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PlayStation: Xbox's Call of Duty offer was "inadequate on many levels"

Kagey K

Banned
Gaf and reality are two parallel tracks... this place is full of armchair experts nowadays and way less gamers that it used to have... here we argue about games not play them
I like to do both. 😅
Sounds similar to the Sony/Bungie acquisition threads...
I dont recall seeing that much, most people agreed that they would get it back from expansions and MTX, but I obviously can't read every single comment on the forum.

I think most people were just dissapointed it wasn't Square, even if Square doesn't want to sell everyone here has a hard on for Sony forcing them into a sale.
 

MacReady13

Member
How many games will you have purchased by the end of this year? And if so, which games?
It's not a matter of number but quality. I don't need 200 games on a service to quench my thirst. I never had that many growing up playing my consoles and I don't need that much today. There isn't that much quality out that I feel like I'm missing anything.

How about exerting some control and buying games you truly want, playing 1 at a time and really enjoying the process instead of bragging about having so many games you may never actually play?
 

Kagey K

Banned
It's not a matter of number but quality. I don't need 200 games on a service to quench my thirst. I never had that many growing up playing my consoles and I don't need that much today. There isn't that much quality out that I feel like I'm missing anything.

How about exerting some control and buying games you truly want, playing 1 at a time and really enjoying the process instead of bragging about having so many games you may never actually play?
Everyone games differently. Your 1 or 2 games per year is no better or worse than someone else playing 60.

Your "quality" can also be very different.

The thing is maybe some people don't know what they want, until "that game" clicks for them, instead of just buying all the top rated games and having no fun (for them) with all of it.

My kids used to only like chicken nuggets, or cheeseburgers or fries.

But then I got them to try steak, mashed potatoes and sushi and they realized there are more good foods out there than the staples they are used to.

They learned to try different things once, and if they don't like it they don't have to try it again

Thier pallete is greatly expanded, and they can still have nuggets, burgers and fries, while enjoying all the other stuff out there.

Gaming is the same, and Gamepass/Playpass makes it easier to expand than ever.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Translation: we thought we could mooch off of multiplatform shooters forever. Please don't take COD from us! 🙄
So true.

PS3 era: We dont need giant third party FPS deals. We got KZ, Resistance, MAG, SOCOM and even a Haze partnership.

Oh shit. Gamers arent sticking around online. Time to bail ship on shooters.

PS4 era: "We are pleased to announce partnerships with Activision for COD" Marketing, timed DLC, early betas you name it..... for 8 years

PS5 era: "MS is trying to get government approval buying Activision and we're getting a raw deal back from Phil Spencer" "Oh by the way we just bought Bungie for $3 billion too, where Destiny is a top franchise too"
 
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MacReady13

Member
Everyone games differently. Your 1 or 2 games per year is no better or worse than someone else playing 60.

Your "quality" can also be very different.

The thing is maybe some people don't know what they want, until "that game" clicks for them, instead of just buying all the top rated games and having no fun (for them) with all of it.
I can assure you I buy more than 1 or 2 a year. But I don't need to pay a subscription to see what I like. I'll play a demo or watch videos of games being played. Even read reviews. Again, whatever it costs a month is not worth it for me to line their pockets to play a game or games I have no interest in playing. At the end of the day I don't want a subscription future for gaming. You see what happens with tv shows and movies now being made for Netflix and other sub services- the quality is generally awful. I don't want gaming to go the same path.
 

Kagey K

Banned
I can assure you I buy more than 1 or 2 a year. But I don't need to pay a subscription to see what I like. I'll play a demo or watch videos of games being played. Even read reviews. Again, whatever it costs a month is not worth it for me to line their pockets to play a game or games I have no interest in playing. At the end of the day I don't want a subscription future for gaming. You see what happens with tv shows and movies now being made for Netflix and other sub services- the quality is generally awful. I don't want gaming to go the same path.
You sound like the vynl holdouts when cassettes came out and the cassette holdouts when CDs came (I was one)

Change the world friend. You can do it
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I can assure you I buy more than 1 or 2 a year. But I don't need to pay a subscription to see what I like. I'll play a demo or watch videos of games being played. Even read reviews. Again, whatever it costs a month is not worth it for me to line their pockets to play a game or games I have no interest in playing. At the end of the day I don't want a subscription future for gaming. You see what happens with tv shows and movies now being made for Netflix and other sub services- the quality is generally awful. I don't want gaming to go the same path.
I like movie and gaming sub plans. If I'm that itching to watch a hot movie or game day one I'll do it. If not, I'll wait for sub plan. I like EA NHL, but I'll gladly wait 9 months for it to come to EA Play.

