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Xbox passed on deal to make Marvel games to focus on their own IP - Head of Marvel Games

Klayzer

Member
Lognor and Hendricks shitting on Marvel games as trash and garbage yet in the thread "Guardians of the Galaxy finding their audience on Gamepass"

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What happened all of a sudden that you're glad? Were you pissed off that you were getting garbage and trash so you were trying to create a dumpster fire with those emojis?
Fuckin busted mic drop gotcha. I'm sure that was totally different though, lol.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Well assuming it was multiple games. Plus other studios often help studios with first party games.
I know its hard to believe with the annoyingly successful superhero movies, but not everyone cares about playing superhero games, as The Avengers and GOTG showed perfectly. So yeah some of you stop trying to turn this into console war shite please.

Uh......that "console war shite" works both ways dude. You've got folks saying MS "dodged a bullet" here. That's absurd. Spider-man sold 20 million copies. Batman sold shit tons. No one is saying you have to like superhero games. But if I'm going to point to irrational console warrior posts it is going to be the ones pretending Spider-man not being on Xbox One last gen was a good thing.
 

Pedro Motta

Member
I'm glad. Disney Marvel is garbage.

Good. They dodged a bullet

Disney 100% approves these games and their content.

Try taking your own advice. Many do not like Marvel since Disney took them over. No need to be a warrior.

Idk, I found the characters and story to be very Disney-like. They even changed PP to look more like Tom Holland.
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Isn't MS developing a Disney IP?
 
Yeah thanks. Warriors are annoyingly tyring to turn this into console war crap. I'd be pretty annoyed if 3 or 4 of MS studios were having to make superhero games over other games.
Outside of Batman, who i dont even really consider a 'superhero', i couldnt care less, especially with Marvel which imo is a lot more kiddy l.ike compared to DC.

Even Sony doesn’t have multiple studios making Marvel games it’s only just one. Plus they still are able to release other games as well.
 

Stuart360

Member
Uh......that "console war shite" works both ways dude. You've got folks saying MS "dodged a bullet" here. That's absurd. Spider-man sold 20 million copies. Batman sold shit tons. No one is saying you have to like superhero games. But if I'm going to point to irrational console warrior posts it is going to be the ones pretending Spider-man not being on Xbox One last gen was a good thing.
Well i was talking more about the numerous posts implying the people saying they dont care for superhero games are lying or 'Xdudes'. Its fucking childish, and disingenous.
 

slade

Member
I'm glad MS didn't get in on this. They would have just made a subpar GAAS and called it a day like Square Enix. For my tastes, Sony is a much better fit. They do the cinematic action/adventure stuff better then anyone.
 

Swift_Star

Banned
Source on that? And how do you explain cod of it remains multiplatform? You said exclusive content is very important and yet it looks like cod might not be exclusive. So ms seems to disagree with you! Outriders wasn't exclusive but it being on game pass was a huge boon for the dev. The game sold better because of game pass. But it wasn't exclusive. Countless other examples of this. Exclusivity is not the end all be all.

Serious negotiations, sure. But again NO ip owner would license their ip in perpetuity. It could be long term or be continually renewed but Sony doesn't own it.

You read the op right? Ms said no. They had the chance. They said no. That's the story. No
Again showing how you’re clueless and incapable to even understand Microsoft.
 

sol_bad

Member
Idk, I found the characters and story to be very Disney-like. They even changed PP to look more like Tom Holland.

This sort of critique is so dumb and makes no sense. I mean what's the difference between a Disney-like movie and something like Jumanji or the Dora movie or the Sonic movie?
Or what's the difference between an MCU movie and Shazzam or Aquaman?

They are all movies of various qualities, the fact that it's made by Disney or not has nothing to do with it.

This extends to the games, Disney don't really interfere with Marvel stuff. It's Marvel themselves that approve and disapprove things. And even though they approve/disapprove things it's still going to come down to the writers and the development team regarding the quality of the product. As to how much Marvel actually "interferes" with things, that's yet to be seen. If Marvel would have actually interfered more with the Avengers game we might have got a good product.
 

Swift_Star

Banned
I dont really watch any Marvel anymore. Im not sure why its so hard to believe that not everyone wants licensed Marvel games from first party studios.
That’s not what is hard to believe. What is hard to believe is that marvel or superheroes games in general are irrelevant and don’t matter like the green rats are trying to spin here. Some people might really not want these games but they’re the vast MINORITY of the gaming population.
 
