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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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TheRedRiders
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Sosokrates
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I expect rift apart+ but it will look more impressive because it's a more realistic art style and content material.
blastprocessor
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Still impressed with Ratchet can't wait to see what they deliver next. Most impressive first party studio right now exceeding even the mighty ND for tech right now.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
GOW's last gen draw distance is really disappointing. Ive seen this in last gen games over and over again where devs either blur out detail in the distance or use fog/haze to hide the lack of it. The mines are probably just a 50 yards away and completely lacking detail as if Kratos has glaucoma or something.
I was hoping devs would look at what early gen games like Ratchet were doing despite running at native 4k 50 fps, but it seems they are simply allowing themselves to get shackled by the base PS4 GPU and arent creating a dedicated PS5 version and then downporting it on PS4. See how Ratchet's environments have way better detail in the distance and only use the fog/haze techniques to blur out the details for objects way in the background. UE5 obviously doesnt even need to do that but forget UE5. We cant even match Ratchet anymore.
And I know this triggers a lot of people, but i went through youtube videos of all these games to capture screenshots with youtube compression to keep the comparison fair.
I was hoping devs would look at what early gen games like Ratchet were doing despite running at native 4k 50 fps, but it seems they are simply allowing themselves to get shackled by the base PS4 GPU and arent creating a dedicated PS5 version and then downporting it on PS4. See how Ratchet's environments have way better detail in the distance and only use the fog/haze techniques to blur out the details for objects way in the background. UE5 obviously doesnt even need to do that but forget UE5. We cant even match Ratchet anymore.
And I know this triggers a lot of people, but i went through youtube videos of all these games to capture screenshots with youtube compression to keep the comparison fair.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Please dont aim for native 4k, please dont aim for native 4k...
As much as I like Ratchet, It looks a step behind the other true next gen tech demos we have seen that have targeted far fewer pixels. Ratchet almost runs at a native 4k 50 fps in some areas consistently. Thats a big giant waste of the GPU. Id rather they target 1440p or 4kcb and use the other half of the GPU on pushing higher level of fidelity.
Been replaying Miles recently and i really dont see big difference between its cutscene Spidermen models and the ones they showed off last year. Maybe they are spending their GPU budget on next gen environments, destruction effects, etc.
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I may not be a fan of most Sony games, but I cannot wait to see what their 1st party devs do with next gen hardware when its ground up next gen content.
Sosokrates
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I think extra effects and lot of post processing effects will be added plus better shaders,textures, geometry.Please dont aim for native 4k, please dont aim for native 4k...
As much as I like Ratchet, It looks a step behind the other true next gen tech demos we have seen that have targeted far fewer pixels. Ratchet almost runs at a native 4k 50 fps in some areas consistently. Thats a big giant waste of the GPU. Id rather they target 1440p or 4kcb and use the other half of the GPU on pushing higher level of fidelity.
Been replaying Miles recently and i really dont see big difference between its cutscene Spidermen models and the ones they showed off last year. Maybe they are spending their GPU budget on next gen environments, destruction effects, etc.
Things like smoke and wind, physics etc
Would be pretty dope if there something like this in next Spidey
Johnny Concrete
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I’m pretty sure they don’t use the fog in GoW to hide the lack of detail in the background, I mean it’s 2022 and we’re not playing on the N64 anymore.GOW's last gen draw distance is really disappointing. Ive seen this in last gen games over and over again where devs either blur out detail in the distance or use fog/haze to hide the lack of it. The mines are probably just a 50 yards away and completely lacking detail as if Kratos has glaucoma or something.
I was hoping devs would look at what early gen games like Ratchet were doing despite running at native 4k 50 fps, but it seems they are simply allowing themselves to get shackled by the base PS4 GPU and arent creating a dedicated PS5 version and then downporting it on PS4. See how Ratchet's environments have way better detail in the distance and only use the fog/haze techniques to blur out the details for objects way in the background. UE5 obviously doesnt even need to do that but forget UE5. We cant even match Ratchet anymore.
