Bumblebeetuna
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If it’s on GamePass ill check it out. Otherwise, hard pass. Two year delay and it will be 42 years before the remake is finished anyway.
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FF7 Remake Removed From PS Store "Console Exclusives" Section.
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Cuphead was exclusive for 3 years for example
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Where is Dead Rising 3? The Last Remnant was also timed-exclusive for 10 years and Mass Effect 1 was blocked for 5 years too. BuT SoNy
Square Enix also had another exclusive on Xbox called Infinite Undiscovery. We are still waiting for that. Phil please!
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It's always hilarious to see well-known fanboys who spend a ton of time crying in threads like this tell someone who posted ITT once that they're losing their shit just because I used those words first. That's something my toddler would do "no, no, YOU'RE stupid!"
I don't understand why FF7r potentially coming to Xbox bothers you so much, lmao.
Cuphead? You mean the game from the devs who said this:
And even still, with all that from the devs themselves, it was, reportedly, Microsofts involvement that helped get the game multiplatform in the end? That game?
Probably the worst example you could use.
Where is Dead Rising 3? The Last Remnant was also timed-exclusive for 10 years and Mass Effect 1 was blocked for 5 years too. BuT SoNy
Square Enix also had another exclusive on Xbox called Infinite Undiscovery. We are still waiting for that. Phil please!
You clowns don't even take a few minutes to do research before you need to jump and defend your faceless corporation.
Dead Rising, the franchise that Capcom Vancouver have gone on record to say that Microsofts involvement with the IP (and publishing/marketing) are the reason it continues to even exist (yeah, I'm exaggerating a bit but you get the point)? Sony doesn't care about DR in the slightest. Microsoft probably only cared because they can't get their hands on anything else.
Mass Effect 1, that was partially funded and fully published by Microsoft and has "Microsoft Game Studios" in its start up menu? Pre-EA, when MS was too stupid to purchase the company/IP for peanuts and instead Bioware merged with Pandemic Studios which was bought out by EA and therefore Bioware = EA?
And lmao @ talking about Infinite Undiscovery, a game so bad that SE disowned the game and forgot it ever existed. Let's compare all this to games that are 100% fully developed and published by their companies to be moneyhatted with the sole intention of keeping it off the competitions console for 1/2+ years. Nobody is saying Microsoft hasn't done any form of moneyhatting but the desperation portrayed tontry and compare the two is hilarious.
Whats next, Titanfall, the game Respawn took first to Sony but was denied and told to put it on PSVita because they didn't want to send PS4 devkits since it was a secret at the time?
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Oh yeah so you have no problem justifying timed exclusive for Xbox but not playstation...Yeah I get how you think now...Keep warring some of us just want to point that all constructors do this but you can justify it only for one.I think it speaks more about you than anybody else.It's always hilarious to see well-known fanboys who spend a ton of time crying in threads like this tell someone who posted ITT once that they're losing their shit just because I used those words first. That's something my toddler would do "no, no, YOU'RE stupid!"
I don't understand why FF7r potentially coming to Xbox bothers you so much, lmao.
Cuphead? You mean the game from the devs who said this:
And even still, with all that from the devs themselves, it was, reportedly, Microsofts involvement that helped get the game multiplatform in the end? That game?
Probably the worst example you could use.
You clowns don't even take a few minutes to do research before you need to jump and defend your faceless corporation.
Dead Rising, the franchise that Capcom Vancouver have gone on record to say that Microsofts involvement with the IP (and publishing/marketing) are the reason it continues to even exist (yeah, I'm exaggerating a bit but you get the point)? Sony doesn't care about DR in the slightest. Microsoft probably only cared because they can't get their hands on anything else.
Mass Effect 1, that was partially funded and fully published by Microsoft and has "Microsoft Game Studios" in its start up menu? Pre-EA, when MS was too stupid to purchase the company/IP for peanuts and instead Bioware merged with Pandemic Studios which was bought out by EA and therefore Bioware = EA?
And lmao @ talking about Infinite Undiscovery, a game so bad that SE disowned the game and forgot it ever existed. Let's compare all this to games that are 100% fully developed and published by their companies to be moneyhatted with the sole intention of keeping it off the competitions console for 1/2+ years. Nobody is saying Microsoft hasn't done any form of moneyhatting but the desperation portrayed tontry and compare the two is hilarious.