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Uh......that "console war shite" works both ways dude. You've got folks saying MS "dodged a bullet" here. That's absurd. Spider-man sold 20 million copies. Batman sold shit tons. No one is saying you have to like superhero games. But if I'm going to point to irrational console warrior posts it is going to be the ones pretending Spider-man not being on Xbox One last gen was a good thing.

Nah let them keep talking. it's amusing so far 😂😂😂
 

01011001

Banned
That’s not what is hard to believe. What is hard to believe is that marvel or superheroes games in general are irrelevant and don’t matter like the green rats are trying to spin here. Some people might really not want these games but they’re the vast MINORITY of the gaming population.

the only reason anyone wanted Spider Man by Sony is A: it's first party so fanboys will buy it and B: it was made by Insomniac, a trusted studio
most super hero games are complete shit and over time people noticed, hence why some publishers lost interest.

on a different note:
Marvel's Spider-Man was indeed a worthy rival for the Arkham games.
lol, not even close... don't get my wrong I Platinumed both games, but Batman is in another league, especially the first 2 but even Arkham Knight with its flaws.
 
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the only reason anyone wanted Spider Man by Sony is A: it's first party so fanboys will buy it and B: it was made by Insomniac, a trusted studio
most super hero games are complete shit and over time people noticed, hence why some publishers lost interest.

on a different note:

lol, not even close... don't get my wrong I Platinumed both games, but Batman is in another league, especially the first 2 but even Arkham Knight with its flaws.

I believe Spider-Man was well received so people also bought it because it was a good game.
 

SLB1904

Banned
Sunset overdrive came out in 2014, so that could have been a possibilty I suppose. But had they already been contracted by Sony to work on a game for them?
I play sunset after spiderman thanks to gamepass. And you can clearly see spiderman got a lot from it. Great game honestly, went in just for the story and live it. Insomniac can't miss
 
My point is an exclusive game made from the bottom up on PlayStation is not the same as paying to prevent an established franchise from coming out on another platform. The Spider-Man game was never an example of a money hat. Sony absolutely moneyhatted Street Fighter and Final Fantasy. Spider-Man is a completely different story.
Square had not been putting Final Fantasy on Xbox since the Xbox released and it took a total of zero dollars from Sony.

Same goes for many Japanese games such as Disgaea, Atelier, Persona. These games aren't on Xbox because they don't sell. There is no "moneyhat".

Plus, are you not the guy talking about how smart it was of Microsoft to buy timed exclusivity for Rogue Legacy 2 and Tunic?
 

SLB1904

Banned
Lognor and Hendricks shitting on Marvel games as trash and garbage yet in the thread "Guardians of the Galaxy finding their audience on Gamepass"

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What happened all of a sudden that you're glad? Were you pissed off that you were getting garbage and trash so you were trying to create a dumpster fire with those emojis?
Disgusting behaviour honestly
 
I believe Spider-Man was well received so people also bought it because it was a good game.

Yup, marvel's spider-man is and was a good game. Not because of it being exclusive but because it was and is a game that truly understands what makes spider-man so special and appealing. that it isn't just about spider-man, it's also about Peter parker and when those worlds collide. when spider-man wins, Peter loses, and Peter loses, spider-man wins.
 

01011001

Banned
I believe Spider-Man was well received so people also bought it because it was a good game.

not talking about people as in the end user, but more so why a company might pass on a super hero deal. Spiderman is not the rule, it is the exception, just like the Arkham games.

look at how badly Guardians sold, or Avengers being basically a wasteland now
 

Lognor

Banned
Not true. Sony owns the Spider-man movie license in perpetuity which is why there were negotiations going on in the first place.



Sure......but obviously it wasn't because Microsoft would never back a project without owning the IP, as you claimed.
Yeah, I guess Marvel did that. Prior to Disney buying them. With the way Disney protects their IP I think it is very unlikely that Sony owns the gaming rights to Spiderman in perpetuity. Again, look at MLB. If Sony had that kind of pull why didn't they buy the gaming rights to MLB? Same with EA and Fifa. These licenses are for a certain period of time. We don't know what the timing is and it may be that Marvel re-ups when the current contract ends, much like Fifa did with EA for years and years, but there is some amount of uncertainty there. At this point it's a very good deal for both sides as Marvel gets their cut and Spiderman sells a lot of copies.

I think with Sunset Overdrive that was a different Microsoft. They were the ones locking down exclusive deals and such. Now Microsoft owns enough IPs that they don't have devs to develop for so it doesn't make a lot of sense for them to pay a lot of money to license an IP.