And I know this triggers a lot of people, but i went through youtube videos of all these games to capture screenshots with youtube compression to keep the comparison fair.
The fog is there purely for atmospheric reasons.
But the fog does make the background very poorly contrasted, which is something the JPG compression of Youtube devours, so I expect the raw output on a 4K screen to be much more impressive looking.
If I compare these screenshots then I’m impressed with both, but there’s probably A LOT more geometric detail in Kratos’ model then in Ratchet’s. Which is not weird, since one is heavily stylized and the other is pushing a more realistic look.
From the latest GoW footage I was least impressed with the reflections in the water, still screenspace solutions, which look 90% of the time OK, but when it fails it’s rather jarring
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
That demo just makes me angry. Running on a freaking 970 at 1080p 60 fps. Thats a 3.5 tflops GPU from 2013.
It exposes just how creatively bankrupt this industry has become. No one wants to push the medium in any significant way other than maybe storytelling with ND and Rockstar.
I wouldnt be surprised if the 4.2 tflops PS4 Pro couldve run this demo at 1080p 30 fps even when held back by the shitty jaguar. I look at Demon Souls and Ratchet targetting 1440p 60 fps and native 4k and 50 fps, and I know for a fact that the PS4 Pro GPU wouldve been able to run those games at 1440p 30 fps. Though both those games heavily utilize the PS5's IO so maybe with far lower quality textures and in Ratchet's case, the completely removal of those portal setpieces.
Starfield is also targeting native 4k 30 fps. Why? It boasts some stunning vista shots but there is a lot of room for improvement when it comes to ground level detail, character model and cities. Forza 8 looks on par with the cross gen Forza Horizon 5. Also targeting 4k 60 fps. Why? The conspiracy theorist in me says that they want the 4 tflops xss to be able to run the game at 1080p but that still doesnt explain why so many Sony devs are targeting these native 4k resolutions.
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GymWolf
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Fucking THIS!
GymWolf
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I told you that i was absolutely not impressed by the models in that trailer.Please dont aim for native 4k, please dont aim for native 4k...
As much as I like Ratchet, It looks a step behind the other true next gen tech demos we have seen that have targeted far fewer pixels. Ratchet almost runs at a native 4k 50 fps in some areas consistently. Thats a big giant waste of the GPU. Id rather they target 1440p or 4kcb and use the other half of the GPU on pushing higher level of fidelity.
Been replaying Miles recently and i really dont see big difference between its cutscene Spidermen models and the ones they showed off last year. Maybe they are spending their GPU budget on next gen environments, destruction effects, etc.
I hope for a substantial upgrade in the next showing, i fear that rtx lights and city details are gonna prevale over characters details, i hope i'm wrong and that it's gonna be a balanced upgrade.
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Slothbeing1209
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In Gow Ragnarok new footage, that area have a lot of water. Of course it will have a lot of fogs.
And i don't think they added fog to hide anything. We're not in ps3 era anymore lol.
And i don't think they added fog to hide anything. We're not in ps3 era anymore lol.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
As long as I get buildings reflecting out of their ass and flying like in this gif, im willing to settle for a lack of upgrade in character models.
If base PS4 can do this then surely a GPU with roughly 8x more power can do the above.
GymWolf
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Yeah, why upgrading something that is always in front of the screen at any given moment and in every cutscene when you can waste half of your gpu for something that has an alternative way to be made with barely a difference unless you stop looking close to reflections while swinging at 200km\h...As long as I get buildings reflecting out of their ass and flying like in this gif, im willing to settle for a lack of upgrade in character models.
If base PS4 can do this then surely a GPU with roughly 8x more power can do the above.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol look at the gif above. Spiderman takes up like 2-5% of the screen max. In cutscenes, yeah they are a large focus, but they can always use higher fidelity models in cutscenes.
P.S See my GOW comparison above. They spent all the GPU budget on Kratos' detailed as fuck model, and left the rest of the world looking like its smeared in vaseline.