Whats next, Titanfall, the game Respawn took first to Sony but was denied and told to put it on PSVita because they didn't want to send PS4 devkits since it was a secret at the time?
Captain Toad
Banned
Yup. Glad you have that self awareness to laugh at yourself.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
You're right Titanfall is another example.It's always hilarious to see well-known fanboys who spend a ton of time crying in threads like this tell someone who posted ITT once that they're losing their shit just because I used those words first. That's something my toddler would do "no, no, YOU'RE stupid!"
I don't understand why FF7r potentially coming to Xbox bothers you so much, lmao.
Cuphead? You mean the game from the devs who said this:
And even still, with all that from the devs themselves, it was, reportedly, Microsofts involvement that helped get the game multiplatform in the end? That game?
Probably the worst example you could use.
You clowns don't even take a few minutes to do research before you need to jump and defend your faceless corporation.
Dead Rising, the franchise that Capcom Vancouver have gone on record to say that Microsofts involvement with the IP (and publishing/marketing) are the reason it continues to even exist (yeah, I'm exaggerating a bit but you get the point)? Sony doesn't care about DR in the slightest. Microsoft probably only cared because they can't get their hands on anything else.
Mass Effect 1, that was partially funded and fully published by Microsoft and has "Microsoft Game Studios" in its start up menu? Pre-EA, when MS was too stupid to purchase the company/IP for peanuts and instead Bioware merged with Pandemic Studios which was bought out by EA and therefore Bioware = EA?
And lmao @ talking about Infinite Undiscovery, a game so bad that SE disowned the game and forgot it ever existed. Let's compare all this to games that are 100% fully developed and published by their companies to be moneyhatted with the sole intention of keeping it off the competitions console for 1/2+ years. Nobody is saying Microsoft hasn't done any form of moneyhatting but the desperation portrayed tontry and compare the two is hilarious.
Whats next, Titanfall, the game Respawn took first to Sony but was denied and told to put it on PSVita because they didn't want to send PS4 devkits since it was a secret at the time?
You think Sony didn't help the development and marketing of games like SF5, Deathloop, Ghostwire and FF7R?
Sony also "partially funded" the development with their moneyhats. That's the whole point. You don't have to twist it into MS moneyhat=good and Sony=they just dump it there with no help.
All the MS moneyhats from Japan flopped and the series died. Very helpful indeed
The only reason Microsoft kept publishing those games from third-parties was to block Sony. They did the same with Ninja Gaiden 2. Even worse than moneyhats. The games couldn't release on PS. They had to do remakes and remasters.
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DeepEnigma
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BusierDonkey
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If this had been an actual remake of Final Fantasy VII all in one release I would have mowed down a line of people to play it. In it's likely 20+ year piecemeal release state, not a chance.
At least the models were put to good use with blender.
At least the models were put to good use with blender.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
I
Infamy v1
Here's an old article about how Tecmo had to remake Ninja Gaiden for PS3 because MS publishing agreement blocked it. Now that Sigma version is coming out on Game Pass on the Ninja Gaiden collection so we can still feel the impact of that awful moneyhat in 2022. The original version is still locked on 360. You angry?
They did the same with Dead Rising 3 (never came to PS) and others like TitanFall (exclusive agreement with EA)
You must be boiling at that evil
Here's an old article about how Tecmo had to remake Ninja Gaiden for PS3 because MS publishing agreement blocked it. Now that Sigma version is coming out on Game Pass on the Ninja Gaiden collection so we can still feel the impact of that awful moneyhat in 2022. The original version is still locked on 360. You angry?
Want to know why a Microsoft published game went on PS3? - Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
For Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Want to know why a Microsoft published game went on PS3?".
gamefaqs.gamespot.com
They did the same with Dead Rising 3 (never came to PS) and others like TitanFall (exclusive agreement with EA)
You must be boiling at that evil
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Skifi28
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I'm not sure there's is as much difference as one would initially think.
Except all I did was literally quote the devs verbatim on why the game was exclusive. Even aside from the fact this came from the horses mouth, people who had been following Cuphead, you know, actual fans, knew the game was originally going to be released with far less content due to it coming from a 3 man team and limited resources. How that compares to an AAA game like the OP is about, FF7R, that Sony did not help develop or fund in any capacity, shows the mental gymnastics some will jump through.