Again showing how you’re clueless and incapable to even understand Microsoft.
I'm the clueless one? LOL, that's hilarious coming from you.
 

kyoji

Member
My point is an exclusive game made from the bottom up on PlayStation is not the same as paying to prevent an established franchise from coming out on another platform. The Spider-Man game was never an example of a money hat. Sony absolutely moneyhatted Street Fighter and Final Fantasy. Spider-Man is a completely different story.
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jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
the only reason anyone wanted Spider Man by Sony is A: it's first party so fanboys will buy it and B: it was made by Insomniac, a trusted studio
most super hero games are complete shit and over time people noticed, hence why some publishers lost interest.

on a different note:

lol, not even close... don't get my wrong I Platinumed both games, but Batman is in another league, especially the first 2 but even Arkham Knight with its flaws.
If you think it's not even close....I dont what to say.... Only that you are entitled to your opinion.

I will say its more fun to move around the city as Spider-Man tho.

And thats mainly because of their styles. Batman moves and fights like a tank. Spider-Man is more agile.

Spider-Man is one of the few games I didnt use fast travel.
 
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Square had not been putting Final Fantasy on Xbox since the Xbox released and it took a total of zero dollars from Sony.

Same goes for many Japanese games such as Disgaea, Atelier, Persona. These games aren't on Xbox because they don't sell. There is no "moneyhat".

Plus, are you not the guy talking about how smart it was of Microsoft to buy timed exclusivity for Rogue Legacy 2 and Tunic?
Negative. Find one post from me talking how good it was for MS to 'moneyhat' Tunic and Rogue Legacy. Also it's quite amusing to compare to indie titles to Final Fantasy and Street Fighter. You are kidding yourself if you think Final Fantasy and Street Fighter wouldn't sell on Xbox. Those are major decades old franchises. Franchises older than even the PlayStation.
Hopefully you'll find one some day.
 

Punished Miku

Gold Member
I loved Arkham Asylum. Couldn't finish any other Batman.

Loved Spider Man. Couldn't finish Miles Morales.

Didn't like Avengers much. Didn't finish it. It has some good things in there.

Liked Guardians. But only got it once it was 50% off. Better than I expected.

Yes I would much rather we get new IP. And Suicide Squad and Gotham Knights look like games to get after deep sales. Both Avengers and Guardians bombed so the IP alone is not a guarantee it'll be amazing.
 

Tripolygon

Banned
the only reason anyone wanted Spider Man by Sony is A: it's first party so fanboys will buy it and
Fanboys exist in forums, Spiderman PS4 has sold over 20 million copies, Miles probably over 10 million. That is a mainstream type of number and not forum dwellers number who some thought Spiderman was Niche.

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B: it was made by Insomniac, a trusted studio
No, Sunset overdrive did not set the charts on fire, and neither did Fuse or the VR games they were making.

most super hero games are complete shit and over time people noticed, hence why some publishers lost interest.
That has nothing with superhero games in general and more to do with the lack of care given to some of those games. The batman games rekindled the genre and Spiderman has run with it. I enjoyed Guardians of the galaxy too.

on a different note:

lol, not even close... don't get my wrong I Platinumed both games, but Batman is in another league, especially the first 2 but even Arkham Knight with its flaws.
They are both equally great superhero games.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Yeah, I guess Marvel did that. Prior to Disney buying them. With the way Disney protects their IP I think it is very unlikely that Sony owns the gaming rights to Spiderman in perpetuity. Again, look at MLB. If Sony had that kind of pull why didn't they buy the gaming rights to MLB? Same with EA and Fifa. These licenses are for a certain period of time. We don't know what the timing is and it may be that Marvel re-ups when the current contract ends, much like Fifa did with EA for years and years, but there is some amount of uncertainty there. At this point it's a very good deal for both sides as Marvel gets their cut and Spiderman sells a lot of copies.

Sony doesn't have a playing card with MLB like they do with Marvel. Either Sony does what MLB wants or they lose the franchise altogether. They had an advantage with Marvel and the MCU and I think they used it, but I don't know that.

I think with Sunset Overdrive that was a different Microsoft. They were the ones locking down exclusive deals and such. Now Microsoft owns enough IPs that they don't have devs to develop for so it doesn't make a lot of sense for them to pay a lot of money to license an IP.

I think Microsoft (of today) would jump on a Marvel or DC franchise in a heartbeat. And I think MS screwed up not jumping on it in 2014. Agree to disagree then.
 