You dont do any sub plans? No gaming, movie or music sub plans? You buy all content?
 

Kagey K

Banned
I like movie and gaming sub plans. If I'm that itching to watch a hot movie or game day one I'll do it. If not, I'll wait for sub plan. I like EA NHL, but I'll gladly wait 9 months for it to come to EA Play.

You dont do any sub plans? No gaming, movie or music sub plans? You buy all content?
You bet your ass, that dude is hzrdcore, no Netflix, Prime, Spotify in that house.

He buys what he likes and that's that.

Otherwise he's lining the pockets of studios he doesn't support.

Right?
 

plip.plop

Member
This thread is still going on over a game that is considered by most on here to be trash. PS fans should be happy that this will most likely jumpstart Sony into creating that COD killer.
 

Graciaus

Member
Cry more. It's inadequate because it might actually effect your bottom line years from now. Sony has been coasting for years just shitting on Microsoft. A kick in the ass is what they need.
 

Kagey K

Banned
This thread is still going on over a game that is considered by most on here to be trash. PS fans should be happy that this will most likely jumpstart Sony into creating that COD killer.
Obviously Sony was to be concerned, they know it's thier bread and butter. They make a fuckton for doing nothing.

The amount of replies here only helps to reinforce that.
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
I can't ev3n imagine what kind of comments must be in this thread to hit 28 pages....has the deal gone through yet?

That bungie purchase is looking more obvious now....Sony personally attacking Phil.

Also, how is destiny not on the same level as cod? If I was MS I'd just bring that up. You know Sony is going to do everything in their power to hold that game off xbox and rightfully so. Sony knows that's Phils favourite game.

The war is going stronger than ever behind the scenes for these two.
 
I honestly feel that the 3 year guaranteed extension of parity-equal games offer (lol get fucked marketing deal, crossplay tax, and timed exclusive multiplayer modes) is simply for the regulators in language they can understand. I highly doubt MS has any intention of ever removing CoD from PS, as it really is too much of a behemoth to make it worth giving up the 70% of PS sales.


2027

MS - Hey Sony, you want this year's CoD?

Sony - Yeah...

MS - Cool, we're going to give you the exact same game for $70, it's going to be crossplay, and we're going to take 70 percent of everything. We're also going to to advertise to casuals that they can play it for $15 per month without even having to buy a console, that's not a problem, right?

Sony - No, it's not a problem, we're incapable of producing a competitor to CoD.
 

Kagey K

Banned
I can't ev3n imagine what kind of comments must be in this thread to hit 28 pages....has the deal gone through yet?

That bungie purchase is looking more obvious now....Sony personally attacking Phil.

Also, how is destiny not on the same level as cod? If I was MS I'd just bring that up. You know Sony is going to do everything in their power to hold that game off xbox and rightfully so. Sony knows that's Phils favourite game.

The war is going stronger than ever behind the scenes for these two.
The problem with this thinking is the fact Bungie settled with Sony, they tried to come back and Phil told them to piss off.

https://www.windowscentral.com/bungie-almost-went-back-microsoft-destiny-activision-deal

Never take an ex who promises she changed, while out hoeing
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Cry more. It's inadequate because it might actually effect your bottom line years from now. Sony has been coasting for years just shitting on Microsoft. A kick in the ass is what they need.
They already got off their ass.

With the COD feedbag being at risk years from now and zero first party shooters to compensate at the moment because they focused first party on almost all SP narrative games the past 10 years except GT and baseball, so they bolted to buy Bungie for $3 billion to ride Destiny and whatever other GAAS games they got in production to fill the gap.

It's the biggest shooter GAAS game on the market to buy since the other big ones like Apex, Fortnite, PUBG etc.... are all under giant corporations like EA, Epic and the Chinese company that owns PUBG.
 
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Kagey K

Banned
They already got off their ass.