When rats don't even need to be baited, you know it's bad. So, Respawns letter on exclusivity was a lie? Sony never denied the accusation that they turned the game down. Just a coincidence? You say the ONLY reason Microsoft publishes games is to block Sony. So everything said by these devs are lies? Because a rabid fanboy on the internet says so?
Street Fighter...6? Freudian slip damage control before the game is even announced PS5 exclusive? At least wait until the SoP
Show me proof that Sony helped develop FF7R. I'll wait.
And "help marketing?" Lmao, they have the marketing rights. Marketing rights are paid for, contractually, for good reason. Trying to equate that into development or publishment reeks of desperation. I would understand if they published the game, but they did not.
Well, as if it wasn't already obvious with my last response, this takes the cake. You don't partially fund with a moneyhat. That's not what a moneyhat is. Did Sony partially fund Deathloop, Ghostwire Tokyo, and almost Starfield? FFXVI? Forspoken? CTR? Bugsnax? RE7, CoD and Destiny DLC?
I'm sure you'll keep moving them goalposts, though.
All MS moneyhats flopped? But I thought you said they moneyhatted Mass Effect, despite being proven wrong with facts? The game and its two sequels went on to be critically acclaimed and commercially successful. Titanfall, by your words? The first game broke records and did better then the multiplat sequel did with a vastly larger install base (although that's partially on EAs fault for sandwiching it between BF). Cuphead (according to you lot) flopped? You said all, now watch you twist and squirm and single out specific games. And the fact that you need to randomly blurt that out like you needed to get it off your chest speaks volumes.All the MS moneyhats flopped and the series died. Very helpful indeed
Yeah, devs are lying because angry internet fanboy says so.
You link a Gamefaqs post (lol) that has a link to gamer.blorge.com (lol) that says "Console manufacturers sign a binding contract to pay for the marketing and manufacturing costs of the studio’s game in exchange for an indefinite exclusive deal with the studio."
Is this it, your last ditch attempt? Did you even read what you linked? 13 years ago a company signed a binding contract stating in exchange for fully publishing and marketing a game, it has to be exclusive for an indefinite amount of time? Microsoft and Sony both do this til this very day, notably with indies because publishing AAA games is expensive as fuck and a lot of work. Did Sony publish and pay for any of the manufacturing costs of FF7R, the game the OP is talking about? I'll wait.
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
I know about that, I was part of the people that helped them change their mind here, because they were here (I don't know if they are still here) and were pretty open to talk about the game....Except all I did was literally quote the devs verbatim on why the game was exclusive. Even aside from the fact this came from the horses mouth, people who had been following Cuphead, you know, actual fans, knew the game was originally going to be released with far less content due to it coming from a 3 man team and limited resources. How that compares to an AAA game like the OP is about, FF7R, that Sony did not help develop or fund in any capacity, shows the mental gymnastics some will jump through.
When rats don't even need to be baited, you know it's bad. So, Respawns letter on exclusivity was a lie? Sony never denied the accusation that they turned the game down. Just a coincidence? You say the ONLY reason Microsoft publishes games is to block Sony. So everything said by these devs are lies? Because a rabid fanboy on the internet says so?
Street Fighter...6? Freudian slip damage control before the game is even announced PS5 exclusive? At least wait until the SoP
Show me proof that Sony helped develop FF7R. I'll wait.
And "help marketing?" Lmao, they have the marketing rights. Marketing rights are paid for, contractually, for good reason. Trying to equate that into development or publishment reeks of desperation. I would understand if they published the game, but they did not.
Well, as if it wasn't already obvious with my last response, this takes the cake. You don't partially fund with a moneyhat. That's not what a moneyhat is. Did Sony partially fund Deathloop, Ghostwire Tokyo, and almost Starfield? FFXVI? Forspoken? CTR? Bugsnax? RE7, CoD and Destiny DLC?
I'm sure you'll keep moving them goalposts, though.
