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Star Trek: Strange New Worlds |OT| Seeking Them Out

ManaByte

Gold Member
Voyager was mediocre at best


strange new worlds is good but with many flaws

People forget how bad the UPN era of Trek was. Voyager was done on the cheap, repurposing rejected TNG scripts and repurposing VFX shots (like the Dyson Sphere) to quickly launch a Star Trek on their flagship network. Then Enterprise got even worse to the point where the UPN brass was trying to force them to include a band on the show every week to promote some recent album.
 
Certainly better than most of NuTrek, but its still fucking awful compared to TOS, TNG, Voyager, DS9, or Enterprise.

Truth.

I watched Voyager a couple of months ago and it still holds up, especially the last few seasons. The Holo-Doctor, 7of9 and Barkley were just such engaging characters with well written character arcs.

People forget how bad the UPN era of Trek was. Voyager was done on the cheap, repurposing rejected TNG scripts and repurposing VFX shots (like the Dyson Sphere) to quickly launch a Star Trek on their flagship network. Then Enterprise got even worse to the point where the UPN brass was trying to force them to include a band on the show every week to promote some recent album.

Honestly don't give a crap if it's cheap, so long as it is good.
Shows like Red Dwarf and Dr. Who were produced on a shoestring budget too, they are still great shows.
 

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
People forget how bad the UPN era of Trek was. Voyager was done on the cheap, repurposing rejected TNG scripts and repurposing VFX shots (like the Dyson Sphere) to quickly launch a Star Trek on their flagship network. Then Enterprise got even worse to the point where the UPN brass was trying to force them to include a band on the show every week to promote some recent album.

So to you a show can only be good if it has a high budget? Even if it is written by a retarded inbred monkey? Even if it is poorly acted? Its all forgiven as long as it has explosions and a high budget?
 

AJUMP23

Gold Member
Spock didn’t know in Balance of Terror, which is what this episode is an alternate-timeline version of.
I thought spok (Nimoy) had a line about it in the JJ Abrams movie. It doesn’t matter because those are a different timeline. I just thought Vulcans and romulans knew each other.

I do love early track aliens. Pointy ears your an alien. A Klingon has a gotee.
 

Ironbunny

Member
Man I'm liking this show. Finally a good way of ending a season into a conclusion and also into a cliffhanger. Satisfying. I wonder how its doing viewer vice compared to other Treks?
 
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Drizzlehell

Banned
Finally got around to watching this. I'm only at the second episode but so far I'm on board with it. Episodic format with fun one-off sci-fi plots, but also some semblance of an overarching plot, hopeful and optimistic tone, decent characters, vibrant and slightly cheesy visual style... It really ticks off the right boxes. And there's barely any noticeable pandering, color me impressed!

And that classic Captain's Speech at the end if the first episode - just perfect. It's exactly what I used to love about Star Trek.
 

Drizzlehell

Banned
Halfway through now. I'm consistently impressed with this show. Maybe I'm being overly positive about it but it's probably just because I'm happy to see a brand new Star Trek show that actually tries to be faithful to what used to make this franchise great. Bravo!

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OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
Finally got around to watching this. I'm only at the second episode but so far I'm on board with it. Episodic format with fun one-off sci-fi plots, but also some semblance of an overarching plot, hopeful and optimistic tone, decent characters, vibrant and slightly cheesy visual style... It really ticks off the right boxes. And there's barely any noticeable pandering, color me impressed!

And that classic Captain's Speech at the end if the first episode - just perfect. It's exactly what I used to love about Star Trek.
Shame it was ruined by the "cool" line from uhurah.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
SNW S1 was good enough for me to go back and watch the couple of TOS eps with pike and the romulan one they riff off of for the s1 finale. I'm actually debating subjecting myself to the relevant STD (appropriate acronym, that one :p eps with Pike and crew, I like them that much. Is all of S2 out or is it weekly drops? Might do Picard S3 while I wait.
 

xandaca

Member
First episode of the second season was Discovery-tier cack, but the second episode was good. Putting aside some of the sillier contrivances (a charge suddenly leaping from a dishonourable discharge to 20yrs after a change of plea; the Vulcan deciding at the end to try and implicate Pike and the crew for no reason other than to CREATE DRAMA, even though it was clearly irrelevant to the case being tried), it was nice to have an episode of New Trek debating ethics and not feeling the need to infantilise the audience by cramming in action.
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
SNW S1 was good enough for me to go back and watch the couple of TOS eps with pike and the romulan one they riff off of for the s1 finale. I'm actually debating subjecting myself to the relevant STD (appropriate acronym, that one :p eps with Pike and crew, I like them that much. Is all of S2 out or is it weekly drops? Might do Picard S3 while I wait.

