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Sony acquires 14.1% of From and Tencent also got 16.3%

Sylvester Stallone Facepalm GIF
It seems a meagre amount though, I'm pretty sure Microsoft wouldn't bother with a small stake in a company but From is a great investment none the less.
 

skneogaf

Member
If MS had From then Bloodborne would never have happened. Simple as that.

We don't know that, I understand the Japan studio was a big part of it but fromsoftware may have made a version of bloodborne all by themselves.

We'll never know obviously, I just really want bloodborne at 4k@60fps or better.
 
I do not get why you would want to have 14% of FROM… it does not protect someone like MS coming in and buying them, it does not give you much control… then again, if both Sony and Tencent did not want MS to get FROM any deal would be dead in the wasted… enemy of my enemy is my friend?


FromSoftware is majority owned by Kadokawa. Kadokawa won't sell From to anyone.

Sony increasing their stake in the studio is just the studio themselves raising funds for their own self-directed business ventures, as while they are majority owned by Kadokawa, they act as a largely independent subsidiary that directs their own future.

People need to stop thinking that every gaming acquisition (partial or otherwise) is about MS or about preventing some other company from swooping in to buy studios or content. It's not.
 
so Sony is making a good investment. not everything is an acquisition.
Lol yeah bro Sony bought 14% of from for the sweet dividends and not a board seat.

EDIT: sony would have bought ten cents shares, and a controlling share if kadakowa was willing to.

This isn't the win for Sony nerds talking about being gamer friendly they think it is.
 
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Infamy v1

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This is great news it Playstation and Tencent and not Microsoft.

Playstaion + FROM soft = a game will be made.
Tencent = a mobile game will be made ( Wouldnt mind a FROM free to play)
Microsoft = a game will be delayed or not released at all or if released its pure shit like what they did to Halo.
COD is the biggest franchise in gaming but i think under Xbox/Phil Spencer, its time at the top will come to an end. Phil is too nice of a guy as leader. Complete opposite to Bobby who got things done.
All i heard is excuses from you for Microsoft's lack of giving a fuck about getting games for Gamepass. Yeah go ahead and blame another company while Gamepass give you shit games.
Then they should have bought Basthesda and Activision for the last 20 years. Its obvious they're going all in this gen in all facets including spending money for influences and publisher of the year. Only thing they didnt go all in is actually releasing exclusives from the 30+ studios they got.
I'm tempted right now. After subscribing to Gamepass as they showel shit my way to play monthly, PS+ is dropping gold ingots quality games.

Who's alt are you 🤭 you don't even try to hide it one iota
 
WTF is wrong with you ppl :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Bruh you guys turn everything into a some Fanboy war shit. We got ppl coming in here spitting some shit about "If Microsoft wanted there's nothing either could do..." WTF are you talking about, this has NOTHING to do with Microsoft. "Sony is desperate" where the hell do you guys pull this kind of thinking out of... some of you really hate these console makers.

Sony/Tencent can only buy what Kodokawa is will to sell. There's a good chance that few entities already tried to "acquire" From, but were turned away. The only thing possible now is a hostile takeover, but that can only happen with buying up shares... shares that can only be bought if offered up.
 
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14 % in the most sucessesfull gaming developer of the year is a huge thing, yes Sony doesn't own a controlling stake so they don't decide anything inside of FromSoftware, but at the way that things are going with mega corps acquiring developers in a weekly basis 14 % is better than nothing for Sony not only they ensure that this games still come for the PS plataforms while also allows then to get a piece of the delicious and lucrative pie wich is FromSoftware.
 
Tencent buys a minority stake in From Software... Tencent also has shares of Kadokawa which has majority shares in From Software
 
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SeraphJan

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So give us some examples then?

