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[James Sawyer Ford]

It’s funny that Phil can only commit to a few more years

Wasn’t he running his mouth about exclusives not being a thing anymore and how he doesn’t want to close off gamers or some shit?

If he believed his own bullshit he’d come out and say CoD is on PS forever like Sony did with Bungie

 

[tmlDan]

Why the fuck would they want money for others? You don't need to be a trillion dollar company, literally every company in existence is there to make themselves money, and if they aren't in third place, what are they?

why are you so angry, daddy MS really needs to give you a soother.

I feel like anything I say will be met with hostility and childish responses, so i won't say more other than this: I suggest you open your eyes a bit and realize that massive monopolies are bad for any industry and MS has the capabilities to do so.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

If Destiny was anywhere near as successful as COD

Destiny is far more successful than Halo, the game you brought up

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Let's hope they stop Sledgehammer making any more CoDs then.

That seems to be the case. It looks like Microsoft supports COD moving away from being an annual franchise and would allow some of the B-Tier COD studios to transition to new projects.

https://www.ign.com/articles/call-of-duty-no-longer-annualized-report

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Destiny is far more successful than Halo, the game you brought up

Than Halo Infinite? Definitely. Overall as an IP and brand recognition? Not even close. Lets wait to see if Destiny is even a thing another 13 years from now before we make such bold statements LMAO.

 

[Ozriel]

I give literally zero shits about COD, but I do care about the awesome AAA single player games Sony makes. Once COD goes Xbox exclusive, that's probably gonna mean fewer people will want to get a PlayStation, which in turn will mean Sony will have less resources to produce such games etc. I don't have any stake in Sony, but I do want PlayStation to succeed for those reasons.

This is such a massive stretch. We're a VERY long way from a scenario where Sony isn't the dominant console seller. And you know this.

You do realise that once they have enough market share and studios you are completely at their mercy? They could easily raise the price of first party games to £80 and then when Game Pass Ultimate ‘just’ costs £20 a month in comparison it will look like a bargain.

Well, so far Xbox doesn't seem to be the party pushing for increase in game prices or even console hardware prices. And it's a much bigger threat to consumers if we have more uncompetitive gens like the last one.
MS isn't going to get marketshare that would put everyone at their mercy in the next decade or more.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Funny how there’s no mention of a time limit in that initial tweet. The double speak doesn’t reflect well.

Seems like something regulators would want the gangsta to clarify on.

 

[GHG]

Funny how there’s no mention of a time limit in that initial tweet. The double speak doesn’t reflect well.

This is exactly what the CMA were talking about when they sited their handling of the Bethesda acquisition and the PR surrounding that. The messaging is all over the place, strategically worded and full of holes/ get out clauses.

The media lap it up as usual and create grandiose headlines that reflect well on them (good guys Xbox yay, good guy Phil yay!), but anyone who closely reads their statements and also takes their actions in to account can see it's all nothing but hot air.

 

[Mr Moose]

Well, so far Xbox doesn't seem to be the party pushing for increase in game prices or even console hardware prices. And it's a much bigger threat to consumers if we have more uncompetitive gens like the last one.
MS isn't going to get marketshare that would put everyone at their mercy in the next decade or more.

You should check how much Call of Duty costs.

 

[CaptainSlayAHo]

A bargain for who? Personally I don’t usually spend £240 yearly in the Xbox ecosystem.

I don't either, even before game pass with an Xbox one as my only console.

Thing is, because of the nature of game pass (and ps+ for that matter), I play many more games than I normally would, I get the opportunity to play games that cost 60 dollars I may have been on the fence about. Going on prices of the games at the time of me playing them, it easily adds up to over 240/yr.

And that's before taking into consideration that I share it with two brothers.

So this hypothetical price raise from 180 would be annoying, but still a great deal.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

The clock is ticking

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

This is gangsta as shit. He's basically confirming it's going exclusive? Or just that they won't give Xbox any kind feature or content perks until after the agreement? Either way, that tells you his confidence in the deal closing right there.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/2/2...station-letter-commitment-activision-blizzard

“In January, we provided a signed agreement to Sony to guarantee Call of Duty on PlayStation, with feature and content parity, for at least several more years beyond the current Sony contract, an offer that goes well beyond typical gaming industry agreements,” says Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer in a statement to The Verge.

You guys really want cod exclusive huh

 

[DaedalusGrim]

Literally not true

I own both consoles, along with ps+ and game pass, so I'm hardly a fanboy.

With that said, I'm absolutely hoping it closes, and Microsoft can resume acquisitions.

New Diablos and call of duty day 1, back catalog added, maybe we'll see starcraft 2 ported to console now, etc.

Sony acquisitions are exciting in that they'll do good things with the studio, but with a 70 dollar price tag, I'd much prefer xbox to continue adding developers.

