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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Not sure what you mean here. Textures literally make up the graphics. The lighting simply enhances them.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
He also thinks that aiming with a mouse is not gameplay. Just another classic take.
Umbasaborne
Banned
They definitely do, depending on the art style, ff7 remakes rushed and soupy texture work are a very noticable blemish on what is otherwise a very pretty game. If they had gone for a flatter, anime cell shaded look, your right it wouldnt matter as much, but considering they took a realistic approach to the art style, and cheaped out on or rushed the auxiliary environmental texture work, then yes, it looks bad. Compare it to another “realistic” looking game like gears 5 or the last of us 2, and the difference is night and day
The textures aren't rushed. They were optimised down to fit on a disk/stream on PS4.
I'm sure a lot of the artists found their work being crushed to a few hundred pixels high frustrating.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
idk. I finished the game on ps5 and I never noticed bad textures... Maybe I just dont focus on this stuff but overall picture
ZywyPL
Banned
LMFAO yes they do, in fact that's exactly where all the details are, go play any modern game on PC, turn the textures to the lowest possible setting, then look yourself in the mirror and say that the game looks good, I dare you.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Let it go man. Enough people have quoted me on this.
Few bad textures happen in every game. It still looks good....
ZywyPL
Banned
I'm talking about textures in general, not just those few very-low-res ones that are present in every title as soon as you walk down from the main path. And this is greatly seen on PC where just cranking up the textures, along with native res, makes the games look do much better than pn consoles even when all the other settings match. Because realistically, polygons and textures are the very base of computer graphics, you screw either of the two and no shading or lightning will be able to mask it
Dust-by-Monday
Member
I think realistic lighting is way more important for making the game look good. Textures don't really need to be crazy good. Just good enough.
op22
Member
I used to think realistic lighting was a problem. Adobe exists because Photoshop helps photographers undo the damage done by realistic lighting to photos taken after the golden hour. Realistic lighting sucks most of the time for photographers. It seemed like a fun problem for programmers, but made games look worse most of time for players actually playing the game and who haven't taken a photography class. Cyberpunk seems to have solved the problem though with the ability to move time to whenever lighting is optimal for a given scenario.
op22
Member
I think the first time I hated realistic lighting was when I thought I found the perfect screenshot of an angel statue outside a safehouse in Division 2, but when I moved to a spot that captured the entire statue, the lighting changed because the sun moved to a position that made the statue look very dark and hid all the details. It reminded me of when I thought I had the perfect picture for a photography class of a statue of Einstein but had to wait until some girl scouts moved out of the way for their group photo and it looked like complete crap just a few minutes later. Another example is in an article about a Wolfenstein mod with more realistic lighting. In the original, they showed a typical yellowish/brownish dark dungeon room with a machine conducting a blueish electrical shock. In the "improved" version, the shock creates a blueish room with a blue/white shock. The scenario is now just shades of black and blue. The creepy, electrical shock that stood apart from the browns and yellows no longer stood out. But it was realistic. In Cyberpunk, areas look wildly different depending on time of day.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Both have their pros and cons. The way I see it though, there's a limit to how good baked lighting can get and we're going to need ray tracing to take us to that next level going forward. If devs want to bake in some aspects on top of RT that's fine. There's a reason why RT is used in cgi.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Much of the te texture quality was fixed with the native ps5 version
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
I've been reading the comments and the people quoting you were telling you how wrong you are but ok ..
Dust-by-Monday
Member
As good as modern cameras are, they don’t capture exactly what our eyes are. That’s why the photos need to be edited to bring out the colors, contrast and dynamic range. A snapshot hardly ever looks like how the scene looked to your actual eyes.
That’s why looking through the lens of a DSLR looks great and then the photo looks completely different. It’s up to the person editing to bring back all that color and contrast that’s missing and even then it doesn’t look as good.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The lighting in horizon forbidden West is atrocious at times and absolutely gobsmacking gorgeous the rest of the time. Desert looks like shit. Jungle looks like the best graphics ever approaching even avatar which is a next Gen only trailer that’s very likely prerendered. Indoor lighting is bland at best and looks ps3 quality in its lack of bounce lighting. That’s weird because the first game had some gorgeous visuals inside the cauldrons. It’s almost like they downgraded that aspect of the lighting to get the rest of the game to look good.