Why They Ten Times Suck​

Note: This page will focus on Tencent's involvement in the gaming industry.
  1. Tencent is infamous for copying tons of products from other companies (including its own subsidiaries) and branding them as their own, most notably several MOBA games created under the brand Tencent Games. Examples include Honor of Kings (known as one of the most popular and third highest-grossing video games of all time after Nexon's Dungeon & Fighter Online and Rockstar/Take-Two's Grand Theft Auto V/Grand Theft Auto Online, despite being released only in the Chinese market in 2015) and its international version Arena of Valor, which directly copy several elements from then semi-independent Riot Games' League of Legends.
    • Tencent's CEO, Ma Huateng, has responded to fellow Chinese tech companies' criticism regarding this topic that "[To] copy is not evil." [6] The sheer hypocrisy in this statement is that in 2018, Tencent and the now fully-owned Riot Games have filed a lawsuit[7] against Shanghai Moonton (the developer of Mobile Legends: Bang Bang) for copyright infringement on League of Legends, which Tencent copied 3 years earlier.
    • Some of the features in their games were directly plagiarized from other companies, such as a UI in Code Syn that is crudely modified from Ubisoft's Tom Clancy's The Division 2's UI.
      • Speaking of copying, they also force their gaming divisions (such as Supercell and (formerly) Glu Mobile) to make numerous reskins of their specialized genres (city building strategy and rail shooters, respectively).
  2. Tencent is known as the pioneer of the "Games as a service" model. They mainly focused on online-only games with a lot of mostly overpriced microtransactions, tacked on in several different formats. Some champion skins in their MOBA games cost up to $40.
    • Valorant, by Tencent's Riot Games, features a gun skin set named Elderflame with a base price tag of $100 (which is very expensive, even for F2P standards). However, Tencent has created a skin of a skin system by selling "visual upgrades" of the Elderflame skin which costs $192 to fully upgrade all weapons, and $292 in total unless you grind out the battle passes[8].
    • In Call of Duty: Mobile, Tencent rigged the in-game loot drops to not drop "grand prizes" (such as time-limited guns and character skins) until the player has opened the loot drops for a fixed amount of time (mostly 10 to 20 times).
    • In Pokémon Unite (a Pokémon-based MOBA game), Tencent added a booster system that allows the player to significantly enhance their Pokémon's stats. Though the booster points can be earned throught a long grind, they are also available for purchase with real money, making the game a pay-to-win.
  3. They often create knockoff games to capitalize on fads, like the aforementioned Code Syn[9], which is a knockoff of Cyberpunk 2077 with plastic-looking Anime characters and a generic open world.
  4. They are infamous for taking over several companies (both big and small) for various purposes, such as;
    • Epic Games: "partially" taken over in 2012 after they signed a support agreement to aid Epic during their transition into "games as a services" business model. Epic later turned into one of Tencent's flagships, focused on milking money from the Unreal Engine license, Fortnite, and their game store.
    • Grinding Gear Games: bought out by Tencent in May 2018 to milk their online game Path of Exile.
    • Krafton: partially taken over a few months after suing Epic Games for "copying" PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds in order to eliminate Fortnite's main competitor and bring them to their side.
    • Marvelous: partially acquired in Febuary 2020, mainly to use Marvelous' anime division to produce adaptations of Chinese manhua (comic books) and milk Marvelous's Story of Seasons games.
  5. They usually acquire several licenses from media franchises and games to create a cash-in game/add-on contents with little to no originality and/or grasp of the original source material, for example;
    • They made a contract with Activision Blizzard to create Call of Duty: Mobile, a free-to-play mobile game that not only looks more like a generic Korean FPS game than an actual Call of Duty game, it also has similar microtransaction schemes in it, such as reskinned guns that are more powerful than the originals and anime-style characters.
    • Several DC Comics characters were featured in Arena of Valor yet they have unoriginal skill sets based on mismatched skill sets from LoL champions.
    • They acquired a license from Marvel Comics to feature some of their characters in Fortnite, such as a mode where player could transform themselves into Thanos if they found the Infinity Gauntlet that spawned randomly on the map. The game also includes skins based on their characters, including Deadpool and Captain America.
