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Why don't people who hate 30fps get a PC already

64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
Let's do some basic math here.

The PS5 can be had for $400. Your system is $1200. The PS5 costs literally 1/3 the cost of your system. Most people would consider $400 to be significantly cheaper than $1200.

I didn't think anyone would top the "PC building is so easy a toddler could do it" But yours managed to do it.

Congrats.
You could buy 3 ps5 DE at that price.
please show me where you can get a PS5 for less than 700 dollars
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I would hazard a guess that most "casual" gamers played on whatever mode the game defaulted to. More enthusiast crowds such a people here would have chosen the performance mode, based on the poll results of threads centering on 30 Vs 60.

I agree 40fps is much better than 30. The only downside is it really only works on 120hz TVs, the penetration of which is rather low still.
Correct. Since 40 fps works by taking each frame 3X on a 120 Hz display, I wonder if it would appear more smooth if each of those 3 frames only drew 1/3 of the screen in an upwards motion.

Supposedly, that is the big motion tech coming, where the screen refreshes at 960Hz in 60 fps content where each refresh draws 1/16th of the image to approximate how CRTs displayed images. Anyone know anything about this?
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
please show me where you can get a PS5 for less than 700 dollars
The shortages are coming to an end. Nobody is paying that much for a PS5 anymore. They will be at $400 - $500 before too much longer.

On top of that the XSS is readily available at its $300 MSRP with the XSX being somewhat less available, but still findable with some effort.
 

H . R . 2

Member
Oh I am. Just waiting for the next batch of GPUs.

In saying that, if the consoles have the power to output 60/120 well, why not provide the option? Why be limited? Consumers should demand choice.
this argument is not valid. if devs know in advance that they are not going to have to deliver 4K/60fps they will decide to push the hardware to its limits through better physics, animations, post-processing,etc. which results in a far better visual presentation than just improved fps. I blame Series S and cross-gen policies for this. and also the wrong expectations that some people have. Personally, I don't mind singleplayer games that are capped at 30fps but succeed in showcasing the power of the new consoles. The Order 1886, arguably the most visually striking SP title on PS4 would never be possible without some sacrifices, including the 30fps cap [ which was silky smooth]. the harsh truth is that such level of visual fidelity and realism can never be achieved if we limit the hardware power to FPS/Resolution boosts. but studios now come under fire for dropping the FPS or resolution so they resort to downgrades. SEE: AC games after Unity. The Division 2. NFSs after NFS2015. CODMW2[2023] Vs. CODMW2019

let SP devs dream bigger. don't limit them to such frivolous things as FPS
 
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TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
If consoles don't manage to keep the 60fps during all of the rest of the gen the this thread is going to age real bad. :goog_relieved:

Not saying they won't ofc, but it will be interesting to see for sure.
 
are you joking?!
I want wireless good device. Just like Dualsense or xbox controllers are INCLUDED in the box. top tier.
G pro x superlight -140 $
Viper v2 Pro wireless -150 $
Tons of examples and these are considered great products even for that price.

Usually good wireless mice are around 100$
It's like the definition of not so bright choice. That Viper v2 even has same ergonomics, plus the needless worry about when you'll need to plug in to charge it which is a definite negative. Literally 100 down the drain.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
It's like the definition of not so bright choice. That Viper v2 even has same ergonomics, plus the needless worry about when you'll need to plug in to charge it which is a definite negative. Literally 100 down the drain.
There is no worry. The battery lasts 4-5 days and it has a dock.. I just put it on the dock when the dock tells me to. It's rgb color indicates battery life.
It's very light, comfortable, got great sensor, buttons and so on.
I wanted a wireless mouse to fit 1-3-1 grip without a buttons above and below scroll wheel since I rest my finger there.
 
It is fantastic. Good ergonomics, button/analog feel and innovative haptics.
And it has built in wireless DAC so you can plug your headphones in. Yes, it works on pc too.
The only thing not top tier about it is battery life.
Stop trolling
Yet doesn't compare to top gamepads in key areas such as being prone to drift [they use same sticks as DS4 afterall], centering, button press distance etc etc. Run of the mill cheap pad thats all.
 