GymWolf
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Kratos doesn't look any more impressive or human than almost any random npc with one line of dialogue in hfw tbh, the more stylized style make him look maybe even less realistic...
And don't let me even start on fucking freya or little shit.
I always had a problem with basically any human model in gow 2018 that wasn't kratos, they never wowed me.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yeah, i just meant detailed relative to the world detail. It's like they blew their already limited GPU budget on Kratos and forgot that Kratos only takes up around 10-15% of the screen at max.
And Freya's character model receiving zero upgrades whatsoever made me laugh, cry and briefly contemplate account suicide.
Like dude, can you at least use next gen hair for this woman. If Fifa can do it why not GOW? Insmoniac had a pretty significant hair upgrade for their characters in the PS5 version of Miles while offering native 4k 40 fps visuals with ray traced reflections.
Loxus
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Really? Both these are from the first God of War Ragnarok trailer.
God of War Ragnarok does fall short in detail variety. Besides that it still looks realistic.
Like the snow texture on the ground.
Or the ground texture here.
It still has it limitations in some areas as it's still a PS4 game.
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Loxus
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I wouldn't exactly say zero upgrades but it's still an improvement.Yeah, i just meant detailed relative to the world detail. It's like they blew their already limited GPU budget on Kratos and forgot that Kratos only takes up around 10-15% of the screen at max.
And Freya's character model receiving zero upgrades whatsoever made me laugh, cry and briefly contemplate account suicide.
Like dude, can you at least use next gen hair for this woman. If Fifa can do it why not GOW? Insmoniac had a pretty significant hair upgrade for their characters in the PS5 version of Miles while offering native 4k 40 fps visuals with ray traced reflections.
God of War 4 Freya
vs God of War Ragnarok Freya
TheRedRiders
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I wouldn't exactly say zero upgrades but it's still an improvement.
God of War 4 Freya
vs God of War Ragnarok Freya
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Agreed. I motion to dismiss (With prejudice) the game and discussion of any other cross gen game removed henceforth from this thread. Do we have any ayes?
Good god this is some gorgeous stuff. The day we have graphics that match this is the day I will cherish forever!
GymWolf
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Loxus, i don't wanna fight, but this is a random npc in hfw with LITERALLY one small line of dialogue, does it look any less detailed or human than kratos to you?
I can't find the close up (it exist, i just can't found it) but i assure you that skin detail wise is on par with kratos if not better (he even has peach fuzz ffs), and you can judge the details on the armour and the glorious nipples by yourself even without a close up.
I repeat myself, a less than tertiary character with one line, no quest in a gigantic open world game with hundreds of them.
If you can't see why i'm not impressed with the model of fucking kratos in a ps5 game, i really don't have better arguments, kratos should fucking nuclearize the model of a random npc from an open world game, i should not be able to even do such a comparison but here we are.
And believe me, you REALLY don't want a comparison between freya and another random npc from hfw because that get WAY worse...
Little shit (or teenage shit to be precise) looks terrible in that pic, from hairs to skin details to microdetails like lips, eyes etc, the compression of that pic doens't help but i'm not sure what you are on about, those models don't have even the weakest smell of nextgen, i can pick models from sony ps4 games that are on par or superior to everything you posted but i really don't wanna engage in another pointless screenshot war, believe me or not i hope that the next showing of ragnarock is gonna make me eat tons of crows because all of this is not impressive in the slightest.
fuck me i'm more impressed by returnal at this point...
If you wanted to pick the best models from ragnarock you should have chose angrboda that is inexplicably way more detailed and "human" than everything else.
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SlimySnake
, is it me or the armours leather details in many of these pics looks off? like they look fine on kratos in the ingame pic but in the close up they look strange, it may be the low quality of the pics.
I can't find the close up (it exist, i just can't found it) but i assure you that skin detail wise is on par with kratos if not better (he even has peach fuzz ffs), and you can judge the details on the armour and the glorious nipples by yourself even without a close up.
I repeat myself, a less than tertiary character with one line, no quest in a gigantic open world game with hundreds of them.
