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Why don't people who hate 30fps get a PC already

First time I hear someones K/D increased moving to gamepad. Maybe you just learned the maps and got much better awareness resulting in improvement, but still it's unbelievable. What was your K/D before at least 3 and now higher?
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
First time I hear someones K/D increased moving to gamepad. Maybe you just learned the maps and got much better awareness resulting in improvement, but still it's unbelievable. What was your K/D before at least 3 and now higher?
Better "muscle memory" with controller and aim assists/semi aim bot helping/fooling. 🤷‍♂️
 

saintjules

Member
Oh I fucking HATE this level of arrogance and entitlement. PC jackasses think the world revolves around them.

OK, here is why people don't just "get a PC"
1. They're considerably more expensive than most. As of today a competent PC costs around $1000 to build. That is considerably more expensive than a $500 console OR a $300 XSS.
2. They're intimidating. Its easy for PC jackasses who have years of experience to run games effectively who know what they're doing, but someone who is a novice its not so clear cut and dry
3. People don't want to deal with things like driver updates/maintenance.
4. You know that when you put in a disc and/or download a game it will work and be playable (Cyberpunk on last gen is a rare exception). That reason alone drives people to consoles.
5. Troubleshooting is a PAIN in the ass. A PC is Great when it runs and works, but the second you get crashes, blue screens it can become a nightmare real quick and most solutions require more than just googling.


Realize the world doesn't revolve around you. A PC isn't very difficult to use, but there is a learning curve.


I'd like to add that there's still a good portion of games on PS that are still not even available on PC.

Like I said once before, imagine waiting for a game like Bloodborne as a PC port. Still waiting.
 
Better "muscle memory" with controller and aim assists/semi aim bot helping/fooling. 🤷‍♂️
Nah guys he wrote Apex legends does it have autohelp tracking too with the pad? I find it hard to believe that even an average player would perform better with sticks, sorry.
 
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64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
It just feels smoother for me using a joystick for certain fps games that require fast movement...games like overwatch, destiny, and apex. For some reason I've never been able to find the "comfort zone" for keyboard movement. But I know I'm in the minority.


As for handicapping my aim...I don't feel that way. I end up performing on par or better than many of my PC friends (cross play) who are pretty good on their own. Everything just clicks better for some reason.
 

LimanimaPT

Member
Maybe that's because a PC is 4x the cost of a console? Maybe because there are 10 different stores on a pc and you can't even share the games with your family members on the same pc (ridiculous) in some of those stores? Maybe that's because a console lasts for 8 years and a pc lasts 4 before you have to throw more money at it? Maybe it's better to play sitting on a couch in a 70 inch tv versus sitting on a desk in a 27 inch monitor?
 

ArtHands

Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
If they insist to stick to consoles for 30 and 60fps, and thinks PC can’t handle controller or connect to TV or have to upgrade every few years, let them be. Trying to talk sense with them is a waste of time, because they will never acknowledge their arguments are outdated and wrong
 
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i used to play on console a lot so my muscle memory is definitely more in favor of a controller, but i'm learning with keyboard!!!
Borderlands 2 is fun. Running around to the middle of the tons of enemies with a sniper rifle and then popping head one by one. Those physix still looks so nice.
 

yamaci17

Member
Maybe that's because a PC is 4x the cost of a console? Maybe because there are 10 different stores on a pc and you can't even share the games with your family members on the same pc (ridiculous) in some of those stores? Maybe that's because a console lasts for 8 years and a pc lasts 4 before you have to throw more money at it? Maybe it's better to play sitting on a couch in a 70 inch tv versus sitting on a desk in a 27 inch monitor?

1) A gtx 970/i5 4460 built cost nearly 2-2.3 times than a ps4 back in 2014
2) you can always put your loyalties in specific stores like some people do, like steam
3) the aforementioned 2 times costly gtx 970 build is nearly 8 years old, still kicks it, and still performs 1.6-1.8 above ps4, which is respectable, considering developers are not actively optimizing for it
4) completely personal preference, there's no universally accepted "better" thing to do. even then, you can still hook up your PC, undervolt it, make it quiet, and make it work in the end. bluetooth is a thing on PC too. (my dualsense on pc practically works like it is on consoles, it auto disconnects in 15 minutes, i press PS button down, and it connects again. seamless connection, practically, thanks to ds4windows' bluetooth implementation)
 
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PC are definitely about 3 times more expensive than a PS5 but I'm throwing 50 euro on a savings account every month so I can replace the prebuilt in a few years.
All in all gaming is a cheap hobby.
 