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not talking about people as in the end user, but more so why a company might pass on a super hero deal. Spiderman is not the rule, it is the exception, just like the Arkham games.

look at how badly Guardians sold, or Avengers being basically a wasteland now

For the most part it’s going to rely on the developer. If you hand over the IP to someone extremely capable it will be good. Which is why Spider-Man ended up being a good game and the sequel will most likely be good as well. Not to mention Wolverine.

As I mentioned earlier it’s more due to what the developer does with the IP than the IP being bad by itself. Most of what Marvel has is pretty good they just need the right people to make the games. I’m sure Insomniac are not the only ones capable of making good Marvel games.
 
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Swift_Star

Banned
the only reason anyone wanted Spider Man by Sony is A: it's first party so fanboys will buy it and B: it was made by Insomniac, a trusted studio
most super hero games are complete shit and over time people noticed, hence why some publishers lost interest.


on a different note:

lol, not even close... don't get my wrong I Platinumed both games, but Batman is in another league, especially the first 2 but even Arkham Knight with its flaws.
Sure, jan
 

01011001

Banned
If you think it's not even close....I dont what to say.... Only that you are entitled to your opinion.

I will say its more fun to move around the city as Spider-Man tho.

And thats mainly because of their styles. Batman moves and fights like a tank. Spider-Man is more agile.

Spider-Man is one of the few games I didnt use fast travel.

the Batman Arkham games, especially the first 2, are a full tier above Spider Man imo. less reliance on context sensitive mechanics, less random player movement restriction for no in-universe reason, better designed stealth encounters, better leveldesign and better controls.

Spider-Man imo is like an 8/10, and Arkham Asylum + City are both in the 9.5 area... with Arkham Knight being ~8.9
 

Lognor

Banned
Sony doesn't have a playing card with MLB like they do with Marvel. Either Sony does what MLB wants or they lose the franchise altogether. They had an advantage with Marvel and the MCU and I think they used it, but I don't know that.



I think Microsoft would jump on a Marvel or DC franchise in a heartbeat. Agree to disagree then.
Again, did you read the OP? Marvel GAVE MS the opportunity to "jump on" one of their IPs. MS passed. LOL. It's right there from the head of Marvel Games. It's what this thread is about!!
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
In my eyes less Marvel is always better, it already infecting everything. They are as bad as Minions.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Again, did you read the OP? Marvel GAVE MS the opportunity to "jump on" one of their IPs. MS passed. LOL. It's right there from the head of Marvel Games. It's what this thread is about!!

You were referring to Microsoft of today, dude. That's what I was talking about.
 

Swift_Star

Banned
not talking about people as in the end user, but more so why a company might pass on a super hero deal. Spiderman is not the rule, it is the exception, just like the Arkham games.

look at how badly Guardians sold, or Avengers being basically a wasteland now
Will you keep saying that when Wolverine becomes a success?
 

Lognor

Banned
You were referring to Microsoft of today, dude. That's what I was talking about.
Okay got it. Yeah, we'll need to agree to disagree then. Microsoft already has way more IPs than they can develop for (and soon to be SIGNIFICANTLY more once the Activision acquisition completes). So why would they license an IP from someone else when they'd have to split the revenues? Doesn't make sense. The Indiana Jones game aside since that was Bethesda. And I'd bet that game releases on PS4/5 which would be a great indication that the deal was done pre-acquisition.

And do you think this was a one time offer from Marvel? Unlikely. Sony just added Wolverine to their stable of Marvel IP. You don't think Marvel would entertain a discussion with Microsoft if the latter wanted to develop a Punisher game or something? Seems unlikely.
 

01011001

Banned
Fanboys exist in forums, Spiderman PS4 has sold over 20 million copies, Miles probably over 10 million. That is a mainstream type of number and not forum dwellers number who some thought Spiderman was Niche.

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believe me, exclusive games made and promoted by a first party tend to have a more favorable stance in the minds of the console owners.

No, Sunset overdrive did not set the charts on fire, and neither did Fuse or the VR games they were making.

which shows that quality doesn't sell games, imo Sunset Overdrive is a better game

That has nothing with superhero games in general and more to do with the lack of care given to some of those games. The batman games rekindled the genre and Spiderman has run with it. I enjoyed Guardians of the galaxy too.

there were good super hero games that didn't sell that well, and at the time this deal was made it was a time of absolute overflow of mediocre Marvel games... Guardians is shit tho, it deserved to sell badly, I don't get why people praise it that much, absolutely awful fighting system with terrible hit detection and animations.

They are both equally great superhero games.

both great, yes... equally great? not at all
 

SLB1904

Banned
the Batman Arkham games, especially the first 2, are a full tier above Spider Man imo. less reliance on context sensitive mechanics, less random player movement restriction for no in-universe reason, better designed stealth encounters, better leveldesign and better controls.