You n

If Destiny was anywhere near as successful as COD, Activision would never have allowed Bungie to leave and take the IP with them. Also, what happened to this talk of Sony "organically" growing studios and creating new IP from scratch. Seems that talking point flys out the window when it' no longer convenient.

Destiny is the second best selling FPS franchise behind CoD, so yeah, I'd say that's pretty fucking successful.

 

[amstradcpc]

I don't either, even before game pass with an Xbox one as my only console.

Thing is, because of the nature of game pass (and ps+ for that matter), I play many more games than I normally would, I get the opportunity to play games that cost 60 dollars I may have been on the fence about. Going on prices of the games at the time of me playing them, it easily adds up to over 240/yr.

And that's before taking into consideration that I share it with two brothers.

So this hypothetical price raise from 180 would be annoying, but still a great deal.

You have just explained how a 30 billions market will shrink to a 4 billions one.Thanks MS. Now look for your non live service AAA games...

 

[Salty Popsicle]

This is exactly what the CMA were talking about when they sited their handling of the Bethesda acquisition and the PR surrounding that. The messaging is all over the place, strategically worded and full of holes/ get out clauses.

The media lap it up as usual and create grandiose headlines that reflect well on them (good guys Xbox yay, good guy Phil yay!), but anyone who closely reads their statements and also takes their actions in to account can see it's all nothing but hot air.

The CMA should look into how Microsoft's direct competition in the gaming space handles timed-exclusivity agreements and IP after they acquire them. Maybe once they become aware of how titles like FF7 Remake are still locked out of competitor consoles after multiple years on the market, they'll understand that these tactics are just part of the industry and fair-game.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

You guys really want cod exclusive huh

Not me I have friends who play it across all platforms and dont feel you should be forced to buy certain hardware to play a MP game you have always played

 

[remember_spinal]

If Destiny was anywhere near as successful as COD, Activision would never have allowed Bungie to leave and take the IP with them. Also, what happened to this talk of Sony "organically" growing studios and creating new IP from scratch. Seems that talking point flys out the window when it' no longer convenient.

You asked what the answer to Halo was, we told you its Destiny,

 

[jm89]

The CMA should look into how Microsoft's direct competition in the gaming space handles timed-exclusivity agreements and IP after they acquire them. Maybe once they become aware of how titles like FF7 Remake are still locked out of competitor consoles after multiple years on the market, they'll understand that these tactics are just part of the industry and fair-game.

Silly comparison. You know it's not the same.

 

[March Climber]

Their best bet is factions, but it really needs to be something substantial and as expansive as we're being lead to believe and not just a factions 2.0.

Agreed on Factions.

Typical team deathmatches don't cut it anymore

Agreed, which is why whatever multiplayer I.P. they end up choosing will have to evolve with the times if it's brought back, whether it's something like a Killzone or a Socom or even a Warhawk.

Just to be clear here I'm not suggesting that they just revive an old I.P. and keep it the exact same way it was. That's foolish to want and so many here who make those types of requests don't understand the modern video games industry and what sells. They just want to selfishly re-experience a childhood moment.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

Ngl I don’t get why they didn’t make it exclusive from the get go?

 

[CaptainSlayAHo]

why are you so angry, daddy MS really needs to give you a soother.

I feel like anything I say will be met with hostility and childish responses, so i won't say more other than this: I suggest you open your eyes a bit and realize that massive monopolies are bad for any industry and MS has the capabilities to do so.

Who said I was angry?

And you think you'll be met with hostility after opening your comment like that? Wow imagine that! Grow up son

If Microsoft being in third place is a massive monopoly, I suggest you look up the definition.

 

[Sub_Level]

All that matters to me is MW2 on PS5 will still be the premium experience. Which appears to be the case.

 

[Banjo64]

Well, so far Xbox doesn't seem to be the party pushing for increase in game prices or even console hardware prices.

I mean…

They would have DOUBLED the price of Gold if their actual fans didn’t go ape shit.

 

[jm89]

Ngl I don’t get why they didn’t make it exclusive from the get go?

Sony contract and the extended guarantee they are making is probably to appease the regulators.

 

[GHG]

You should check how much Call of Duty costs.

Honestly it's bizarre. Asking to be charged more to rent a bunch of shit that you won't have access to the moment you stop paying them more money.

I never saw this kind of praise for humble bundle from these guys and it's a shame considering it actually enables budget conscious gamers to build a library of games they actually own.

Humble Choice - I Am Computer

Humble Choice This is a searchable list of all Humble Choice and Humble Monthly games dating back to November 2015, the first monthly bundle. Drop a comment at the bottom of this page with any feedback, suggestions, or issues. Search: March 2024 Warhammer Age of Sigmar: Realms of Ruin –…

appsolutelywonderful.com

10 dollars a month and you keep everything.

I struggle to understand it, especially considering a lot of these guys also claim to game on PC.

