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PS4 sold "more than twice as many" units as Xbox One, new court papers show

TGO

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what year is it GIF
Why?
do you really want a updated version?
 
The Xbox One sold really well at first but it had no pace at all and had completely lost all it's momentum by the mid point of the generation. Not surprising that the PS4 sold at least 2x what the XB1 sold. Before they came up with Gamepass it really was looking like they were about to give up completely.

Sony stopped making PS4s too soon in my estimation, if they had cut the price and kept producing it a little bit longer it could've sold well in the last few years with all the crossgen games.
 
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Mr Moose

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Thought it was over 2x WW?
It is.
having sold more than twice as many Xbox [One units] in the last generation
Eurogamer title is incorrect.
And that quote is weird, it is saying Xbox One sold twice as many lol. It should be something like "Sony has surpassed Microsoft in terms of console sales and installed [sic] base, having sold more than twice as many as the Xbox [One units] in the last generation".
 
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Sosokrates

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They've put out more games though. It's like Microsoft is banking on their publisher purchases. The first year of the Series consoles were barren as the Sahara and only GamePass is keeping them relevant.

So what you said was completely false....

Less games, does not equal = non existent,and you know it.
Microsofts acquisitions are ms first party, same as with sony. Lets not create double standards for one company but not the other.
 

ReBurn

Gold Member
Yeah, Sony has just been more consistent, but Xbox will improve in that area as their studios pump out more content. Last year was the best year for Xbox in quite a while.
I really hope they get the games flowing soon. If they would have ramped up first party output when Xbox One X first dropped I think they probably could have finished last gen stronger and rolled into this one with much more momentum.
 

Dolodolo

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The same reasons playstation gained double the insallbase of Xbox.

  • Games
  • Hardware
  • Services
  • Marketing

If the xbox one sold 50million with its issues, imagine how much better the series consoles will do. And some of those customers will be PS4 customers.
https://www.eurogamer.net/ps4-sold-twice-as-many-units-as-xbox-one-new-court-papers-show


Microsoft also details its deliberate decision to "mov[e] away from a strategy of 'device-centric' business towards a more consumer-centric" or "gamer-centric" service, like its subscription.
It also specifically uses the term "console wars", intimating that "due to brand loyalty", Xbox is unlikely to compete successfully with Sony's hardware even in the next/current-gen cycle as "PlayStation will continue to have a strong market position".


I'm glad you believe in Xbox so much because they don't seem to have much faith in themselves.
 

Trunim

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Ought to be the same this gen, but Microsoft hyped and fooled everyone by buying all these studios. It'll probably bite them back because they haven't released anything worthy and keeps telling us next year will be their year. Even their flagship Starfield looks mediocre after the latest show.
 
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ZoukGalaxy

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Well, maybe it's because:

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Well, that's only a guess from a friend with an uncle working for Nintendo who has a friend with an uncle working for Sony who has a friend with an uncle working for Microsoft.

Take it with a grain of salt please.

Cheers.
 
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Dolodolo

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Ought to be the same this gen, but Microsoft hyped and fooled everyone by buying all these studios. It'll probably bite them back because they haven't released anything worthy and keeps telling us next year will be their year. Even their flagship Starfield looks mediocre after the latest show.
People on the forums are promoting Starfield so much, although on YouTube the gameplay gained only 3 million views in almost two months

At the same time, the GOW 30 seconds ad has already gained 10 million views
 
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Sosokrates

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https://www.eurogamer.net/ps4-sold-twice-as-many-units-as-xbox-one-new-court-papers-show


Microsoft also details its deliberate decision to "mov[e] away from a strategy of 'device-centric' business towards a more consumer-centric" or "gamer-centric" service, like its subscription.
It also specifically uses the term "console wars", intimating that "due to brand loyalty", Xbox is unlikely to compete successfully with Sony's hardware even in the next/current-gen cycle as "PlayStation will continue to have a strong market position".


I'm glad you believe in Xbox so much because they don't seem to have much faith in themselves.

Are you seriously using the court agrument as somthing to strengthen your opinion?

Microsoft have been saying everything they can to make Xbox and COD appear weaker so the acti-blizz deal goes through.
I dont believe in xbox or playstation they are just names, I believe in market realities, the zenimax acquisition is a reality, Ms intending to aquire acti-blizz in the largest deal in the history of the industry... is a reality, Microsoft creating quality hardware is a reality, Microsoft having the best sub service is a reality, Microsoft having there gaming platform connected and available through console, PC and cloud over home and portable devices is a reality.

They are delivering.

And the product is what matters.
 

