand the reasons behind it.
 

Zeroing

Banned
Not lately. He got muzzled by his bosses while they’re sweating out approval.
Oh yeah! I did noticed the lack of “phil says” threads!

About the approval! I dunno what is happening but after all that PR talk from the CEO of MS it seems things aren’t going smoothly… the lawsuits from the shareholders from Activision…are just a sign of that!
 

Lognor

Banned
Sony are also aggressively going after the PC market and you can bet their service games will all get PC launches. I’d be surprised if they didn’t launch day and date on PC to be honest.

What tangible benefit does Factions have to being locked to PS4 and PS5? Service games need a wide net for buzz, player numbers and to grow the audience.

Twisted Metal
Factions
Haven’s games
Guerilla’s MP game.
Firewalk’s MP game.
Deviation’s MP game.

They should all launch on PC day and date with robust season plans ready to go.
Are they aggressively going after PC? It sure doesn't feel that way. One to two PC ports that come years after the PS4 version feel anything but aggressive. Microsoft is going aggressively after PC. Releasing day and date games on PC is what aggressively going after PC looks like. Microsoft's last AAA game - Halo Infinite - launched day and date on PC. Sony's last AAA game - Horizon Zero Dawn 2 - is nowhere to be seen on PC. In fact, we only just got the first game on PC not too long ago. That's not aggressive. That's table scraps.
 

yurinka

Member
Sony are also aggressively going after the PC market and you can bet their service games will all get PC launches. I’d be surprised if they didn’t launch day and date on PC to be honest.
Their record so far is 4 games released several years aftter their original PS games. I wouldn't call this aggresive or something that would indicate day one PC releases.

What tangible benefit does Factions have to being locked to PS4 and PS5? Service games need a wide net for buzz, player numbers and to grow the audience.

Twisted Metal
Factions
Haven’s games
Guerilla’s MP game.
Firewalk’s MP game.
Deviation’s MP game.

They should all launch on PC day and date with robust season plans ready to go.
In PC 30% of the revenue generated by the game goes to Valve plus Sony also loses the PS Plus revenue for the multiplayer plus games being exclusive help to sell consoles, which generate most of Sony's money mostly thanks to the 3rd party games for the console. Plus these games are also good content to give them on Plus or Now.

PC is a good idea for them to port there some of (not all) their old games that already generated all the money they could on console, got discounted and included in Plus/Now. But not day one and not will all their games. They need exclusive stuff, it's way more important.
 
Good thing for Sony then the biggest titles from Activision and Blizzard aren't leaving.
Well, Warzone and Overwatch will stay for sure. Sony generates a lot of revenue from MTX on PS4 (with 110m+ userbase) from the games like COD, GTA, Fortnite etc.


We'll be interesting to see the score after 2024 (?) I guess? Also after the next Microsoft acquisitions too.
 
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Are they aggressively going after PC? It sure doesn't feel that way. One to two PC ports that come years after the PS4 version feel anything but aggressive. Microsoft is going aggressively after PC. Releasing day and date games on PC is what aggressively going after PC looks like. Microsoft's last AAA game - Halo Infinite - launched day and date on PC. Sony's last AAA game - Horizon Zero Dawn 2 - is nowhere to be seen on PC. In fact, we only just got the first game on PC not too long ago. That's not aggressive. That's table scraps.

They bought one of the best PC port studios in the world in Nixxes. That is a huge indicator of their intent.
 

Lognor

Banned
They bought one of the best PC port studios in the world in Nixxes. That is a huge indicator of their intent.
Maybe they're making moves to be aggressive in the PC space, but they're not there yet. Indicators are not actions. Three year old ports ain't it. Where is my HZD2 on PC? Where is the Uncharted 4 game promised that just released on PS5? Where is GT7? Nowhere to be seen.
 
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