    • They made a contract with The Pokémon Company to create Pokémon Unite, which is basically yet another LoL clone with some gimmicks added.
  6. They are also infamous for meddling with their subsidiaries, for example;
    • They made Riot Games create some cash-in spin-off titles based on the League of Legends franchise, such as Legends of Runeterra (a Heartstone-like card game), League of Legends: Wild Rift (which is just a mobile port of LoL, which Tencent originally intended to make in 2015 but got rejected due to Riot back then stating that the MOBA genre is "not fit for mobile control", said "mobile port" would have turned into Honor of Kings and Arena of Valor later), and a League of Legends fighting game codenamed: Project L. They are also responsible for several overpriced weapon skins in Valorant, as well.
    • They forced Funcom to break their promise that Conan Exiles will be released as a full game without DLC by having them dissecting several in-game contents and sold it as DLCs, resulting in a horrible launch due to the rushed state of the game.
    • They meddled Epic Games into making a mobile port for Fortnite to create "competition" against a mobile port of PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds, which is also owned by Tencent's other subsidiary (Krafton), meaning that they are competing against themselves.
      • Another example is Garena's Free Fire, which were initially developed and published as a mobile clone of PUBG for Southeast Asian market. After Tencent partially acquired Krafton and complete a deal to develop and publish the mobile version of PUBG by themselves, Garena would have later rebranded the game as yet another competitor of PUBG and Fortnite.
  7. Due to Tencent owning a large percentage of Epic Games and Krafton, the developers of Fortnite and PUBG respectively, Tencent has nearly monopolized the Battle Royale genre (with the only real competitor against both games being EA's Apex Legends). This lead Tencent to implement a lot of microtransactions in both games without having to worry about competition, this is actually the main reason of why most of the problems that PUBG has have been left untouched to this day.
  8. Their online game stores (WeGame and the Epic Store) are riddled with many problems.
    • WeGame is a Chinese-only online game store that has a near monopoly on the Chinese gaming market. Due to strict censorship by the Communist Party of China (which have close ties with Tencent themselves), several foreign online stores were banned from China, including Steam (though Valve attempted to create a "localized" version of Steam with censorship applied, which caused outrage in the Chinese gaming community, before Valve announced that the international version of Steam will be available for all Chinese players via VPN and separate it from the Chinese version[10]). As such, the only way to access these foreign stores in China is by using a virtual private network, or VPN.
    • The Epic Games Store is riddled with several problems and questionable policies[11], such as the infamous timed exclusive practices, review censorship, lack of basic features such as a shopping cart, and restrictive DRM, which is carried over from WeGame.
    • Due to various reason as stated above, Tencent has generated over 46% of overall revenue in China, far ahead of their rival NetEase who have "only" 15% of the market share.[12]
  9. As mentioned above, they have strong ties with the Communist Party of China, who have supported Tencent's business in several ways,[13] such as banning several online game stores (including Steam) in favor of Tencent's WeGame. In return, Tencent made a deal with the CCP to release several propaganda games, such as Clap for Xi Jinping: An Awesome Speech[14] (a mobile game released for the occasion of the 19th National Party Congress) and inserting patriotic agenda into their games, such as the counter-terrorism theme of their Game for Peaceprogram.
    • As of May 2020, Tencent has shut down PUBG Mobile in China and replaced it with a reskin called Peacekeeper Elite, with a nationalistic story about Chinese "peacekeeping forces" fighting terrorist factions.[15]
  10. Several of their titles and platforms (like Valorant[16] and the Epic Games Store) contain suspicious DRM software, which led to rumors that Tencent is using that to send info to the Chinese government. It doesn't help that Tencent has been accused of bribing computer software agencies to whitelist their software.[17]
    • Following a series of Chinese gaming regulations changes in 2018 in an attempt to "combat gaming addiction in children", Tencent has implemented facial recognition technology to preventing children from logging in into the game after 10 PM.[18][19]
If you have any experience on Chinese social media, you will see how much hate Tencent gets from Chinese gamers in general. More examples on how they were perceived #1 #2 #3 , many refer the company to "Industrial cancer"

