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Gran Turismo 7 has been largely unplayable for half a day due to extended server maintenance (VCG)
Aenima
Member
The best cars are not that expensive. The expensive cars are classic collection cars. The game even give you some of the best cars by getting bronze and gold on the licences.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
It's incredible how they managed to just wreck all the hype and good vibes the game was getting since the state of play in a single day.
Like... it's not just about how the update of a fully priced game is slowly turning into a f2p experience in just 2 weeks. it's the fact we can't actually use a product we bought.
If they wanted a F2P experience then make one. This is honestly turning into a huge scam at this point.
If you guys go to any GT forum, group, etc everyone is so let down and disappointed...and these games need those enthusiastic people. This isn't a typical single player game everyone enjoys...and to betray them might not be good in the long run.
Can't Sony actually be sued for not allowing us to play a single player game that we actually bought, changing the game like this to the point it actually intentionally mislead critics for a few weeks, etc? There has to be some sort of customer protection here... it's not just Sport mode that's out... it's the full game.
Like... it's not just about how the update of a fully priced game is slowly turning into a f2p experience in just 2 weeks. it's the fact we can't actually use a product we bought.
If they wanted a F2P experience then make one. This is honestly turning into a huge scam at this point.
If you guys go to any GT forum, group, etc everyone is so let down and disappointed...and these games need those enthusiastic people. This isn't a typical single player game everyone enjoys...and to betray them might not be good in the long run.
Can't Sony actually be sued for not allowing us to play a single player game that we actually bought, changing the game like this to the point it actually intentionally mislead critics for a few weeks, etc? There has to be some sort of customer protection here... it's not just Sport mode that's out... it's the full game.
a multicultural team of v
Member
They aren't the best cars though, not by a long shot. Most of the super expensive cars would never be used in an actual race because they are old cars from the 60s or 70s that aren't even competitive compared to newer cars. Like the super expensive Jaguar for sale right now is a prototype car that never actually raced in real life because they built a single one before Jaguar canned it. It's a sweet looking car and it probably fairly powerful but it's not something useful for racing.
All of the real race cars that are competitively balanced (Group 4, 3, B, 1) are fairly cheap, and the game gives you a bunch of them anyway.
93xfan
Banned
Interesting. Them why all the concern of people cheating in the single player from PD? Is their point valid in any way?
I expect some reason for it being always online
a multicultural team of v
Member
I honestly don't really get how cheating would even impact much, in Sport many of the daily races either required a stock unmodified car, or the game itself would dynamically equalize everyone's car to roughly the same stats. I don't think that is implemented yet in 7 but I'd imagine it's on the way. And even if someone DID manage to slip by a broken supercar into the race their account would be reported and banned probably after the first race.
I'm not trying to apologize for PD here, I think the credits can be a tad more generous I still don't really get why they insist on this online only stuff. But I think at both extremes there is a lot of misinformation and arguments made in bad faith.
I sort of wonder if online only is somehow a requirement for the FIA certification. And if that is the case they need to figure out a compromise of some sort, because this is wrecking goodwill far more than whatever benefit being able to say FIA certified brings.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
This shit was bound to happen, it happens with every online only game, as a reminder on why this always online shit for even single player parts of the game just doesn't work.
Fingers crossed it's back up for everyone soon, I'll still pick the game up when I can get it for cheap and by that time this shit will be worked out, including the MTX bull and payout rewards.
Fingers crossed it's back up for everyone soon, I'll still pick the game up when I can get it for cheap and by that time this shit will be worked out, including the MTX bull and payout rewards.
Esppiral
Member
Yeah sure because piracy and cheating is rampant on PS5... Jesus Christ the defence force is in full swing....
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ZywyPL
Banned
Always online in SP was a mistake, but then again, we're talkign about a company that shut down the servers for GT5 and GT6 to force people to move onto newer installments, people seem to forget about it nowadays, but I cannot fight the feeling that this is the real reason of required connection for SP as well - so they'll be able to make the game completely unplayable whenever they'll need to. They saw how easily they got away with it twice already, those are the consequences when you give a free pass to anti-consumer practices, it only gets worse.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
ywah, theres no defence for this. It needs calling out so hopefully it doesn't happen in the future.
With the evidence we have, and Sony saying they are making 10 GAAS games over the next few years hopefully the push back from the community and Sony fans help shape those games to avoid egregious MTX etc.
