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[Lognor]

Care to explain how PS+ is not more popular than Gamepass?

PS+ = 48 million subscribers.
Gamepass = 25 million subscribers (many using the $1 conversion path from XBLG).

If ps plus is so popular how come no one ever talks about it? Yet people won't shut up about game pass. Therefore game pass is more popular

 

[MasterCornholio]

If ps plus is so popular how come no one ever talks about it? Yet people won't shut up about game pass. Therefore game pass is more popular

Is that your argument? No data to prove what you’re saying or anything?

Seems like a weak argument IMO. I always thought the number of subscribers would be a better metric to gauge popularity. Not that you talk about it more.

I suggest you rethink what you just said.

 

[aliadiere25]

I don't know if this is true or not:

But I hope it isn't. There is no way Sony can justify those prices. $240 for a year is too expensive.

 

[Little Mac]

I don't know if this is true or not:

But I hope it isn't. There is no way Sony can justify those prices. $240 for a year is too expensive.

"Free game demos" with $59.99 subscription ...

 

[Agent X]

I don't know if this is true or not:

I vote "fake". The "gold" tier is essentially the combination of PS Plus and PS Now as they currently exist, but with a price increase. That doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[hemo memo]

Sure, but even so, ps+ is still the most popular subscription service atm. There’s no way around this.

Popular? This is not bragging to your friend party. It is business so the most profitable service is what’s important and if Sony didn’t not feel pressured to go after Gamepass then they wouldn’t have invested in introducing a new service and kept the “most popular” service as is.

 

[aliadiere25]

"Free game demos" with $59.99 subscription ...

For just 3 months.

I doubt it's true. How the hell can Sony say it's a Game Pass competitor if you're charging those prices by basically just adding PS Now and some demos and charging $240 a year for it? You may as well keep it as it is and let people just get PS Plus and PS Now.... and you'll save money over the year.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I don't know if this is true or not:

But I hope it isn't. There is no way Sony can justify those prices. $240 for a year is too expensive.

Didn’t Jasón say there would be three tiers?

 

[hemo memo]

I don't know if this is true or not:

But I hope it isn't. There is no way Sony can justify those prices. $240 for a year is too expensive.

This is nonsensical from both logical and business sense. Just no.

 

[Heisenberg007]

If ps plus is so popular how come no one ever talks about it? Yet people won't shut up about game pass. Therefore game pass is more popular

By that stupid logic, you're here in the PS+ thread, talking about it, instead of playing games on Gamepass, then it means PS+ is more popular

Btw, MasterCornholio , you have your answer now

 

[MasterCornholio]

By that stupid logic, you're here in the PS+ thread, talking about it, instead of playing games on Gamepass, then it means PS+ is more popular

Btw, MasterCornholio , you have your answer now

Yes somehow Lognor believes that people talking about it more means there are more subscribers. Don’t really see how anyone can come to that conclusion. But Lognor did say he has proof of that.

 

[aliadiere25]

This is nonsensical from both logical and business sense. Just no.

If it's true, Sony will be flamed all over the place. I honestly would see a lot of people switching over to Xbox and Nintendo.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I don't know if this is true or not:

But I hope it isn't. There is no way Sony can justify those prices. $240 for a year is too expensive.

I say this image is fake as things don't line up well or maybe its just how it looks on my smaller screen

 

[MasterCornholio]

If it's true, Sony will be flamed all over the place. I honestly would see a lot of people switching over to Xbox and Nintendo.

That’s probably an exaggeration. It’s going to take a lot more for PlayStation to fail.

 

[sircaw]

Looking forward to the "Best deal in gaming"

 

[aliadiere25]

That’s probably an exaggeration. It’s going to take a lot more for PlayStation to fail.

I don't know. Even the bronze tier is $40 a year.... and you'll be losing so much from what you get now. You can get PS Plus a year for around that price if you look around. The Silver tier is about $120 a year.... but yet again, you're losing so much more than you're getting now. The other 2 are just stupid prices.

Why pay $240 a year if you can get Game Pass for $120 a year? You'll also get day-one exclusives from a lot of titles a year from Game Pass. A lot of people hate change.... and they also hate paying over the odds.