One of the common strategy Tencent does is to buy any IP they see as competition, after they acquired it, they let that IP die on purpose, so their own IP stays unchallenged, that's how they literally monopolized the entire Chinese market, and now they are starting to apply the same strategy globally. One thing you could be sure of is they have nearly endless supply of money to do that, they have the backing of their government.
 
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Infamy v1

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How many posters are you going to say this to?

You don't want people to look through yours.

You're still notably angry because I told you the same thing about fanfiction back in April? When you said Bungie/Sony were lying about future Bungie games staying on "rival consoles," and that secretly Sony "ain't having that because they're the boss" and Destiny 3 will be exclusive?

Oh, right.

The fact that an usual suspect is conflating things in the defense of a like-minded individual while still triggered about getting called out himself is not surprising.
 

John Wick

Member
If you have any experience on Chinese social media, you will see how much hate Tencent gets from Chinese gamers in general. More examples on how they were perceived #1 #2 #3 , many refer the company to "Industrial cancer"

One of the common strategy Tencent does is to buy any IP they see as competition, after they acquired it, they let that IP die on purpose, so their own IP stays unchallenged, that's how they literally monopolized the entire Chinese market, and now they are starting to apply the same strategy globally. One thing you could be sure of is they have nearly endless supply of money to do that, they have the backing of their government.
Looks like someone has an axe to grind with Tencent. There is nothing there but what someone has decided to write about Tencent. There is nothing there that other publishers around the world haven't done lol.
 

SeraphJan

Member
Looks like someone has an axe to grind with Tencent. There is nothing there but what someone has decided to write about Tencent. There is nothing there that other publishers around the world haven't done lol.
You are asking me to give you examples about general perception, I gave you many, it's not on me that you don't even bother reading
 
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John Wick

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You are asking me to give you examples about general perception, I gave you many, it's not on me that you don't even bother reading
It's a list someone made with no facts linked to it. You'll excuse me if I don't take the US media's word for it. Hating China and spreading propaganda is theme over here in the West.
 

SeraphJan

Member
It's a list someone made with no facts linked to it. You'll excuse me if I don't take the US media's word for it. Hating China and spreading propaganda is theme over here in the West.
I literally give you 4 links to the Chinese equivalent of Quora (The platform had roughly 6 times the userbase of Quora), which had more than thousands of people in their native language discussing about Tencent, there are many people (some had prior experience working inside Tencent) shares great detail and insights regarding the company if you would take your time scrolling down that is.

And of course its in Chinese language, since you won't take US media's word for it, I guess the only reliable way of gaining information for you would be their native language.

Tencent had much more notorious reputation inside China compare to the West.
 
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S0ULZB0URNE

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You're still notably angry because I told you the same thing about fanfiction back in April? When you said Bungie/Sony were lying about future Bungie games staying on "rival consoles," and that secretly Sony "ain't having that because they're the boss" and Destiny 3 will be exclusive?

Oh, right.

The fact that an usual suspect is conflating things in the defense of a like-minded individual while still triggered about getting called out himself is not surprising.
You have a history of mentioning posters historys.
Like I said one can look through yours and see the posts. Get a new shtick!

I stand by my OPINION of how the owner Sony will handle the far off Destiny 3.
 

Infamy v1

Member
You have a history of mentioning posters historys.
You're obviously just mad your hypocrisy gets called out. So I use a site feature to expose people who lie, are disingenuous or are raging hypocrites, and? The "this you" meme is a meme for a reason.
I stand by my OPINION of how the owner Sony will handle the far off Destiny 3.
You didn't just say Destiny 3, you said all future Bungie games, and when shown the quote where Jim Ryan said they will remain a multiplatform publisher even for rival consoles, or when Bungie stated their future games will not be console exclusive, independence blah blah, you basically insinuated it's all a lie (across many posts) because, and I quote, "Sony is the owner and the boss." Opinions are great and all, but meanwhile you say this in response to Starfield said to be Xbox and PC exclusive:

I can see it going to other platforms in 6 months-2 years.

Or this in response to someone saying Starfield is exclusive so it's likely future Bethesda games will be exclusive:

Link saying when Bethesda games will stop being on PlayStation?
So because of Starfield you are insinuating not a single Bethesda game will release on PlayStation, am I reading this correct?

If we go by what MS actually said.... in both instances it's not exactly clear, so more insinuating on your part correct?

Where's that same energy? 🤔 And there's so much more just from Bethesda alone. I don't even want to know your mindset regarding ABK (hint: I'm sure everyone already does).

The conginitive dissonance displayed here is off the charts. Again, don't be salty I used a site feature to show you for what you are.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
You're obviously just mad your hypocrisy gets called out. So I use a site feature to expose people who lie, are disingenuous or are raging hypocrites, and? The "this you" meme is a meme for a reason.

You didn't just say Destiny 3, you said all future Bungie games, and when shown the quote where Jim Ryan said they will remain a multiplatform publisher even for rival consoles, or when Bungie stated their future games will not be console exclusive, independence blah blah, you basically insinuated it's all a lie (across many posts) because, and I quote, "Sony is the owner and the boss." Opinions are great and all, but meanwhile you say this in response to Starfield said to be Xbox and PC exclusive:



Or this in response to someone saying Starfield

You're obviously just mad your hypocrisy gets called out. So I use a site feature to expose people who lie, are disingenuous or are raging hypocrites, and? The "this you" meme is a meme for a reason.