PhaseJump

Banned
Why are you assholes arguing about the price/performance and whether or not the scarcity is a factor for consoles or PCs?

PCs will cost more. They will perform better. The overlap of features and easy to use functionality is there, if you want it. Anybody bitching about 30fps should get a PC or go fuck themselves, as this thread title suggests. There is no justification for consoles aside from exclusives, or being embedded in the ecosystem already with old game libraries, or friends lists. Either way, more choice and freedom is better. All console devs should switch to PC on the side, or outright start selling a turnkey PC platform. AMD and Nvidia are where the real fight is happening. AMD are the ones who carried the flag for the last gen console shitheads with getting support backported to the older GPU architectures they ran on, so again; Fuck yourselves, console warriors. If buying a low cost entry point to a limited ecosystem is enough for you, that's great. PC is both the step up and the step down dependent on what you want to put into it.
 
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rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Yet doesn't compare to top gamepads in key areas such as being prone to drift [they use same sticks as DS4 afterall], centering, button press distance etc etc. Run of the mill cheap pad thats all.
I don't agree.
I never had drift on ds4 and on Dualsense yet.
The pad is very comfortable and high quality.
There is simple not a better pad out there. I also have Series 20th anniv pad and it's really nice. I don't like clicky buttons though
 

yamaci17

Member
That's not true. Console warriors are not inflating cost of pc. It's only the trolls here.
They troll me.
I didn't include cost of windows in my "prove" that my pc was over 2k usd
you too are a troll

. all your post history, your approach to discussions and all the things you've said factually proves that your only aim on this forum is to trigger, antagonize and troll people in bad faith, bad intentions and with actual malice.
 
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Roxkis_ii

Member
I read the thread title and Op as if you want proformance beyond what a console can provide, you should get a PC.

I think that is an agressable position to have.

Then I saw a post calling op a PC elitist and I'm wondering if I'm misunderstanding.
 
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rofif

Can’t Git Gud
you too are a troll

. all your post history, your approach to discussions and all the things you've said factually proves that your only aim on this forum is to trigger, antagonize and troll people with bad faith, bad intentions and with actual malice.
I am not a troll. I've not trolled once in my life.
It's only your lack of understanding that makes it seem so.... and you talk about facts. What factual inaccuracy or antagonization I permitted? fuck off.
What you said just now is actually terribly non factual. If anyone went through my post history, they would know that.
 
I don't agree.
I never had drift on ds4 and on Dualsense yet.
The pad is very comfortable and high quality.
There is simple not a better pad out there. I also have Series 20th anniv pad and it's really nice. I don't like clicky buttons though
"I don't agree" :pie_roffles:

Real tests show its low quality run of the mill pad when put against a good one.




Before "..but but it's good enaugh for my low standards."
 
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yamaci17

Member
I read the thread title and OS as if you want proformance beyond what a console can provide, you should get a PC.

I think that is an agressable position to have.

Then I saw a post calling op a PC elitist and I'm wondering if I'm misunderstanding.
usual derailers derailed the thread and made it seem like OP or any other person was downplaying consoles or anything where in reality it was not the case. all OP was trying to say that if a person prioritizes framerates so much to a point where they need to rant and talk about it on discussions, they should give PC a chance for their troubles
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
"I don't agree" :pie_roffles:

Real tests show its low quality run of the mill pad when put against a good one.


hahah oh man... what a joke.
I own 2 360 pads,
Series 20th anniv pad
2 steam pads,
and owned xbox one pads and ds4 pads.