With the evidence we have, and Sony saying they are making 10 GAAS games over the next few years hopefully the push back from the community and Sony fans help shape those games to avoid egregious MTX etc.
MonkeyClaw36
Member
Well that's it for me. GT has been killed.
Pushing MTX, nerfing payouts, no update whatsofuckingever, online needed for Single Player.... I'm done.
Another childhood hero dead and buried. Forza here I come (again).
Pushing MTX, nerfing payouts, no update whatsofuckingever, online needed for Single Player.... I'm done.
Another childhood hero dead and buried. Forza here I come (again).
Team Andromeda
Member
Why is GT7 getting so much hate, while the more broken Eladen Ring
gets such a free pass
gets such a free pass
Spaceman292
Banned
All the last update did was increase the cost of everything
Spaceman292
Banned
Elden Ring isn't becoming globalls unplayable for ten hours at a time just so that it can scam more money off its players
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
I paid 100 EUR for this kind of experience. Play truly has no limits this gen.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
I think the game sold well, but not enough people topped off with virtual currency. In fact, i think precisely no one did.
Now is the perfect time for Sony to kill PD because they just released a big game. However, the backlash would be immense. They have to sully PD's good name first, and are making them cram shit into the game, forcing them to flip flop during server down time. By the end you will thank Sony for a brave new direction in racing by getting rid of PD and....checks notes...putting Bungie on the live service team.
Keep in mind that Sony's now and future model is live services. Enjoy.
Now is the perfect time for Sony to kill PD because they just released a big game. However, the backlash would be immense. They have to sully PD's good name first, and are making them cram shit into the game, forcing them to flip flop during server down time. By the end you will thank Sony for a brave new direction in racing by getting rid of PD and....checks notes...putting Bungie on the live service team.
Keep in mind that Sony's now and future model is live services. Enjoy.
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ToadMan
Member
I’m curious whether the people in this thread have actually played GT7
I mean in this thread
1) Why is single player online only? - well because those single player cars you grind for and the mods that go on them, are used in the sport mode. Cheat in single player and you’re taking those cheats into multiplayer too. You might not like that design choice but that’s the GT7 concept. The single player campaign and multiplayer are intertwined.
2) MTX is so expensive it’s a rip off! Um if you’d played the game you’d know that the GT7 “grind” is less onerous than that of previous GTs. I actually can’t see a reason why anyone who wants to _play_ the game would buy credits for real money right now. I can see why people who just want to ogle a particular car without grinding for it may want to jump the queue. As it is, this is probably the easiest and most fun GT to play in years, and the cars are thrown at you thick and fast along with enough credits to mod them without paying a real penny extra. If you were fed up with spending hours in 1000cc shit boxes in old GTs that’s gone, within the first few hours you’re given real raceable cars and enough money to mod them to max stats if you choose.
3) Server maintenance is ruining my day! Yeah this is annoying, but if it stops the stuff we’ve already seen - people bypassing the race PP/BOP limitations in multi and maybe even the egregious track cutting - then it’s worth it. GT7 isn’t the first game to go down for server fixes and it won’t be the last - that’s the price we pay for online whether it’s an FPS, MMO or GT7.
The “concern” trolling over GT7 is epic - I guess the king is really back.
I mean in this thread
1) Why is single player online only? - well because those single player cars you grind for and the mods that go on them, are used in the sport mode. Cheat in single player and you’re taking those cheats into multiplayer too. You might not like that design choice but that’s the GT7 concept. The single player campaign and multiplayer are intertwined.
2) MTX is so expensive it’s a rip off! Um if you’d played the game you’d know that the GT7 “grind” is less onerous than that of previous GTs. I actually can’t see a reason why anyone who wants to _play_ the game would buy credits for real money right now. I can see why people who just want to ogle a particular car without grinding for it may want to jump the queue. As it is, this is probably the easiest and most fun GT to play in years, and the cars are thrown at you thick and fast along with enough credits to mod them without paying a real penny extra. If you were fed up with spending hours in 1000cc shit boxes in old GTs that’s gone, within the first few hours you’re given real raceable cars and enough money to mod them to max stats if you choose.
3) Server maintenance is ruining my day! Yeah this is annoying, but if it stops the stuff we’ve already seen - people bypassing the race PP/BOP limitations in multi and maybe even the egregious track cutting - then it’s worth it. GT7 isn’t the first game to go down for server fixes and it won’t be the last - that’s the price we pay for online whether it’s an FPS, MMO or GT7.
