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The Last of Us Part 1 - PlayStation 5 - The Digital Foundry Tech Review

I think they wanted to just about match TLOU2 and that’s why it looks like a PS4 game. Now both games look very similar. If they made tlou1 massively better looking than TLOU2, then they’d have to remake TLOU2 for continuity
No they wouldn't lol since part 2 already looks excellent. Sorry but that's just silly especially since they're charging $70.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
But did they change anything?
Hospital scene for example?
 

Hobbygaming

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Wheres the "I cant see the difference" crowd?

It's oddly silent in here....
Nicolas Cage Laughing GIF
They're ashamed of themselves

arrested development hiding GIF
 
Wheres the "I cant see the difference" crowd?

It's oddly silent in here....
Nicolas Cage Laughing GIF
Literally NOBODY was saying it wasn't a difference over the original or even LoU Remastered. If there were people saying that then their opinion wasn't worth a damn to begin with.

What people HAVE ACTUALLY been saying is that it doesn't look better than LoU2 and/or that the improvements are not worthy of $70. Your comment is about as disingenuous as theirs trying to frame things that way. You know whose been quiet today? The people swearing how it looks "better than 2" or that "it's the best looking next gen game" or that "it looks like a ps5 game" because now we know it's identical to LoU2 graphically/asset-wise/lighting etc etc
 

Kenneth Haight

Gold Member
Glad I saved my £70

No offence to people, but anyone who paid £70 for this who already played the remaster is an absolute clown of the highest order. Do what you want with your money but bloody hell, there are loads of other games out there.

Can’t help but feel nuaghty dog could have spent this time making something a bit more interesting. Move on now from this franchise until part 3 in ten years. No need to touch this apart from factions for the foreseeable.
 

M1987

Member
Literally NOBODY was saying it wasn't a difference over the original or even LoU Remastered. If there were people saying that then their opinion wasn't worth a damn to begin with.

What people HAVE ACTUALLY been saying is that it doesn't look better than LoU2 and/or that the improvements are not worthy of $70. Your comment is about as disingenuous as theirs trying to frame things that way. You know whose been quiet today? The people swearing how it looks "better than 2" or that "it's the best looking next gen game" or that "it looks like a ps5 game" because now we know it's identical to LoU2 graphically/asset-wise/lighting etc etc
I have seen quite a few comments saying they couldn't tell a difference,or that it didn't look that much better than the remaster
 
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yamaci17

Member
Why native 1440p. FFS !!

1080p/25 and throw everything at making the game look as good as possible.

1080p/25 - Fidelity
1080p/50 - Performance
1080p nowadays look like dogshit with temporal anti aliasing

taa needs a minimum of 1440p to look somewhat "decent". this is why devs started to throw out weird instagram-sharpener-filters to make their games more bareable with TAA
 

Kenneth Haight

Gold Member
There really aren't, bud
There really are. I find it hard to believe that people are so starved or don’t have any backlog that they are wiling to fork out £70 for this.

Hey, I spend money on stupid shit all the time. I’m not judging anybody. I’m just saying this remake in my opinion is a wee bit needless. No harm to anyone who enjoys it. I love that game. Platinumed the remaster. Sonys practices are bullshit recently, that’s coming from a solely PS5 gamer at the minute. They’re still winning for sure but they’re not doing anything to impress me at present. They don’t necessarily need to though. But the next few years for both MS and Sony and it’s going to be entertaining if nothing else.
 
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Ellery

Member
1080p nowadays look like dogshit with temporal anti aliasing

taa needs a minimum of 1440p to look somewhat "decent". this is why devs started to throw out weird instagram-sharpener-filters to make their games more bareable with TAA

No worries mate I was just bantering a bit.

I think everything should be native 4K including Nintendo and calculators or a technical equivalent of same quality DLSS/FSR. I would love a crisp crisp crisp 4K 60fps title to be honest.

All TVs are 4K now. Not sure about others but I can easily see the difference in games like Demon's Souls performance/quality mode. I think it is a pretty sizeable difference actually, but I love that 60fps feel of gameplay so much more that I inevitably choose performance and it will be the same for TLOU Remake.
 
There really are. I find it hard to believe that people are so starved or don’t have any backlog that they are wiling to fork out £70 for this.

Hey, I spend money on stupid shit all the time. I’m not judging anybody. I’m just saying this remake in my opinion is a wee bit needless. No harm to anyone who enjoys it. I love that game. Platinumed the remaster. Sonys practices are bullshit recently, that’s coming from a solely PS5 gamer at the minute. They’re still winning for sure but they’re not doing anything to impress me at present. They don’t necessarily need to though. But the next few years for both MS and Sony and it’s going to be entertaining if nothing else.