Robb

Gold Member
although on YouTube the gameplay gained only 3 million views in almost two months
Don’t really get this fascination with YouTube views personally. How strong is the correlation to actual sales/interest? Do we have any data?

Animal Crossing had like 4M views on its reveal trailer, sold around 40M copies. Meanwhile Spider-Man has tens of millions of views yet Miles-Morales have ‘only’ sold around 8M (?), despite being multiplatform. Same with R&C Rift Apart which has a reveal trailer of 6M views but sales are only around 1M from what I can tell.

Doesn’t seem like a very good indicator.
 
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ChorizoPicozo

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...I believe in market realities, the zenimax acquisition is a reality, Ms intending to aquire acti-blizz in the largest deal in the history of the industry... is a reality, Microsoft creating quality hardware is a reality, Microsoft having the best sub service is a reality, Microsoft having there gaming platform connected and available through console, PC and cloud over home and portable devices is a reality.

They are delivering.

And the product is what matters.
And you know what is a reality as well?

Microsoft.
 

freefornow

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No one should be surprised by this. Last gen speaks for itself. 792 are a combination of numbers that I will never forget.
What I'd like to know is what numbers did Xbox One X reach? Did the release of this beefed up console generate any momentum for the Xbox going into this generation?
 

blacktout

Member
Thought it was over 2x WW?

Yeah, I don't know why, because it clearly wasn't based on actual data, but I had it in my head that it was closer to 3:1 and that X1 was closer to 40 million.

It's funny how often we have ideas in our heads that we think are informed that are actually just some bullshit that our brains conjured from nothing. Mandela Effect shit.
 

Three

Member
The same reasons playstation gained double the insallbase of Xbox.

  • Games
  • Hardware
  • Services
  • Marketing

If the xbox one sold 50million with its issues, imagine how much better the series consoles will do. And some of those customers will be PS4 customers.
"Its issues", what issues? you mean no second hand sales, online DRM and weaker hardware? Isn't that what Series S pretty much is now? It's just marketing in your list that's different. If anything XB1 games were better and more abundant and it had the same services.

Anyway I guess this court case just means more things we already knew being brought up again.
 
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Three

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No one should be surprised by this. Last gen speaks for itself. 792 are a combination of numbers that I will never forget.
What I'd like to know is what numbers did Xbox One X reach? Did the release of this beefed up console generate any momentum for the Xbox going into this generation?
What's 792?
People were banking on Xbox One X becoming the lower tier next gen machine with continued support and sales but proper support and momentum was short lived and sales likely much lower than 10M.
 

GametimeUK

Member
I was a fan of the 360 between 2006 and 2010. Microsoft just went so far downhill from there and especially with the Xbox One. I understand why the PS4 absolutely dominated last generation, but Microsoft have miraculously won back mindshare from me this generation. They are in a much better place I hope things go better for them this gen.

Xbox One was just dreadful and utterly forgettable.
 

ReBurn

Gold Member
2023 will be Xbox's year.
The last time I made that joke the mods gave me a 3 month warning for "infantile" console warring even though Xbox is my preferred place to play. I'm not convinced 2023 will be Xbox's year. They have all of these studios and haven't been able to get as much out the door as I had hoped. I'm betting 2024 is when they'll get a consistent cadence going. Until then they'll rely on dumping Activision's back catalog to Gamepass to keep the machine fed.
 

Sosokrates

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"Its issues", what issues? you mean no second hand sales, online DRM and weaker hardware? Isn't that what Series S pretty much is now? It's just marketing in your list that's different. If anything XB1 games were better and more abundant and it had the same services.

Anyway I guess this court case just means more things we already knew being brought up again.
Lol, you're only forgetting a little thing... Like the SeriesX... It completely mitigates the weaker hardware of the SeriesS and being online only.
Also during the xbox one gen , Microsoft had a small set of first party studios compared to sony, which is not the case anymore.

So no, its bot just marketing lol, its frankly embarrassing for u that you are trying so obviously gaslight.

And so far xbox games released since the seriesS/X have scored better then xbox one exclusives during the same time in there lifecycles.
 
Amazing gen for sony. If only the ps4 pro wasnt a piece of shit with the fan noise. Ms totally out- engineered Sony in that case with the one X. Too bad the games werent there.
Sony swiftly corrected with the behemoth ps5 though. Still silent after almost 2 years.
 

Three

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Lol, you're only forgetting a little thing... Like the SeriesX... It completely mitigates the weaker hardware of the SeriesS and being online only.
Also during the xbox one gen , Microsoft had a small set of first party studios compared to sony, which is not the case anymore.

So no, its bot just marketing lol, its frankly embarrassing for u that you are trying so obviously gaslight.

