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Intel Arc A380 review - competing at the bottom of the stack

winjer

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nVidia and AMD have released some really bad GPUs in 2022, with the GTX 1630 and the RX 6400.
But now Intel competes for the prize of the worst card of the year.

- Awful DX11 performance, decent DX12 performance, lackluster Vulkan performance. Probably because of bad drivers.
- Terrible performance with Rebar disabled, causing huge amounts of hitching and stutter. And lower performance. So a modern compatible system with Rebar is essential.
- Performance is lower to am RX 6400, but close in several titles.
- Uses more power than the 6400. 51W vs 81W.
 

01011001

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I mean it's their first card, but yeah... noone should buy this thing
 
At this point I don't know if intel is even trying.

They seem to be doing huge GPU's based on their shit integrated graphics and then never release them.
 

winjer

Gold Member
Ouch.....ffs intel..

Why would you even let this out...as the first impression.

How do you even enable that rebar thing.

First you need a CPU and Motherboard with support for Rebar. So for people with older systems, that were considering a cheap upgrade, these Intel GPUs are not an option.
Then go to Bios and enable Above 4G decoding. Then enable Rebar.
I don't know how it is with Intel drivers, but it probably requires to also go into the Driver Control Panel and enable Rebar.
 
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Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Werent some claiming it's suppsoe to be at Rtx 3070 level?
Thats the A770 and A780.

This is basically an APU GPU being sold stand alone.
When people were desperate for GPUs it made sense......they are a little late to the party right now.
And even the A770 is probably gonna be late cuz RTX 4070s will probably cost the same.
Delaying the launch of the A series was a huge huge mistake, literally 3 months ago they probably would have made a killing fight RTX 3070s.
 

winjer

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Thats the A770 and A780.

This is basically an APU GPU being sold stand alone.
When people were desperate for GPUs it made sense......they are a little late to the party right now.
And even the A770 is probably gonna be late cuz RTX 4070s will probably cost the same.
Delaying the launch of the A series was a huge huge mistake, literally 3 months ago they probably would have made a killing fight RTX 3070s.

All you said is true. But right now, Intel's drivers are a broken mess.
Imagine how bad they could be a few months back.
 
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spons

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What is it with Windows drivers and piss-poor performance. Same with AMD on Linux, which performs many times better than the Windows drivers, especially in OpenGL.
 

Skifi28

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First we got the 3050 and everyone thought it was terrible value, then the RX6400 came to change our mind about the 3050 and become one of the worst GPUs ever released, but thankfully intel came to the rescue battling for the last position. The race to the bottom continues.

The A750 only just trumps an RTX3060.
In *some* games while in others older ones it could easily be 30-40% below because of drivers like the A380. It doesn't matter when it releases, it seems dead regardless unless one is really desperate and can't find anything else for the price in their country,
 
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Even if their best model beats the RTX 3070 at a decent price, who in their right mind will actually buy this with all the driver issues? Scenarios where a new game comes out and you have to wait weeks for proper driver support will likely be common. Idk man.
 

winjer

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The A780 might beat the 3070 in some DX12 games. But with the issues they have with DX11 games. And somewhat lower performance in Vulkan, they will lose in many others.
And Intel is very likely to improve their drivers over time. But if I buy nVidia or AMD, I won't have those issues.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Intel did AMD a favor by taking Raja Koduri away from them. I remember certain Intel shills said this was a big deal, and that AMD would suffer for it, I wasn't so sure given how Vega ended up being when all was said and done.

The reality is that AMD actually improved their GPUs drastically since he left. Navi was and is a success. The 6000 series GPUs are very competitive with Nvidia's GPUs when it comes rasteurization. In Ray Tracing, it still leaves a lot to be desired. A lot.

I know I shit on the guy, but he is always a day late and a dollar short when he arrives.

Yes, it is good for industry if Intel can offer GPUs that are competitive, but I don't believe Raja is the guy to do it. Intel's best move is to hire as much talent away from nvidia as possible. Pay them tons of money.
 
