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The Horizon: Forbidden West State of Play Gameplay Wasn't Actually From the Game

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I think its a shame that the scene with the turtle never happened in the main story, in the game its just some random spot where the thing hangs out ...
 

Sosokrates

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Do I really need to link you the SoP video?
It still says "Gameplay"

Most people who watch this video got the impression that this is a section from the final game and it is how the final game eould look.

If someone would of said it will be downgraded and that section would not be in the final game, they would of been piled on and attacked in the SOP thread immediately.

But I will remember this for the next big "gameplay" showing and if they have that same disclaimer, you will have no problem with me saying that this is not final gameplay and could likely change?
 

Tripolygon

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It still says "Gameplay"

Most people who watch this video got the impression that this is a section from the final game and it is how the final game eould look.

If someone would of said it will be downgraded and that section would not be in the final game, they would of been piled on and attacked in the SOP thread immediately.

But I will remember this for the next big "gameplay" showing and if they have that same disclaimer, you will have no problem with me saying that this is not final gameplay and could likely change?
Most people? Go on, show me the poll you created where people got the impression that this section was from the final game and are now disappointed that it is not in the game. What are you even arguing?

Gameplay just literally means game play. Playing a game. The point of it is to show the game mechanics, they were literally discussing the new mechanics during the gameplay.
 

Sosokrates

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Most people? Go on, show me the poll you created where people got the impression that this section was from the final game and are now disappointed that it is not in the game. What are you even arguing?

Gameplay just literally means game play. Playing a game. The point of it is to show the game mechanics, they were literally discussing the new mechanics during the gameplay.
Just look at the threads about the SOP and the video.
 

Tripolygon

Banned
Just look at the threads about the SOP and the video.
I was in that thread. Never once occurred to me to think I wonder if this is gonna be in the final game. I was just excited to see the gameplay reveal and the new game mechanics and of course the new robo animals.
 

Sosokrates

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I was in that thread. Never once occurred to me to think I wonder if this is gonna be in the final game. I was just excited to see the gameplay reveal and the new game mechanics and of course the new robo animals.
But people were impressed and excited by the visuals though, because they wanted to play the final game with those amazing visuals. Sure the final game still looks great but I hate when gameplay reveals give a false impression. Its nice when a game either looks the same or surpasses pre release gameplay showings.
 
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Tripolygon

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But people were impressed and excited by the visuals though, because they wanted to play the final game with those amazing visuals. Sure the final game still looks great but I hate when gameplay reveals give a false impression. Its nixe when a game either looks the same or surpasses pre release gameplay showings.
But people are impressed and excited about the visuals of the final game too. The final game looks every bit as good as the SOP reveal.
 
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azertydu91

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But people were impressed and excited by the visuals though, because they wanted to play the final game with those amazing visuals. Sure the final game still looks great but I hate when gameplay reveals give a false impression. Its nixe when a game either looks the same or surpasses pre release gameplay showings.
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To another bullshit because no tech video has claimed downgrade.
 

Snake29

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But people were impressed and excited by the visuals though, because they wanted to play the final game with those amazing visuals. Sure the final game still looks great but I hate when gameplay reveals give a false impression. Its nice when a game either looks the same or surpasses pre release gameplay showings.

The final game looks even better...so what kinda crack are you smoking today?
 

GymWolf

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It is not the first time, Horizon Zero Dawn reveal gameplay sequence does not exist in the final game. At no point do you see 2 tall necks walking together. You never encounter 2 thunder jaws walking together, the stealth grass that was used in the demo was changed to a different type of grass in the final game.



All developers especially from big studios make vertical slices. Why are you intent on this ignorance? A vertical slice is just a polished playable demo, it does not have to make it into the final product in the same exact form, but often it is a single level of the game with all the mechanics and game systems put together.

You have one place on the map where you can find 2 thunderjaws together, you can even make them the fight with the override.

The tallneck are horizon towers, and they are kinda rare, only 5 of them, that's why you don't have 2 of them together, it has no sense from a gameplay perspective (or lore) to have 2 of them in the same place.

Grass being changed is really super minor thing.

At least for horizon 1 there is a reason why they changed the vertical slice.
 

Fbh

Member
The visuals are not very similar though, there is more global illumination and water effects in the demo.
Theres additional geometry in the demo, theres additional lighting in the demo and the colours are different.

If you're cool with this thats fine, but I would prefer if these early showings would either look like what your getting in the retail version or be more honest about what it is.

I don't know man, seems very comparable to me.
I watched the video you posted in the previous page and while it's a mixed bag, I like the look of the retail release better in many of those shots.

You are making it sounds as if it was something like this:
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Sosokrates

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I don't know man, seems very comparable to me.
I watched the video you posted in the previous page and while it's a mixed bag, I like the look of the retail release better in many of those shots.