All MS moneyhats flopped? But I thought you said they moneyhatted Mass Effect, despite being proven wrong with facts? The game and its two sequels went on to be critically acclaimed and commercially successful. Titanfall, by your words? The first game broke records and did better then the multiplat sequel did with a vastly larger install base (although that's partially on EAs fault for sandwiching it between BF). Cuphead (according to you lot) flopped? You said all, now watch you twist and squirm and single out specific games. And the fact that you need to randomly blurt that out like you needed to get it off your chest speaks volumes.
Yeah, devs are lying because angry internet fanboy says so.
You link a Gamefaqs post (lol) that has a link to gamer.blorge.com (lol) that says "Console manufacturers sign a binding contract to pay for the marketing and manufacturing costs of the studio’s game in exchange for an indefinite exclusive deal with the studio."
Is this it, your last ditch attempt? Did you even read what you linked? 13 years ago a company signed a binding contract stating in exchange for fully publishing and marketing a game, it has to be exclusive for an indefinite amount of time? Microsoft and Sony both do this til this very day, notably with indies because publishing AAA games is expensive as fuck and a lot of work. Did Sony publish and pay for any of the manufacturing costs of FF7R, the game the OP is talking about? I'll wait.
But I don't get how you can say that what they are saying verbatim is true since the game did come out on ps4, so since this info is factually wrong in your quote what else is ?
And another interesting thing is how do you know that FFVII wouldn't have been different without sony's involvment ?Because (and I will reuse some of the argument made by the cuphead dev), it gave them funding, so more freedom to implement things or even more leeway about dev time, gave them visibility (it was called the E3 of dreams)...So 2 exact same points made by the cuphead team that you quoted yourself.So sure Square has way more financial freedom than the cuphead devs, but did sony helped them getting visibility? Yes....Did it help funding the game ? Yes...Did it help the game scope? ...Probably neither you or me have any proof of it but I tend to believe that getting payed in advance helps.
Now you might think "so then you find it OK for sony to moneyhat games"...The answer is no this is not a justification of anything but it is simply using what you used as a justification for when MS does the same.If those arguments don't convince you then the problem comes from bias and not objective truth.
It does not mean that what sony did was not shitty, it just means that what MS did was shitty too no matter how you defend it.
You wanted example I gave you one, you use some arguments to defend it and I used the exact same arguments to another game now tell me what is the difference except that 1 is moneyhatted by Sony and the other by MS?
You see I don't make mental gymnastic to justify one or the other I just showed you with your own arguments that those deals were shitty.
No if you want a rebutal of my post you will have to fight your own arguments which ultimately destroy your own argumentation...
BreakOut
Member
Ff remake is on PC. It was removed from the console exclusive list.
Swift_Star
Banned
Buy a ps5 and be happy.
I know about that, I was part of the people that helped them change their mind here, because they were here (I don't know if they are still here) and were pretty open to talk about the game....
But I don't get how you can say that what they are saying verbatim is true since the game did come out on ps4, so since this info is factually wrong in your quote what else is ?
And another interesting thing is how do you know that FFVII wouldn't have been different without sony's involvment ?Because (and I will reuse some of the argument made by the cuphead dev), it gave them funding, so more freedom to implement things or even more leeway about dev time, gave them visibility (it was called the E3 of dreams)...So 2 exact same points made by the cuphead team that you quoted yourself.So sure Square has way more financial freedom than the cuphead devs, but did sony helped them getting visibility? Yes....Did it help funding the game ? Yes...Did it help the game scope? ...Probably neither you or me have any proof of it but I tend to believe that getting payed in advance helps.
Now you might think "so then you find it OK for sony to moneyhat games"...The answer is no this is not a justification of anything but it is simply using what you used as a justification for when MS does the same.If those arguments don't convince you then the problem comes from bias and not objective truth.
It does not mean that what sony did was not shitty, it just means that what MS did was shitty too no matter how you defend it.
You wanted example I gave you one, you use some arguments to defend it and I used the exact same arguments to another game now tell me what is the difference except that 1 is moneyhatted by Sony and the other by MS?
You see I don't make mental gymnastic to justify one or the other I just showed you with your own arguments that those deals were shitty.
No if you want a rebutal of my post you will have to fight your own arguments which ultimately destroy your own argumentation...
The worst thing about fanboys like you is that you believe your own shit. You're not trolling, you legitimately believe your own verbal diarrhea.