The only one that ever developed a stick drift is one of my old 360 pads.
On Dualsense, the spring in right trigger broke loosening the tension. I replaced the spring. Sony would warranty it but I preferred to replace the spring myself. And they are now using different springs.
I am not going to watch that video. I know how dualsense feels and how good it is.
 

yamaci17

Member
I am not a troll. I've not trolled once in my life.
It's only your lack of understanding that makes it seem so.... and you talk about facts. What factual inaccuracy or antagonization I permitted? fuck off.
What you said just now is actually terribly non factual. If anyone went through my post history, they would know that.
the fact that saying this makes you get raged and angry, proves that you're indeed trolling with actual malice (whenever you're presented with hard facts: you will either say "f**k off" which is insanely rude and out of place whenever this happens. it maybe makes you think that you dodged actual facts by saying that, but you did not, by ignoring my posts (like you did in this topic and in many others), or saying "f*** off", you destroy your already destroyed credibility even further, to a point where nothing said by you can be taken serious by anyone who saw your posts in multiple posts

i don't even need to scour your profile, you practically spawn like a video game NPC whenever someone slightly says something positive about PCs or acts heretically by maybe suggestinc PC over a console. anyone who scours the usual PC related threads in this forum is already overexposed to you and your way repeated ramblings, which is at this point is very tiring, has been debunked many many times, yet you keep doing it

you may be a 34 year old, but seriously, you don't act like one. not that you have to, or you should, but definetely, your brain shuts itself whenever something positive about PCs are being told in any part of the forum. you cant see way past that, because of your clouded judgement, and will likely never will.
 
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My favorite thing about PC gaming was how my full screen game would minimize randomly because of some desktop notification, but it never showed up so I couldn't pin down what was calling for my attention. Also, I had all the do not distrub crap turned on while in full screen and it still happened... Super fun!
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
the fact that saying this makes you get raged and angry, proves that you're indeed trolling with actual malice (whenever you're presented with hard facts: you will either say "f**k off" which is insanely rude and out of place whenever this happens. it maybe makes you think that you dodged actual facts by saying that, but you did not, by ignoring my posts (like you did in this topic and in many others), or saying "f*** off", you destroy your already destroyed credibility even further, to a point where nothing said by you can be taken serious by anyone who saw your posts in multiple posts

i don't even need to scour your profile, you practically spawn like a video game NPC whenever someone slightly says something positive about PCs or acts heretically by maybe suggestinc PC over a console. anyone who scours the usual PC related threads in this forum is already overexposed to you and your way repeated ramblings, which is at this point is very tiring, has been debunked many many times, yet you keep doing it
I am raged and angry because I hate this forum because of users like You and others here who just troll me endlessly.
fucking endlessly any time I say anything about console. I cannot even fucking appreciate that it's a pretty good value and comparable graphics because then I HATE PC.
I don't even know who am I talking to. You elitists are one username to me. Maybe you are good guy, maybe not. I don't know anymore.

blahblah "your pc is not 2k usd"
blahblah "pc is better"
blahblah "pc is cheaper"
blahblah "you dont own a steam account or any games"
blahblah "30fps is trash"
bahblah "controller is terrible"
I get this every time I say ANYTHING good about a console. People downplay my pc experience or even me owning a fucking pc. I had the pc since 1997 and I always played on pc.
I own a fucking pc my entire life and I know everything there is to know about pc gaming ecosystem. I know it's raises, pitfalls and price value. It's strengths AND WEAKNESESS and yeS!!!!!
Just because I spend $$$$ on pc, does not mean I am blind to it's weaknesses. I am only seeing them because I care for it and I critique what I am DEEPLY INTERESTED into.

You people are fucking idiots and I hate your antagonizing guts for doing that. For ruining my day, my mood day and day again. last time I had had to prove I own a steam account, games on it and post pictures of my pc.
I cannot say anything positive about consoles. I cannot have my own opinion.
I cannot critique the pc of it's flaws which ARE REAL. Look how many of these steam deck addresses and fixes!!!!
The only language you take is sucking the pc cocks endlessly.
Take your fucking pc and eat it. Fucking choke on it, I don't care.
This is why I hate pc gaming. Because it's expensive, full of trolls that only see the end of their nose and have 0 empathy or understanding because they spent too much money.
So again - fuck off you fucks, I don't need this in my life.