You are making it sounds as if it was something like this:
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I never said it was a huge difference but I definitely prefer how the SOP demo looks
 

Tripolygon

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You have one place on the map where you can find 2 thunderjaws together, you can even make them the fight with the override.

The tallneck are horizon towers, and they are kinda rare, only 5 of them, that's why you don't have 2 of them together, it has no sense from a gameplay perspective (or lore) to have 2 of them in the same place.

Grass being changed is really super minor thing.

At least for horizon 1 there is a reason why they changed the vertical slice.
You never find them "together" walking like in the reveal. They are separate but you can override them to fight each other.

The tallneck are horizon towers but in the reveal gameplay, you can see 2 walking together.

Grass change is minor but i prefer those original tall grass.

It does not matter why things are changed. That is an internal decision that does not concern anyone but the team making the game. There is a reason why the troll fight in GOW reveal by the first bridge was changed, there is a reason why they changed the vertical slice in forbidden west. Every change in a game has a reason.
 
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Salz01

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The underwater scenes no doubt look better in the SOP compared with retail. I’m irked about that.
 

mckmas8808

Banned
Yes its not "gameplay" in the sense its not the retail "game" being played.

When theres a "gameplay reveal" it means for most people that its footage of the actual game.

If halo Infinites gameplay demo was in a snowy environment, I very much doubjt you would be "nothing wrong here, the "gameplay" is the same".

You're a liar. This is NEVER the intent when people say gameplay. It could be a vertical slice or from the actual game. Us gamers have ALWAYS known this.
 

IDWhite

Member
I don't know man, seems very comparable to me.
I watched the video you posted in the previous page and while it's a mixed bag, I like the look of the retail release better in many of those shots.

You are making it sounds as if it was something like this:
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The game looks impressive but it has a huge downgrade from 2020. It's quite evident.

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Source
 
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azertydu91

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I don't know, I'm not the one that has been banned from at least one Horizon thread, maybe the only pattern to be distinguished here is you.Because saying gameplay isn't gameplay to move the goalpost to a downgrade that somehow hasn't caught by any tech analyst online is quite weird, maybe you have a better eye than people that dissect the imagery in games, maybe they're covered in vasebias (a mix of vaseline and bias).

Edit: Do you know the socratic method?It is trying to analyses your own acts from an external perspective to evaluate the (good) basis of your actions...Based on this maybe we should call you Notsosocrate.
 
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ManaByte

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Dude you gotta spend those skill points though...That arena with locked equipment was awful though(shitty stuff compared to what I had).

Maxed out the trees I used. Never spent a single point in the traps tree.

And the Arena bow is pretty much one of the best in the game. There are a couple other good legendaries though.
 
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Sosokrates

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I don't know, I'm not the one that has been banned from at least one Horizon thread, maybe the only pattern to be distinguished here is you.Because saying gameplay isn't gameplay to move the goalpost to a downgrade that somehow hasn't caught by any tech analyst online is quite weird, maybe you have a better eye than people that dissect the imagery in games, maybe they're covered in vasebias (a mix of vaseline and bias).

Edit: Do you know the socratic method?It is trying to analyses your own acts from an external perspective to evaluate the (good) basis of your actions...Based on this maybe we should call you Notsosocrate.

Jeez, why dont actually discuss the topic rather then make it personal.

Its funny people like you will instead make an unrelated personal attack instead of actually debating the topic at hand, probably because you dont actually have a decent counter argument so you bring up other stuff to try and discredit the person.

Its so transparent and weak.

I was not moving goalposts, "gameplay" does not only mean gameplay mechanics... The term is ambiguous.
 
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azertydu91

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Maxed out the trees I used. Never spent a single point in the traps tree.

And the Arena bow is pretty much one of the best in the game. There are a couple other good legendaries though.
Same, I never use traps, too bad because the legendary trap outfit looks great.The legendary bows from the arena are awesome and it's great that you can buy every legendaries if you "gold" each challenges.
 

Tripolygon

Banned
The game looks impressive but it has a huge downgrade from 2020. It's quite evident.
Source
That entire location is redesigned even the building is redesigned. There is a massive difference between a downgrade and a redesigned area. Those coral exist in the game but in different locations and there are locations filled with lots of geometry that are more impressive than that.

This area for example is geometrically denser than that area.
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Sosokrates

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You mean instead of calling gameplay not gameplay?Or maybe instead of talking imaginary downgrade?I don't know you tell me.
As I said the term gameplay is ambiguous and in the context of gameplay reveal footage gameplay mechanics are not the only things being shown and judged.

Imaginary downgrade?, less global illumination, geometry and light sources is not imaginary.
 

The_Mike

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From 3:52 to 5:02.
Unless the person that plays it is super pro, I dont see how those movements are possible. Maybe I am shit player, and the system doesnt respond me faster.

Well its video from the devs so maybe they used keyboard and mouse. Pretty easy to get that fluid movement
 
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