You didn't just say Destiny 3, you said all future Bungie games, and when shown the quote where Jim Ryan said they will remain a multiplatform publisher even for rival consoles, or when Bungie stated their future games will not be console exclusive, independence blah blah, you basically insinuated it's all a lie (across many posts) because, and I quote, "Sony is the owner and the boss." Opinions are great and all, but meanwhile you say this in response to Starfield said to be Xbox and PC exclusive:



Or this in response to someone saying Starfield is exclusive so it's likely future Bethesda games will be exclusive:




Where's that same energy? 🤔 And there's so much more just from Bethesda alone. I don't even want to know your mindset regarding ABK (hint: I'm sure everyone already does).

The conginitive dissonance displayed here is off the charts. Again, don't be salty I used a site feature to show you for what you are.
...do you even know what a moneyhat is? You keep rambling incoherently, ignoring actual facts, while talking about striking nerves and other random nonsense. Providing links, quotes, et al. does nothing because it's ignored and the goalposts moved. Your example got debunked, period. Cover your ears and close your eyes if you want.

It's always the same with you lot. Ramble on about nothing, ignore facts, "counter" said facts with made up nonsense, then play the victim and dip out. And you specifically do it on a forum where you scarcely get called out for your bullshit, too. Also, you shouldn't be a hypocrite and tell someone proving you wrong with facts that they're "attacking" you when the majority of your post is talking down to them, insults ("strike a nerve, emotional, triggered," etc). and patronization. Just a little tip for you before bedtime.

You're just making shit up now in a last ditch effort to save face. You're not even making a coherent argument with any basis of what's actually happening. I actually feel bad for you.


You're continuing to embarass yourself here. Microsoft stated many, many points in rebuttal to Sony's whining about Game Pass. They talked about how Sony recently posted record breaking profits (there's that word you love) which contradicts that narrative, they talk about how Sony is the leader in the digital revenue space and how that contradicts their narrative, they talk about how Sony can make a more competitive service with their own subscription service but chooses the "buy-to-play" model as its what has historically worked out for them, they talk about the benefit to consumers, they talk about Sony not wanting to change from the status quo to actually compete which they claim is the reason why Sony is the sole publisher to say these things while literally everyone else agrees with Microsoft.

And I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of other shit. Destin has a 3 part video on the subject where he is literally reading the document live on screen word for word. Do some research next time and stop with the false narratives.


Obviously both companies will downplay or push a narrative to suit their agenda, but saying ABK has no "must-have" games is a literal fact in response that CoD is a "genre of its own" (also a lie) or that it has no rivals (also very much a lie). They're using legal verbiage that is quite literally as a retort to outlandish claims that even other publishers in these same documents are refuting. Can your brain comprehend this?


Why do you continue to lie and lie? Literally no other person is commenting on our discourse. Not one. Yet you saying "everyone" further encapsulates my argument that you're just extremely, extremely desperate. And boy does it show.


Someone with a post history such as yours is daring to tell me to take my arguments to Twitter? 😂 You're just angry because someone is taking the time out to call out and dismantle your shit. It's not going to work.

As if Sony shills don't foam out the mouth begging for SE, FromSoft and KojiPro?

But looking at your post history, it's easy to see Phil triggers you like crazy.

I don't give a shit what you "claim" to be against. There's thousands upon thousands of posts here and elsewhere from like-minded shills that are begging for the companies I posted, which proves my point and invalidates yours.

And ooof, your seething hatred for Microsoft and especially Phil Spencer in your post history must mean there are some deeper scars. Hmm...

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Resorting to ad hominem attacks like "idiot" and "retarded" shows how backed up against the wall you are, especially since you keep shouting "Shill! Corporate bootlicker!" which seems to be some wierd projection thing since you are very, very clearly that. Then you get noticeably irate and say I'm a stalker because I used a site function to prove that to you.

Yes, what other people post does have everything to do with what you're stating. You labeled one fanbase as one way, and when shown its not only that fanbase thay does that, you get visibly upset and defensive while being the living representation of the Spider-Man pointing meme. Don't be angry because you got called out for having like 50 posts talking shit about Phil Spencer unprovoked.

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I guarantee you have a few I didn't quote but I had to stop as reading the console warring shit from you is super toxic.

From your post history it seems you are your own worse enemy and have been given much,much rope here...it's only a matter of time.

