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Polyphony Digital are being SO scummy with their nerfs, funneling players into having to spend real money to collect cars?

kingfey

Banned
Oooh, lol.

If you wake up in a bathtub full of ice, wasn't me.
Im Watching You Peter Parker GIF by Zion
 

Zeroing

Banned
The racing itself is superb, I think the best on console, especially if you do not have access to a wheel.
And the microtransactions - IN THEORY - are optional. The reality though is, that - unless you really, really like grinding for money - you need to spend real money to get the most expensive cars.

Under best conditions you can make like 900K per hour and the best cars cost like 20 million credits though. So you need to grind the same track for like 20+ hours to afford the most expensive cars, in a 80 bucks full priced AAA game.

Gran Turismo was always about some amount of grinding, but they took it to a whole new level in this game. It reeks. They obviously made all these changes to get people to pay real money.
Wow that’s sad how a game can be ruined by that!
 

Arthimura

Member
I'm playing GT7 everyday and until now progression seems ok.

It's a game where people play for years, players are not supposed to have a complete car collection right away.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Why cant we just have normal fucking games. It's not like these cunts are skint.
Normal games were worse from what I remember. Exclusivity deals on car brands or car brands not allowing their cars in games with visible damage. Then you had cars locked behind ridiculous challenges.

Besides if you want to see what real bullshit macrotransactions look like check out flight sims or train sims on PC. DCS laughs at Gran Turismo's $30 cars.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I'm playing GT7 everyday and until now progression seems ok.

It's a game where people play for years, players are not supposed to have a complete car collection right away.
And if you want to have it all now Veruca Salt style, they offer whales the chance.

People who play the game and progress without spending a dime extra, will continue to do so.
Then you had cars locked behind ridiculous challenges.
This was the worst. At least now you are able to obtain every car eventually via credits earned.

Oh, and I can see why they added these for whales, this game is licensing overload. They even have Advent Health ads at Daytona and the like for example. Hundreds of actual real world products which add to the overall immersion to me, personally.
 
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ethomaz

Banned
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why do you do this?
That is not screen at end of races/events.
At least not until the end of S license.
Maybe it change after?

Edit - It is explained now… it just show after you brought credits from PSN from the firs time lol
 
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GHG

Gold Member
This is not true, I never purchased credits for real money and I definitely saw this ad multiple times.

Boot up the game then and show us the screen you get when you complete an event/race then.

This is a stream from 1 day ago and you can clearly see the post event screens are not what you're showing:




You're full of shit.
 

ethomaz

Banned
That only appears after you've purchased credits you clown. Look at the oh so conveniently blurred out text.
Yeap… seems like the case… I’m to see that screen yet.
It shows the earn balance and experience together… one below other at the right of the screen.
 
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poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Boot up the game then and show us the screen you get when you complete an event/race then.

This is a stream from 1 day ago and you can clearly see the post event screens are not what you're showing:




You're full of shit.

It stands to reason that the most vociferous opponents of micro transactions will be those who can't resist them.
 

Thirty7ven

Banned
Right when other games make you spend 40 hours to get a fucking armor and weapon combo they are cool, but because it’s GT7 and you want to own every car fast then all of a sudden ur ur sham sham
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
L Lumpyoatmeal how about saying what's on your mind brother

DeepEnigma DeepEnigma yeah that feature was in Sport already. It's awesome =)
Yeah, I was reading they allowed people to transfer over their liveries.

There are some amazing one's on there. The Star Wars liveries are insane.

I also noticed they have tons of official brand logos to use for liveries, in which the licensing in this game must have cost a ton. Explains the whale bait.
 
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ANDS

King of Gaslighting
This is an example of the Stockholm syndrome we're all suffering to some extent.

Honestly, fuck that. Bring back the days of no MTXs for GT games at all. At the very worst, if they wanted to sell stuff they should have gone with paint colours, decals and liveries and driver costumes. That would have been the far more acceptable option.

No thanks. There's good MTX and bad MTX. I'm fine with the bad MTX if it means games and general, that I enjoy, are still able to support themselves after launch and add more content.
 

22•22

NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
When you finish a race and get credits, there is an "ad" that takes you right to the playstation store where you can buy credits for real money
Right when other games make you spend 40 hours to get a fucking armor and weapon combo they are cool, but because it’s GT7 and you want to own every car fast then all of a sudden ur ur sham sham

Overpriced, abusive car prices (real $) in game, always online.
Wow, what a great game to buy...lol


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Jimbo will run PlayStation to the ground huh.

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22•22

NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
This is an ad to you?
A totally non evasive tiny note at the end of a huge ass page?

I've never noticed it and I would I would think "huh, business, shitty but these are the times so no surprise it's not like it's needed"

But nah, everything is ammunition in this war!

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And this right here is why any form of MTX directly tied to game progression is the worst.

You then balance the game around your monetisation strategy and not around people playing your game.

