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Why don't people who hate 30fps get a PC already

TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Let's face it Rootif is good for business, thats why he gets a free pass to make the same stupid comment pretty much in every single pc thread. Proof this thread - just look at al the replies.
I was going to ignore him, but the comedy levels are too much for me to miss on them.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I'm correct. Your post was a big pile of shit. My 8-year-old plays on my pc more than her switch. If she can do it so can you.
Your 8 old PLAYS on your PC?! Wow. Lemme guess, she also built it, updates the drivers, troubleshoots when there is issues?! I'm also totally sure she figured out how to run games without ANY help from you whatsoever?
Right....

Take the L and move on.

Fun fact: I've been building PC's since 1997. :)
 
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TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Your 8 old PLAYS on your PC?! Wow. Lemme guess, she also built it, updates the drivers, troubleshoots when there is issues?! I'm also totally sure she figured out how to run games without ANY help from you whatsoever?
Right....

Take the L and move on.

Fun fact: I've been building PC's since 1997. :)
I was doing all that shit at 12y/o. It's much easier nowadays so I don't see why she couldn't.

Kids learn much faster than adults.
 

nkarafo

Member
Fun fact: I've been building PC's since 1997. :)

And what's your issue?

I've been building PCs since 2002. And i have no issues whatsoever with them. I know how to keep the OS clean for the best performance possible, the hardware cool and noiseless and read instructions in case i need to troubleshoot something that i can't figure out for myself. Which is rare.

Don't you also?
 
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OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
Your 8 old PLAYS on your PC?! Wow. Lemme guess, she also built it, updates the drivers, troubleshoots when there is issues?! I'm also totally sure she figured out how to run games without ANY help from you whatsoever?
Right....

Take the L and move on.

Fun fact: I've been building PC's since 1997. :)
What L is there to take? You must have the worst luck ever with pcs. I've had one component in the 25 years I've been pc gaming crap out. How hard do you find it to update drivers? It's a few clicks for me. Do you have some sort of more difficult process leftover from the 90s you still use? I really don't understand how you find it so difficult. What problems have you had with games lately?
 

Kssio_Aug

Member
I mean, if you literally HATE 30fps, then I definitely agree... you should be playing on PC, or you will be missing a lot of things sooner or later.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
What L is there to take? You must have the worst luck ever with pcs. I've had one component in the 25 years I've been pc gaming crap out. How hard do you find it to update drivers? It's a few clicks for me. Do you have some sort of more difficult process leftover from the 90s you still use? I really don't understand how you find it so difficult. What problems have you had with games lately?
I love how you assume that it is me, who has the issues. My PCs have largely been rock solid. I'm the OG of PC building. I've seen other people have issues and I also see how much money ripoff services like Geeksquad.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
It's more than good enough.

"Just a case" can cost as low as 20 bucks. That's the price for generic cases.

Mine was 50$. It's not the fanciest but misses nothing. It has good airflow, 2 big, noiseless fans that i never had to replace in 7 years of operation, good cable management and the old style of mounting HDDs (which is the best because i have a lot of them, 5 HDDs and 2 SSDs).

It's so good and sleek looking (fully black without any distractions, doors, weird edgy fins, etc) that i'm thinking of using it on my next build. Which i really hope it ends up being as cool and noiseless as my current one.

Honestly, i have seen much more expensive cases that are completely shit to me. I especially hate the HDD mount systems most fancy cases have. Very annoying, lots of plastics and moving parts and don't have enough space to mount more than a couple of HDDs. I don't need a flappy mounting HDD case inside my case ffs!
What case is that? I will judge myself.
I don’t care for hdd trays. I dont use hdds anymore for years.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
I was going to ignore him, but the comedy levels are too much for me to miss on them.
What did I say that’s so controversial or stupid? I didn’t lie about anything.
Maybe you people have problem facing the truth as opposed to your imagination
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Your 8 old PLAYS on your PC?! Wow. Lemme guess, she also built it, updates the drivers, troubleshoots when there is issues?! I'm also totally sure she figured out how to run games without ANY help from you whatsoever?
Right....

Take the L and move on.