Spider-Man imo is like an 8/10, and Arkham Asylum + City are both in the 9.5 area... with Arkham Knight being ~8.9
The copium with this dude.
The gameplay in spiderman is miles ahead of arkhan games. With no sliding teleport mash button bullshit.
Having said that love all the arkhan games and they are in my favourite games ever list, but spiderman is in a different league all together, when come to set pieces, gameplay. Story is subjective but insomniac spiderman has better story than this Disney movies in my opinion.

Will you keep saying that when Wolverine becomes a success?
Didn't you know, it will be a success because is a Sony game. According to him every Sony game is success
 
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Klayzer

Member
For the most part it’s going to rely on the developer. If you hand over the IP so someone extremely capable it will be good. Which is why Spider-Man ended up being a good game and the sequel will most likely be good as well. Not to mention Wolverine.

As I mentioned earlier it’s more due to what the developer does with the IP than the IP being bad by itself. Most of what Marvel has is pretty good they just need the right people to make the games. I’m sure Insomniac are not the only ones capable of making good Marvel games.
I bet Playground Games could make a great superhero game. All that studio ever does is put out high quality, great playing and looking releases. Hoping to hear an update on Fable next month.
 
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01011001

Banned
Will you keep saying that when Wolverine becomes a success?

no, because I also told you why I think Spider-Man was a success... and Wolverine literally has the exact same premise doesn't it?
but I don't think it will be as successful as Spider-Man, because Spider-Man is, well, Spider-Man... the most popular super hero out there basically.
 

Nydius

Member
Both Avengers and Guardians bombed so the IP alone is not a guarantee it'll be amazing.
People seem to be forgetting, or purposely ignoring, that Guardians bombed because Avengers sucked and they were from the same publisher, so buyers just assumed Guardians was going to be a shitshow like Avengers and avoided it. It didn't bomb because it was a bad game, it bombed because Avengers was a bad game and it got unfairly compared to it.

This thread would make people think all the super hero games are Avengers or Superman 64 levels of crap but that's hardly true. There is a wide range of quality, but most superhero games over the last two decades have been well received and sold fairly well.

Yes I would much rather we get new IP.

So would I. Quite the shame Microsoft hasn't bothered developing any and have painted themselves into a corner where the only way they can get new IP is to buy established studios like Bethesda or Activision/Blizzard. Especially when you stop and consider all the studios and IPs Microsoft owned during the OG Xbox and X360 era but pissed them all away as they obsessively focused on Gears/Halo/Forza/Fable (and then pissed away Fable, too).

Crimson Skies, Shadowrun, MechAssault, Viva Pinata, Kameo, Perfect Dark, Blinx, Banjo Kazooie, Quantum Redshift, Project Gotham Racing... the list goes on. Microsoft could have a Sony and Nintendo level stable of first party franchises across almost every genre if only they had simply invested in them.
 
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jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
the Batman Arkham games, especially the first 2, are a full tier above Spider Man imo. less reliance on context sensitive mechanics, less random player movement restriction for no in-universe reason, better designed stealth encounters, better leveldesign and better controls.

Spider-Man imo is like an 8/10, and Arkham Asylum + City are both in the 9.5 area... with Arkham Knight being ~8.9
Even with all that....by definition thats close, IMHO.

Unless 8 is now no longer close to 9.
 

01011001

Banned
The copium with this dude.
The gameplay in spiderman is miles ahead of arkhan games. With no sliding teleport mash button bullshit.
Having said that love all the arkhan games and they are in my favourite games ever list, but spiderman is in a different league all together, when come to set pieces, gameplay. Story is subjective but insomniac spiderman has better story than this Disney movies in my opinion.

Spider-Man has WAY too much handholding and context sensitive elements. also the mission design is extremely samey, and in the first game the missions with secondary characters were absolute dogshit

Arkham is way better <- fact
 
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The copium with this dude.
The gameplay in spiderman is miles ahead of arkhan games. With no sliding teleport mash button bullshit.
Having said that love all the arkhan games and they are in my favourite games ever list, but spiderman is in a different league all together, when come to set pieces, gameplay. Story is subjective but insomniac spiderman has better story than this Disney movies in my opinion.

I don’t think it really matters if the Arkham games were better or not. The fact is Spider-Man was well received and sold a lot of copies. To Marvel and a Sony that’s what matters and to the fans the game being good is the most important part.

No offense to anyone with this.
 
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