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Microsoft and Activision Blizzard: The FTC could approve the acquisition in August

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FalsettoVibe

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Then explain why the government didn't require Disney to release Fox's movies on Netflix and other services after they merged.

Because the government cannot do that.
Awful example. At the time Netflix was doing extremely well and in no way was Disney considered to be a monopoly.
 

ManaByte

Member
Flip that around and then take a look in the mirror

I have no idea what's going to happen to Bungies new IPs

It's on their website.


Q. Bungie has future games in development, will they now become PlayStation exclusives?
No. We want the worlds we are creating to extend to anywhere people play games. We will continue to be self-published, creatively independent, and we will continue to drive one, unified Bungie community.
 

Hezekiah

Banned
Microsoft hasn't got the monopoly on the console gaming business. Why wouldn't this aquisition get approved?

I still think Microsoft are way overpaying for this deal. Activision/Blizzard aren't worth that much money.
$70bn for basically CoD and Candy Crush.
 
It's on their website.


Q. Bungie has future games in development, will they now become PlayStation exclusives?
No. We want the worlds we are creating to extend to anywhere people play games. We will continue to be self-published, creatively independent, and we will continue to drive one, unified Bungie community.

Do you see any platforms listed there?

I see a platform on Microsofts blog.
 

Riky

$MSFT
Presuming they are not using ambiguous wording and COD still comes to other platforms then the value for MS is having the game day and date on Gamepass, those more "casual" gamers are probably still in the millions on last gen consoles, when they are forced to upgrade when a next gen only COD drops one format will have the game in a subscription day one, that's the big driver for Microsoft.
Also you would expect Gamepass exclusive packs and the pre release alpha and beta moving first to Xbox.
To millions of COD players those things matter.
 
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Topher

Gold Member
Yeah, but I'm only talking about Call of Duty. Some people here interpret the statement as "MS guarantees that every single CoD will also be on Playstation, forever", which is super reaching tbh. The statement is also true if only Warzone is on Playstation and no other CoD ever.

Clearly he is referring to the Call of Duty franchise. If he were talking about a single entry then he would have pointed to that game.

Presuming they are not using ambiguous wording and COD still comes to other platforms then the value for MS is having the game day and date on Gamepass, those more "casual" gamers are probably still in the millions on last gen consoles, when they are forced to upgrade when a next gen only COD drops one format will have the game in a subscription day one, that's the big driver for Microsoft.
Also your would expect Gamepass exclusive packs and the pre release alpha and beta moving first to Xbox.
To millions of COD players those things matter.

That is my expectation as well. Just because Microsoft will be publishing COD on PS doesn't mean they won't make the franchise a hell of a lot more attractive on Xbox.
 
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I see a lot of people who don't even play COD very very invested in this and for most COD players if they had to choose paying $100 every October for the yearly update or just getting it in a sub the choice would be easy.

Running away and making cop out argument seems to be all you can do
 

jorgejjvr

Gold Member
Clearly he is referring to the Call of Duty franchise. If he were talking about a single entry then he would have pointed to that game.



That is my expectation as well. Just because Microsoft will be publishing COD on PS doesn't mean they won't make the franchise a hell of a lot more attractive on Xbox.
Day 1 on gp is more than enough attraction, plus they will get all the marketing
 

skneogaf

Member
Just like the bungie deal, this deal doesn't benefit us other than I'll play a couple of their games on gamepass instead of buying them on sale in a year or two.
 

PhaseJump

Banned
When the deal is done, we need Greenberg in a Crash Bandicoot costume with a megaphone, yelling at Sony HQ like in the old anti-Nintendo commercials.
 
Clearly he is referring to the Call of Duty franchise. If he were talking about a single entry then he would have pointed to that game.
He might be referring to the franchise, but it doesn't necessarily mean that all future games are included. He might as well mean all past games and Warzone 2. If you want to see a clear statement regarding future titles, look at Bungie's.
 
He might be referring to the franchise, but it doesn't necessarily mean that all future games are included. He might as well mean all past games and Warzone 2. If you want to see a clear statement regarding future titles, look at Bungie's.

They don't even name drop platforms for future bungie titles. How is that more clear?
 
"Anywhere people play games." Can't get much clearer than that.

Also read this article if you still don't see it for some reason: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...journey-with-multiplatform-live-service-games

In that, Jimbo confirms that future titles will be everywhere where Destiny 2 is (and maybe more).