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JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The A780 might beat the 3070 in some DX12 games. But with the issues they have with DX11 games. And somewhat lower performance in Vulkan, they will lose in many others.
And Intel is very likely to improve their drivers over time. But if I buy nVidia or AMD, I won't have those issues.
Intel had the widest opening in the industry at the beginning of 2021. They could have made a splash if they had been able to release then. Maybe if they had someone more competent in charge of their graphics department.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Intel had the widest opening in the industry at the beginning of 2021. They could have made a splash if they had been able to release then. Maybe if they had someone more competent in charge of their graphics department.
Thats it.
During the shortage they could have made a killing selling 3060 and 3070ti competitors, right now theyll basically be selling to the uninformed, the i just play fortnite and full system buyers.
 

winjer

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Intel is Intel. They have huge deals with system builders.
They'll probably won't sell many to DIY gamers. But Intel will manage to get these in a ton of pre-built computers.
 
Intel did AMD a favor by taking Raja Koduri away from them. I remember certain Intel shills said this was a big deal, and that AMD would suffer for it, I wasn't so sure given how Vega ended up being when all was said and done.

The reality is that AMD actually improved their GPUs drastically since he left. Navi was and is a success. The 6000 series GPUs are very competitive with Nvidia's GPUs when it comes rasteurization. In Ray Tracing, it still leaves a lot to be desired. A lot.

I know I shit on the guy, but he is always a day late and a dollar short when he arrives.

Yes, it is good for industry if Intel can offer GPUs that are competitive, but I don't believe Raja is the guy to do it. Intel's best move is to hire as much talent away from nvidia as possible. Pay them tons of money.
Saagar with another truth bomb.
 

SantaC

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Intel did AMD a favor by taking Raja Koduri away from them. I remember certain Intel shills said this was a big deal, and that AMD would suffer for it, I wasn't so sure given how Vega ended up being when all was said and done.

The reality is that AMD actually improved their GPUs drastically since he left. Navi was and is a success. The 6000 series GPUs are very competitive with Nvidia's GPUs when it comes rasteurization. In Ray Tracing, it still leaves a lot to be desired. A lot.

I know I shit on the guy, but he is always a day late and a dollar short when he arrives.

Yes, it is good for industry if Intel can offer GPUs that are competitive, but I don't believe Raja is the guy to do it. Intel's best move is to hire as much talent away from nvidia as possible. Pay them tons of money.
Raja is shit. The man has a massive ego that he cant live up to.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Raja is shit. The man has a massive ego that he cant live up to.
I wouldn't quite call him shit. Vega was a good (not great) product performance wise. It was just a dead end technology that was prohibitively expensive to make with that memory. It seems like he is taking a lot of those bad ideas to Intel. I fear that Intel gave him too long a leesh.

Having said, he does seem like an ego maniac. It was reported that he was trying to spin off the GPU division at AMD and would frequently butt heads with Lisa Su. Su is clearly the more competent of the two. Its quite obvious that he is not missed nor was he essential at AMD.

I was more worried about Intel taking Jim Keller.
 
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this is worst than VEGA launch. Raja always promises performance but he never delivers it.

I recall in a thread a while back I got dogpiled for suggesting that Intel's first major foray into Desktop GPUs wasn't gonna set the house on fire and was probably unlikely to come close to AMD/NVidia.

How'd you like dem apples, bitches!!!!

Raja is a hack. Vega proposed it and this POS doubly confirmed it.
 
Intel did AMD a favor by taking Raja Koduri away from them. I remember certain Intel shills said this was a big deal, and that AMD would suffer for it, I wasn't so sure given how Vega ended up being when all was said and done.

The reality is that AMD actually improved their GPUs drastically since he left. Navi was and is a success. The 6000 series GPUs are very competitive with Nvidia's GPUs when it comes rasteurization. In Ray Tracing, it still leaves a lot to be desired. A lot.

I know I shit on the guy, but he is always a day late and a dollar short when he arrives.

Yes, it is good for industry if Intel can offer GPUs that are competitive, but I don't believe Raja is the guy to do it. Intel's best move is to hire as much talent away from nvidia as possible. Pay them tons of money.
But Vega and Polaris were good! Vega 56 made Nvidia drop prices, and create an 1070ti. If you recall that was the first 70 series card with the TI naming. Nvidia felt pressured.

I understand that Vega 64 was meant to beat the 1080ti and got stomped, but you have to look at the whole picture.

