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[Fredrik]

I can feel in these words Todd Howard will have a bad day at work. I hope Phil doesn't hit too hard, it would risk delaying the game further.

"Delivering quality and consistency is expected, Todd."

Phil should control his anger. He has 23 other studios, not all of them are trying to make their first new IP in 20 years. The reality is that all Microsoft’s studios are just struggling at reaching the finish line and just like in 2020 when MS put all eggs in the basket for Halo they learned nothing and did it again in 2022 for Starfield. Bad planning. They need to start having backup plans, always plan 3 big releases every year, spring, summer, fall, at the least.

 

[Kagey K]

Phil should control his anger. He has 23 other studios, not all of them are trying to make their first new IP in 20 years. The reality is that all Microsoft’s studios are just struggling at reaching the finish line and just like in 2020 when MS put all eggs in the basket for Halo they learned nothing and did it again in 2022 for Starfield. Bad planning. They need to start having backup plans, always plan 3 big releases every year, spring, summer, fall, at the least.

Nobody is saying they haven't, we will have to wait until after the June show to know for sure

But we can all bet our ass they Wanted Starfield to be the holiday showpiece.

 

[Fredrik]

Nobody is saying they haven't, we will have to wait until after the June show to know for sure

But we can all bet our ass they Wanted Starfield to be the holiday showpiece.

I wouldn’t expect any surprise 1st party releases this year. I don’t think Forza 8 will be ready. We’ll get the Flight Sim Top Gun expansion, possibly Forza Horizon 5 DLC, late Deathloop port. It’s just a bad year.
Third party devs might have something cool though.

 

[SuperSaiyanWithDreads]

Right

 

[Kagey K]

I wouldn’t expect any surprise 1st party releases this year. I don’t think Forza 8 will be ready. We’ll get the Flight Sim Top Gun expansion, possibly Forza Horizon 5 DLC, late Deathloop port. It’s just a bad year.
Third party devs might have something cool though.

I'm always in wait and see mode.

Odds are I'm going to play the new game for 5 seconds and then fall off as I go wrap up some old game anyway, so it makes little difference to me.

 

[Balducci30]

Frankly. Halo shoulda been delayed as well

 

[assurdum]

I have to ask: what feedback he talked about? Because I havent heard any until now.

 

[TheRobot]

"Go buy your momma a house"

 

[ParaSeoul]

Guess the reactions to these two posts sum up how people are feeling about these delays

 

[Darlingcognito]

Well they've been getting feedback for 6 or so years and are still in the same position. Can't be listening too closely.

 

[Fredrik]

I have to ask: what feedback he talked about? Because I havent heard any until now.

There hasn’t been any until now, everybody was just waiting for Starfield, the one basket with shiny eggs that was just smashed. So when he say they’ve heard the feedback he’s talking about disappointed gamers expressing their feelings after Bethesda posted about the Starfield delay.

 

[93xfan]

Must be huge mismanagement of their studios to not have a backup plan. 23 studios but they're all so fuckin slow at doing anything.

We will know soon

 

[thismeinteil]

It's been obvious that there has been a mismanagement problem at Xbox studios for almost a decade, now. Last gen started relatively strong, but releases started to become a trickle. And many of those later releases were mediocre at best. Then comes a new gen, a fresh start, and what do they deliver? Their flagship IP gets delayed before launch because of the poor state they were going to release it in had it not been for the backlash after seeing it's gameplay trailer. Even with an extra year, it wasn't exactly a masterpiece, and hardly anyone talks about it anymore.

Unfortunately, it seems MS's solution is to just throw money at it.

 

[Darlingcognito]

Put all his 2020 eggs in one basket for Halo infinite, we saw how that ended up.

Put all his 2022 eggs in the Starfield basket and the same thing has happened.

"Feedback" though.

 

[Doctor Hades]

It's a good job Xbox has GamePass because without it I fear the console sales would nose-dive.

I didn't buy an Xbox Series X at launch, only a PS5, because of the depressing lack of exclusive games on Microsoft's console and the fact that the few it did have I could buy and play on my PC anyway (e.g. Forza Horizon & Motorsport). However, I did change my mind and decided to pick one up last December, purely for third-party games as my PC is old and building a new one with the GPU price hike did not make any sense so I opted for the cheaper console instead. The PS5 at that time was still lacking VRR support which meant I had to endure stuttering and/or screen tearing in many third-party games, something that is not an issue on Xbox since it has supported VRR since the Xbox One X|/S (I was using it on my Xbox One X and LG B9 OLED TV back in August 2019). I also decided to subscribe to GamePass, although to be honest it was not quite the deal it might have been as I already owned a lot of the game on there on PC. Still, I cannot argue that it isn't value for money.