We heard the same bullshit from Todd with Bethesda and look how that turned out

I want to see an actual quote from Jim. Clear and Concise. All Bungie IPs will be on Xbox. Not an editorilisation from Chris
 
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We heard the same bullshit from Todd with Bethesda and look how that turned out

I want to see an actual quote from Jim. Clear and Concise. All Bungie IPs will be on Xbox. Not an editorilisation from Chris
"The first thing to say unequivocally is that Bungie will stay an independent, multiplatform studio and publisher. Pete [Parsons, CEO] and I have spoken about many things over recent months, and this was one of the first, and actually easiest and most straightforward, conclusions we reached together. Everybody wants the extremely large Destiny 2 community, whatever platform they're on, to be able to continue to enjoy their Destiny 2 experiences. And that approach will apply to future Bungie releases. That is unequivocal. [Bungie] will operate autonomously within the Sony Interactive Entertainment organisation, and they will continue to publish on other platforms."

That's a direct quote.
 
"The first thing to say unequivocally is that Bungie will stay an independent, multiplatform studio and publisher. Pete [Parsons, CEO] and I have spoken about many things over recent months, and this was one of the first, and actually easiest and most straightforward, conclusions we reached together. Everybody wants the extremely large Destiny 2 community, whatever platform they're on, to be able to continue to enjoy their Destiny 2 experiences. And that approach will apply to future Bungie releases. That is unequivocal. [Bungie] will operate autonomously within the Sony Interactive Entertainment organisation, and they will continue to publish on other platforms."

That's a direct quote.

Okay. And I'm still not seeing "bungie titles will be released on Xbox going forward"

What Microsoft has said is clear about COD and PS5. That quote is not. There's not even a mention of consoles, nevermind Xbox.
 
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Ozriel

M$FT
How do you know that? Just curious.

Brad Smith said that? Microsoft promised this to the FTC. They won’t be able to weasel out with Warzone, since the key thing that the regulators are worrying about (with respect to unfair advantage) is Call of Duty.

I don't think you can say this for certain. Sure, that's the way it looks, but Microsoft's wording leaves it open to interpretation. We can say for sure that Xbox players will get the best COD experience. I expect a lot of COD players to move back to Xbox after so many moved to PS4 when Sony locked down exclusive content. Hopefully we don't see a return of that, but probably first access to betas, etc.

And I'm not sure about Switch. LOL. Activision had years to put any COD game on Switch and they didn't. Why would they do that now under new ownership?

The real world doesn’t work that way. Microsoft has promised the FTC that they will release COD on competing platforms post acquisition. Going with Warzone alone would not be viewed favorably and would harm the chances of them making future acquisitions.

It would also be foolish as hell, they need the multi-billion dollar IP to be as big as ever.

MS promised a Switch port. I’d expect that for the 2024 version. Switch 2 will be out by then and should be more powerful than the Xbox one.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
We heard the same bullshit from Todd with Bethesda and look how that turned out

I want to see an actual quote from Jim. Clear and Concise. All Bungie IPs will be on Xbox. Not an editorilisation from Chris

Todd never told you Bethesda games would be multiplatform post acquisition. Stop posting this misinformation

It was a condition of sale from Bungie that they retain the freedom to keep releasing their games on all platforms, and they’ve confirmed their future games will be multiplatform. Not sure how much clearer info you need.
 
Todd never told you Bethesda games would be multiplatform post acquisition. Stop posting this misinformation

It was a condition of sale from Bungie that they retain the freedom to keep releasing their games on all platforms, and they’ve confirmed their future games will be multiplatform. Not sure how much clearer info you need.

Read what i'm responding to again
 

BeardGawd

Banned
Bungie staying third party is 100% entirely due to Bungie themselves requiring that stiplitation or no deal would've been made. Not Sony. Sony, the company who extended Destiny DLC timed exclusivity behind the scenes a second year so that Xbox players didn't get it until the sequel was out, would love to have Destiny and future titles exclusive.

I love how Sony fans like to pretend Sony is just playing nice when it wasn't up to them to begin with, lmao.
A multiplat game like Street Fighter 5 was permenant exclusive as well.

Which has honestly soured me on getting SF6. Capcom's loss.
 
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$70bn for basically CoD and Candy Crush.

And World of Warcraft, and Overwatch, and Diablo, and Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro, and Hearthstone, and Starcraft, and Heroes of the Storm, and Tony Hawk, and Guitar Hero if they decide to revive it, and other smaller franchises that could be revived, plus an absolutely massive back catalog of games that could be added to Game Pass. Honestly it's probably underpaying for what you're going to get out of them.