I stated a verbatim quote from Studio MDHR, period. It releasing on PS4 three years later doesn't negate that. The fact that you're asking what else could be wrong with my quote when it is factually known that the devs had to remortgage their houses to pay for the development of the game is ridiculous, especially because the devs posted straight to this website reguarly. Microsoft coming in and funding the game to be greater than originally visioned, publishing the game and allowing them to keep the IP literally has zero correlation to Sony and FF7R.
The fact that you have the testicular fortitude to say Sony helped visibility, funding and increasing FF7R's scope thanks to the moneyhat (with no facts aside from talesfromyourass) and that this is in any way comparable to Cuphead is mind-boggling. Literally calling these devs liars, and literally ignoring what we factually know about the studios hardships.
And you think you're not using "mental gymnastics" and that that you're using my argument against me? I don't know if this is more hilarious or more sad, lmao.
SLB1904
Banned
yeah and i said its because is full console exclusive. it would be misleading being there
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Don't worry take a step back, all the time you need and you'll see that it is yourself you are fighting....Because you feel the need to go on a long rant and ad hominem when I simply corected your post saying that MS doesn't do long timed exclusive by giving you a literal example of a 3 years timed exclusive...You went to justify it because you need to defend your favorite company, I don't, that's why I said both companies were shitty in that regard, which unsurprisingly triggered you.That's the neat thing with bias , you always think yours are justified, I've heard stories of pro life people going through abortions without seeing the least bit of irony there....Just like you here.
The difference is I am not defending sony, I am simply showing how your justifications for MS is not one and can totally be aplied to almost any timed exclusive.But you didn't see that right ?You saw that as an attack to MS instead of an attack to a business practice, you saw that as a personal attack because the company you care about was doing the bad practice...I criticized both yet I am a warrior.....I didn't attack you personaly and you did, yet I am the warrior...
Do you see a pattern there ?Now maybe start a little introspection or simply grow up.
BreakOut
Member
G-d of war is there.
Stop lying. Anyone can scroll up and see that I never said that. I said they don't moneyhat 2 year timed exclusives. You did not correct anything by mentioning Cuphead, which I refuted your claim with facts straight from the devs themselves. How can it be a moneyhat if the devs are saying the game wouldn't exist without Microsofts involvement and literal funding? This is like saying Spiderman is a moneyhat from Sony. Pay attention next time.
You say I went on a long rant just because I used actual facts versus your made up claims? The only difference between post length between me and you is you write a sloppy wall of text rant with terrible punctuation all jumbled together, and mine is spaced out and easier to read. Talk about self-reflection and introspection...
And now you're comparing me to pro-life abortionists? Sorry, will you accuse me of ad hominem again if I saw you sound like a rambling old man yelling at the clouds incoherently? Because you think you make sense when in reality you're making a fool out of yourself. Stop being a hypocrite, and own up to the fact your Cuphead example got shut down.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Oh so Cuphead wasn't a timed exclusive of 3 years then?
Glad to learn that , no matter how you justify it....
I don't compare you to pro life abortionnist, I used it as an example about how your bias (in the general sense of your) always seems justified to you.I think you are getting a bit emotional, don't worry man we are just talking about timed exclusive but I see that it strikes a nerve with you.
And you are the one saying that FFVII would've been the same without sony's money, I say that it is a speculation, hence the probably part.It is impressive how you unerstood so little of my post while being insulting....Maybe if you weren't so moved by this discussion you would see that you are just trying to justify facts, others have shown examples and again you were adamant to defend Xbox....It's okay, you will be fine, Xbox can do shitty practices, sony and Nintendo too and I won't get emotionnal about it.Because they're not my friend , nor yours oonce again I am not saying sony==good, Ms == bad I am just saying timed exclusives are shitty but they are OK to you as long as it is Xbox and that's fine you have the right to have your own bias just like me and anyone (except for ouya fans, they deserve Hell).Now if you want to talk constructively I'd be happy to but burrying your head in the sand attacking anyone disagreeing is not an interesting discussion.I will now let you probably get angry (see that the probably means speculation, I am just clarifying since you had trouble getting the nuance in my earlier post) otherwise you will just join my ignore list, I have been civil and level headed and I expect the same from any user here.If I had been vindicative from the start I would've understand your agresivity but nothing here justify it.Now feel free to call anyone a warrior but right now you are definitely looking like one....That's not a good thingand I encline you to change that behaviour for a future constructive talk.Have a great night or great day (I don't know where you live) on that I will hit the bed.