There is no way this is real. If it is, Sony has lost the plot.

 

[StealthGoblin]

To finally be able to play PS1-3 games without fidgeting with the old consoles would be a dream come true. Curious to see how it‘ll work though. Stream only I assume?

PS1, PS2 and PSP will be native via emulation. PS3 via streaming.

That’s all based on the rumours so far.

 

[Withnail]

I don't know if this is true or not:

But I hope it isn't. There is no way Sony can justify those prices. $240 for a year is too expensive.

It's fake. Why do people make these things?

The changes will be two new tiers above the current PS+ offering, with the three tiers supposedly called Essential, Extra, and Premium.

 

[Lognor]

By that stupid logic, you're here in the PS+ thread, talking about it, instead of playing games on Gamepass, then it means PS+ is more popular

Btw, MasterCornholio , you have your answer now

It's simple maths. Game pass is really popular. Look at all the talk about it. This Spartacus thing has generated the most talk about ps plus, ever. And it's not even positive talk. If it delivers on what people want it might become as popular as game pass

 

[hemo memo]

That’s probably an exaggeration. It’s going to take a lot more for PlayStation to fail.

I convinced a colleague to buy Series S for his nephews simply from explaining what Gamepass is. It is an easy idea to sell especially with the popularity of streaming services. Also way way cheaper than buying full price games and you are the one who choose from a large library of games not the company choosing only 3 games for you monthly.

 

[reksveks]

I don't believe those images personally, that's 4 tiers x 3 payment periods. It's too confusing to me.

I think it's likely to just be 3 tiers on a monthly basis.

 

[Esppiral]

I don't believe those images personally, that's 4 tiers x 3 payment periods. It's too confusing to me.

I think it's likely to just be 3 tiers on a monthly basis.

If you find it confusing it is likely real

 

[TGO]

It’s all about CONCERN

Very contagious that is, a lot of GAF members have caught it as of late.
Early symptoms are

• Turning Green
• Growing a Tail
• Easily distracted from your games by Topics that apparently don't interest you.
• Erratic behaviour when seeing positive opinions about things you don't like.
• Delusions of Grandeur
• armchair developer
• Rewriting the past to fit your narrative

Pay for demos? What in the fuck?

As someone who was a teenager in the 90's...this is funny.
But I'm sure they mean demo access for all games.
Not just demos that the Dev releases.

 

[Heisenberg007]

It's simple maths. Game pass is really popular. Look at all the talk about it. This Spartacus thing has generated the most talk about ps plus, ever. And it's not even positive talk. If it delivers on what people want it might become as popular as game pass

How? Share the numbers. Share your math.

 

[sircaw]

I don't know if this is true or not:

But I hope it isn't. There is no way Sony can justify those prices. $240 for a year is too expensive.

I don't know if this is true, but i do know that Concern has had a lot of spare time on his hands lately.

 

[DJ12]

I don't know if this is true, but i do know that Concern has had a lot of spare time on his hands lately.

Silver says 29.99 but the price above the buy button is 24.99.

Someone should've stuck to playing their games on gamepass and left the photoshoping to others.

 

[yurinka]

Treating PS1 games as "streamable PS3 games" might avoid some of the hassle with licensing and testing, but if it was that simple, then why hadn't they done that already? One possibility is that their existing licenses don't include streaming.

Yes, to include it in a subscription needs to be licensed/signed with their publisher/IP owner.

I assume they didn't do it before because they saw in PS3, PSP and Vita PSOne games that the interest on PSOne games was too small to repeat it on PS4 or even to care about them to include them in PS Now, and that it was more worth to focus on newer games for PS Now.

I assume that now Sony has as global corporate goal to revamp their subscription services and online stores adding there -in addition to other things- more IP/content. So I assume that for PS Now/Plus revamp they'll try to put there all the content they can easily put there, even if the games themselves don't provide enough appeal. More like a quote targeted to inverstors and PR saying 'we added a gazillion games' or 'we have gazillion games' specially when comparing against competitors.

And well, specially if soon they release their cloud streaming on mobile and smart tvs this quote will be specially important when mentioning the news to non-hardcore players in a more mainstream, non-gaming media like newspapers or tv news.