I'd rather play a $70 remake of a game like this then...pretty much any new game released in the last few months

my backlog includes a lot of stuff, and I just don't want to play any of it.
 

Vick

Gold Member

Those shadows at 13:00 though..

Mother of God. Not even PS5 can save Naughty Dog from their hilarious struggle with direct shadows.
They seriously need to revamp their engine in this regard because that shit is unacceptable no matter how you look at it. You simply can't have the worst kind of PS2 shadows in a PS5 game, someone please share that bit with ND to put some fire under their asses as they deserve it if they thought that's even remotely acceptable.

That was also the most charming looking Chapter in the original to me.
 
Those shadows at 13:00 though..

Mother of God. Not even PS5 can save Naughty Dog from their hilarious struggle with direct shadows.
They seriously need to revamp their engine in this regard because that shit is unacceptable no matter how you look at it. You simply can't have the worst kind of PS2 shadows in a PS5 game, someone please share that bit with ND to put some fire under their asses as they deserve it if they thought that's even remotely acceptable.

That was also the most charming looking Chapter in the original to me.
I was worried about this because their shadows looked awful at times in UC4 remaster and LoU2. This is totally unacceptable on ps5.
 

You gotta hold onto something even if it's miniscule ..I get it. Yeah it looks better ...slightly ..but as Jon pointed out that is at 2160p vs 1440p. Even if it looks clearly better are you going to be happy with that if it turns out to be the only improvement over part 2? Because right now it's not looking good for your argument that the "lighting is a generational difference". Will you admit it if after you play the game if there really are no other improvements over 2?

Textures, lighting, shadows, materials, assets you thought was all better than 2, right?
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Yeah so where is the PS5 version of TLOU2? It seems weird to make one for TLOU1 but not 2. So now part 2 is the inferior experience hah

For real though. I want a native PS5 version of TLOU2 badly.


I think The Last of Us Director's Cut would be harder to sell because the game was released just over 2 years ago.

Because of this, I'm going to make a prediction and say that The Last of Us Part II Director's Cut will come with The Fraction's 2 Multiplayer Beta.
 

Hunnybun

Member
No worries mate I was just bantering a bit.

I think everything should be native 4K including Nintendo and calculators or a technical equivalent of same quality DLSS/FSR. I would love a crisp crisp crisp 4K 60fps title to be honest.

All TVs are 4K now. Not sure about others but I can easily see the difference in games like Demon's Souls performance/quality mode. I think it is a pretty sizeable difference actually, but I love that 60fps feel of gameplay so much more that I inevitably choose performance and it will be the same for TLOU Remake.

I've found the difference between 1440p and 4k rather mercurial tbh.

I've got a 65" OLED and at about 5ft away I can tell the difference quite clearly. Not enough to choose 30fps but certainly enough to resent the trade off.

But at 6ft I can barely tell any difference at all. Even with vanilla 1440p and no reconstruction.

I'm not sure if that's true for others, but that would be my advice for people who struggle with 1440p: just move a bit further away and you might find the issue disappears.
 

sachos

Member
Wow, the negativity in here. I thought it was an amazing video by John, the comparisson starting around the 13 min mark is especially great. The AI section by the end is revelatory too, the AI seems way more natural in the Remake. Its disappointing the load times are so slow, when other Sony first party open world games load in sub 2 seconds. I guess they will talk about that when Olive releases the performance video.
 

Raonak

Banned
Wow, that's a substantial visual upgrade. The lighting especially is amazing.

I love the dynamic carpet!

Probably gonna wait for a price drop if I can resist
 
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DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
Literally NOBODY was saying it wasn't a difference over the original or even LoU Remastered. If there were people saying that then their opinion wasn't worth a damn to begin with.

What people HAVE ACTUALLY been saying is that it doesn't look better than LoU2 and/or that the improvements are not worthy of $70. Your comment is about as disingenuous as theirs trying to frame things that way. You know whose been quiet today? The people swearing how it looks "better than 2" or that "it's the best looking next gen game" or that "it looks like a ps5 game" because now we know it's identical to LoU2 graphically/asset-wise/lighting etc etc

Glad I saved my £70

No offence to people, but anyone who paid £70 for this who already played the remaster is an absolute clown of the highest order. Do what you want with your money but bloody hell, there are loads of other games out there.

Can’t help but feel nuaghty dog could have spent this time making something a bit more interesting. Move on now from this franchise until part 3 in ten years. No need to touch this apart from factions for the foreseeable.

Justify that TV expense. Watch 15 seconds of this video (timestamped 8:43 if it doesn't work)



All this nails it.

But, loads of people will fall for it and give Sony their 70 pounds and send the message that this is all OK and they can continue to do it. That's fine if you want but let's see how sales work out in the long run.