Fun fact: I've been building PC's since 1997. :)
And still don't know that drivers have auto updates.
 

nkarafo

Member
What case is that? I will judge myself.
I don’t care for hdd trays. I dont use hdds anymore for years.
Don't remember the brand now, it's been years. It had some stickers that i never used. I just like the black, featureless look.

I think it had a shield for a logo and the name was armor something. Who knows.

Don't need anyone else to judge, i know it's the best case i personally ever used. And i used a lot of them less or more expensive since i build PCs for others than myself.

I do use HDDs though. I have around 12TBs in total. And just as many outside the case for backup. There are decades of music, movies, games, roms, isos, programs, jobs, etc, in those HDDs. See, the PC is the ultimate tool for me. I do everything with it, not just games. I make use of it fully. Worth every single penny i ever spent on it and then some.
 
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yamaci17

Member
And still don't know that drivers have auto updates.
yeah some people still use "driver update" programs. man, 2010s were dark times for PCs. regedit cleaners, stuff like cccleaner that does random stuff that mostly breaks PCs, and many more.

its all over now, all modern hardware is perfectly capable of handshaking with modern mobos and OSes that everything is transparent, aside from weird quirks

i dont remember the last time i manually downloaded a driver ASIDE from downloading NVIDIA drivers (bcoz i dislike geforce experience bloat)

you dont even need "antivirus" software anymore unless you visit sketchy sites frequently. even then, defender will most likely cover it
 
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JackSparr0w

Banned
The only thing retarded here is your lack of basic understanding here.
I’ve posted my pcpartpicker list many times. 2k usd was perfectly normal price for it. Even more.
Then, what’s so controversial I post?
Is 2k not more than 400 bucks? Am I missing something?
Sure games look better on pc but the degree to what they do is debatable at best. And consoles got some wins over pc too aside from price.

I might be a dumb ass for spending too much money on pc but why not? I like having good pc and I use it every day. Not as much as I should for this much money but so what? I can game on both systems perfectly fine and it seems I am the only one not having any problem with that.

Especially idiots pulling my tongue for 2k usd price. Really? That is not much for a top of the line pc. Maybe it would be in 2012.

Gpu 700
CPU 300
Cooling 70
Case 200
2 nvme (only pcie3.0 at the time) 300
X570 (sinc b450 didn’t work well) 200
Ram 150
Be quiet fans total 70
Psu 150

What am I missing?
Mouse 150
Keyboard 150

Not counting monitor or speakers and headphones because cmon.
I also got some rgb and stuff afterwards since nobody want to spend a lot of money and hide it under the desk. I love my pc!!!

And all of these stuff is not top of the top.
Cheapest fucking aorus elite x570 mobo.
Cheapest 3080fe for 700
Cheapest 3200mhz Hyperx ram
Only 3700x and nothing better
Air cooling. Not even water cooling.
Case is p600s from phanteks. Top of the line here.

So wtf is so impossible for my pc to cost over 2k usd in 2019 msrp?

I didn’t want to cheap out and built a good pc. Sue me. Wtf
You forgot to add $2500000 for the house to put your console in. A PC at $2000 is a bargain in comparison.
 

nkarafo

Member
Personally, i never auto-update the Nvidia drivers. I have made sure the OS don't touch them anymore.

Edit: Also jesus christ at the above quote... a 150$ mouse and 150$ Keyboard? And i thought the 200$ case was bad.

rofif rofif

There is a difference trying to get the best things you can buy, price be damned and actually saying that these kinds of expensive parts are needed, in order to make PCs appear way more expensive than needed in the context of the thread.
 
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yamaci17

Member
Personally, i never auto-update the Nvidia drivers. I have made sure the OS don't touch them anymore.

Edit: Also jesus christ at the above quote... a 150$ mouse and 150$ Keyboard? And i thought the 200$ case was bad.
eh, OS will never bother updating NV drivers, aside from initially installing a random driver that they deem most stable (that's a smart approach btw. that driver is usually tough as nails. they specifically select a driver with minimum bug report/crash reports. its a very smart approach. tho it might put you to drivers from 470 lines nowadays. there's nothing wrong with it)

i just checked my g305 mouse which satisfy all my needs and seem to cost a mere 35 bucks. its a very solid decent mouse tho. dont know what 150 bucks mouse would provide over it tho
 

MikeM

Member
Personally, i never auto-update the Nvidia drivers. I have made sure the OS don't touch them anymore.