Cutscene lighting always looks good. Night time, some of the more bland areas without trees and foliage and rain makes the game looks just ugly. Maybe it’s the art style but i have to compare the desert levels to the ue5 valley of the ancient demo because that is proof that games in that drab brown yellow setting can look good. Gg is too artistically proficient to ship a game that has several sections that look that drab and ugly. Whenever its night time i just go to a shelter and skip yo day time. That’sa shame because HFW looked incredible in night time.
They must have had a different lighting engine at some point because the reveal trailer featured some of these areas and they looked stunning. The desert lighting was completely different. The underwater lighting was far better with more sunlight penetration and a bigger draw distance. So it has to be the lighting because they seem to be using that in real-time cutscenes which look like the reveal trailer in every environment under any lighting condition.
Cutscene lighting always looks good. Night time, some of the more bland areas without trees and foliage and rain makes the game looks just ugly. Maybe it’s the art style but i have to compare the desert levels to the ue5 valley of the ancient demo because that is proof that games in that drab brown yellow setting can look good. Gg is too artistically proficient to ship a game that has several sections that look that drab and ugly. Whenever its night time i just go to a shelter and skip yo day time. That’sa shame because HFW looked incredible in night time.
They must have had a different lighting engine at some point because the reveal trailer featured some of these areas and they looked stunning. The desert lighting was completely different. The underwater lighting was far better with more sunlight penetration and a bigger draw distance. So it has to be the lighting because they seem to be using that in real-time cutscenes which look like the reveal trailer in every environment under any lighting condition.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Jungle area is amazing in this game. It's like they kept the best until the very end of the game. And that Starts Wars looking forest with giant pine trees, also super pretty. The only thing that breaks it are screen space reflections in puddles. Extremely ugly looking. Some basic RT implementation would do wonders here.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Horizon was sooo close to being a convincing early current gen showpiece but it's awful streaming just kept reminding me that it was heavily designed around PS4. I could even forgive the inconsistent lighting but the LOD system needs so much work, to the point where it would be better if certain assets remained unloaded during traversal. It's still a beautiful game of course but I'd be lying if I said the pop-in doesn't break the immersion illusion.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yep, the PS4 limitations on the GPU budget and the RAM budget really hold back the PS5 version.
The gif above I made from the DF video which features a lot of stunning areas, but it still has a lot of areas that have these really poor LODs in distant objects.
It's like Aloy has poor eye sight which blurs out everything in the distance thats not all foliage.
Unreal Engine 5's Valley of the Ancient demo doesnt have this problem. The detail in the distance is preserved.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
TLOU Remake running on PS5 (Sarah Death Scene)
https://imgur.io/a/DJmxSZp
Still not convinced,
SlimySnake
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https://imgur.io/a/DJmxSZp
Still not convinced,
SlimySnake
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Lethal01
Member
What is this showing?
ChiefDada
Gold Member
This is footage from the PS5 remake. I apologize to everyone for not inserting Spoiler tag initially. Wasn't considering those who have not played original TLOU.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It still looks like TLOU2 lmao.TLOU Remake running on PS5 (Sarah Death Scene)
https://imgur.io/a/DJmxSZp
Still not convinced,
vs
Next gen bar has been raised by Epic. ND is literally a gen behind. Maybe they will make a comeback with TLOU3 but that game is probably not coming out till 2026-2027. Factions is 99% built on the same PS4 engine.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Im not the only one. Your other thread is full of people saying the same thing.
Im curious to know what you see in this game that makes it looks so much better than TLOU2? They are using the same assets, character models, textures, lighting, and well, the engine as TLOU2. It's not like Spiderman Miles that used different character models, better hair quality, ray traced reflections and way higher NPC counts on the PS5. This is 1:1 TLOU2.
HFW character models look just as good if not better thanks to the incredible lighting upgrade. TLOU Part 1 is using the same lighting model as TLOU2. ND didnt even bother upgrading that engine for their new game despite not being constrained by last gen hardware like GG was.