You also constantly mention people moving goalposts and your post above mentioning Destiny 3 is doing that so I am not replying AGAIN to those goalpost moving spins.
 

Infamy v1

Member
I guarantee you have a few I didn't quote but I had to stop as reading the console warring shit from you is super toxic.
You did nothing but succinctly prove exactly my point. First you quote my post to you in this thread twice, as if people are not gonna realize you're doing that at all (let alone twice), and then go on to quote exactly what I said I do: call out blatant hypocrisy from you and people just like you; it's no wonder you're defending someone in this thread that recently posted these gems:

Yeah go ahead and blame another company while Gamepass give you shit games.
COD is the last ditched effort to save Gamepass/Xbox from waving the white flag and becoming a 3rd party publisher.

You of all people have absolutely zero say in calling anyone a "super toxic console warrior." *Spiderman pointing meme* Again, you're obviously mad you got called out with receipts and are taking the anger out half a year later in some weird deflection while defending the above person (I wonder why? 🤔) at the same time. Normally you just spam my posts with LOLs nonstop like some mute stalker.

You also constantly mention people moving goalposts and your post above mentioning Destiny 3 is doing that so I am not replying AGAIN to those goalpost moving spins.

How is that a "goalpost moving spin?" Do you know what a goalpost is? You came in here whining about something I did exactly to you like 6 months ago, so I went back to the post and explained exactly why I did and proved your cognitive dissonance, with receipts and all. Again, how is that a goalpost "moving spin?"
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
You did nothing but succinctly prove exactly my point. First you quote my post to you in this thread twice, as if people are not gonna realize you're doing that at all (let alone twice), and then go on to quote exactly what I said I do: call out blatant hypocrisy from you and people just like you; it's no wonder you're defending someone in this thread that recently posted these gems:




How is that a "goalpost moving spin?" Do you know what a goalpost is? You came in here whining about something I did exactly to you like 6 months ago, so I went back to the post and explained exactly why I did and proved your cognitive dissonance, with receipts and all. Again, how is that a goalpost "moving spin?"
I proved exactly my point.
You console war troll people and when they call out your bs, you mention post histories 🤭


We weren't talking about Destiny 3 or any Sony/Bungie stuff is how... but you knew that already.
 

Infamy v1

Member
I proved exactly my point.
You console war troll people and when they call out your bs, you mention post histories 🤭
Dude, you're looking extremely bad right now. You're repeating my same argument said about you back to me like some 5th grade petulant child "nuh-uh, you!", except adding "post histories" because you're very angry I used yours against you and proved my point. Y'know, a site feature.

Oh, and look right there in one of my posts you quoted (after quoting my same post against you multiple times in a desperate attempt to pad out your "proof"):

Why do you continue to lie and lie? Literally no other person is commenting on our discourse. Not one. Yet you saying "everyone" further encapsulates my argument that you're just extremely, extremely desperate. And boy does it show.

Thanks for the quote. You lot do the same exact shit before running away with your tail between your legs after you fail to troll: make up some imaginary fake reality where people are "calling out my console war bs" when that's not what happens at all. It's like you think people are too stupid to scroll up or click a few links and will just read your last post and take what you say for face value. Everything's already laid out. Scroll up.

We weren't talking about Destiny 3 or any Sony/Bungie stuff is how... but you knew that already.

Again, stay with me. It's not hard.

You came in here crying about something I did exactly to you like 6 months ago, so I went back to the post and explained exactly why I did and proved your cognitive dissonance, with receipts and all. How am I moving a "goalpost spin" (wtf even is that lmao) when I'm literally using the same argument against you without changing it?
I am not replying AGAIN to those goalpost moving spins.

What happened to this, huh? Can't even follow your own recent posts? Like I've been saying, it's clearly because you're angry. You could take it to PMs next time instead of holding a six month grudge and further embarrassing yourself.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
Dude, you're looking extremely bad right now. You're repeating my same argument said about you back to me like some 5th grade petulant child "nuh-uh, you!", except adding "post histories" because you're very angry I used yours against you and proved my point. Y'know, a site feature.

Oh, and look right there in one of my posts you quoted (after quoting my same post against you multiple times in a desperate attempt to pad out your "proof"):



Thanks for the quote. You lot do the same exact shit before running away with your tail between your legs after you fail to troll: make up some imaginary fake reality where people are "calling out my console war bs" when that's not what happens at all. It's like you think people are too stupid to scroll up or click a few links and will just read your last post and take what you say for face value. Everything's already laid out. Scroll up.