If you can't see why i'm not impressed with the model of fucking kratos in a ps5 game, i really don't have better arguments, kratos should fucking nuclearize the model of a random npc from an open world game, i should not be able to even do such a comparison but here we are.
And believe me, you REALLY don't want a comparison between freya and another random npc from hfw because that get WAY worse...
Little shit (or teenage shit to be precise) looks terrible in that pic, from hairs to skin details to microdetails like lips, eyes etc, the compression of that pic doens't help but i'm not sure what you are on about, those models don't have even the weakest smell of nextgen, i can pick models from sony ps4 games that are on par or superior to everything you posted but i really don't wanna engage in another pointless screenshot war, believe me or not i hope that the next showing of ragnarock is gonna make me eat tons of crows because all of this is not impressive in the slightest.
fuck me i'm more impressed by returnal at this point...
If you wanted to pick the best models from ragnarock you should have chose angrboda that is inexplicably way more detailed and "human" than everything else.
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SlimySnake
, is it me or the armours leather details in many of these pics looks off? like they look fine on kratos in the ingame pic but in the close up they look strange, it may be the low quality of the pics.
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Negotiator101
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It's not the showcase the original 2018 was that's the problem. Sony first party so far have not been producing next generation graphics as of yet (Ratchet is probably the best so far) Microsoft have had an even more mixed bag but arguably Flightsim is the only true next gen looking game.I wouldn't exactly say zero upgrades but it's still an improvement.
God of War 4 Freya
vs God of War Ragnarok Freya
2023 is going to be the year when we see what these consoles are actually capable of, only then will certain people realise what we've had so far is underwhelming.
Slothbeing1209
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Low quality picture using sharpening filter or some AI enlarge picture tool.Also
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Loxus
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Nah, it ain't no fighting. It's discussing next-gen graphics. Which this thread is about.Loxus, i don't wanna fight, but this is a random npc in hfw with LITERALLY one small line of dialogue, does it look any less detailed or human than kratos to you?
I can't find the close up (it exist, i just can't found it) but i assure you that skin detail wise is on par with kratos if not better (he even has peach fuzz ffs), and you can judge the details on the armour and the glorious nipples by yourself even without a close up.
I repeat myself, a less than tertiary character with one line, no quest in a gigantic open world game with hundreds of them.
If you can't see why i'm not impressed with the model of fucking kratos in a ps5 game, i really don't have better arguments, kratos should fucking nuclearize the model of a random npc from an open world game, i should not be able to even do such a comparison but here we are.
And believe me, you REALLY don't want a comparison between freya and another random npc from hfw because that get WAY worse...
Little shit (or teenage shit to be precise) looks terrible in that pic, from hairs to skin details to microdetails like lips, eyes etc, the compression of that pic doens't help but i'm not sure what you are on about, those models don't have even the weakest smell of nextgen, i can pick models from sony ps4 games that are on par or superior to everything you posted but i really don't wanna engage in another pointless screenshot war, believe me or not i hope that the next showing of ragnarock is gonna make me eat tons of crows because all of this is not impressive in the slightest.
fuck me i'm more impressed by returnal at this point...
If you wanted to pick the best models from ragnarock you should have chose angrboda that is inexplicably way more detailed and "human" than everything else.
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These pictures are the original pic I used.
When zoomed in from that distance, Kratos still wrecks that npc in details.
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That guy looks better then kratos imo. Its the eyes. And dam, even the NPC's have some peach fuzz.Loxus, i don't wanna fight, but this is a random npc in hfw with LITERALLY one small line of dialogue, does it look any less detailed or human than kratos to you?
I can't find the close up (it exist, i just can't found it) but i assure you that skin detail wise is on par with kratos if not better (he even has peach fuzz ffs), and you can judge the details on the armour and the glorious nipples by yourself even without a close up.
I repeat myself, a less than tertiary character with one line, no quest in a gigantic open world game with hundreds of them.