If Sony has to negotiate streaming rights, then they might as well do it through the PS4/PS5 and lump in digital downloads while they're at it. I can't envision many (if any) publishers saying "no" to this, if this brings along a renewed opportunity to sell digital copies to new audiences.

To stream games that already were released as PSOne Classics on PS3 would basically mean to sign and collect the money. To release them as emulated local games would mean that publishers would need to do or pay Q&A. They also may be forced to design and implement trophies or stuff like that.

I also believe that Sony and other publishers must have made some money on at least some of the PS1 games on PS3/PSP/Vita, or they wouldn't have kept the program going for so many years.

They would have ceased their offerings much more quickly, like they did with PS2 games on PS4 (which was an initiative that they bungled for numerous reasons).

Sony didn't offer PS1 games for sale on PS4 during the last 8+ years. That was a mistake. Perhaps Sony is finally recognizing this error in judgment, and choosing to rectify it now. Better late than never!

Yes. But in addition to this, most PS1/PS2/PS3/PSP/Vita games with potential to earn money on PS4/PS5 that don't relay on potentially extinct licenses (as would be racing games using real cars, sports games using real teams/players etc) got ported/remastered/remade/emulated in a collection.

I assume they prefer to do this because it may be more profitable for them than to keep selling separatedly emulated PS1 or PS2 games.

 

[reksveks]

But I'm sure they mean demo access for all games.
Not just demos that the Dev releases.

First party or including third party, if third party that's going to be some new commercial agreement that we haven't seen before.

 

[Lognor]

How? Share the numbers. Share your math.

No. You. I refute you

 

[Heisenberg007]

I don't know if this is true or not:

But I hope it isn't. There is no way Sony can justify those prices. $240 for a year is too expensive.

This is fake AF:

1. This is not the font that Sony uses. This whole image is off-brand and would never pass Design.
2. This color palette is not what Sony uses.
3. The 'Silver' plan says $29.99 for every 3 months. Near the 'Add to Cart' it says $24.99.

 

[Heisenberg007]

No. You. I refute you

Bro, what are you, 12? Or are you just high?

I just shared the numbers above. PS+ has 48 million subscribers. GP has 25 million subscribers.

Yet you keep saying "GP is more popular than PS+ because it is simple maths." What kind of math is that? Enlighten us all.

 

[TGO]

First party or including third party, if third party that's going to be some new commercial agreement that we haven't seen before.

Who knows.
Honestly if it's from that image, just ignore it.
The person who made probably thinks you need PS+ to download demo's and added it as feature.

 

[yurinka]

I don't know if this is true or not:

But I hope it isn't. There is no way Sony can justify those prices. $240 for a year is too expensive.

It's clearly fake, doesn't fit at all what mentioned by Bloomberg or Grubb and it's a poor Photoshop that didn't even care about aligning properly the boxes or using the same fonts as the PS store. I even repeats game streaming for the most expensive option.

 

[Swift_Star]

Popular? This is not bragging to your friend party. It is business so the most profitable service is what’s important and if Sony didn’t not feel pressured to go after Gamepass then they wouldn’t have invested in introducing a new service and kept the “most popular” service as is.

Ps plus is way more profitable than GP lmao
The “new” service is just merging existent services. And it’ll be more profitable and popular than GP. Sorry.

 

[Lognor]

Bro, what are you, 12? Or are you just high?

I just shared the numbers above. PS+ has 48 million subscribers. GP has 25 million subscribers.

Yet you keep saying "GP is more popular than PS+ because it is simple maths." What kind of math is that? Enlighten us all.

You're looking at a service that is available on a lot more consoles. Relatively game pass is more popular by far

 

[Swift_Star]

I don't know if this is true or not:

But I hope it isn't. There is no way Sony can justify those prices. $240 for a year is too expensive.

100% fake and as nonsensical as lognor’s understanding of business and gaming industry.

 

[MasterCornholio]

No. You. I refute you

You refute what?

I also would like sources from both of you. It’s not fair that your asking him for a source and you don’t provide any to support your side of the argument.