Weekly drops. It's on ep 2 now. Think "Measure of a Man" or "Court Martial"
 

JayK47

Member
After watching Picard, I have been enjoying this. I think I am on Season 2 now. Hoping they do not cancel this for a while yet.
 

Drizzlehell

Banned
If DEEP SPACE NINE is my favorite Star Trek. Would you recommend Strange New Worlds?
You may enjoy it for being a more traditional type of Trek instead of the dark and gritty action schlock that the franchise tried to be for the past 10 years, but it is also very much in the vein of shows like TOS and TNG. It goes back to its roots by having a more idealistic and upbeat tone, "anomaly of the week" episode format, and charismatic leads that you can root for. It's good stuff but don't expect it to be like DS9.
 
You may enjoy it for being a more traditional type of Trek instead of the dark and gritty action schlock that the franchise tried to be for the past 10 years, but it is also very much in the vein of shows like TOS and TNG. It goes back to its roots by having a more idealistic and upbeat tone, "anomaly of the week" episode format, and charismatic leads that you can root for. It's good stuff but don't expect it to be like DS9.
Is there a season long story that gets resolved at the end of each season?
 

Drizzlehell

Banned
Is there a season long story that gets resolved at the end of each season?
More like an overarching plot that bookends the season, with only an occassional mention about it during mid-season episodes. Kinda like the first season of DS9 would open and end with episodes about the Prophets, except SNW is about Pike and his ultimate fate (if you watched TOS then you'll know).
 

AJUMP23

Gold Member
Why will the federation accept everyone except genetically modified individuals? Is it because of Khan and that war he lead, because I have no idea why their solution would be to ban all genetically modified people, and not just punish the bad ones.
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
Why will the federation accept everyone except genetically modified individuals? Is it because of Khan and that war he lead, because I have no idea why their solution would be to ban all genetically modified people, and not just punish the bad ones.

I liken it to 100 years of systemic racism ... From the 1860s to the 1960s (even though that extended beyond the 1960s). The fear was still there ... Even during DS9 ... That an enhanced person would rise up and destroy the Federation. Even though they've had wars with everyone from the Klingons to the Dominion to the Borg. Their fear is irrational. Fear keeps it going.
 

Drizzlehell

Banned
Why will the federation accept everyone except genetically modified individuals? Is it because of Khan and that war he lead, because I have no idea why their solution would be to ban all genetically modified people, and not just punish the bad ones.
Basically yes. Federation strictly banned genetic augmentation following the Eugenics Wars.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Basically yes. Federation strictly banned genetic augmentation following the Eugenics Wars.
But wasn't the ENTIRE plot of the first ep that Nurse Chapel was applying a genetic modification to alter the starfleet officers to resemble those military aliens? Why was that OK but an Illyrian not? How is a half-Vulcan ok but a human can't try to level the playing field?

I find that the silly nature of TOS obscures the more ridiculous parts of Star Trek. But as the show looks better and acts more serious, these things become the limiting issues.

They seem VERY reluctant to engage in the type of technobabble that make a lot of TNG plots work. Instead, in SNW and STD they seem to just jump to a resolution without much explanation. It's an interesting shift in writer room priorites.
 

Drizzlehell

Banned
But wasn't the ENTIRE plot of the first ep that Nurse Chapel was applying a genetic modification to alter the starfleet officers to resemble those military aliens? Why was that OK but an Illyrian not? How is a half-Vulcan ok but a human can't try to level the playing field?

I find that the silly nature of TOS obscures the more ridiculous parts of Star Trek. But as the show looks better and acts more serious, these things become the limiting issues.

They seem VERY reluctant to engage in the type of technobabble that make a lot of TNG plots work. Instead, in SNW and STD they seem to just jump to a resolution without much explanation. It's an interesting shift in writer room priorites.
It's more like a temporary plastic surgery to blend in during covert missions. They do it in Star Trek all the time. Eugenics Wars, on the other hand, was caused by genetically enhanced superhumans with a god complex, and they developed said complex and sociopathic behavior because they thought themselves superior to regular humans. Completely different thing.

And Spock is a child of a mixed race relationship, don't be silly.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
It's more like a temporary plastic surgery to blend in during covert missions. They do it in Star Trek all the time. Eugenics Wars, on the other hand, was caused by genetically enhanced superhumans with a god complex, and they developed said complex and sociopathic behavior because they thought themselves superior to regular humans. Completely different thing.

And Spock is a child of a mixed race relationship, don't be silly.
I dunno, literal genetic modification (even if temporary) as an approved starfleet project vs "I happen to be from a group that practiced genetic modification"=LIFE IN JAIL WITH NO OUTSIDE CONTACT happening in just 2-3 episodes seems a bit of a stretch.