...do you even know what a moneyhat is? You keep rambling incoherently, ignoring actual facts, while talking about striking nerves and other random nonsense. Providing links, quotes, et al. does nothing because it's ignored and the goalposts moved. Your example got debunked, period. Cover your ears and close your eyes if you want.
It's always the same with you lot. Ramble on about nothing, ignore facts, "counter" said facts with made up nonsense, then play the victim and dip out. And you specifically do it on a forum where you scarcely get called out for your bullshit, too. Also, you shouldn't be a hypocrite and tell someone proving you wrong with facts that they're "attacking" you when the majority of your post is talking down to them, insults ("strike a nerve, emotional, triggered," etc). and patronization. Just a little tip for you before bedtime.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
You are lucky I take my time before sleeping, so I can answer one last time.Have I been playing the victim ?That is all you get from this ?Do you know how to answer simple question then maybe?Was cuphead a timed exclusive of 3 years.My first post to you wa litterally cuphead was exclusive for 3 years ....Is it not factual ?You said Ms doesn't do years timed exclusive I provided an example.Do you understand that finding it justified doesn't change anything, it is still a timed exclusive right ?
Do you want to call more justified than FFVII ?Sure if that makes you happy.
You see I don't ignore fact even (even though you provided interview which are technically not facts but that's another subject)I am just telling you what difference does it make since it can be apllied to almost any timed exclusive, for which your rebutal was....No it is ridiculous.
And nothing else, then you say I get called for my bulshit I'd like you to point that out, because most of the time, I post jokes, gifs and games I am happy about or skeptical, but I am sure that you say that not having any post that got called bullshit here right ?
And to you attacking someone is using terms like strike a nerve emotionnal and triggered?So basically can only be found in the last post after you kept insulting me and that is the worst you could find ?Poor you, I have been civil and even offered you a mutualy understanding and compassionnate exit door....And you viewed it as an attack....So I will simply explain why I used those terms since they are apparently an "attack"...I used emotional because I know how we gamers can be emotional for things we care(sometimes too much) about and I assumed that it was the reason that you where so insulting,strike a nerve because I think it was the part that made you emotionnal (or triggered) and that it was the sparkle to your insults....Now if you are telling me that it is simply how you are and talk it is easy, the discussion is over and you will join my ignore list because you can't be talked with...But yeah I play the victim....poor you I used the word emotional...And I play the victim, I encourage you to ignore me because I will ignore you after this post...Maybe this will help you feel safer from such nefarious words like emotionnal, nerve, triggered...
Edit AAAAAND ignored this will prevent the thread from being further derailed by an agressive warrior.
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saintjules
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Kilau
Member
Seems likely but unless it’s a tweet from the account I wouldn’t assume it’s from the same person.
Tutomos
Member
Snitch said it isn't him who said it
Swift_Star
Banned
At this point if you want final fantasy, kingdom hearts or Japanese games in general, why the hell are you buying an Xbox?
tmlDan
Member
i like how they were like who tf is Rand lol
Ezekiel_
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GhostOfTsu
Banned
Yes, Naraka was announced last year on PS5 with video footage and promo by IGN but yesterday it was announced as a console launch exclusive on Xbox only! The PS5 version must be done by now but Phil moneyhatted it and blocked the release on PS once again.
I don't see any outrage about it as usual because it's on Xbox. Why always the double standard?
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II_JumPeR_I
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Kingdom hearts is on Xbox.. lets hope they dont do the same douchebag move with kh4
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
All the KH and almost all FF games are available on Xbox. It's more likely that KH4 will be on Xbox than that it won't.
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Naked Lunch
Member
Typical fanboy drivel.
As already stated, the series you listed are almost entirely already on Xbox - pretty sure Xbox is the only current console that plays the FFXIII Trilogy too.
