The Cockatrice
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Okay slacktivists in this thread,
What are (we) or rather, you, going to do about it?
Cancel the entire industry. No more games. Time to advance our society.
Okay slacktivists in this thread,
What are (we) or rather, you, going to do about it?
Maybe for Japan - but that's working with a sample of 1.The social cohesion can be attributed to the collectivist culture rather than salary compression specifically.
I mean - it's not like West is exactly showering their game-devs in gold either, more like the opposite with very few exceptions.and it's unlikely to be something that can change through western activism.
Is that trickling downs to games though? That gap (Tech vs. games) is still quite present around the world, sadly, even though game-industry has been (slowly) catching up a bit.Things have gotten better recently though. Many companies have started hiring foreigners and I've seen those salaries make big jumps. I have a friend that at 26 is making 10M yen a year as a front end developer and I was making 7M with a couple of years of experience just a few years ago.
People like to enjoy their games without any guilt or thinking about the people making them. Saddening.you guys dunk on press sneak fuck a little too hard imho. He does good exposing bullshit in the industry and it's overall a better place because of it.
I can't say it's happening for sure, but I would be surprised otherwise. There aren't enough software engineers in Japan, so they need to get them from overseas and good foreign engineers want to be paid well. I have to say living in Japan can be much cheaper than in EU/US.Is that trickling downs to games though? That gap (Tech vs. games) is still quite present around the world, sadly, even though game-industry has been (slowly) catching up a bit.
yeah it's... well, let's just say many here live in a bubble.People like to enjoy their games without any guilt or thinking about the people making them. Saddening.
So do people care too much or do they care too little? Pick a lane lmao.
Full remote hirings may change their ecosystem, though. As long as the japanese devs learn to write and/or speak english, of course.It's not a problem specific to FROM, and it's unlikely to be something that can change through western activism.
I think this one is interesting topic of its own - a lot of it comes down to lifestyle choices (if you try emulating US lifestyle in Japan it doesn't work out so well - and vice versa) but indeed, the general ratio of cost:quality-of-life is one of the best I've seen anywhere in the world. I'd put it somewhere in top 3 of places where I lived to date on that metric, certainly way ahead of US.I have to say living in Japan can be much cheaper than in EU/US.
Sadly that's likely true. Possibly partly driven by mobile just having more overlap with 'big-tech' for staffing, but there must be other factors too.Also, not all game development is the same. I am a game dev too, working on mobile/web games and I'm paid really well. I suspect triple A gaming might be the worst offender here... sad.
Sorry, but I don’t give a fuck. Make me my fuckin games.
You could say it's the Dark Souls of employment.
This is the big kicker that I originally overlooked myself. Really should be updated in the OP. FS has done quite a bit in the last 10 years, I'd imagine their internal health have improved since then. Even if just a little bit.Isn't it a ten years old source
Man, people really hate it when they hear people wishing for better circumstances for others. Some can't even grasp the concept of having some empathy for people you don't know but not making them your whole existence.
I’m starting a corporation in Japan. Have pay my workforce less.
Yeah we can tell how sadistic the game is!!!The low pay gives the work meaning.
Yeah unfortunately it is the truth. With still so many issues in the gaming industry people rather focus their attention on console wars rather that real issues.People like to enjoy their games without any guilt or thinking about the people making them. Saddening.
Man, people really hate it when they hear people wishing for better circumstances for others. Some can't even grasp the concept of having some empathy for people you don't know but not making them your whole existence.
ha, cutco i bet.29k annual wage?
Come on man a part time door to door knife salesman makes more.
I know because I was one at 19
LOOOL yesha, cutco i bet.
indeedThis is only being brought up because people are salty about Elden Rings success. This information is 10 fucking years old, completely out of date and just conveniently happens to start popping up now? Btw, some dipshit on Era tried to derail the sales topic with this same nonsense and even over there, where they trive on this type of drama, the mods edited it to show it was out of date information.
Nice try.
Can I get some more knives from you, cheap.LOOOL yes
plus no inflation or companies rising prices of most products, so all kinda works somehow.Japan's wage has been stagnating for 30 years... so if the wage situation hasn't been any better than 10 years ago, I wouldn't be surprised to be honest...
You get paid in soy beans.I beat him to the punch. Wheres my income?
Given Naught Dog employees has terrible working conditions I'd say the workers are already used to sonys standard.Maybe things will change once Sony buys them
Given Naught Dog employees has terrible working conditions I'd say the workers are already used to sonys standard.
Didn’t Sony just had a pedo executive recently?Maybe things will change once Sony buys them
I don't think so : the article talks about BN employees. From Software has a production and distribution contract with Bandai Namco , by t this does not make its employees BN employees, and I truly don't believe that BN can directly rise the pay to FS employeesElden Ring publisher rewards devs with pay rise after incredible launch - Dexerto
After the remarkable launch of Elden Ring, publisher Bandai Namco has handed devs a hefty pay rise to celebrate the achievement.www.dexerto.com
Not a fix by any stretch, but they all did get a raise, apparantly.
Do you earn more now? If so, do you think FS employee earnings might also increase with time and experience?29k annual wage?
Come on man a part time door to door knife salesman makes more.
I know because I was one at 19
You're a former Dev for a reason, why patronize? Just curious.As a former dev I find it patronizing, and frankly insulting. These people aren't asking for your assistance or pity. Don't you think it comes off as being intrusive and weirdly voyeuristic to show such interest in other people's work and lifestyle conditions?
The worst part is the insinuation that these people aren't able to assert or help themselves.
Bottom line, if you actually cared about working practices/conditions you wouldn't pick such a "soft" occupation as game dev to champion. Whole employment sectors offer potentially far harsher conditions, you don't even need to go to the worst kind of sweatshop practices to see situations where being overworked and underpaid is far more of an issue for those affected.
I'd rather work in any capacity in game-dev than in retail on a zero-hour contract.
Sorry, but this whole thing makes me furious because its so FAKE. Its recreational outrage, and thus more about narcissism than empathy.
Virtue signalling.Concern trolling bullshit at its finest.
Be honest, you really don't give a fuck.
And if by some chance you do, why do you particularly care about this group of office workers in a different country?
Just bear in mind if you want to argue that you care because they made a piece of work that you especially like, what does that say about your lack of regard for the other underpaid, overworked people in that culture? Do they not deserve your pearl-clutching because their labour doesn't benefit you in some way?