It's why all Ubisoft games suck.
Yep. There are two types of games in the world today.

1) There are games that are an art form which are subsequently monetized.

2) And there are products which shoehorn a "game" within the context of taking your money.

Increasingly as the industry develops and grows, you are pushed to the smaller budget and indie developers if you want the former and not the latter.
 

BreakOut

Member
I don’t like racing games, they seem like they are a grind by design. But just looking at this is like.. why do you want to have everything so easily unlocked with credits OR money? Someone who hasn’t ever played a racing game can just buy the best shit and smother people who’ve actually played? Something I love about destiny is the weekly pinnacle shit. Can’t be a lazy fuck sitting around all day everyday and cap out, smashing people who have shit going on. MTX are bullshit.. no exceptions IMO. Shouldn’t even exist in this type of game. But the time needed for unlocks doesn’t look like they need a huge change. Get the cars you like most and work backwards from it. Take 2 years or whatever to collect them lord knows you’ve waited 3 just for the damn game.

Rant over.
 
Positions like his is what leads Sony to maintain this MTX policy in GT7. They know well that the GT fan assumes them. And as long as it is so and as no one forces you to buy the game...

For me, the most criticizable not that, the most criticizable thing is that it was not known until after its release and even hid it during the reviews.
I hope that things like this do not become common among the companies and that there is more reaction against it.
They already are common though. How many games hide their mtx's until a week or so after game comes out? This is yet another reason why people think gaming sucks today compared to in the past, even if many things are better today. It's exhausting. I'm not talking about the grind/low credit rewards but about the scummy stuff like hiding this info.
 

22•22

NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
Yep. There are two types of games in the world today.

1) There are games that are an art form which are subsequently monetized.

2) And there are products which shoehorn a "game" within the context of taking your money.

Increasingly as the industry develops and grows, you are pushed to the smaller budget and indie developers if you want the former and not the latter.

3) there are AAA games which are forced to ingrain MTX.

Good thing consumers have a brain and can see beyond this forced implementation and therefore can separate the art from the business.

Well, some of us can at least

#snorts hopium
 
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SLB1904

Banned
I have no interest in console wars, I own all platforms and enjoy them equally, I just air my opinion when I see something I don't like, I'd do the same if this was happening in Forza or Mario Kart.
Yeah there is nothing wrong expressing the your feelings and concern, but at same time you the usual suspects talking with authority and don't even have a playstation or the game for that matter
 

GHG

Gold Member
I play GT7/GTS and it's something I support because:
  • The online race system and organisation is unrivaled
  • You don't need to buy all the cars in one go
  • You don't need to buy all the tracks in one go
I'm confused.
The 3 key features you listed are basically the same in GT7 or GTS.

You're confused because you clearly have no experience with iracing, if you did you'd know the difference.

Here are the weekly races for GT7:

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And here are the weekly races for iracing:

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It's not even a competition in terms of race event selection. And those are only the fixed races (no custom setups allowed). You can see for yourself here:


Beyond that you get seasonal endurance races (including 12/24h races) and a robust points and appeals system (yes, if you are unjustly deemed to be at fault for an incident and it has dire consequences for your irating/safety rating then there is actually a way to appeal via real people).

So no, the online system in GT7/Sport is not "unrivaled". Maybe on consoles, but in the grand scheme of things it's lacking in a number of key areas. I actually hoped they would improve things after sport but instead they have made things worse in a number of key areas.

And for the record, I'm someone who would like them to actually sort their shit out in this area because I'd race a lot:

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Nah, see above.
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
You're confused because you clearly have no experience with iracing, if you did you'd know the difference.

Here are the weekly races for GT7:

Gran-Turismo%E2%84%A2-7_20220314103604-1024x576.jpg


And here are the weekly races for iracing:

ledqxue.jpg


jEQQ1q5.jpg


mfFWBxG.jpg



j3rEzQV.jpg


It's not even a competition in terms of race event selection. And those are only the fixed races (no custom setups allowed). You can see for yourself here:


Beyond that you get seasonal endurance races (including 12/24h races) and a robust points and appeals system (yes, if you are unjustly deemed to be at fault for an incident and it has dire consequences for your irating/safety rating then there is actually a way to appeal via real people).

So no, the online system in GT7/Sport is not "unrivaled". Maybe on consoles, but in the grand scheme of things it's lacking in a number of key areas. I actually hoped they would improve things after sport but instead they have made things worse in a number of key areas.

And for the record, I'm someone who would like them to actually sort their shit out in this area because I'd race a lot:

5LlPrXP.jpg




Nah, see above.
Don't tempt me with an iRacing rig, you son of a gun! I spend enough money tracking my cars IRL.

My comment was mainly based on the earning vs MTX comparison.
 