For Japanese games in general - stuff like Radiant Silvergun, Orta, and Otogi is still only on xb.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
and ninja gaiden black
EDMIX
Member
Look, I don't disagree with you, but I wouldn't be shocked that if KH4 follows FFXVI route with some timed deal. They just don't move that much units on XB for Square and I think if anything they are fucking hoping Sony comes knocking with some deal.
With KH3, XB only accounted for 18% of sales
UK Sales Charts: Kingdom Hearts 3 Dominates on PS4
Sony's system accounts for 82 per cent of sales
www.pushsquare.com
So if you are Square, you might want to consider either leaving it behind, porting later or getting a timed deal that will pay for the port a year later or something. So, its hard to say what they'll do with KH4 right now. A publisher starting to put games on a system, doesn't mean they'll continue that. All that is based on IF those games continue to sell. We've see that lots of times mind you. A publisher puts a IP on a system, does poorly...you stop seeing that IP appear there lol So if you are Square, Capcom, Sega. You are kinda in a tough spot. XB has power like PS and PC, but a install base that doesn't take well to JRPGs, Switch has a massive install base, but one that doesn't take well to games rated M and relatively weak. So you get this odd situation where many JRPGs can appear on Switch based on rating and level of demand tech wise, but not appear on XB based on install base not playing those titles as much. So the combo as far as I can see will likely be PS and PC, PS and Nintendo like....90% of the time, for other IP rated M like Persona, Yakuza etc, you'll see PC, PS, XB. Either way, if someone likes KH or games like it, I just don't know if it makes sense owning a XB or a Nintendo system simply to wait, hope etc.
Nintendo and PS systems for any fan should be defaults for a lot of this imho.
Naked Lunch
nahhhh its a very valid point. What fan of those IP are out here fucking waiting for FFVII remake, FFXVI as its timed and a shit ton of other games? So....yea I have to fucking question that shit too as it sounds like they'd spend more time waiting to play those games, then playing those games. So there is always going to be a long list of Japanese games that don't make it to XB and the fact that we are seeing timed deals or games just skipping XB in general based on the install base shows its hard to understand why a fan of those titles would also buy a platform that is getting them years late, if at all.
More power you man, but no way am I fucking missing FFVII remake part 2 or FFXVI and out here waiting years for some shit. I like JRPGs enough to buy Nintendo and PS systems by default as not to miss them or have to fucking pray they appear on a platform I own. Its a very, very valid point. Especially in light of FFXVI.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Look, I don't disagree with you, but I wouldn't be shocked that if KH4 follows FFXVI route with some timed deal. They just don't move that much units on XB for Square and I think if anything they are fucking hoping Sony comes knocking with some deal.
With KH3, XB only accounted for 18% of sales
UK Sales Charts: Kingdom Hearts 3 Dominates on PS4
Sony's system accounts for 82 per cent of sales
I don't doubt KH sells more on PS compared to Xbox, but that link is the dreaded UK physical boxed only charts and we've seen many examples that Xbox tends to favor digital sales in the UK over whelmingly (Elden Ring is 80~ % digital on Xbox if I'm not mistaken). Besides, KH3 (and both 1.5 and 2.5 for that matter) were on Game Pass for a year each as well, so Square has no issue doing business with MS.
The only thing that will prevent Kh4 from launching on Xbox, at the same time at least, is a straight up timed exclusivity money-hat from Sony, ala Forspoken and FF16.
EDMIX
Member
If its doing so well, why take any money in the first place for a timed deal?
So I think its not doing that great and they are open to those deals BECAUSE its only a small percentage and what Sony might be offering might make more sense for them. Those begging for that content on XB have waited long enough, that they'll wait the year anyway. If they didn't buy those IP day 1, it might not matter to Square WHEN it comes out on a lessor install base. So them being open to that in the first place tells me Square isn't betting the farm on XB or something lol, they are open to those deals cause they know XB will just account for 18% or less.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't think there's any other reason other than business deals, money exchanging hands, why games like Forspoken and FF16 are timed PS5 exclusives. I doubt Square is just putting out those two on one console only for any other reason.
EDMIX
Member
I don't disagree with you, but this business deal sounds attractive to Square for a reason.... if they were going to make more money on XB vs the timed deal, then they wouldn't even do anything like this, but they are because what they are getting from XB is likely low enough, that the timed deal makes better sense for them.