 

[MasterCornholio]

You're looking at a service that is available on a lot more consoles. Relatively game pass is more popular by far

Just because you’re talking about it more?

 

[Lognor]

Just because you’re talking about it more?

Not me. You. Everyone

 

[bitbydeath]

Obviously, no day and date games but are there expectations of all new titles coming 6 months to a year after launch?
Or will that not be a thing either?

 

[Heisenberg007]

You refute what?

I also would like sources from both of you. It’s not fair that your asking him for a source and you don’t provide any to support your side of the argument.

My sources are official numbers.

PS+ has 48 million subscribers. https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/02/ps-plus-reaches-record-number-of-subscribers-on-ps5-ps4 (link to Sony's financial report)

Xbox has 25 million subscribers. https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2022/01/18/welcoming-activision-blizzard-to-microsoft-gaming/

Edit: Lognor You are leaving "laughing" emojis on this comment which is nothing but two links to official sources? Man, seriously, seek some help. This is not healthy.

 

[kyliethicc]

Summary of the current reported information, BTW.

 

[Heisenberg007]

You're looking at a service that is available on a lot more consoles. Relatively game pass is more popular by far

Now you have moved the goal post. But even then you're wrong.

• PS+ is only on PlayStation consoles. There are now around 125 million PlayStation consoles out there. So 48 million subscribers with a 125 million userbase = 38.4%.
  • So 38.4% of PlayStation userbase who can subscribe is subscribed to PS+.
• Gamepass is on PC + Xbox. There are roughly 55 million Xbox users out there and at least 120 million PC gamers. So a total of ~175 million userbase and 25 million GP subscribers = 14.2%
  • So only 14.2% of people who can subscribe are subscribed to Gamepass.

Now I can't wait to see you respond either extremely childishly like "No, I refute you!" or move the goal post again to something else.

 

[reksveks]

Who knows.
Honestly if it's from that image, just ignore it.
The person who made probably thinks you need PS+ to download demo's and added it as feature.

To be fair the game trials seems to be from reputable sources imo.

 

[Shifty]

The very idea of non-free demos

What next, gonna try and get us to pay for the privilege of being served ads?

 

[Lognor]

Now you have moved the goal post. But even then you're wrong.

• PS+ is only on PlayStation consoles. There are now around 125 million PlayStation consoles out there. So 48 million subscribers with a 125 million userbase = 38.4%.
  • So 38.4% of PlayStation userbase who can subscribe is subscribed to PS+.
• Gamepass is on PC + Xbox. There are roughly 55 million Xbox users out there and at least 120 million PC gamers. So a total of ~175 million userbase and 25 million GP subscribers = 14.2%
  • So only 14.2% of people who can subscribe are subscribed to Gamepass.

Now I can't wait to see you respond either extremely childishly like "No, I refute you!" or move the goal post again to something else.

You can't use pc here. Only xbox. And when you do that it's not even close. You're moving goal posts to include pc. Not how it works.

 

[aliadiere25]

Silver says 29.99 but the price above the buy button is 24.99.

Someone should've stuck to playing their games on gamepass and left the photoshoping to others.

Oops.... only just noticed that.

Definitely fake.

 

[Heisenberg007]

You can't use pc here. Only xbox. And when you do that it's not even close. You're moving goal posts to include pc. Not how it works.

Why not? That 25 million figure by Xbox includes PC subscribers. Not including that will literally inflate the data and make it inaccurate. "Simple maths"

 

[bitbydeath]

Summary of the current reported information, BTW.

If they can at least get last years first party PS5 games (Returnal, Ratchet, Demons, Ghosts) on it then I may be tempted for the Extra one.

 

[Lognor]

Why not? That 25 million figure includes PC subscribers. Not including that will literally inflate the data and make it inaccurate. "Simple maths"

Because pc is not Xbox. Like 2% of game pass subscribers are pc only. And you're double counting. I have pc and Xbox. You're counting me twice. No one talks about ps plus. Everyone talks about game pass. People are forced to have ps plus. No one is forced to have game pass. You miss out on nothing without game pass. Without ps plus you only experience 50% of what's available on ps. It's mandatory. Not popular. Talking about something that is required as popular is a weird thing to say