And so far xbox games released since the seriesS/X have scored better then xbox one exclusives during the same time in there lifecycles.
But the Series S is the main seller and what you are attributing to the better sales just in your next post. The xbox one didn't really have 'issues' in terms of games, services or hardware. The only thing I would agree on in your list is marketing. Series launch of games have been baron even compared to xbox one. I'm not here talking about studios but games so suggesting I'm gaslighting anyone for saying xbox one had more games is ludicrous when you're the one future promising. With xbox one by this time in the gen we had Killer Instinct, Quantum Break, Dead Rising 3, FH2, FM5, Halo MCC, Ryse, Titanfall, Rare replay so on and so forth. Now we have had barely anything and you can't convince me otherwise, I don't care what review score Halo Infinite got, I'd even chalk that up in the same category as marketing. Review scores are just that to me.
 

Neofire

Member
And Microsoft still challenging sony. Impressive.
Being worth almost 2 trillion is the reason. Anyone can look at MS's history and see how they operate as to why they are still fighting. Had Sony or Nintendo kept repeatedly taking billion dollar losses each year for two generations they would have tapped out by now given their sizes.

Xbox has an engine (windows) behind it that prints money.
 

Sosokrates

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Amazing gen for sony. If only the ps4 pro wasnt a piece of shit with the fan noise. Ms totally out- engineered Sony in that case with the one X. Too bad the games werent there.
Sony swiftly corrected with the behemoth ps5 though. Still silent after almost 2 years.

My PS5 is better then the pro but still loud as shit compared to my XSX, also requiring a stand is such a moronic design, sandy munroe would be pissed, I bet having stand probably cost more then just having a rectangular base.
 

graywolf323

Gold Member
that's actually better than we previously knew? Xbox One was closer to 60m which means it really recovered well later in the gen which really is credit to the work Phil Spencer did post 2016
No sonys first party is nearly nonexistent.
really trying to earn your tag back?
 
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Sosokrates

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But the Series S is the main seller and what you are attributing to the better sales just in your next post. The xbox one didn't really have 'issues' in terms of games, services or hardware. The only thing I would agree on in your list is marketing. Series launch of games have been baron even compared to xbox one. I'm not here talking about studios but games so suggesting I'm gaslighting anyone for saying xbox one had more games is ludicrous when you're the one future promising. With xbox one by this time in the gen we had Killer Instinct, Quantum Break, Dead Rising 3, FH2, FM5, Halo MCC, Ryse, Titanfall, Rare replay so on and so forth. Now we have had barely anything and you can't convince me otherwise, I don't care what review score Halo Infinite got, I'd even chalk that up in the same category as marketing. Review scores are just that to me.

I never said the seriesS is the only thing attributing to better sales.

"The xbox one didn't really have 'issues' in terms of games, services or hardware."

Apart from services, everything else is just not true, apart from forza the X1 didnt get any 90+ games and i think gears 5 is the only 85+ and several other cross gen games (gen 8+9) that released recently.

The xbox ones hardware was a big deal, it was a main and popular topic for years. Remember resolution gate, grass gate, 1080pr etc etc


Xbox series has had more 85+ games then the xbox one did. Xbox series will have better 2nd half, because there so much more studios and therefore g games, there going to be an indiana jones game, iD's next project, hellblade 2, starfield, that arcane vamp game, fable, perfect dark, gears 6, coalitions other project, compulsion games, everwild, forza Motorsport, plus all there other devs plus acti-blizz, a lot more then what they had during Xbox one.
 

Sosokrates

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Topher

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To be fair Microsoft stopped giving numbers in 2016, across the board for everything except windows 10 installations. Whch were inflated by fored downloads.

So it's not really the XBox One that's the issue here, more the CEO.

Microsoft stopped giving sales numbers for Xbox One because Xbox One sales numbers sucked in comparison with PS4.

Microsoft has been happy to brag about Xbox sales when news has been more positive.
 
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Three

Member
I never said the seriesS is the only thing attributing to better sales.
I never said you said it was the only thing. You certainly implied the series s is a move that is making it sell gangbuster though:

Thats like saying if xbox one had sony first party and was more powerful and the same price it would sell gangbusters.

Sonu didnt do a seriesS like console and therefore wont reap the benefits and negetives, where as Microsoft will.

All I'm saying is that the 'issues' that people say the xbox one had are no different in the series s and that has no problem selling, namely weaker hardware, no second hand sales, online DRM etc. IMO the xbox one didn't have the issues you mention with "hardware", "services" or "games" in comparison to a series s. The major thing I would attribute it to doing better than the One is the price and marketing but mainly cheap price.
 
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