As....well XB gamers will buy it that want it, as the few that do want it waited anyway. So to Square, it doesn't matter if they are getting it day 1 or day 365, it was likely always going to be a low number.
We are seeing that even day and date, its still lower then PS, which means even if they just port it a year or 2 years later, I doubt it would make a massive difference. So yes its about money overall, but clearly its about the money XB isn't bringing in for Square compared to Sony, as to why that deal happens so often with Sony and Square in the first place.
well, they got most of the FF games, also KH, and now they have P4G, P3 and P5 Royal.
I'm good.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If all 3 of the modern Persona games can come to Xbox, any Japanese game can come to Xbox lol.
Persona was, for a long time, the ultimate litmus test of Japanese content on Xbox. We've broached that too finally.
edit: that being said, it is looking more and more like FFVII has been locked down tight by Sony, this E3 was probably the last big venue for MS to announce it coming to Xbox.
If they announce it in passing in the upcoming FFVII celebration stream, that'll just be like a wet fart after a dump.
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EDMIX
Member
sure after 16 years....
How many fans of those games do you think wait 16 years to play games?
So its likely a very small number. Coming to the platform doesn't mean they will continue. That is solely based on how those games actually perform in terms of sales.
its not a charity, its a business. If you understand why some deal might take place, I think you can understand that those games continuing to come are also factored with business man. Sega taking a risk, doesn't mean they'll continue to do so. They want to see that they can move units, if they can't...you'll likely see them move on, but we saw that even with the very first XB.
Capcom ported Onimusha 1, then stopped with 1.
Konami with MGS2, then stopped.
Such a thing simply means they don't have a deep install base of fans of those types of games, thus they need to wait fucking 16 years to play a few titles, the fans of those series are not waiting 16 years or waiting for MGS3 port for years etc. The fans of those types of games simply don't buy XB by default, thus I can see how the install base for those types of games is low on XB and why Square still does those deals. I don't think it even matters at this point how many of those old games come, the gamers who already played those games decades ago already play else where anyway. Its great for those on XB who love those types of games btw, but I don't think that number is that high as I just don't know any hardcore fans of an IP waiting 7 years for 1 game, vs fucking buy another system., 16 years for a whole series of games...none of that sounds like a fan of those titles.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
To be fair those are for the original Xbox, which never really took off in sales or for generating revenue for publishers in the first place.
At the very least now most companies have the big comfy game pass check as a fall back, while also having full retail autonomy if they choose.
Games like Elden Ring, which come from creators and franchises extremely heavily associated with Sony, still sell more on PS, but 'not by a wide margin' per sources like NPD. So, we're a far cry from games not selling on Xbox. In UK, the place we get the most data from, the sales split was 32% to 29% in the launch weeks. That's not bad at all.
Elden Ring sales data highlights its mind-boggling success | Digital Trends
Elden Ring sold more than 2.5x as many copies as Horizon: Forbidden West during its launch.
www.digitaltrends.com
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Rea
Member
LoL, they will praise lord phill for bringing to gamepass.
crunchyBiscuits
Member
So they put it on PC and Xbox with MS funding but that isn't a moneyhat?
I'm a bit confused at the distinction between this and what Sony does with their timed exclusives
Swipeyowifelike
Member
Surprised by the introduction to a 25vyear old game? Of I'm honest, you should probably try and figure out what your buying. If you did that, there would be nothing to ruin.
EDMIX
Member
ok....soooooooo are you now getting why they might take 7 years, 16 years etc before bringing titles over? Its not just the original XB btw.
If something doesn't take off...they will move on. So getting Persona isn't is it, keeping it is, based on positive sales of course. Regardless, most who love those types of games have no reason to buy XB and wait hoping for something to take off, they can just buy a Nintendo and PS and enjoy them.
Have a good one.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Newsflash dude. It's a remake of a 25 year old game, which I played and beat multiple times. The orignal did not feel so linear, at least from my memory. That's why I asked a question.
I guess I should have expected snarky remarks from people defending it like I told them to their face their girlfriend is a solid 5.5 in pitch black darkness. Chill out. I'm just pointing out that the exploration feels close to Final Fantasy XIII at first glance. Obviously with an expected quality boost due to it's more recent release.
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