Have we had sales updates for the big exclusives this gen?

Demons souls
Ratchet and clank
Gran turismo 7
Horizon
Returnal

I'm interested if Sony have disclosed sales numbers for the big ps5 games yet and how the price tag is affecting them.
 

sncvsrtoip

Member
No, it’s a re make. As in re-made. The last of us hasn’t been re-made. It has a new coat of paint. The majority of the game logic is the same as stated in the article.

The Last of Us Part 1 - as complete a remake as you could hope for​

Nobody sayt its remade, its remake, as stated in the article.
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
All this nails it.

But, loads of people will fall for it and give Sony their 70 pounds and send the message that this is all OK and they can continue to do it. That's fine if you want but let's see how sales work out in the long run.

Have we had sales updates for the big exclusives this gen?

Demons souls
Ratchet and clank
Gran turismo 7
Horizon
Returnal

I'm interested if Sony have disclosed sales numbers for the big ps5 games yet and how the price tag is affecting them.

😂 so now the argument is about a remake of TLoU 1 looks in comparison to TLoU 2 (tons of people were adamant it did not look better than the remaster of the first game btw, but let’s ignore that).
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
😂 so now the argument is about a remake of TLoU 1 looks in comparison to TLoU 2 (tons of people were adamant it did not look better than the remaster of the first game btw, but let’s ignore that).
All I remember is seeing posts that it should be on ps4 as it looks no different than last of us 2. I think even I was saying I don't get why its not on ps4 as it looks like it's just been dropped into last of us 2 engine.

Then we get a digital Foundry that says it's 1440p and 60 fps no real difference to last of us 2 if at the same resolution and that loading times are still slow compared to other ps5 games. If this isn't a last minute shoe horn from ps4 code into ps5 dev environment then, well.....I guess we can be sold anything for 70.

It's just not worth the money but I admit it looks great. I want it. Just not at 70. I'll pick it up on disk used.
 
No, it’s a re make. As in re-made. The last of us hasn’t been re-made. It has a new coat of paint. The majority of the game logic is the same as stated in the article.
This isn't the case though (and I agree the game doesn't look next gen or indeed PS5 only as it could run on a base PS4). It's using a lot of the more advanced AI from TLOU2 which fundamentally changes the game.

Also it now uses motion matching so the animations blend and alter better as well. It's basically TLOU2 tech used for TLOU, could more have been done? Of course, bigger environments to accommodate the better AI, the full improved movemenof system of TLOU2 as well.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
All I remember is seeing posts that it should be on ps4 as it looks no different than last of us 2. I think even I was saying I don't get why its not on ps4 as it looks like it's just been dropped into last of us 2 engine.

Then we get a digital Foundry that says it's 1440p and 60 fps no real difference to last of us 2 if at the same resolution and that loading times are still slow compared to other ps5 games. If this isn't a last minute shoe horn from ps4 code into ps5 dev environment then, well.....I guess we can be sold anything for 70.

It's just not worth the money but I admit it looks great. I want it. Just not at 70. I'll pick it up on disk used.

I want to see proper review of the final code, I personally think it looks great and on PS5 it now forms a good continuous movie like experience in two parts.
As much as they wanted to improve TLoU Part I I think the point was not to make it look much much better what TLoU Part II looks like when played on PS5 (there is a reasonable point about wanting players to experience a single unified long shot across two parts… not what I expect from a PS5 exclusive, but it does make sense too and it will still have some enhancements) and making it PS5 only allowed them to reduce scope which makes sense.

(the title was likely not to at cheap to make as you need analyse and remake and refine the entire first game, if you think this is a simple mod of TLoU 2 game I think you are selling ND very short and it is unfair… I dislike Druckman a fair bit, I think he pushed Amy out of ND and their games are now mono-thematic creatively, but being unfair to the entire studio and pushing this narrative out I think it is uncalled for).
 
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Have we had sales updates for the big exclusives this gen?

Demons souls
Ratchet and clank
Gran turismo 7
Horizon
Returnal

I'm interested if Sony have disclosed sales numbers for the big ps5 games yet and how the price tag is affecting them.

Non bundled games are in 0.5 - 1 million range.
 
Based on what i've seen so far. Yes.
Only thing Tlou part 2 better than this remake is animation. And overall mood and color choice.
I'm talking about graphic not gameplay btw.
The environments are bigger in TLOU2, the character models in cutscenes are similar but in game TLOU2 doesn't use the same cutscene model like Part 1 does. So I'd say its not really a win either way, it's certainly not warranting a PS5 only release (PC as well).
 

FingerBang

Member
HOLY SHIT, THAT GOALPOST IS MOVING! HOLD IT DOWN!