TROLLS WON. Good bay, fucking ban me. I dont care anymore
 

PhaseJump

Banned
I am raged and angry because I hate this forum because of users like You and others here who just troll me endlessly.
fucking endlessly any time I say anything about console. I cannot even fucking appreciate that it's a pretty good value and comparable graphics because then I HATE PC.
I don't even know who am I talking to. You elitists are one username to me. Maybe you are good guy, maybe not. I don't know anymore.

blahblah "your pc is not 2k usd"
blahblah "pc is better"
blahblah "pc is cheaper"
blahblah "you dont own a steam account or any games"
blahblah "30fps is trash"
bahblah "controller is terrible"
I get this every time I say ANYTHING good about a console. People downplay my pc experience or even me owning a fucking pc. I had the pc since 1997 and I always played on pc.
I own a fucking pc my entire life and I know everything there is to know about pc gaming ecosystem. I know it's raises, pitfalls and price value. It's strengths AND WEAKNESESS and yeS!!!!!
Just because I spend $$$$ on pc, does not mean I am blind to it's weaknesses. I am only seeing them because I care for it and I critique what I am DEEPLY INTERESTED into.

You people are fucking idiots and I hate your antagonizing guts for doing that. For ruining my day, my mood day and day again. last time I had had to prove I own a steam account, games on it and post pictures of my pc.
I cannot say anything positive about consoles. I cannot have my own opinion.
I cannot critique the pc of it's flaws which ARE REAL. Look how many of these steam deck addresses and fixes!!!!
The only language you take is sucking the pc cocks endlessly.
Take your fucking pc and eat it. Fucking choke on it, I don't care.
This is why I hate pc gaming. Because it's expensive, full of trolls that only see the end of their nose and have 0 empathy or understanding because they spent too much money.
So again - fuck off you fucks, I don't need this in my life.

TROLLS WON. Good bay, fucking ban me. I dont care anymore

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OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
I am raged and angry because I hate this forum because of users like You and others here who just troll me endlessly.
fucking endlessly any time I say anything about console. I cannot even fucking appreciate that it's a pretty good value and comparable graphics because then I HATE PC.
I don't even know who am I talking to. You elitists are one username to me. Maybe you are good guy, maybe not. I don't know anymore.

blahblah "your pc is not 2k usd"
blahblah "pc is better"
blahblah "pc is cheaper"
blahblah "you dont own a steam account or any games"
blahblah "30fps is trash"
bahblah "controller is terrible"
I get this every time I say ANYTHING good about a console. People downplay my pc experience or even me owning a fucking pc. I had the pc since 1997 and I always played on pc.
I own a fucking pc my entire life and I know everything there is to know about pc gaming ecosystem. I know it's raises, pitfalls and price value. It's strengths AND WEAKNESESS and yeS!!!!!
Just because I spend $$$$ on pc, does not mean I am blind to it's weaknesses. I am only seeing them because I care for it and I critique what I am DEEPLY INTERESTED into.

You people are fucking idiots and I hate your antagonizing guts for doing that. For ruining my day, my mood day and day again. last time I had had to prove I own a steam account, games on it and post pictures of my pc.
I cannot say anything positive about consoles. I cannot have my own opinion.
I cannot critique the pc of it's flaws which ARE REAL. Look how many of these steam deck addresses and fixes!!!!
The only language you take is sucking the pc cocks endlessly.
Take your fucking pc and eat it. Fucking choke on it, I don't care.
This is why I hate pc gaming. Because it's expensive, full of trolls that only see the end of their nose and have 0 empathy or understanding because they spent too much money.
So again - fuck off you fucks, I don't need this in my life.

TROLLS WON. Good bay, fucking ban me. I dont care anymore
Woah now. I can vouch for you to these guys if that matters at all. I love your setup and have commented on it many times. I've even seen it posted on avsfourms and reddit lol. Don't let these people get you down.
 

64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
Not saying they won't ofc, but it will be interesting to see for sure.
To be fair, they probably still will have performance modes
but yeah what yamaci17 yamaci17 said was right. I was never making this post to hate on console gamers, i simply just think that if you're so fed up with lower framerates to the point you flood the forums with "30fps sucks" threads (that insult the people who are fine with 30fps i should mention), you may want to consider getting something more powerful
It was never supposed to be a console VS PC discussion but gaf derails like they always do
 
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TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
To be fair, they probably still will have performance modes
I think so, but how would they look compared to their fidelity modes is what I'd like to see.

but yeah what yamaci17 yamaci17 said was right. I was never making this post to hate on console gamers, i simply just think that if you're so fed up with lower framerates to the point you flood the forums with "30fps sucks" threads, you may want to consider getting something more powerful
It was never supposed to be a console VS PC discussion but gaf derails like they always do
I never got that impression either, at least from you. You can see many complaints here on GAF about "why devs don't patch my game to 60fps, where's my next-gen patch" that it makes you wonder if they don't know that there are already 60fps versions of 99% of games on PC.