 

[tmlDan]

Who said I was angry?

And you think you'll be met with hostility after opening your comment like that? Wow imagine that! Grow up son

If Microsoft being in third place is a massive monopoly, I suggest you look up the definition.

"Why the fuck would they want money for others?"

That insinuates anger, you don't have to convey anger like that. Chill out dude. You need to reread what I said, maybe your brain will click.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

You n


Destiny is the second best selling FPS franchise behind CoD, so yeah, I'd say that's pretty fucking successful.

Not according to sales numbers from Destiny 2 expansions, which is where the majority of the IPs revenue is generated . Activision saw the writing on the wall for the franchise and was more than happy to wash their hands of Destiny when the opportunity presented itself.

https://screenrant.com/destiny-2-dlc-forsaken-failure/

"Activision Blizzard's console games and services revenue dropped by 34 percent year-over-year, down to $347 million, with the company singling out Destiny 2 and its recently released Forsaken expansion as being particularly disappointing, stating that the DLC isn't performing as well as anticipated."

 

[Banjo64]

The CMA should look into how Microsoft's direct competition in the gaming space handles timed-exclusivity agreements and IP after they acquire them. Maybe once they become aware of how titles like FF7 Remake are still locked out of competitor consoles after multiple years on the market, they'll understand that these tactics are just part of the industry and fair-game.

The CMA don’t give a fuck about that, it’s not in their remit to investigate that.

 

[Mr Moose]

The CMA should look into how Microsoft's direct competition in the gaming space handles timed-exclusivity agreements and IP after they acquire them. Maybe once they become aware of how titles like FF7 Remake are still locked out of competitor consoles after multiple years on the market, they'll understand that these tactics are just part of the industry and fair-game.

Can't wait to play Dead Rising 3 and Titanfall on my PlayStation tonig... Oh.

 

[Banjo64]

Than Halo Infinite? Definitely. Overall as an IP and brand recognition? Not even close. Lets wait to see if Destiny is even a thing another 13 years from now before we make such bold statements LMAO.

Halo is for boomers like me according to my 13/14 and 15 year old family members. It has no credibility with any young gamers. Destiny, Apex etc are all hugely popular, more so than Halo now.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

You asked what the answer to Halo was, we told you its Destiny,

No, I stated that Sony never had an answer to Halo during the 15+ years that it was considered a relevant franchise. From this assessment, I have little faith they'll find an answer to COD if it does stop releasing on PlayStation.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Halo is for boomers like me according to my 13/14 and 15 year old family members. It has no credibility with any young gamers. Destiny, Apex etc are all hugely popular, more so than Halo now.

Unless Destiny has 20 year legs like Halo, it doesn't matter how popular it is today. And lets not kid ourselves, Destiny is a lot less relevant today than it was just 3 years ago.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Unless Destiny has 20 year legs like Halo, it doesn't matter how popular it is today. And lets not kid ourselves, Destiny is a lot less relevant today than it was just 3 years ago.

Uh, no lol.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Can't wait to play Dead Rising 3 and Titanfall on my PlayStation tonig... Oh.

Titanfall being an Xbox exclusive was Sony's own fault LOL...

"Reports have surfaced that indicate Respawn reached out to Sony before signing that exclusive agreement. Respawn reportedly asked for PS4 target specs, but were told that Sony wasn't ready to offer those details. Rather than simply turning Respawn away, Sony asked if they could help make a PS Vita version of the game. Clearly Respawn declined that offer."

Read More: https://www.slashgear.com/sony-miss...sions-of-titanfall-17325584?utm_campaign=clip

 

[CaptainSlayAHo]

"Why the fuck would they want money for others?"

That insinuates anger, you don't have to convey anger like that. Chill out dude. You need to reread what I said, maybe your brain will click.

No it doesn't.

"why the fuck would they do that" implies bewilderment, because it would be dumb for them to be concerned about others making money.

You look up the definition of monopoly? Try bewilderment next, words are hard

 

[Salty Popsicle]

All that matters to me is MW2 on PS5 will still be the premium experience. Which appears to be the case.

Same experience, only players on one console must pay $70 at time of release while players on the other console will have the game available to them as part of a $15 monthly subscription (less is using the family plan and sharing costs). Pretty big difference.

 

[GHG]

The CMA should look into how Microsoft's direct competition in the gaming space handles timed-exclusivity agreements and IP after they acquire them. Maybe once they become aware of how titles like FF7 Remake are still locked out of competitor consoles after multiple years on the market, they'll understand that these tactics are just part of the industry and fair-game.

I'm sure there will come a time when Square deem it worth while to port the game to Xbox. Until then you have a variety of avenues available to you in order to be able to play it. Best bit, you don't even have to own a PlayStation.