Edit: Also jesus christ at the above quote... a 150$ mouse and 150$ Keyboard? And i thought the 200$ case was bad.

rofif rofif

There is a difference trying to get the best things you can buy, price be damned and actually saying that these kinds of expensive parts are needed, in order to make PCs appear way more expensive than needed in the context of the thread.
I just bought a Razer BlackwidowV3 for my Series X to match my Razer gaming mouse. Good keyboards aren’t cheap, but I get your argument.
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Personally, i never auto-update the Nvidia drivers. I have made sure the OS don't touch them anymore.

Edit: Also jesus christ at the above quote... a 150$ mouse and 150$ Keyboard? And i thought the 200$ case was bad.

rofif rofif

There is a difference trying to get the best things you can buy, price be damned and actually saying that these kinds of expensive parts are needed, in order to make PCs appear way more expensive than needed in the context of the thread.
I didn't see any downside using GF Experience.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Personally, i never auto-update the Nvidia drivers. I have made sure the OS don't touch them anymore.

Edit: Also jesus christ at the above quote... a 150$ mouse and 150$ Keyboard? And i thought the 200$ case was bad.

rofif rofif

There is a difference trying to get the best things you can buy, price be damned and actually saying that these kinds of expensive parts are needed, in order to make PCs appear way more expensive than needed in the context of the thread.
I didn't include these in the main counter.
150$ mouse is razer viper ultimate. Logitech counterparts are just as expensive.
150$ keyboard is just what it is... every mech keyboard is this price. This is razer huntsman v2 mini linear. Nothing special.
50$ mouse is what I usually expect to my friends. G305 wireless that is I think.
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
I love how you assume that it is me, who has the issues. My PCs have largely been rock solid. I'm the OG of PC building. I've seen other people have issues and I also see how much money ripoff services like Geeksquad.
Sure Jan GIF
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
only 2080gpu cost 600$
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-2080-rtx-2080-ventus-8g/p/N82E16814137526?Description=rtx 2080 price&cm_re=rtx_2080 price-_-14-137-526-_-Product&quicklink=true

I think I don't need to past other parts price ......
Gaming PC with equivalent spec to PS5 or Series X will cost you 1500$
Now you do the math. Will you pay 1000$ more to play same game with same spec ?
But people here wll say you can build pc from trash parts.
Then they forget you need PSU, RAM, Nvme drives... or will say... modular psu? LUXURY! NVME drive?! Who needs that, ssd is more than enough...
you will not win here. These people are not listening.
For them, pc is somehow cheaper than ps5 and laying in the street for everyone to pick up
 
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nkarafo

Member
Good keyboards aren’t cheap, but I get your argument.
I also get how good keyboards may have a better feel and more satisfying clicking sounds. And more useful shortcut keys, etc.

But they also break more easily, especially all these overly complex mice. I prefer more simpler, sturdier designs that can take a lot of abuse.
 
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rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
only 2080gpu cost 600$
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-2080-rtx-2080-ventus-8g/p/N82E16814137526?Description=rtx 2080 price&cm_re=rtx_2080 price-_-14-137-526-_-Product&quicklink=true

I think I don't need to past other parts price ......
Gaming PC with equivalent spec to PS5 or Series X will cost you 1500$
Now you do the math. Will you pay 1000$ more to play same game with same spec ?
Never. But I would pay 1000 more to play all the gaming library in all its full quality.
 
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rofif

Can’t Git Gud
I also get how good keyboards may have a better feel and more satisfying kicking sounds. And more useful shortcut keys, etc.

But they also break more easily, especially all these overly complex mice. I prefer more simpler, sturdier designs that can take a lot of abuse.
No. They don't break more easily.
And not, they are not necessarily less sturdy or complex.
there is nothing simpler than viper ultimate mouse... it's barebones but very good performing wireless mouse.