And yes, I see little difference between "we genetically modify ourselves and our children are just as culpable for that decision" and "I am the child of a human and a genetically superior race with enhanced capabilities over a normal human" at the 50,000 level. What, exactly, is the concern over genetic manipulation that would separate an illyrian from Spock?
 

Drizzlehell

Banned
I dunno, literal genetic modification (even if temporary) as an approved starfleet project vs "I happen to be from a group that practiced genetic modification"=LIFE IN JAIL WITH NO OUTSIDE CONTACT happening in just 2-3 episodes seems a bit of a stretch.

And yes, I see little difference between "we genetically modify ourselves and our children are just as culpable for that decision" and "I am the child of a human and a genetically superior race with enhanced capabilities over a normal human" at the 50,000 level. What, exactly, is the concern over genetic manipulation that would separate an illyrian from Spock?
Well, first of all, it wasn't Spock's choice to be mixed race, but even so, being a child of parents of two races is a natural thing. Unless you're like, you know, a space racist or something. Not saying that you are but what you're arguing here has the same connotations as racial segregation of mixed-race children, so consider that at least.

And no, a plastic surgery that's meant to conceal your identity is nowhere near being a genetically engineered superhuman with superior strength and intellect. Nowhere in this franchise's long history was this ever a sticking point because in the older shows, the implications was always that it was some form of advanced plastic surgery. Usually it was just called a "procedure" or something along those lines, and you would usually see characters entering sickbay in one scene and then in the next one they would just appear with those fake movie props glued to their faces. But otherwise they would always retain their natural physiology - they still bled their own blood, they had the same internal organs, etc.

Strange New Worlds is pretty much the first Star Trek show that tried to explain how exactly these facial modifications are done but this DNA-rewriting hypo spray idea does sound kinda stupid tbh and I wasn't a big fan of that explanation. I think they kinda dropped the ball on that part and I get how you could interpret that as a plot hole. Regardless, it's not such a big deal. It's just a TV show anyway. It's not like they suddenly turned into Khan just because they got a shot that made their faces turn into a potato for a few seconds.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
What's the difference between
Una
as an illyrian and Spock as a half human? Genetically spock is part human, part something else. How do you even track genetic changes in an alien race and differentiate it between supreme mental control, physical conditioning, or anything else like cybernetic augmentation? Why does
she go to jail,
it wasn't her choice anymore than it was spocks.

This is obviously a semantics argument about a made up show with only the dodgiest internal consistency spanning decades, but if we are gonna fight about it, let's go :p
 

Drizzlehell

Banned
What's the difference between
Una
as an illyrian and Spock as a half human?
She wasn't born this way. Her race is using genetic engineering to improve their mental capabilities. They were first introduced in Star Trek Enterprise where it was explained.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
She wasn't born this way. Her race is using genetic engineering to improve their mental capabilities. They were first introduced in Star Trek Enterprise where it was explained.
Was she a consenting adult when it happened? And apparently it is reversible (to some extent) as seen on ST:SNW. I'm sure all that will play out in S2 as I doubt future
Pike will show up to admonish current Pike for jacking with the timeline just to free Una (who was played by Majel Barrett in "The Cage", right? Was that the same character?) I've no doubt they will remake that ep in SNW
 
I saw a trailer for season 2 and they showed what was supposed to be James Kirk. Except, it looks nothing like him.

Even Chris Pine looks more like William Shatner and besides at least they can get away with him looking a little different being it's in a parallel universe.

This is the prime universe as far as I understand and this Kirk looks completely different. Can't they just do some computer manipulation like they did with the Mandalorian with Luke Skywalker? I guess maybe their budget isn't as good as Disney and ILM.
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
Why will the federation accept everyone except genetically modified individuals? Is it because of Khan and that war he lead, because I have no idea why their solution would be to ban all genetically modified people, and not just punish the bad ones.

The hypospray was more like super steroids than genetic manipulation because it doesn't last. Genetic manipulation LASTS For Illyrians and other genetically manipulated peoples.
 

wvnative

Member
I saw a trailer for season 2 and they showed what was supposed to be James Kirk. Except, it looks nothing like him.

Even Chris Pine looks more like William Shatner and besides at least they can get away with him looking a little different being it's in a parallel universe.

This is the prime universe as far as I understand and this Kirk looks completely different. Can't they just do some computer manipulation like they did with the Mandalorian with Luke Skywalker? I guess maybe their budget isn't as good as Disney and ILM.
No, CGI deaging is EXTREMELY expensive, and not good enough to carry an entire show. Stuff like Luke in Mando is only feasible for short scenes, and the character can't move much otherwise it all falls apart.
 
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