Again, stay with me. It's not hard.

You came in here crying about something I did exactly to you like 6 months ago, so I went back to the post and explained exactly why I did and proved your cognitive dissonance, with receipts and all. How am I moving a "goalpost spin" (wtf even is that lmao) when I'm literally using the same argument against you without changing it?


What happened to this, huh? Can't even follow your own recent posts? Like I've been saying, it's clearly because you're angry. You could take it to PMs next time instead of holding a six month grudge and further embarrassing yourself.
<Snip> yeah not reading through all of this extra mental gymnastics spin you are posting.
Told you I'm not responding to the moving goalposts.

I quoted you pointing out your mentioning post histories shtick that you have done a lot with posters here.

The other shtick you do and are trying on me is you saying people are angry when yet you are the one who goes off with xb astroturfing, angry walls of text tangents.

If it makes me look bad to point out what you do, so be it.
 

Infamy v1

Member
<Snip> yeah not reading through all of this extra mental gymnastics spin you are posting.
Told you I'm not responding to the moving goalposts.
You're so terrible at this that it makes my head hurt. There are absolutely zero goalpost "mental gymnastics spins" happening; everything I said has been the exact same since the beginning. Consistency is something you clearly fail to comprehend so you're stringing a bunch of angry words together to desperately try to redeem yourself after being exposed "extra mental gymnastics spin goalposts."

But you are responding, and not addressing any points because you can't. You either do the above, or repeat my arguments against you back at me like you're still in grade school and people won't laugh you out of the topic like they usually do (if the topic wasn't dead, that is).

I quoted you pointing out your mentioning post histories shtick that you have done a lot with posters here.
And I responded with receipts why you've been stalking me, to which you have zero response. You're mad because I used a site feature against you to show how much of a hypocrite you are.

The other shtick you do and are trying on me is you saying people are angry when yet you are the one who goes off with xb astroturfing, angry walls of text tangents.

If it makes me look bad to point out what you do, so be it.

But you clearly are angry: holding a grudge from half a year ago (proven), saying you're not going to respond but you do (proven), repeating over and over "mental gymnastics spin goalposts" when there is absolutely zero of that happening and you're just mad you have no rebuttal (proven), saying people are calling out my bs and I'm just trolling in response when none of that is happening...the list goes on. If this isn't anger then I don't know what is.

And you prove it yet again by attributing my posts to "wall of texts" just because it's so easy for me to shut your bullshit down with receipts and all. Just angry and throwing random insults without meaning. Do you know what a wall of text is? Do you know what astroturfing is (see, this is an example of moving a goalpost)?

Yeah, you're looking really down right now. 🤡
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
You're so terrible at this that it makes my head hurt. There are absolutely zero goalpost "mental gymnastics spins" happening; everything I said has been the exact same since the beginning. Consistency is something you clearly fail to comprehend so you're stringing a bunch of angry words together to desperately try to redeem yourself after being exposed "extra mental gymnastics spin goalposts."

But you are responding, and not addressing any points because you can't. You either do the above, or repeat my arguments against you back at me like you're still in grade school and people won't laugh you out of the topic like they usually do (if the topic wasn't dead, that is).


And I responded with receipts why you've been stalking me, to which you have zero response. You're mad because I used a site feature against you to show how much of a hypocrite you are.



But you clearly are angry: holding a grudge from half a year ago (proven), saying you're not going to respond but you do (proven), repeating over and over "mental gymnastics spin goalposts" when there is absolutely zero of that happening and you're just mad you have no rebuttal (proven), saying people are calling out my bs and I'm just trolling in response when none of that is happening...the list goes on. If this isn't anger then I don't know what is.

And you prove it yet again by attributing my posts to "wall of texts" just because it's so easy for me to shut your bullshit down with receipts and all. Just angry and throwing random insults without meaning. Do you know what a wall of text is? Do you know what astroturfing is (see, this is an example of moving a goalpost)?

Yeah, you're looking really down right now. 🤡
Yeah all of this extra crap is trying to spin away what I said you do to posters here.
Told you..I am not going off the tracks and allowing you to change goal posts buddy!
Defend the accusations or continue to rage with walls of text, the choice is yours.
 