To be honest with you - I hate that this stuff is so expensive now. But I just like more these more expensive mice.
For keyboards, I would happily get a membrane keyboard again like logitech g11. They just dont make them like they used too. I like the 60% keyboards nowadays for desk saving
 

DragonNCM

Member
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Never. But I would pay 1000 more to play all the gaming library in all its full quality.
You can do that now on consoles also (if you have games from OG Xbox era) & you can install emulatos to play all retro console games.
For 1000$ less
 
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Reizo Ryuu

Member
its all over now, all modern hardware is perfectly capable of handshaking with modern mobos and OSes that everything is transparent, aside from weird quirks
I swapped out a vega for a 6700xt and no updates were required because of the unified driver model; it was literally plug and play, even adding an SSD was more work since you need to create the local volumes in disk management.
 
Because the console I already have is more than capable of running 60 fps…every current gen only game I’ve played has been 60 fps.
 
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nkarafo

Member
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You can do that now on consoles also (if you have games from OG Xbox era) & you can install emulatos to play all retro console games.
For 1000$ less

Yeah... Let's not go there.

Even with RetroArch and all it's cores (which isn't all the cores, but let's pretend you can use all of them), you are still going to be tasting less than 20% of what's available on PC.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Never. But I would pay 1000 more to play all the gaming library in all its full quality.
You can play your old library on your old pc... nobody is taking it away.
Just because you once owned an old game, does not mean you now have to keep buying pc's for eternity to not loose access to it.
And no... you will not play "all gaming library" anyway.
Oh and you need to have that library first... and that library will be steam... and that library will be changed, removed or morphed with years thanks to digital future.
But that's another topic.
 
I don't understand the notion of "when cross-gen period ends console games will inevitably drop to 30fps". Why? Unlike last gen where the CPU was so bad to make 60fps not really feasible, this time around the specs are much more balanced. Target framerate is much as a design choice as target resolution. A developer can easily choose to design their game for 60fps while balancing resolution and other graphical feature sets. Based on a number of polls that ran on this site, it seems that people are coming around to the benefits of 60fps (or at least have recognised that 30fps is suboptimal). Instead of pushing a few more clumps of bushes or a slightly higher shadow resolution, balance that out with the far greater responsiveness and visual clarity of 60fps. The updated HFW is a prime example of this. Not saying to cut a 30fps options out altogether, but 60fps option should always be included.
 
I also get how good keyboards may have a better feel and more satisfying kicking sounds. And more useful shortcut keys, etc.

But they also break more easily, especially all these overly complex mice. I prefer more simpler, sturdier designs that can take a lot of abuse.
How can a mouse cost 150?? Deathadder v2 as example is $38 and even that comes with the very best optical sensor there is.
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
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You can do that now on consoles also (if you have games from OG Xbox era) & you can install emulatos to play all retro console games.
For 1000$ less
Rly? What console let me play all the pc library + emulators up to RCPS3 and Yuzu with whatever resolution, frame rate, input lag, controller, FoV, graphic settings, mod I choose for 1000$ less? I will buy 2 right now.
 
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nkarafo

Member
Oh and you need to have that library first... and that library will be steam... and that library will be changed, removed or morphed with years thanks to digital future.

You can easily backup the game files and keep cracks for every game in case of an Alien invasion.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I don't understand the notion of "when cross-gen period ends console games will inevitably drop to 30fps". Why? Unlike last gen where the CPU was so bad to make 60fps not really feasible, this time around the specs are much more balanced. Target framerate is much as a design choice as target resolution. A developer can easily choose to design their game for 60fps while balancing resolution and other graphical feature sets. Based on a number of polls that ran on this site, it seems that people are coming around to the benefits of 60fps (or at least have recognised that 30fps is suboptimal). Instead of pushing a few more clumps of bushes or a slightly higher shadow resolution, balance that out with the far greater responsiveness and visual clarity of 60fps. The updated HFW is a prime example of this. Not saying to cut a 30fps options out altogether, but 60fps option should always be included.
This I agree with. Last gen, the excuse of a weak CPU was a valid one. I honestly would love for MS/Sony to release stats of whether gamers choose performance or fidelity modes.
As of right now, I won't buy a game that is limited to 30 fps on console. 30 fps is dead to me.

40 fps is massively better than 30 fps. You wouldn't think so, but it is!
 