If you can't see why i'm not impressed with the model of fucking kratos in a ps5 game, i really don't have better arguments, kratos should fucking nuclearize the model of a random npc from an open world game, i should not be able to even do such a comparison but here we are.
And believe me, you REALLY don't want a comparison between freya and another random npc from hfw because that get WAY worse...
Little shit (or teenage shit to be precise) looks terrible in that pic, from hairs to skin details to microdetails like lips, eyes etc, the compression of that pic doens't help but i'm not sure what you are on about, those models don't have even the weakest smell of nextgen, i can pick models from sony ps4 games that are on par or superior to everything you posted but i really don't wanna engage in another pointless screenshot war, believe me or not i hope that the next showing of ragnarock is gonna make me eat tons of crows because all of this is not impressive in the slightest.
fuck me i'm more impressed by returnal at this point...
If you wanted to pick the best models from ragnarock you should have chose angrboda that is inexplicably way more detailed and "human" than everything else.
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Peach fuzz = next gen
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I have no idea why that girl looks more detailed than everyone else in GOW. If they have the tech, why not use it to enhance everyone? It almost looks like that the characters designed from scratch got more love than the ones they simply ported over from the first game. Maybe they shouldve done the same for all models. Start from a clean slate.Loxus, i don't wanna fight, but this is a random npc in hfw with LITERALLY one small line of dialogue, does it look any less detailed or human than kratos to you?
I can't find the close up (it exist, i just can't found it) but i assure you that skin detail wise is on par with kratos if not better (he even has peach fuzz ffs), and you can judge the details on the armour and the glorious nipples by yourself even without a close up.
I repeat myself, a less than tertiary character with one line, no quest in a gigantic open world game with hundreds of them.
If you can't see why i'm not impressed with the model of fucking kratos in a ps5 game, i really don't have better arguments, kratos should fucking nuclearize the model of a random npc from an open world game, i should not be able to even do such a comparison but here we are.
And believe me, you REALLY don't want a comparison between freya and another random npc from hfw because that get WAY worse...
Little shit (or teenage shit to be precise) looks terrible in that pic, from hairs to skin details to microdetails like lips, eyes etc, the compression of that pic doens't help but i'm not sure what you are on about, those models don't have even the weakest smell of nextgen, i can pick models from sony ps4 games that are on par or superior to everything you posted but i really don't wanna engage in another pointless screenshot war, believe me or not i hope that the next showing of ragnarock is gonna make me eat tons of crows because all of this is not impressive in the slightest.
fuck me i'm more impressed by returnal at this point...
If you wanted to pick the best models from ragnarock you should have chose angrboda that is inexplicably way more detailed and "human" than everything else.
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And lol at that character model in HFW. I am a graphics whore but I despise the fact that they spent so much time designing, mocapping and animating every single NPC. Like why? Who asked for this? lol. Spend that time on reworking the combat engine which feels half baked and the open world which feels strangely empty this time around. But yes, it is mind boggling how amazing these random people look in this game. THere must be a hundred of them if not more and they are all designed with the care you'd expect a main character to receive.
As for the textures on Kratos, I think they look fine for a last gen game. The textures in TLOU2 character model clothes are much worse. GOW always had a slightly cartoony almost stylized look so maybe thats why the leather and armor dont look that impressive despite the details being apparent, but he looks better than most other cross gen games.
GymWolf
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I'm still trying to understand what kratos is wreking here...his skin is not exactly what i would call super realistic...
But you need a native close up of a character for that type of comparison.
Let's try this 2(try to not be distracted by how fugly npc are in horizon, just look at the skin details)
The fact that less than tertiary character in a gigantic open world somehow compete with the main protgonist of gow is the point that some people can't understand...
This comparions should not even be remotely possible, kratos should look BETTER than this without a single sweat
These guys beating to a pulp santa monica in terms of character details should not be possible dude.
But you need a native close up of a character for that type of comparison.
Let's try this 2(try to not be distracted by how fugly npc are in horizon, just look at the skin details)
The fact that less than tertiary character in a gigantic open world somehow compete with the main protgonist of gow is the point that some people can't understand...