Seriously, great video from DF. Love the in dept comparison and got to say, I'm impressed at how great this looks.

I'll happily replay it for the right price, probably on PC since I have a Deck coming. Everybody else should stop pretending this game won't be half price in less than 6 months. Your green tail is showing!
 

Wohc

Banned
I'm surprised by the offers for this game in Germany:

Controller + Game = 99 Euro. That's actually not too bad.
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius

A contentious release for many, with Naughty Dog remaking a PlayStation 3 classic that always has an impressive PS4 Pro version that runs beautifully on PS5... so what's actually different with The Last of Us Part 1? What we're actually looking at here is a comprehensive revamp of the game's visuals and immersiveness with many intriguing changes, upgrades, revamps and improvements. John Linneman has the full story in an expansive 50-minute edit.


  • Naughty has remade every inch of the games assets
  • Both DLCs including
  • fedelity mode native 4k 30fps
  • Performance 1440p 60fps (every shot counted was 1440p)
  • Visual settings identical in both modes
  • Using 120fps on PS5 can offer 40fps mode in fedelity
  • Using VRR in performance mode can result in higher then 60fps
  • Cutscenes are realtime on PS5(not pre rendered video like on PS3+PS4)
  • New character models have sub surface scatering, along with everything else being far more detailed and more natural, less stylised
  • Indoor Indirect lighting much improved
  • Improved shadws with getting more diffuse at the end of the shadow, not on par with RT shadows.
  • Folded up carpets on the ground will react to players footsteps
  • Froxel alligned volumetric lighting used far more generously
  • Fire emits light on PS5, without the trickery used in PS4 version
  • Lights effect the general volumetric lighting of the scene
  • Opening escape scene crowd has modified behaviour, they don't photobomb the camera
  • Increased volumetric fog
  • Water has been overhauled, it uses geometric ripples and foam, along with high res hand placed cube maps, much improved over the original game.
  • SSR also used on water
  • Some kind of light scattering is simulated when shining your flashlight on the water.
  • Indirect lighting while being pre calculated is still very effective and a big improvement of the remaster.
  • The PS4 remaster does have one advantage, when Joel walks under water particles are generating simulating a splash, this is missing on the PS5 version
  • The ingame character model in photo mode show more detail then TLOU2, however the higher resolution could be the reason.
  • The work done on part 1 is derived from the upgrades TLOU2 brought. They feel similar, cutscenes are comparable quality.
  • Weapons and clothing are very similar, some changes to the weapon models and texturing
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Gameplay

  • Core movement is the same
  • Shooting is now more inline with TLOU2
  • Things like deph of field and motion blur are included in the gunplay for the remake
  • Joel does not have the agility of ellie and abby from TLOU2
  • John says that going prone is not included because the layout and core architecture remains unchanged
  • The clown like behaviour of the A.i in the remake is no more, enemy behave a lot smarter and not so weird.

Audio

Audio has been taken from the original game, sounds similar with a 5.1/7.1 setup, However using headphones provide superior positional audio thanks to PS5s Tempest hardware.

It looks like 60 FPS option at 1440p or 4K at 40 FPS are both interesting ways to play it ;).

It seems like they did an impressive remake, people are thinking that because they brought it similar to TLoU 2 on PS5 patch GFX standards that this is a TLoU 2 mod (or that using an engine makes the game… or what an engine is). Then again people here routinely have a hard on grudge against ND for years so it is difficult to gauge the temperature properly.
 
The environments are bigger in TLOU2, the character models in cutscenes are similar but in game TLOU2 doesn't use the same cutscene model like Part 1 does. So I'd say its not really a win either way, it's certainly not warranting a PS5 only release (PC as well).
Well i just said it looks better. Not saying that it could or couldn't release on ps4.
 

Majormaxxx

Member
Seems they did a lot of work rebuilding everything from scratch and highly improve it, using for many things TLOU2 as reference instead of TLOU1. Big props to Sony Visual Arts Group and ND, as usual they delivered top quality stuff.


Both. Photo mode (screencap in my laptop which has a 1080p screen):
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Yes, the one in the left is prerendered. The one in the right is -like all cutscenes of the remake- in real time.
I think now the ND devs are getting old, jaded, grey and wrinkly, and that is why they enoldened and wrinklified (yes, I made up these words, cancel me) Joel, Tess and Ellie. Yes, even Ellie the 14-year-old, with her youthful collagen, has wrinkles. She is going to need botox in TLOU2.
 

Ellery

Member
I'm surprised by the offers for this game in Germany:

Controller + Game = 99 Euro. That's actually not too bad.

That is actually very good considering the game is 80€ in europe and a Controller is 70€.

Anyone that needs a controller (and those things aren't very good durability quality) could basically get TLOU P1 for 30€~
 
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