Infamy v1

Member
Yeah all of this extra crap is trying to spin away what I said you do to posters here.
Told you..I am not going off the tracks and allowing you to change goal posts buddy!
Defend the accusations or continue to rage with walls of text, the choice is yours.

I understand you're seething angry from continually being embarrassed, but at least they to rub two brain cells together. You don't respond to literally anything I prove about you because you can't. 🤭 all you do after being shut down by many posters on GAF is accuse them of "spin" lmao, like a pathetic defense mechanism:

Sore green rat ass titis!
Symptoms are many tears,salt and much spinning!
Because MS conceded the war due to the shellacking Sony's PlayStation consoles gave Xbox. The console sales don't matter narrative services are more important spin was born.
See that's what I meant by xboys spinning
XSX lost no matter how we spin it.
Don't like people talking about it?
Don't be in the threads.
The spin is real
Positive Xbox news? Since when? The only spinning I ever see if from the Xbox camp.
I play em all but find xboys and PC fanboys to be the worse.
No matter how we spin it... the PS5 has a superior ram setup(more available),SSD,a gpu that runs at a higher hz and a better sound chip.
So you continue to make claims that you can't back up instead try and go off point/spin these statements away. Lying troll
LOL MS and save me the better efficiency spin!
That spin was tried already on a previous page nice try though.
The spin...
MS don't care about console sales but never shares the numbers and is waiting on PS5's price announcement. Can't make this shit up!
Am I missing something or did he NOT say games aren't coming to PS5. Bunch of spin if you ask me.
I don't see facts I see off point spins.
Can't wait for the salty tears and spin when PS5 outshines the PC this gen.
That spin doesn't work.
Things are subjective but PS having high scoring/selling exclusives unlike the PC isn't.
PS5 will have more higher rated/awarded/talked about exclusives than the PC this generation.
PS5 wins.
Retarded is never having a answer and choosing to spin instead.
That's spin and gamer nexus are fos.
I said XSS isn't next gen. You are attempting to spin this away.
4TF's isn't enough no matter the spin.
Every PC has steam don't try and spin it away.
Spin it anyway you want.
Is what the PC fanboys spin for not achieving true 4K is.
I followed you being wrong and trying to spin it away.
that's denial and spin
are you going to continue to ignorantly try and spin it away?
Not sure how you aren't banned tbh. It's 10 million as of a few years ago. The only on PlayStation spin you are attempting I saw a mile away.
So this is the spin oops, i meant reason the PS5 plays it better?
Don't worry... the game isn't done and XSX usually plays older looking cross-gen games better.
Done with this convo.
Got the expected denial/spins from same usual suspects and the other coward who won't quote me.
So you can try and spin that they aren't good? Not happening
When and if he's wrong, y'all are playing the more format spin and you are spinning it with him.
It's pretty sad that the usual suspects do the typical spinning.
As a Xbox consumer It's not a good look at all.
This is some new level damage control spin.
You would try and spin such a low resolution vs a high resolution not being noticeable.
Doing such is some serious $uspect behavior from DF and desperate spin from you.
What type of xboxera spin is this?
Aww did my reply to his post bother you?
It's a pretty significant drop on XSX no matter how much you try and spin it away.
Meta/review score not mattering is what a certain group of fanboys started spinning last gen
I am not replying AGAIN to those goalpost moving spins.
yeah not reading through all of this extra mental gymnastics spin you are posting.
Yeah all of this extra crap is trying to spin away what I said you do to posters here.

And there's pages and pages more of this shit, you're a "one trick pony", it seems. Also, you have the gall, the audacity, the testicular fortitude to call others console warriors, astroturfers, shills and fanboys? 🤣 🤡

Are you going to be even more mad I used your own words against you yet again? That's too bad.

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S0ULZB0URNE

Member
I understand you're seething angry from continually being embarrassed, but at least they to rub two brain cells together. You don't respond to literally anything I prove about you because you can't. 🤭 all you do after being shut down by many posters on GAF is accuse them of "spin" lmao, like a pathetic defense mechanism:










































And there's pages and pages more of this shit, you're a "one trick pony", it seems. Also, you have the gall, the audacity, the testicular fortitude to call others console warriors, astroturfers, shills and fanboys? 🤣 🤡

Are you going to be even more mad I used your own words against you yet again? That's too bad.

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Still can't defend the accusations. 🤫
Now that's some spin :messenger_grinning_squinting:
 
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