Darius87

Member
I didn't include these in the main counter.
150$ mouse is razer viper ultimate. Logitech counterparts are just as expensive.
150$ keyboard is just what it is... every mech keyboard is this price. This is razer huntsman v2 mini linear. Nothing special.
50$ mouse is what I usually expect to my friends. G305 wireless that is I think.
you forgot to add windows and antivirus
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You can play your old library on your old pc... nobody is taking it away.
Just because you once owned an old game, does not mean you now have to keep buying pc's for eternity to not loose access to it.
And no... you will not play "all gaming library" anyway.
Oh and you need to have that library first... and that library will be steam... and that library will be changed, removed or morphed with years thanks to digital future.
But that's another topic.
My old pc doesn't give the same resolution, performance.

Funny you assume that Steam is the only source of my purchased game if they remove, change of morph.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
How can a mouse cost 150?? Deathadder v2 as example is $38 and even that comes with the very best optical sensor there is.
are you joking?!
I want wireless good device. Just like Dualsense or xbox controllers are INCLUDED in the box. top tier.
G pro x superlight -140 $
Viper v2 Pro wireless -150 $
Tons of examples and these are considered great products even for that price.

Usually good wireless mice are around 100$
 

nkarafo

Member
Rly? What console let me play all the pc library + emulators up to RCPS3 and Yuzu with whatever resolution, frame rate, input lag, controller, FoV, graphic settings, mod I choose for 1000$ less? I will buy 2 right now.
None.

It's just that the XBOX consoles can now run RetroArch, with a limited set of cores. Which makes the XBOX Series S a very good/capable emulator machine for the price.

It's better than a RetroPie or an Androif Phone. But it's still a far cry from what you can do on PC.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
you forgot to add windows and antivirus
I didn;t. I upgraded to 10 and 11 from 7.
Antivirus is included. You should know that.

But TO BE FAIR. This should be included in the price. Barebones pc requires windows.... Console comes with everything you need.
But windows is 5$ for a key, so it's not a problem
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Dualsense gamepad top tier :pie_roffles: Now I'm certain you're just a clueless troll.
It is fantastic. Good ergonomics, button/analog feel and innovative haptics.
And it has built in wireless DAC so you can plug your headphones in. Yes, it works on pc too.
The only thing not top tier about it is battery life.
Stop trolling
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
You can easily backup the game files and keep cracks for every game in case of an Alien invasion.
that's a cop out and not a real solution.
You are forced to do that and you will never do that in reality.
Nobody downloads their steam libraries to huge hdd and all the "cracks" if these are even available. That's not why I pay for games to worry about that.
Keep in mind, I have a huge steam library and I hate what is happening to some of the games.
I dont like digital future
 

Shifty1897

Member
I think a favor performance mode should be a standard option going forward for consoles, and in a lot of cases it already is, no PC needed.
 
This I agree with. Last gen, the excuse of a weak CPU was a valid one. I honestly would love for MS/Sony to release stats of whether gamers choose performance or fidelity modes.
As of right now, I won't buy a game that is limited to 30 fps on console. 30 fps is dead to me.

40 fps is massively better than 30 fps. You wouldn't think so, but it is!
I would hazard a guess that most "casual" gamers played on whatever mode the game defaulted to. More enthusiast crowds such a people here would have chosen the performance mode, based on the poll results of threads centering on 30 Vs 60.

I agree 40fps is much better than 30. The only downside is it really only works on 120hz TVs, the penetration of which is rather low still.
 

nkarafo

Member
It's so cute how console warriors try to inflate the PC price more and more with each post.

Windows? Antivirus? Really now, Antivirus? Man, i do remember Norton back in 1994 costing some money.

What's next? The mouse pad? HDMI/Display port cables? Batteries for the wireless mouse/keyboard? Speakers? Most monitors don't have sound so we have to add those, right?

Keep in mind, I have a huge steam library and I hate what is happening to some of the games.
I dont like digital future

Well, i agree.

There's always GoG though.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
It's so cute how console warriors try to inflate the PC price more and more with each post.

Windows? Antivirus? Really now, Antivirus? Man, i do remember Norton back in 1994 costing some money.

What's next? The mouse pad? HDMI/Display port cables? Batteries for the wireless mouse/keyboard? Speakers? Most monitors don't have sound so we have to add those, right?



Well, i agree.

There's always GoG though.
That's not true. Console warriors are not inflating cost of pc. It's only the trolls here.
They troll me.
I didn't include cost of windows in my "prove" that my pc was over 2k usd
 
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