ParaSeoul

Member
120fps mode in HFW. Thread aged like milk in real time.
Great Gatsby Movie GIF by Sony
 

PhaseJump

Banned
Maybe that's because a PC is 4x the cost of a console? Maybe because there are 10 different stores on a pc and you can't even share the games with your family members on the same pc (ridiculous) in some of those stores? Maybe that's because a console lasts for 8 years and a pc lasts 4 before you have to throw more money at it? Maybe it's better to play sitting on a couch in a 70 inch tv versus sitting on a desk in a 27 inch monitor?

My Xbox and Playstation are hooked up to a 4K 27 inch monitor, I have a PC on every TV in my house.

I'm glad I'm not a creature from the retarded universe you must come from.
 
My Xbox and Playstation are hooked up to a 4K 27 inch monitor, I have a PC on every TV in my house.

I'm glad I'm not a creature from the retarded universe you must come from.
I have my PS5 and Mac Pro connected to my 4K 28 inch monitor as well. Best way to play and the PPI is insane.
 

nkarafo

Member
I'd like to add that there's still a good portion of games on PS that are still not even available on PC.

Like I said once before, imagine waiting for a game like Bloodborne as a PC port. Still waiting.

There's a good portion of PC games that are still not available on consoles.

What's your point?
 

nkarafo

Member
What do you hate by using keyboard?

And why do you find handicapping your aim being justified by a left thumb stick?

I would also like to answer that.

Personally i don't hate using keyboard/mouse. It's definitely the superior way, mechanically. In competitive multiplayer games, there's no substitute.

But what if you don't play multiplayer though?

See, the problem with Kb/mouse is that you are stuck on your desk chair, with the same posture. You are also using a lot of muscles, including your wrist.

With a gamepad you can relax on the couch/bed and only use the tiny muscles of your fingers. The gamepad is also less sensitive to low frame rate games, playing at 30/40fps is a nightmare with the mouse. Overall, it's far more relaxing. Sure, you can't reach your peak performance with it and you certainly can't play something complex like a strategy game, or WoW, or some twitch shooters, but for most single player and multiplatform games it's more than good enough.
 

TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I'd like to add that there's still a good portion of games on PS that are still not even available on PC.

Like I said once before, imagine waiting for a game like Bloodborne as a PC port. Still waiting.
Imagine still resorting to Bloodborne for this kind of conversations lol, the "one game" meme is real. :messenger_grinning_sweat:

And yeah I don't see the point of your post either. PS has it's exclusives, as do does PC, whats your point?
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I would also like to answer that.

Personally i don't hate using keyboard/mouse. It's definitely the superior way, mechanically. In competitive multiplayer games, there's no substitute.

But what if you don't play multiplayer though?

See, the problem with Kb/mouse is that you are stuck on your desk chair, with the same posture. You are also using a lot of muscles, including your wrist.

With a gamepad you can relax on the couch/bed and only use the tiny muscles of your fingers. The gamepad is also less sensitive to low frame rate games, playing at 30/40fps is a nightmare with the mouse. Overall, it's far more relaxing. Sure, you can't reach your peak performance with it and you certainly can't play something complex like a strategy game, or WoW, or some twitch shooters, but for most single player and multiplatform games it's more than good enough.
Am I? I playing laying down on a mattress on my living room. Keyboard on lap, mouse and mouse pad on a "board" on the side of mattress. On couch I could use a lapboard but mattress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couch.
 

manzo

Member
I don’t know. I’m playing Drakengard 3 on PS3 at the moment and people said it’s unplayable because of the framerate. Sure it dips but haven’t taken out of the enjoyment.

The only time I was mad because of the framerate was Shadow of the Colossus’ last boss on PS2. The game got so unresponsive because the framerate tanked to 5-7 fps at points. That’s the only time framerate has been an issue to me.

Thank god I’m not as sensitive as today’s zoomers. How on earth they would’ve enjoyed PC games in mid 90’s just before 3D accelerators came. I played Quake on a 120mhz Intel DX4 at about 10fps and had a fucking blast.
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I don’t know. I’m playing Drakengard 3 on PS3 at the moment and people said it’s unplayable because of the framerate. Sure it dips but haven’t taken out of the enjoyment.