This comparions should not even be remotely possible, kratos should look BETTER than this without a single sweat
These guys beating to a pulp santa monica in terms of character details should not be possible dude.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Nah that gas lighting nonsense wont fly in this thread. Either learn to accept other opinions or live in your bubble like in other threads. This nonsense about people criticizing TLOU's graphics just because they have a hate boner was ridiculous as it is, now we are being told we hate GOW. Get the fuck outta here. GOW is my favorite Sony game of the last gen and TLOU2 was my GOTY that Ive spent 2 years defending on this board. If you cant handle criticism of last gen graphics without resorting to calling everyone haters then perhaps this thread isnt for you.
Loxus
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I'm still trying to understand what kratos is wreking here...his skin is not exactly what i would call super realistic...
But you need a native close up of a character for that type of comparison.
Let's try this 2(try to not be distracted by how fugly npc are in horizon, just look at the skin details)
The fact that less than tertiary character in a gigantic open world somehow compete with the main protgonist of gow is the point that some people can't understand...
This comparions should not even be remotely possible, kratos should look BETTER than this without a single sweat
Both these games are close in detail.
But I give up, keep trolling.
GymWolf
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Dude i literally told you to post angrboda pic , but aloy still looks way better than her (except the hairs), maybe try some better close up when you are trying to demonstrate that i'm the troll in a skin details comparison
well i can't post the pic, it's a ree link so i'm gonna use the spoiler (open the spoilers in the post that says aloy the model)
, but aloy still looks way better than her (except the hairs), maybe try some better close up when you are trying to demonstrate that i'm the troll in a skin details comparisonwell i can't post the pic, it's a ree link so i'm gonna use the spoiler (open the spoilers in the post that says aloy the model)
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I'm still trying to understand what kratos is wreking here...his skin is not exactly what i would call super realistic...
But you need a native close up of a character for that type of comparison.
Let's try this 2(try to not be distracted by how fugly npc are in horizon, just look at the skin details)
The fact that less than tertiary character in a gigantic open world somehow compete with the main protgonist of gow is the point that some people can't understand...
This comparions should not even be remotely possible, kratos should look BETTER than this without a single sweat
These guys beating to a pulp santa monica in terms of character details should not be possible dude.
lol haha. Yeah, they look amazing but fugly as hell. It's like Sony studios are in a competition between themselves on who can make the ugliest looking women in a game. I refuse to believe that these studios based out of LA and fucking Amsterdam think this is what average women look like. Both cities have some of the finest looking women walking around on every corner.
Anyway, I said this in another thread, but HFW looks so much better even on base PS4 because they were clever enough to reduce the base PS4 game's resolution down from 1080p to 900p reducing their pixel budget by around 45%. Thats a lot of GPU power they received in return which was obviously put into rendering these amazing character models. They are also using software VRS on base PS4 to reduce the GPU load even more. I wouldnt be surprised if their GPU load is equivalent to rendering a 720p game thanks to VRS. It definitely hurts the base PS4's IQ which looks like a blurry mess but lets face it, almost no one is playing the game on that console. 70% of sales were on PS5 despite the free upgrade on PS4. If I had to guess, around 10% max were on PS4 and PS4 Pro so probably another 50-50 split there. Good decision by GG.
I highly doubt SSM is doing that. If they are, im not seeing where the improvements are going. Lighting, character models, environment detail all look very close to GOW 2018. Definitely not a Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2, Ass Creed 1 to Ass Creed 2 or a HZD to HFW caliber leap we typically see for games in the same generation. I even saw some brave souls on era say it looks like DLC because of how similar it looks so despite what some might say, we arent trolling or being a hater.
Even Sucker Punch, ND, Insomniac were able to make big leaps from their first game to their last game on PS4. Different games so no direct comparisons, but its clear GoT looked a lot better than Infamous, and SPiderman looks a lot better than Ratchet. TLOU2 is in another league compared to U4. The only studios who werent able to have that leap are Polyphony Digital and SSM. But graphical powerhouses of yesteryear.