EDIT: Which btw it's kind of absurd what Microsoft owns now, 5 years ago if you would've told me that Elder Scrolls, Fallout, DOOM, Call of Duty, World of Warcraft, Candy Crush, Crash Bandicoot, etc. would all be Xbox 1st party franchises I wouldn't've believed you
 
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ManaByte

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And World of Warcraft, and Overwatch, and Diablo, and Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro, and Hearthstone, and Starcraft, and Heroes of the Storm, and Tony Hawk, and Guitar Hero if they decide to revive it, and other smaller franchises that could be revived, plus an absolutely massive back catalog of games that could be added to Game Pass. Honestly it's probably underpaying for what you're going to get out of them.
  • Blur
  • Caesar
  • Call of Duty
  • Candy Crush
  • Crash Bandicoot
  • Diablo
  • DJ Hero
  • Empire Earth
  • Gabriel Knight
  • Geometry Wars
  • Guitar Hero
  • Gun
  • Hearthstone
  • Heroes of the Storm
  • Hexen
  • Interstate ’76
  • King’s Quest
  • Laura Bow Mysteries
  • The Lost Vikings
  • Overwatch
  • Phantasmagoria
  • Pitfall
  • Police Quest
  • Prototype
  • Quest for Glory
  • Singularity
  • Skylanders
  • Solider of Fortune
  • Space Quest
  • Spyro the Dragon
  • StarCraft
  • Tenchu (legacy games)
  • TimeShift
  • Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater
  • True Crime
  • World of Warcraft
  • Zork
 
  • Blur
  • Caesar
  • Call of Duty
  • Candy Crush
  • Crash Bandicoot
  • Diablo
  • DJ Hero
  • Empire Earth
  • Gabriel Knight
  • Geometry Wars
  • Guitar Hero
  • Gun
  • Hearthstone
  • Heroes of the Storm
  • Hexen
  • Interstate ’76
  • King’s Quest
  • Laura Bow Mysteries
  • The Lost Vikings
  • Overwatch
  • Phantasmagoria
  • Pitfall
  • Police Quest
  • Prototype
  • Quest for Glory
  • Singularity
  • Skylanders
  • Solider of Fortune
  • Space Quest
  • Spyro the Dragon
  • StarCraft
  • Tenchu (legacy games)
  • TimeShift
  • Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater
  • True Crime
  • World of Warcraft
  • Zork
Lots of fun games they own, hoping they at least keep Tony Hawk alive and make at least one Guitar Hero revival


Of the "0% chance they ever use this franchise in any capacity" ones on that list, I'm really hoping they make another Timeshift, I don't really care about the plot or anything but the "time control" mechanics were awesome and have pretty much not been used since in any FPS (and really only Quantum Break as far as AAA games go). Time manipulation is an incredibly underused mechanic that has so much potential both in terms of combat as well as puzzle solving
 

ManaByte

Member
Lots of fun games they own, hoping they at least keep Tony Hawk alive and make at least one Guitar Hero revival


Of the "0% chance they ever use this franchise in any capacity" ones on that list, I'm really hoping they make another Timeshift, I don't really care about the plot or anything but the "time control" mechanics were awesome and have pretty much not been used since in any FPS (and really only Quantum Break as far as AAA games go). Time manipulation is an incredibly underused mechanic that has so much potential both in terms of combat as well as puzzle solving

I'm pretty sure Double Fine is frothing at the mouth to get their hands on some of those Sierra IPs.
 
I'm just using your logic.

Just read what Jimbo says, he's not keeping anything secret. He bought Bungie because he wants to make multiplatform GaaS games. He wants to make the next Fortnite. He actively wants to release on as many platforms as possible. There's literally no reason he would want to leave out Xbox.

You sound just like us when we were in the Bethesda denial phase.
 
You sound just like us when we were in the Bethesda denial phase.


There's more supporting evidence of Bungie games being on Xbox than there was for Bethesda games being on Playstation, I don't really care either way as post Halo 3 Bungie isn't something I'm particularly interested in, and I have a PS5 so if they make a cool game and it's exclusive I'll happily buy it, but I don't think these situations are particularly equal. It sounds more like the Activision deal where it makes more sense to have all the GaaS games be on everything to maximize money, where if they make any campaigns or single player games they would make sense as exclusive. Once again I don't really care about exclusivity I just don't think the two situations are identical
 

Lognor

Banned
Brad Smith said that? Microsoft promised this to the FTC. They won’t be able to weasel out with Warzone, since the key thing that the regulators are worrying about (with respect to unfair advantage) is Call of Duty.