The problem with the Xbox Series consoles is that we are now 18 months into the life of the console and it really doesn't have any current-gen games that show it off. Sure, it has Forza Horizon 5 and Halo Infinite, which are both very fine games, but neither are that graphically impressive by current-gen standards and the Xbox still has too few first-party games that really show off the power of the hardware. With two releases slipping into next year, it doesn't look like there is much to look forward to for the rest of 2022 other than the usual third-party games.

 

[Moonjt9]

Who could have seen this coming from Xbox?! Phil is a used car salesman through and through and people just keep lapping it up somehow with years of the same old song and dance with zero results.

Psychologists should study this phenomenon, not joking.

 

[The Cartographer]

What is this, the ninth year that he hypes things up only to disappoint and then claims the usual ''next year is the XBOX year, wait for the upcoming E3''?

 

[Zeroing]

What is this, the ninth year that he hypes things up only to disappoint and then claims the usual ''next year is the XBOX year, wait for the upcoming E3''?

I lost count but possibly yes. He only manages to do the bare minimum to keep fans invested in the brand.

 

[Fuz]

Well, those are surely and undoubtedly some words.

 

[scydrex]

Complains if game is delayed.
Complains is game is early but with bugs.

Bruh.
Go play something else.

Yes! Exactly! The problem is that this is bethesda we are talking about.... which game have they release without bugs? Or with some or rare bugs? Quality and consistency with Bethesda?

 

[Helghan]

Sure, it has Forza Horizon 5 and Halo Infinite, which are both very fine games, but neither are that graphically impressive by current-gen standards

It's a bit silly to say FH5 doesn't look graphically impressive

 

[ActusReusJB]

I am surprised at all the negativity of the Starfield and Redfall delay from Xbox fans. If there isn’t anything unannounced to pick up some slack this holiday I expect some very good day 1 Gamepass games in the fall. Who knows maybe they will even snag Elden Ring sometime later in the year.

 

[Dr.D00p]

Gave me the excuse to just cancel Gamepass, TBH.

I was only really keeping it for Starfield in November, I didn't really believe it would launch then, but until any delay was officially announced, I left the subscription as was, I'd barely touched anything in Gamepass since finishing Halo Infinite & Guardians of The Galaxy campaigns, so fuck it, assuming nearly a years delay, I'd rather spend that $100 on something else, then pick the sub up again when the game is launched.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

Does xbox have 1st party games though? With steam day1, it no longer has any 1st party games. Its multiplatform 3rd party publisher now.

Steam runs on Windows PC’s, a MS platform, so yeah, 1st party.

 

[Mister Wolf]

At this point its empty rhetoric.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

When the infamous Halo demo was shown, a number of people said the pandemic had a effect. I’m not certain but I think Greenberg was one of them who said it.

We were a handful of months into that pandemic when that demo was shown , the game had been in development for years. It’s things like this that irk me.

They launch a console with a marketing tactic of your backwards compatibility games playing great and a short timed exclusive release in the Medium after Christmas. Never known anything like it.

True the world was in the state it was in however don’t these consoles take years of planning? Where is the foresight into the software for the system the first six months to a year?

I never liked the studios before the acquisitions making one IP either, I feel they could of been perhaps less predictable had one or two of those studios worked on other things too and strengthened the portfolio.

 

[Shmunter]

Curious effect on gamepass subs

 

[Fredrik]

Who could have seen this coming from Xbox?! Phil is a used car salesman through and through and people just keep lapping it up somehow with years of the same old song and dance with zero results.

Psychologists should study this phenomenon, not joking.

Second half of 2021 was great so that ”years of the same old song and dance” comment seems a bit harsh. What annoys me is that the 2020 launch was bad because they banked on Halo Infinite, then 2022 becomes bad too because they banked on Starfield. Then need to have backup plans so this doesn’t happen again.

 

[DrumNBassDanTTV]

The people that are moaning about delays are probs the same people that moaned about the state of Cyberpunk on release... These companies can't do right for doing wrong.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

The people that are moaning about delays are probs the same people that moaned about the state of Cyberpunk on release... These companies can't do right for doing wrong.

Im not moaning about delays a such, I’m not impressed with the current overall state of Xbox.

 

[GHG]

I hear your feedback is something i should use next time my wife gets mad at me. It’s brilliant.

I said "noted" and walked away once.

I was in the dog house for about a month and my hand became my best friend.

 

[ReBurn]

I am still on that crazy Gold to GPU conversion so I can't complain much. But it will be disappointing if we don't get any AAA Day 1 games on GP the rest of the year. Make some deals Phil.