Beyond that there are plenty of Japanese developers who have historically chosen to omit Xbox for a variety of reasons that had nothing to do with PlayStation (or even Nintendo because they sometimes get the games alongside PlayStation if the game is suitable for the hardware). Kojima was one of them, so now that Phil is attempting to cosy up to him I'm sure he can quiz him directly on the subject and get the inside track.

But until Sony start acquiring publishers the size of Bethesda and Activision there's nothing the CMA need to worry about or get involved in.

 

[Banjo64]

Unless Destiny has 20 year legs like Halo, it doesn't matter how popular it is today. And lets not kid ourselves, Destiny is a lot less relevant today than it was just 3 years ago.

It hasn’t had 20 year legs has it though?

2001 to 2010 saw the releases of Halo CE to Halo Reach, the games that actually retained player bases in the hundreds of thousands, and the franchise has been in a major free fall ever since.

I played Halo 4 at launch and watched the player base disappear in front of my very eyes over a 2 week period. Same with 5. And now with Infinite.

Long legs? Infinite has a daily concurrent player peak of 4k on Steam this month. Sea of Thieves is on 30k, Destiny 2 more than that and games like Apex dwarf it completely. It’s free to fecking play unlike Destiny 2’s expansions

 

[Mr Moose]

Titanfall being an Xbox exclusive was Sony's own fault LOL...

"Reports have surfaced that indicate Respawn reached out to Sony before signing that exclusive agreement. Respawn reportedly asked for PS4 target specs, but were told that Sony wasn't ready to offer those details. Rather than simply turning Respawn away, Sony asked if they could help make a PS Vita version of the game. Clearly Respawn declined that offer."

Read More: https://www.slashgear.com/sony-miss...sions-of-titanfall-17325584?utm_campaign=clip

https://www.eurogamer.net/sony-wanted-a-playstation-vita-version-of-titanfall

UPDATE 7.30pm: Respawn has clarified to Eurogamer that Sony actually asked for it to develop a version of its R1 project for PlayStation Vita, not the finalised Titanfall game.

 

[DaedalusGrim]

Not according to sales numbers from Destiny 2 expansions, which is where the majority of the IPs revenue is generated . Activision saw the writing on the wall for the franchise and was more than happy to wash their hands of Destiny when the opportunity presented itself.

https://screenrant.com/destiny-2-dlc-forsaken-failure/

"Activision Blizzard's console games and services revenue dropped by 34 percent year-over-year, down to $347 million, with the company singling out Destiny 2 and its recently released Forsaken expansion as being particularly disappointing, stating that the DLC isn't performing as well as anticipated."

Using a four year old expansion as an example isn't exactly a good look, especially when the latest expansion literally broke sales records for them.

 

[DaedalusGrim]

Uh, no lol.

Right? Lmao, it literally has more players than its ever had and has an average of just under a million daily players. Thats literally over 100x how many Halo has. D2 is more played on Xbox than Halo is lmao.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Using a four year old expansion as an example isn't exactly a good look, especially when the latest expansion literally broke sales records for them.

It gives a solid reason for why Activision let them go, which was the argument I made initially. There have been many COD titles that have not performed as well as the MW or Black Ops brands, but selling the COD IP was never even a consideration for the company.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Microsoft will release all their big games (Minecraft, COD, Fallout, Elder scrolls etc.) on Playstation for many years to come. You just watch.

In the end it's about money and they'll make more money on Playstation notably considering the stocks issues they are also facing.

 

[DaedalusGrim]

It gives a solid reason for why Activision let them go, which was the argument I made initially. There have been many COD titles that have not performed as well as the MW or Black Ops brands, but selling the COD IP was never even a consideration for the company.

They weren't let go, Bungie bought out of their contract.

 

[Certinty]

Whilst the Series X is getting proper Call of Duty games, I bet the PlayStation 5 will be getting a sequel to this:

 

[dotnotbot]

Why am I picturing Tom Warren jerking off to this

Some poster above you sounds like he already came

 

[CaptainSlayAHo]

I'm sure there will come a time when Square deem it worth while to port the game to Xbox. Until then you have a variety of avenues available to you in order to be able to play it. Best bit, you don't even have to own a PlayStation.

Neat, so I can play ff7r2 at release for these various avenues outside of playstation right?

 

[gamer82]

Several years lol ie this will be the last one on playstation they will support it for a year or two with content then byeeeeeee

 

[Banjo64]

Microsoft will release all their big games (Minecraft, COD, Fallout, Elder scrolls etc.) on Playstation for many years to come. You just watch.

In the end it's about money and they'll make more money on Playstation notably considering the stocks issues they are also facing.

Xbox was never about money for MS. They openly state themselves that Xbox at its inception was only greenlit to ‘beat Sony to the living room’.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

They weren't let go, Bungie bought out of their contract.

A clause like that could have easily been challenged if the Destiny IP was really important to Activision.