Rx 580 was better than 1060 in a majority of games.

I'm not saying Raja isn't worse than the other two competitor's engineers but, he's had his successes and ultimately I think Intel will come back from this, stronger.
 
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I want more competition, shame they didn't release during the gpu buying craze it would have at least helped them kickstart. Too little too late.
 

winjer

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But Vega and Polaris were good! Vega 56 made Nvidia drop prices, and create an 1070ti. If you recall that was the first 70 series card with the TI naming. Nvidia felt pressured.

I understand that Vega 64 was meant to beat the 1080ti and got stomped, but you have to look at the whole picture.

Rx 580 was better than 1060 in a majority of games.

I'm not saying Raja isn't worse than the other two competitor's engineers but, he's had his successes and ultimately I think Intel will come back from this, stronger.

Raja is most know for the Vega fiasco. It's not that they were utterly bad.
But Raja was infamous for saying publicly "poor Volta". A reference to Vega being so powerful it would destroy nVidia's Volta arch. What happened was exactly the opposite.
Had he kept his mouth shut, it would be a decent card, although inferior to nVidia's offerings, be it Volta o Pascal.

It came out like a year later, it'd be sad if it wasn't.

The RX 580 is just an overclocked RX 480. And this one came out at almost a month difference from the 1060 6GB.
So that comparison was very fitting.
 
It came out like a year later, it'd be sad if it wasn't.
480 8gb was basically the same thing though.

It's been a while but it's probably the case where the 8gb 480 is better for modern stuff vs. 1060.

winjer winjer it wasn't inferior to pascal though, depending on the tier. But yeah, I didn't know about the volta boasts, that was pretty stupid then.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I recall in a thread a while back I got dogpiled for suggesting that Intel's first major foray into Desktop GPUs wasn't gonna set the house on fire and was probably unlikely to come close to AMD/NVidia.

How'd you like dem apples, bitches!!!!

Raja is a hack. Vega proposed it and this POS doubly confirmed it.
We said it would peak at RTX3070(midrange) levels....which is the most popular segment of GPU.
Them getting delayed has really fucked them otherwise RTX3060 and RTX3070 competitors would have been golden in 2021, no one could have foreseen the delay.

Just like one could have foreseen another Ada Lovelace delay they (Intel) still have a chance to sell some units from under the RTX3070 and RTX3060.
Nvidia have a tough decision to make....piss off partners or fuck it.

 

winjer

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480 8gb was basically the same thing though.

It's been a while but it's probably the case where the 8gb 480 is better for modern stuff vs. 1060.

winjer winjer it wasn't inferior to pascal though, depending on the tier. But yeah, I didn't know about the volta boasts, that was pretty stupid then.

Truth be told, it was inferior in several ways.
A good comparison is between the GTX 1080 and the RX Vega 64. They have very similar performance.
But the Vega 64 needs 12,500 million transistors and has a die size of 495 mm², in 14nm. Meanwhile the GTX 1080 only needs 7,200 million transistors and has a die size of 314 mm², in 16 nm.
And the GTX 1080 uses 170W, while the Vega car uses 220W.
So the Vega cards were significantly less efficient in transistor usage and in power usage.

AMD did price the Vega cards lower than nVidia, so that was a point on their favor.
 
Truth be told, it was inferior in several ways.
A good comparison is between the GTX 1080 and the RX Vega 64. They have very similar performance.
But the Vega 64 needs 12,500 million transistors and has a die size of 495 mm², in 14nm. Meanwhile the GTX 1080 only needs 7,200 million transistors and has a die size of 314 mm², in 16 nm.
And the GTX 1080 uses 170W, while the Vega car uses 220W.
So the Vega cards were significantly less efficient in transistor usage and in power usage.

AMD did price the Vega cards lower than nVidia, so that was a point on their favor.
Oh no doubt, I acknowledge that Vega 64 was inferior to 1080/TI design.

But 56 is better than 1070 design. Remember also that Vega has async compute, which can help in modern titles compared to pascal i.e. rainbow six siege, Wolfenstein 2 etc. Turing finally got async compute.

In general it has looked like this amd design did better on the lower tier cards, and didn't scale well with power usage/die size on the higher end stuff.
 
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