The only time I was mad because of the framerate was Shadow of the Colossus’ last boss on PS2. The game got so unresponsive because the framerate tanked to 5-7 fps at points. That’s the only time framerate has been an issue to me.

Thank god I’m not as sensitive as today’s zoomers. How on earth they would’ve enjoyed PC games in mid 90’s just before 3D accelerators came. I played Quake on a 120mhz Intel DX4 at about 10fps and had a fucking blast.
Having much lower standards at the time.
 

KyoZz

Tag, you're it.
Comfy couch
I prefer gaming on my couch
I seriously never understood that complain. You know you can connect your PC to your TV right? And you can have wireless mouse and keyboard AND use your favorite controller (rather it is the Switch Pro, the Dualsense or the Xbox Series controller to play from your couch.
So what's the big deal here?

Amen brother. I would PIN this thread if I were a mod.

These 60fps nerds are killing gaming.
OH NO SOME FLUIDITY IN MY GAMES, THE HORROR!!!
Scared Saturday Night Live GIF by HULU
 

twerkouting

Banned
I wouldn't mind a gaming PC but the upfront cost is too much for me right now and gaming, for me, doesn't warrant that kind of financial attention nor do I really feel like making the actual playing of games a game, in and of itself. The 30 fps vs. 60 fps doesn't really affect me; I don't really notice it so the jump in frames isn't a huge improvement to me..

Sidebar: PC bros., what's your goal with all these superiority posts? All these things read like a boyfriend negging a girl into going out with him.

"Buy me, the PC"
"I'm not interested / no thanks / I like going out with Console Sam."
"lol idiot. Sam's a loser who can't dance like me. You're dumb for not prioritizing me and the things I bring to the table. What are you poor? How can you not be interested, you idiot?"
 

yamaci17

Member
Oh look, it’s another one of those threads where we seemingly ignore the QOL improvements a console brings.

PC’s are big, expensive and fiddly to use.

The appeal of consoles is obvious.
no one is ignoring those, OP simply says that if your desire for framerates are bigger than the QOL improvements consoles provide over PCs that also happens to be useful for you (for example, the supposed console QOL improvements have no effect or use on me, so I don't care about those), then you should behave accordingly to your priorities
 

yamaci17

Member
I wouldn't mind a gaming PC but the upfront cost is too much for me right now and gaming, for me, doesn't warrant that kind of financial attention nor do I really feel like making the actual playing of games a game, in and of itself. The 30 fps vs. 60 fps doesn't really affect me; I don't really notice it so the jump in frames isn't a huge improvement to me..

Sidebar: PC bros., what's your goal with all these superiority posts? All these things read like a boyfriend negging a girl into going out with him.

"Buy me, the PC"
"I'm not interested / no thanks / I like going out with Console Sam."
"lol idiot. Sam's a loser who can't dance like me. You're dumb for not prioritizing me and the things I bring to the table. What are you poor? How can you not be interested, you idiot?"
this thread is not even directed to you. i think this is the biggest problems you and many others in this thread have: reading comprehension, like many others.

this thread is DIRECTED at console users who desire/talk/want/request 60 FPS modes all the time. you clearly have no issue with 30 FPS modes, so you're not being called out with the OP's post.

this thread, and the original post, is about CONSOLE users WHO wants 30 fps modes GONE, which is clearly not you, therefore it is not even directed at you and many others in this thread.

he simply says that if you chose console for its advantages, you also have to bear with its disadvantages, but if you're going to peck at it all time on forums, then you may as well get a PC. have you peck at consoles for a specific game not having a 60 FPS? i dont think so. then why do you think that OP's post is directed at you, and answer accordingly?

he's not even hating 30 FPS modes, or wants them gone. he just says that those who have a BIG issue with potential 60 FPS modes being not existent on consoles in future, should behave accordingly.

i see those 30 fps vs 60 fps console discussions all the time between console users. this post owner probably had enough of it and wanted to vent out. its not even directed to many people who got offended in this thread. and those who should be offended are not even in this thread to begin with

let me repeat: he's not asking people to ABANDON consoles for them targeting 30 FPS. he has no issues with consoles, 30 Fps or any of it. his issue is with CONSOLE people who hate on 30 FPS, actually.
 