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TheGejsza

Member
On top of MTX, rigged roulette, low payouts and no-selling cars there is another giant turd in this game - LIMITED OFFERS for cars. This is such an obvious FOMO case and pushing ppl towards impulsive buying of MTX . I feel ashamed that I bought the game. In previous titles you just could chase your goal - wanted 5mil car? You were grinding and at some point you just bought the car. Now if you see a cool car you have limited time to buy it - so you can't grind. You either sit on pile of cash and wait for some cool limited offer or... rush to PSN to buy credits.

I wish I could refund the game right now. I don't want to support this kind of practices. Always online on top of it.

Almost every single problem of this game is because of MTX - shitty roulette, always online for SP (so you could not hack your money somehow), low payouts, no selling cars and fucking limited offers. What a bunch of bullshit this game came to be.
 

SLB1904

Banned
You're confused because you clearly have no experience with iracing, if you did you'd know the difference.

Here are the weekly races for GT7:

Gran-Turismo%E2%84%A2-7_20220314103604-1024x576.jpg


And here are the weekly races for iracing:

ledqxue.jpg


jEQQ1q5.jpg


mfFWBxG.jpg



j3rEzQV.jpg


It's not even a competition in terms of race event selection. And those are only the fixed races (no custom setups allowed). You can see for yourself here:


Beyond that you get seasonal endurance races (including 12/24h races) and a robust points and appeals system (yes, if you are unjustly deemed to be at fault for an incident and it has dire consequences for your irating/safety rating then there is actually a way to appeal via real people).

So no, the online system in GT7/Sport is not "unrivaled". Maybe on consoles, but in the grand scheme of things it's lacking in a number of key areas. I actually hoped they would improve things after sport but instead they have made things worse in a number of key areas.

And for the record, I'm someone who would like them to actually sort their shit out in this area because I'd race a lot:

5LlPrXP.jpg




Nah, see above.
Dude you are in a thread complaining about gran turismo microtransaction and yet bosting about. Crazy microtransaction.
For everyone who don't know. You have to pay those licences, the cars and the track. And pay monthly fee or annual fee with discount.
The monatasionnin iracing is disgusting
 

DonJorginho

Banned
Yeah there is nothing wrong expressing the your feelings and concern, but at same time you the usual suspects talking with authority and don't even have a playstation or the game for that matter
Oh I totally agree there man, but you're always gonna get that in gaming forums sadly.
 

GHG

Gold Member
Dude you are in a thread complaining about gran turismo microtransaction and yet bosting about. Crazy microtransaction.
For everyone who don't know. You have to pay those licences, the cars and the track. And pay monthly fee or annual fee with discount.
The monatasionnin iracing is disgusting

iracing is based around DLC, not microtransactions. Get it right.

As I said before, I'm happy to pay for quality DLC if it were to exist for GT7 instead of them creating a rewards system that is geared around microtransactions. Get rid of the microtransactions and create high quality additional content that people would be happy to pay more for if they are still playing the game and want it. Simple.

As it is sport mode isn't fleshed out enough for them to be boasting about free car and track updates in order to allow everyone to race the same content online when there is such a pitiful amount of weekly races.

Ok this is scummy

It's also bullshit.
 

SLB1904

Banned
iracing is based around DLC, not microtransactions. Get it right.

As I said before, I'm happy to pay for quality DLC if it were to exist for GT7 instead of them creating a rewards system that is geared around microtransactions. Get rid of the microtransactions and create high quality additional content that people would be happy to pay more for if they are still playing the game and want it. Simple.

As it is sport mode isn't fleshed out enough for them to be boasting about free car and track updates in order to allow everyone to race the same content online when there is such a pitiful amount of weekly races.


It's also bullshit.
Lmfao. Same shit dude. You cant race if you don't pay them. Even tho you bought the damn game. Stop making excuses
 

GHG

Gold Member
Lmfao. Same shit dude. You cant race if you don't pay them. Even tho you bought the damn game. Stop making excuses

It's a subscription based service, take it or leave it. There's also a bunch of content you get free with just the subscription.

With GT7 they are asking for £70 up front, for a game that has microtransactions and then on top of that you still need to subscribe to PS+ if you want to play online (in an online mode that is completely unfinished in it's current state). It's currently the worst of all worlds.
 

DJ12

Member
Ok this is scummy
You mean taking someone's screenshot after they brought credits and blurring it out poorly enough that people can still read it and pretending it pops up after a race or are you all in for the forced real money transactions that everyone has to do to finish the game.

Just so we are clear to respect your opinion or not.
 
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Calverz

Member
I’m thinking I might just quit this game soon. Graphically it’s very inconsistent and the constant cafe nonsense, while at first was charming, is becoming an annoyance. There is no way I’m grinding in this game to buy the super high end cars. Il buy a GTR and call it a day.
 
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They want people to spend money. It’s gross.
I told people to wait for a sale. The game is little more then GT Sport 2. The cafe is just a short check list.
 
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