The real world doesn’t work that way. Microsoft has promised the FTC that they will release COD on competing platforms post acquisition. Going with Warzone alone would not be viewed favorably and would harm the chances of them making future acquisitions.

It would also be foolish as hell, they need the multi-billion dollar IP to be as big as ever.

MS promised a Switch port. I’d expect that for the 2024 version. Switch 2 will be out by then and should be more powerful than the Xbox one.
We'll see! Like I said, I expect Ms to release cod everywhere but it's not a guarantee. At a minimum Xbox will get first access to betas,demo, maybe content, etc. Just glad I own an Xbox so I don't need to worry about it!

And I'd feel the same if I was a destiny fan and was choosing a console to play it on going forward. Bungie games will continue to release on Xbox day one, but there might be other perks with the ps version. If that's your game you're better off buying a ps. Might be okay with the Xbox version but I'd say better safe than sorry
 
I'm just reading what Bungie and Jimbo are saying. Bethesda never made any such claims.

Bernd

I'm not contesting whether or not Bungie's future IPs are all going to be on Xbox. I'm not going to say with confidence that they won't.

I'm contesting your flimsy argument for believing Jim and Bungie's PR fluff and not Microsoft's blog post adressed to regulators. You just come across as desperate
 
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Bernd

I'm not contesting whether or not Bungie's future IPs are all going to be on Xbox. I'm not going to say with confidence that they won't.

I'm contesting your flimsy argument for believing Jim and Bungie's PR fluff and not Microsoft's blog post adressed to regulators. You just come across as desperate
Microsoft's blog post is ambiguous, Bungie and Jimbo are not. That's my entire point. I personally think CoD will release on Playstation. Same for Diablo 4.
 

BeardGawd

Banned
  • Blur
  • Caesar
  • Call of Duty
  • Candy Crush
  • Crash Bandicoot
  • Diablo
  • DJ Hero
  • Empire Earth
  • Gabriel Knight
  • Geometry Wars
  • Guitar Hero
  • Gun
  • Hearthstone
  • Heroes of the Storm
  • Hexen
  • Interstate ’76
  • King’s Quest
  • Laura Bow Mysteries
  • The Lost Vikings
  • Overwatch
  • Phantasmagoria
  • Pitfall
  • Police Quest
  • Prototype
  • Quest for Glory
  • Singularity
  • Skylanders
  • Solider of Fortune
  • Space Quest
  • Spyro the Dragon
  • StarCraft
  • Tenchu (legacy games)
  • TimeShift
  • Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater
  • True Crime
  • World of Warcraft
  • Zork
Nice list but honestly I feel they are purchasing more for the talented developers. I expect more new IP vs resurrecting old IP.
 
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Microsoft's blog post is ambiguous, Bungie and Jimbo are not. That's my entire point. I personally think CoD will release on Playstation. Same for Diablo 4.

And your reasoning for thinking that is ridiculous

Microsoft specifes the actual platforms for CODs future.

Bungie and Jim do not. All they use is wordplay

You actually quoted the "anywhere people can play games" tripe like it actually means anything. Microsoft says the same shit with a hidden asterix
 
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Did anyone actually think this wouldnt happen? lol.

I kind of wished it would get denied though. Not my money though so.

Nah, outside of some of the better workers, this Gives MS a good stack of FPS and TPS talent, and they can not make original IP or revive franchises owned by MS or Activison, but finally disband 343.
 

Hezekiah

Banned
And World of Warcraft, and Overwatch, and Diablo, and Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro, and Hearthstone, and Starcraft, and Heroes of the Storm, and Tony Hawk, and Guitar Hero if they decide to revive it, and other smaller franchises that could be revived, plus an absolutely massive back catalog of games that could be added to Game Pass. Honestly it's probably underpaying for what you're going to get out of them.



EDIT: Which btw it's kind of absurd what Microsoft owns now, 5 years ago if you would've told me that Elder Scrolls, Fallout, DOOM, Call of Duty, World of Warcraft, Candy Crush, Crash Bandicoot, etc. would all be Xbox 1st party franchises I wouldn't've believed you
Crash, Tony Hawk and Spyro 😄

Not a Warcraft fan, but I heard its peak was years ago
 

Hendrick's

If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
And your reasoning for thinking that is ridiculous

Microsoft specifes the actual platforms for CODs future.

Bungie and Jim do not. All they use is wordplay

You actually quoted the "anywhere people can play games" tripe like it actually means anything. Microsoft says the same shit with a hidden asterix
It doesn't even matter. In fact, MS keeping COD multi only benefits them. I look forward to all the spin when the top selling game of 2023 on PS is a Microsoft game.
 
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