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rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I wouldn't mind a gaming PC but the upfront cost is too much for me right now and gaming, for me, doesn't warrant that kind of financial attention nor do I really feel like making the actual playing of games a game, in and of itself. The 30 fps vs. 60 fps doesn't really affect me; I don't really notice it so the jump in frames isn't a huge improvement to me..

Sidebar: PC bros., what's your goal with all these superiority posts? All these things read like a boyfriend negging a girl into going out with him.

"Buy me, the PC"
"I'm not interested / no thanks / I like going out with Console Sam."
"lol idiot. Sam's a loser who can't dance like me. You're dumb for not prioritizing me and the things I bring to the table. What are you poor? How can you not be interested, you idiot?"
"Buy me, the PC"
"I'm not interested / no thanks / I like going out with Console Sam."
"Your loss/You don't know what you are losing."

Ftfy.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
Thank god I’m not as sensitive as today’s zoomers. How on earth they would’ve enjoyed driving in mid 1890’s just before cars came? I rode my horse and buggy on a road at about 6mph and had a fucking blast.
 

twerkouting

Banned
this thread is not even directed to you. i think this is the biggest problems you and many others in this thread have: reading comprehension, like many others.

this thread is DIRECTED at console users who desire/talk/want/request 60 FPS modes all the time. you clearly have no issue with 30 FPS modes, so you're not being called out with the OP's post.

this thread, and the original post, is about CONSOLE users WHO wants 30 fps modes GONE, which is clearly not you, therefore it is not even directed at you and many others in this thread.

he simply says that if you chose console for its advantages, you also have to bear with its disadvantages, but if you're going to peck at it all time on forums, then you may as well get a PC. have you peck at consoles for a specific game not having a 60 FPS? i dont think so. then why do you think that OP's post is directed at you, and answer accordingly?

he's not even hating 30 FPS modes, or wants them gone. he just says that those who have a BIG issue with potential 60 FPS modes being not existent on consoles in future, should behave accordingly.

i see those 30 fps vs 60 fps console discussions all the time between console users. this post owner probably had enough of it and wanted to vent out. its not even directed to many people who got offended in this thread. and those who should be offended are not even in this thread to begin with

let me repeat: he's not asking people to ABANDON consoles for them targeting 30 FPS. he has no issues with consoles, 30 Fps or any of it. his issue is with CONSOLE people who hate on 30 FPS, actually.


Does this console player who's loathed to suffer 30fps on consoles even exist? Why would you even complain about such a thing as a console player on NeoGaf of all places? Seems like OP is yelling at the clouds.
 

yamaci17

Member
Does this console player who's loathed to suffer 30fps on consoles even exist? Why would you even complain about such a thing as a console player on NeoGaf of all places? Seems like OP is yelling at the clouds.
yup they exist

practically after the arrival of ps5 / xsx and with the increase of 60 fps modes, console users are divided between users who are still fine with 30/40 fps modes and even prefers them and another group that hates people who still can enjoy 30/40 fps modes and want only and only 60 fps modes.

such console users are with the mindset of: "30 fps modes are hindering the goodness of our precious 60 fps modes!1"

i think the thread has spawn this specific thread is this:


this is indeed another rant coming from an actual console user who is ranting because 60 fps mode in terms of graphics was not good as 30 fps when it was released. later on, the mode has been improved with better TAA, motion vectors and such. naturally, this specific user thinks that all that stuff could've been done at the release time, if the 30 fps mode did not exist (and i rightfully disagree with him too. i also still like 30/40 fps modes and will actively play some games at 30/40 fps DESPITE being on PC, as a matter of fact)

so no, its not yelling to clouds. these people really do exist. i think this is a big example of miscommunication

some 30 fps people also actively loathe 60 fps however, saying that it halts graphical improvements / increase of graphical complexity. practically, their ideas and approaches greatly clashes, which results as that specific thread
 
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Can you read? Do you understand what mid means? The middle of a 8-10 year generation would be 4-5 years, meaning 2-3 years from now. Not that anyone cares what you think. Mid-gen consoles are coming whether you like it or not.
Yeah and there isn't going to be a mid gen refresh in 2-3 years when there aren't even any exclusives yet. Btw nobody gives a fuck what you think either
 