The “concern” trolling over GT7 is epic - I guess the king is really back.
Elden ring might be buggy but I'm not sure how that's relevant.
You know why GT7 is getting threads like this though that go on and on. Cloud saves meaning an online requirement and no cheating = what is this shit. Anti cheat in other games preventing you from playing the game entirely on your device indefinitely = this is fine who cares.
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MMaRsu
Banned
Griffon
Member
I don't get people saying Elden Ring. Elden Ring can be played perfectly fine offline and doesn't feature microtransactions.
But no... we truly know why this is like this: MTXs out the ass.
It's a nice excuse, but if I don't intend to play MP (I don't play MP games on consoles), this is still stupid af. I don't give a shit just give the option to have a pure offline campaign.
But no... we truly know why this is like this: MTXs out the ass.
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No it didn't. It didn't increase the cost of anything. It decreased earnings in some races and increased it in others. It would be called balancing if it were any other game.
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Couldn't they just have an option to prevent cars and mods that were earned offline to be used online? A similar thing worked for Diablo 2
I think somebody was hurt by the balancing/nerfing there recently too. Who knows what the connection is.
I think the true nuanced analysis would be about cost with respect to time. The time taken to get the CR for the more expensive cars has generally increased.
I am still confused about one thing, can you not sell your cars? If not, why?
Are they scared that they are going to create a fake secondary market where people are converting to real money.
Vognerful
Member
Fox Mulder
Member
Reddit and GT Planet are burning the game down. Sony or PD are making it worse with no communication at all this whole time.
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Due to balancing races that paid too much above average time and races that paid too little below average time. People will only complain one way though.
Don't think so because GT Sport had the same thing where you couldn't sell your gift cars and there was no connection to currency so no possible secondary market.
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Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Was it worth the £70 though to not be able to play the game?
I'm thinking no, but thats just me.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Incredible game, but track limits are crazy bad at present. It should be lawn mower sim at this point.
Spaceman292
Banned
Same difference. The point is that they made it harder to earn them for free and more encouraging to pay for with real money. It's not balancing if it's an obvious tactic to push MTX.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
It's been over a full day for this 80€/70$ game to be unplayable...2 weeks right after it releases.
They have some explaining to do.
So why increase the low earning races?
TBiddy
Member
I'm usually not against "always online" since I almost always have internet and most developers have more or less stable servers. But almost 24 hours of downtime with no information from Polyphony? Yeah. Fuck that shit.
ToadMan
Member
Sure - but that’s not the game they chose to make.
That game is GT sport which a lot of people didn’t like and said wasn’t a proper GT …
There was information by Polyphony already though not very in depth:
"Due to an issue found in Update 1.07, we will be extending the Server Maintenance period,” the Gran Turismo Twitter account posted earlier on Thursday.
“We will notify everyone as soon as possible when this is likely to be completed. We apologize for this inconvenience and ask for your patience while we work to resolve the issue.”
Japan also got hit by a 7.4 earthquake that day too so that might slow things down.
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ToadMan
Member
Your time is free?
MTX is a trade off of time vs money.
GT7 is fun to play and so far, after about 30 hours in game I see no reason to pay money for credits and that was the same with GTS.
GT7 is already generous in fact I’d argue they could have increased the grind a little…
Credits aren’t infinite here so players have to choose how to spend their creots, otherwise it wouldn’t be much of a game would it? But the reality is credits come easily just through normal play (as do cars for that matter) and you’ll have a line up of super cars much quicker here than other GTs.
If you don’t enjoy the driving then sure - maybe you’d rather just pay to get the car you want. Luckily GT7 is a fun driving game, so if you don’t like driving in it then you don’t like driving games.
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Team Andromeda
Member
No, that's why Elden Ring can't hold a fixed frame rate and got frame pacing issues and all with last gen visuals.
TBiddy
Member
Yeah, I know. That was posted yesterday. Almost 24 hours ago. That level of information is simply not good enough. I don't what the issue is, of course, but the least they could do is keep their customers up to date.
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SJRB
Gold Member
Isn't it over 24 hours of downtime now?
Absolutely insane.
The fuck does this have to do with anything?
Absolutely insane.
The fuck does this have to do with anything?
Team Andromeda
Member
Elden Ring isn't just buggy, it hasn't even got a fixed frame rate. You lot talk like you don't have the internet