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Lethal01
Member
IF this is meant to showcase the remake being a huge upgrade over the original then you are honestly doing a terrible job.
I didn't even realize it was the PS5 version.
Anyway, can't wait to see a game with Forbidden West level foliage and Unreal 5 demo level Geo
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Lumpyoatmeal
Member
These videogames really need physics badly. The character and the world looks like detailed textured clay with color, there’s really nothing moving in the frames. Her bows look like one clay object with no physics, her bags notta (the bag getting contact from her forearm is nonexistent), and obvious clipping. This is what I’m still expecting to improve (these developers teased us with physics in the Samaritan and Agni Philosophy demo almost a decade ago) with the next wave of big budget videogames using software technology built for today’s/tomorrow hardware.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
I was just playing in desert thinking how average it all looks
GymWolf
Member
Dude you are not gonna convince anyone with 2 functional eyes that tlou1 remake is a big jump over tlou2, no matter how much you try.Lol I'm going to bed.
Looking better than 95% of games on the market doesn't mean shit because tlou2 already does that.
ZywyPL
Banned
Lol I'm going to bed.
Where/how does it exactly look any better than TLOU2? It's the exact same engine, even some character models are borrowed from the sequel, and it's not even a clip from gameplay but a cut-scene... All in all, it's just yet another cross-gen title that's decided to not to be released on PS4 to be artificially labeled as "next-gen only".
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This game shows why this gen is far from its peak.
Nothing in HFW is vastly superior on PS5 compared to the PS4 port, except Aloy which is a clear leap in terms of materials, skin, geometry, textures. It's like Guerrilla had only time to focus on Aloy to show what they can do on PS5.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Both nostalgia and very bad quality of the leaked PS5 scene are clouding people's vision.
This is TLOU2, trust me it's not as grand as you remembered it to be. I would know, I just finished playing through it a third time.
Even compared to subpar quality screens they are obviously inferior.
I'm sure once DF explains why the remake is such a giant leap people will suddenly come to their senses.
This is TLOU2, trust me it's not as grand as you remembered it to be. I would know, I just finished playing through it a third time.
Even compared to subpar quality screens they are obviously inferior.
I'm sure once DF explains why the remake is such a giant leap people will suddenly come to their senses.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Both nostalgia and very bad quality of the leaked PS5 scene are clouding people's vision.
This is TLOU2, trust me it's not as grand as you remembered it to be. I would know, I just finished playing through it a third time.
Even compared to subpar quality screens they are obviously inferior.
I'm sure once DF explains why the remake is such a giant leap people will suddenly come to their senses.
You're comparing cutscene to a gameplay shot.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol cutscene vs gameplay? really?
This is what TLOU2 looks like in cutscenes.
All they have done is bring TLOU Part 1 to Part 2's standards. Maybe you should replay TLOU2.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
These are both taken from cutscenes in TLOU. Still the lighting isn't comparable. Nt in the same league
You can't blame me for the awful video quality, but lol at the bolded.
mrMUR_96
Member
Horizon FW is the most inconsistent looking game I've ever played. The indirect lighting and ambient shadowing, especially indoors looks awful and there's loads of textures and materials that look like they belong on ps3.
Lethal01
Member
These are both taken from cutscenes in TLOU. Still the lighting isn't comparable. Nt in the same league
You can't blame me for the awful video quality, but lol at the bolded.
What huge jump are you seeing in the lighting compared to part 2?
Yeah whenever I look at videos of it I think the same. Some of it looks like the best graphics ever, and some looks worse than the original. The desert areas in particular looked better in the first game.
I'd been holding off buying it until they fixed the performance mode(s), but I'm really not sure I can be bothered with it at all now. The first game was pretty boring, really.
I think I might just get Deathloop instead, which looks more impressive graphically, from what I've seen, plus a much more interesting game.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Subsurface scattering, specular lighting, volumetric effects, shadows... it is a completely different lighting setup
GymWolf
Member
Lethal01
Member
Lethal01
Member
I'm not even saying the game looks terrible, I thought the goal was to bring it to Part 2 quality and they acheived that.
But saying it's on a whole other level than part 2 is crazy.