I never saw it as warring of any kind but yeah, as soon as the usual suspects appeared spreading bullshit about gaming on PC, the PC bros had to step in and call on that bullshit. Sorry for your thread, we all can do better.
 

64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
I am raged and angry because I hate this forum because of users like You and others here who just troll me endlessly.
fucking endlessly any time I say anything about console. I cannot even fucking appreciate that it's a pretty good value and comparable graphics because then I HATE PC.
I don't even know who am I talking to. You elitists are one username to me. Maybe you are good guy, maybe not. I don't know anymore.

blahblah "your pc is not 2k usd"
blahblah "pc is better"
blahblah "pc is cheaper"
blahblah "you dont own a steam account or any games"
blahblah "30fps is trash"
bahblah "controller is terrible"
I get this every time I say ANYTHING good about a console. People downplay my pc experience or even me owning a fucking pc. I had the pc since 1997 and I always played on pc.
I own a fucking pc my entire life and I know everything there is to know about pc gaming ecosystem. I know it's raises, pitfalls and price value. It's strengths AND WEAKNESESS and yeS!!!!!
Just because I spend $$$$ on pc, does not mean I am blind to it's weaknesses. I am only seeing them because I care for it and I critique what I am DEEPLY INTERESTED into.

You people are fucking idiots and I hate your antagonizing guts for doing that. For ruining my day, my mood day and day again. last time I had had to prove I own a steam account, games on it and post pictures of my pc.
I cannot say anything positive about consoles. I cannot have my own opinion.
I cannot critique the pc of it's flaws which ARE REAL. Look how many of these steam deck addresses and fixes!!!!
The only language you take is sucking the pc cocks endlessly.
Take your fucking pc and eat it. Fucking choke on it, I don't care.
This is why I hate pc gaming. Because it's expensive, full of trolls that only see the end of their nose and have 0 empathy or understanding because they spent too much money.
So again - fuck off you fucks, I don't need this in my life.

TROLLS WON. Good bay, fucking ban me. I dont care anymore
Uh.... sorry for striking a nerve, dude
 

64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
I never saw it as warring of any kind but yeah, as soon as the usual suspects appeared spreading bullshit about gaming on PC, the PC bros had to step in and call on that bullshit. Sorry for your thread, we all can do better.
To be frank, it's kind of my fault for being vague and not prefacing my thread enough. I feel like if i was a bit more specific all of this extra bickering could really have been avoided
that being said this is probably the most active thread ive made so... yay?
 

64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
I think so, but how would they look compared to their fidelity modes is what I'd like to see.
Honestly i hope with Unreal 5 games are optimized enough to the point where we can easily just get away with 4k30, 1440p60, and 1080p120
either that or the 2nd paragraph of my first post which i'm annoyed people completely ignored for some reason :messenger_unamused:
 

yamaci17

Member
Honestly i hope with Unreal 5 games are optimized enough to the point where we can easily just get away with 4k30, 1440p60, and 1080p120
either that or the 2nd paragraph of my first post which i'm annoyed people completely ignored for some reason :messenger_unamused:
problem with unreal 5 is not the GPU but the CPU. resolution drop won't be a solution in this case

think of it like ps4 pro / one x. they run many games at 4k/1800p 30 FPS, and they actually have GPU juice to run said games at 1080p/60 FPS but their CPUs are limiting that big time. seems like the CPU problem will creep up again, with UE5 pushing boundaries with nanites, objects and stuff. currently, bottleneck is really the CPU, we shall see how things will turn out once it is more optimized though
 

TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
blahblah "your pc is not 2k usd"
blahblah "pc is better"
blahblah "pc is cheaper"
blahblah "you dont own a steam account or any games"
blahblah "30fps is trash"
bahblah "controller is terrible"
meanwhile...
But don't you want to spend 2 thousand dollars to have MUCH better graphics which you need to zoom in to see the difference ? :p
Bro, you talked bullshit and you got called on that bullshit. Don't start making it look like you are the victim.