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rofif

Can’t Git Gud
this thread is not even directed to you. i think this is the biggest problems you and many others in this thread have: reading comprehension, like many others.

this thread is DIRECTED at console users who desire/talk/want/request 60 FPS modes all the time. you clearly have no issue with 30 FPS modes, so you're not being called out with the OP's post.

this thread, and the original post, is about CONSOLE users WHO wants 30 fps modes GONE, which is clearly not you, therefore it is not even directed at you and many others in this thread.

he simply says that if you chose console for its advantages, you also have to bear with its disadvantages, but if you're going to peck at it all time on forums, then you may as well get a PC. have you peck at consoles for a specific game not having a 60 FPS? i dont think so. then why do you think that OP's post is directed at you, and answer accordingly?

he's not even hating 30 FPS modes, or wants them gone. he just says that those who have a BIG issue with potential 60 FPS modes being not existent on consoles in future, should behave accordingly.

i see those 30 fps vs 60 fps console discussions all the time between console users. this post owner probably had enough of it and wanted to vent out. its not even directed to many people who got offended in this thread. and those who should be offended are not even in this thread to begin with

let me repeat: he's not asking people to ABANDON consoles for them targeting 30 FPS. he has no issues with consoles, 30 Fps or any of it. his issue is with CONSOLE people who hate on 30 FPS, actually.
This is bs.
You feel attacked and again just take the "you all can't read!" argument out of ass.
twerkouting twerkouting don't bother with this guy. No matter what you say, he will invent some new bs and then when you disagree, he will keep telling you that you are stupid, you are not a real game or you can't read.
Don't even bother.... don't repeat my mistakes.
 

PhaseJump

Banned
This is bs.
You feel attacked and again just take the "you all can't read!" argument out of ass.
twerkouting twerkouting don't bother with this guy. No matter what you say, he will invent some new bs and then when you disagree, he will keep telling you that you are stupid, you are not a real game or you can't read.
Don't even bother.... don't repeat my mistakes.

Why are you still here? I thought you rage quit a few pages ago and ran down the whole forum while doing so?


I wouldn't mind a gaming PC but the upfront cost is too much for me right now and gaming, for me, doesn't warrant that kind of financial attention nor do I really feel like making the actual playing of games a game, in and of itself. The 30 fps vs. 60 fps doesn't really affect me; I don't really notice it so the jump in frames isn't a huge improvement to me..

Sidebar: PC bros., what's your goal with all these superiority posts? All these things read like a boyfriend negging a girl into going out with him.

"Buy me, the PC"
"I'm not interested / no thanks / I like going out with Console Sam."
"lol idiot. Sam's a loser who can't dance like me. You're dumb for not prioritizing me and the things I bring to the table. What are you poor? How can you not be interested, you idiot?"

You don't value the 30 vs 60fps argument as being worth your attention or concern, yet the vast majority of gamers care about performance enough to know 30's not acceptable these days.

PC gamers know PC is superior. It allows you the option to get better performance. It's not nagging, and if it is, it would be coming from the console gamers who want better, and not the PC gamers who figuratively say "join us already, or shut up."
 
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twerkouting

Banned
Why are you still here? I thought you rage quit a few pages ago and ran down the whole forum while doing so?




You don't value the 30 vs 60fps argument as being worth your attention or concern, yet the vast majority of gamers care about performance enough to know 30's not acceptable these days.

PC gamers know PC is superior. It allows you the option to get better performance. It's not nagging, and if it is, it would be coming from the console gamers who want better, and not the PC gamers who figuratively say "join us already, or shut up."

You're aware "the vast majority of gamers" aren't dudes who hang out on this forum, right? They're people from all walks of life who play games on any number of devices including PC. Or do only the hobbyists count?
 

PhaseJump

Banned
You're aware "the vast majority of gamers" aren't dudes who hang out on this forum, right? They're people from all walks of life who play games on any number of devices including PC. Or do only the hobbyists count?

This forum has nothing to do with it. The majority of casuals who buy consoles and pick up games notice when they're choppy and they look like shit. That's what 30fps gives you.

If you're selling games that noticibly run like absolute shit in 2022, good luck. If you're selling next gen hardware and you're not targeting 60fps even on the basis of the free marketing hype it brings as a talking point, good luck.

We're beyond the debate. Less than 60fps is almost too easy to shape as marketing poison and detrimental to product sales.
 
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