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GymWolf
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Yeah i could understand if we were the only 2 guys noticing this but in the 2 past topic with game informer pics, majority of people were cold or downright negative about the graphic, you musb be really live in a world by yourself to think that this negative reaction is something remotely new.
Again happy to be proved wrong by the next showing, maybe they put all their efforts on the locations, lights, physics etc. But from the footage we have i'm not exactly confident, also i'm a character models whore so i always hope for the opposite.
Again happy to be proved wrong by the next showing, maybe they put all their efforts on the locations, lights, physics etc. But from the footage we have i'm not exactly confident, also i'm a character models whore so i always hope for the opposite.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I distinctly remember evil lore saying it looked more like an expansion from a graphics point of view when it was first shown last year. So these guys might as well be calling the owner of this site a troll and a hater lol
arkhamguy123
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GoW Ragnarok is the poster boy of the downfalls of cross gen. It epitomizes exactly what people fear when they hear a game is cross gen
Graphics barley even flirting with what the new console is capable of/game design nakedly obviously restrictive and reined in for last gen
Graphics barley even flirting with what the new console is capable of/game design nakedly obviously restrictive and reined in for last gen
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Sosokrates
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Ragnarok looks very good cross gen, but I feel the desire for the next big playstation exclusive to be the best thing ever may be clouding some people's judgement.
Guerilla have SSM beat in character rendering and I would say overall visuals too.
Guerilla have SSM beat in character rendering and I would say overall visuals too.
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arkhamguy123
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A little reductive. We saw a real time UE5 demo teasing next gen fidelity over two years ago that thus far dunks on every Sony game released and especially GOW Ragnarok. Sony studios have been known since the PS3 generation pre 2010, and some would say even as early as the PS2 gen for pushing graphics in tech in exciting ways that look amazing and blow you away.
$500 is a decent amount of money for most people in the 2020's and when people drop that and get a 4K PS4 game for that when they know what their system can really do, I think the disappointed reaction is justified. But hey that's just my opinion.
Sosokrates
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Im struggling to find the relevance this has to my post.
If people want to be disappointed because of cross gen, I understand that, but what I said was nothing to do with that.
I accepted the cross gen situation a while ago, now I will just enjoy the games for what they are and souped up last gen games are still very impressive visually. Hell, im still impressed by UC4 on ps5 and infinite on xsx.
Dampf
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You are right, GoW Ragnarök is last gen through and through. The texture detail, geometry, draw distance and lighting are all very much rooted in the PS4 version, sadly.GOW's last gen draw distance is really disappointing. Ive seen this in last gen games over and over again where devs either blur out detail in the distance or use fog/haze to hide the lack of it. The mines are probably just a 50 yards away and completely lacking detail as if Kratos has glaucoma or something.
I was hoping devs would look at what early gen games like Ratchet were doing despite running at native 4k 50 fps, but it seems they are simply allowing themselves to get shackled by the base PS4 GPU and arent creating a dedicated PS5 version and then downporting it on PS4. See how Ratchet's environments have way better detail in the distance and only use the fog/haze techniques to blur out the details for objects way in the background. UE5 obviously doesnt even need to do that but forget UE5. We cant even match Ratchet anymore.
And I know this triggers a lot of people, but i went through youtube videos of all these games to capture screenshots with youtube compression to keep the comparison fair.
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arkhamguy123
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Maybe I misunderstood "but I feel the desire for the next big playstation exclusive to be the best thing ever may be clouding some people's judgement." Seemed like handwaving of the games so so visuals.
Negotiator101
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Halo Infinite? I'm very underwhelmed by that game in particular (it's Halo Microsofts flagship game) it's character models are Xbox One levels or worse PS3 and I'm not exaggerating. Other things it does better but as a whole it's not good enough even by last generation standards. At least this new GOW is still looking very impressive if not quite next generation.
GymWolf
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I think he was talking for the people who dismiss the criticism, not the opposite.
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