If you aren't interested in PC gaming just ignore those threads man, you don't need to leave this place, there's still plenty of threads that you'd like, I'm sure.


Honestly i hope with Unreal 5 games are optimized enough to the point where we can easily just get away with 4k30, 1440p60, and 1080p120
either that or the 2nd paragraph of my first post which i'm annoyed people completely ignored for some reason :messenger_unamused:
1440p modes on consoles would be neat. I play some PC games at that resolution and it looks great while also not being a big performance hog.
 
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MikeM

Member
this argument is not valid. if devs know in advance that they are not going to have to deliver 4K/60fps they will decide to push the hardware to its limits through better physics, animations, post-processing,etc. which results in a far better visual presentation than just improved fps. I blame Series S and cross-gen policies for this. and also the wrong expectations that some people have. Personally, I don't mind singleplayer games that are capped at 30fps but succeed in showcasing the power of the new consoles. The Order 1886, arguably the most visually striking SP title on PS4 would never be possible without some sacrifices, including the 30fps cap [ which was silky smooth]. the harsh truth is that such level of visual fidelity and realism can never be achieved if we limit the hardware power to FPS/Resolution boosts. but studios now come under fire for dropping the FPS or resolution so they resort to downgrades. SEE: AC games after Unity. The Division 2. NFSs after NFS2015. CODMW2[2023] Vs. CODMW2019

let SP devs dream bigger. don't limit them to such frivolous things as FPS
“this argument is not valid.”

It is when we see graphic options currently and the foreseeable future.
 

Mithos

Member
My favorite thing about PC gaming was how my full screen game would minimize randomly because of some desktop notification, but it never showed up so I couldn't pin down what was calling for my attention. Also, I had all the do not distrub crap turned on while in full screen and it still happened... Super fun!
Yeah my PC did something similar just an hour ago... an achievement popped and windows decided yeah lets give control and focus to origin client instead of the game you are playing (forcing me to alt-tab back to the game). Windows gives focus to other software too much, have even n tried some anti focus switching hacks, but not really working.

It's a Windows 10 problem for me though never ever happened during XP or Win7 era (even though I've seen people having the same problem on those versions).
 

ChoosableOne

ChoosableAll
Maybe I can wait few years for PS exclusives but how am I suppose to play Kirby on Pc? And they should let people choose their FPS themselves. I think most of the Bloodborne players would prefer 720p 60fps mode(which is possible with an unofficial patch) over the original 30fps version.
 

64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
Yeah I know that emulators exist:messenger_moon: It doesn't look so smooth btw, something is off.
yeah, i emulated kirby and prepare for a LOT of stuttering even with the most high end of PCs. It's a game that has massive stuttering issues sadly
Mario 3d World is another game i tested though and it ran beautifully so its just on a game by game basis
 
Locked 60fps, rendered internally at 1080p~1440p using reconstruction to output a 4K image.

Unlocked framerate option and VRR support for those that want to go above 60fps and have the TV for it.

This way people can get a great experience even with older TVs and you don't end up with too many game modes or devs relying on people having VRR to make up for not being able to hit 60fps.

Native 4K has always been a massive misuse of resources and 30fps over 60fps is hardly ever going to be justifiable anymore.
 
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Dynasty8

Member
Out of curiosity.

What do you hate by using keyboard?

And why do you find handicapping your aim being justified by a left thumb stick?

It just feels smoother for me using a joystick for certain fps games that require fast movement...games like overwatch, destiny, and apex. For some reason I've never been able to find the "comfort zone" for keyboard movement. But I know I'm in the minority.


As for handicapping my aim...I don't feel that way. I end up performing on par or better than many of my PC friends (cross play) who are pretty good on their own. Everything just clicks better for some reason.
 
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