I mean you can if you bought GPU because you wanted first party games day one on it. Just because Microsoft made it cheap doesn't mean you can't complain when they don't deliver.

They should have to let people pause their subscription until the first party games start dropping.

 

[Zeroing]

Who could have seen this coming from Xbox?! Phil is a used car salesman through and through and people just keep lapping it up somehow with years of the same old song and dance with zero results.

Psychologists should study this phenomenon, not joking.

Psychologists did study it it is called stockholm syndrome.

 

[GHG]

I have to ask: what feedback he talked about? Because I havent heard any until now.

This is pretty much entirely the problem. He's not getting any feedback other than this:

People have been making the same excuses for this guy for over a decade. It's actually incredible to witness.

 

[Gen.Grievous]

It's like people forgot all about what happened to Cyberpunk.

This delay doesn't guarantee anything though. Still a Bethesda game after all.

As a PC gamer this won't affect me that much. Unless they completely overhaul the engine (which they won't) almost everything can be fixed via console commands. Or you can just wait a few months after launch for an unofficial patch and some nice mods.

 

[Kacho]

I am surprised at all the negativity of the Starfield and Redfall delay from Xbox fans. If there isn’t anything unannounced to pick up some slack this holiday I expect some very good day 1 Gamepass games in the fall. Who knows maybe they will even snag Elden Ring sometime later in the year.

Adding multiplatform games to Game Pass doesn’t address the problem of a lack of compelling exclusives though.

 

[SJRB]

Where are the games, Spencer?

Where are the fucking games, Spencer??

 

[Javthusiast]

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

Pretty sure he wants Kotick to run the show as he focuses on strategy. I don't really see why buy Activision otherwise at this point.

 

[Javthusiast]

There has been a continual trend of fanboys getting owned this gen when jumping onto something for a console win.
In keeping with that trend I now fully expect God of War to be delayed until next year as well, just to smack the Sony fanboys using the delays of Starfield and Redfall to make fun of Xbox.

That delay is a given, same with FF16.

 

[Katajx]

I have nothing but the utmost respect for Phil Spencer, ever since joining Xbox he has constantly over-promised and consistently under-delivered. The best part? The Xbox faithful not only continue to believe him but support him at every turn. He is, without a doubt, the used car salesman of the century.

That guy could sell me an Xbox if he actually posed for a picture like that.

 

[Interfectum]

I mean, from a managerial perspective it's quite obvious what is happening and I'm shocked it's not being discussed more.

MS bought a ton of studios, loaded them up with money and a hazy deadline and said go make your dream game. Everyone is like, wow that's amazing, XBS is the best place to be creative and work.

The issue here is basic human nature. MS has removed two massive motivators for people and teams to get shit done. The drive to make money and strict deadlines.

 

[Evil Calvin]

Hey ! Phil! Don't give a date it you are not 100% sure it will ship!

 

[skit_data]

I am surprised at all the negativity of the Starfield and Redfall delay from Xbox fans. If there isn’t anything unannounced to pick up some slack this holiday I expect some very good day 1 Gamepass games in the fall. Who knows maybe they will even snag Elden Ring sometime later in the year.

Elden Ring would be the poorest choice to put in Gamepass IMO, most people who are interested would’ve bought it by then.

But something big day one would be a good idea indeed.

 

[KXVXII9X]

Reading some of the reality distorting bullshit in this thread has made me begin to question how some of you people would respond, if Phil retired and somebody who actually gives a shit about exclusivity took over and brought back console warring.

I bet this whole narrative that Xbox hasn't released any games would suddenly shift into panic over losing something.

I would be delighted if the next person was big into exclusivity. I think Xbox is best with its polished AA/indie releases like Ori, Cuphead, Wasteland 3, 00and Psychonauts 2.

 

[Leyasu]

Phil should straight up admit that it is possibly 2023 before this gen really starts for them.

I know COVID and a lot of the studios that they got were in between projects or at the end of others, contracts honored etc But it ain't a great look.

People are going to be expecting a polished, bug free Starfield given the delay and the focus on only series X/S and PC. I hope that Redfall isn't going to be getting delayed by a year (yeah I know nothing is confirmed, but I feel that they will give Starfield as long as it takes.), I was looking forward to some 4 player coop on that game

 

[DeepEnigma]

People are going to be expecting a polished, bug free Starfield

Bless their hearts.

 

[MaKTaiL]

It's like people forgot all about what happened to Cyberpunk.

Cyberpunk would still be bad even after a 2 year delay. The core experience was horrible from the start.

 

[skit_data]

Bless their hearts.

 

[WorldHero]

Phil is the definition of lip service. Not much faith in him or what he has to say at this point.