With the COD feedbag being at risk years from now and zero first party shooters to compensate at the moment, they bolted to buy Bungie for $3 billion to ride Destiny and whatever other GAAS games they got in production to fill the gap.

It's the biggest shooter GAAS game on the market to buy since the other big ones like Apex, Fortnite, PUBG etc.... are all under giant corporations like EA, Epic and the Chinese company that owns PUBG.
Under what Bungie said Sony doesn't really benefit from it short term. They are treating Sony like a Big Brother when Sony wants to fuck.

They gonna get friend zoned soon and Bungie will be looking for a new partner.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Under what Bungie said Sony doesn't really benefit from it short term. They are treating Sony like a Big Brother when Sony wants to fuck.

They gonna get friend zoned soon and Bungie will be looking for a new partner.
No doubt.

Give Bungie till next gen. They already snuggled with MS and Activision. Now Sony. At some point they'll break off and look for the next highest bidder.
 

Kagey K

Banned
No doubt.

Give Bungie till next gen. They already snuggled with MS and Activision. Now Sony. At some point they'll break off and look for the next highest bidder.
Problem is, like all hoes, they eventually run out of suitors and wonder why they die alone.

When they end up with Tencent or Embracer they will just say "I used to be hot"
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
Company needed exclusive content and acquired previously multiplatform developers for that purpose. Same principle, different scope.
I guess if you wish it hard enough to be true it becomes so, but no and often it is exactly the scope and these pesky technical details that make one thing much worse and that is what anti competition laws used to and should focus on.

Even the principle, buying Insomniac vs buying id Software and making both exclusives… ok let’s unwrap it: developer whose output was almost always exclusive to PS console anyways vs developer with almost all titles that reached all platforms since their inception (the latter bought as part of a publisher and while stating that they had no intention to restrict access but to give access to more people… only to announce games were becoming exclusive). Yep same thing if you squint real hard.

You’ve been making your ‘moneyhat’ argument in the past few pages with principle in mind. Why change now? There’s literally an image above bringing up purchased exclusivity of Munch’s Odyssey in response to comments about purchased exclusivity of the likes of FF 7R and SF5. Is the impact the same?

Look at principle and intent. There’s credible info that Sony bid over $1bn to buy Leyou, a publisher. So it’s clear both companies see acquisition as a viable strategy for first party expansion.
In summary… We double down on timed exclusives (again one company was doing it while criticising others for the same practice) at the same level as buying a publisher (let alone two of the biggest ones), then we judge rumours and speculation for a good SonyToo feeling… 🤷‍♂️.

SF5 was a case involving a Capcom in a very different financial situation but I am not saying Sony never worked to have exclusives (exclusives being bad is Good Guy Phil’s point ;), as you said the devil is in the detail… buying the two biggest publishers and making their games exclusive cannot be compared to that, c’mon…), FF7R not sure is there a money hat or Square did not bother bringing it to Xbox?

Again, the argument “f competition laws, my corporate daddy will crush yours and laws are toothless” would sound more credible and honest than this back and forth in this thread.
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
Under what Bungie said Sony doesn't really benefit from it short term. They are treating Sony like a Big Brother when Sony wants to fuck.

They gonna get friend zoned soon and Bungie will be looking for a new partner.
Wow, that's crazy....bungie really be hoeing. Interested to see what happens at Sony.
 

Kagey K

Banned
Wow, that's crazy....bungie really be hoeing. Interested to see what happens at Sony.
They will want to be independent again, and just terminate the contract (I think it's 5 Years for this one) and go shopping.

The M.O is terrible with this company and it's no wonder MS refused.

Short term gain for long term pain isn't worth it

If Sony integrates thier systems into other games it will be hell for them.
 
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It's not a matter of number but quality. I don't need 200 games on a service to quench my thirst. I never had that many growing up playing my consoles and I don't need that much today. There isn't that much quality out that I feel like I'm missing anything.

How about exerting some control and buying games you truly want, playing 1 at a time and really enjoying the process instead of bragging about having so many games you may never actually play?

I can assure you I buy more than 1 or 2 a year. But I don't need to pay a subscription to see what I like. I'll play a demo or watch videos of games being played. Even read reviews.

Ahhh ok I understand:

Knowing that you buy up to 3 retail games a year (which, including tax, costs more than the yearly cost of Gamepass Ultimate), you'll choose to play only those 3 games over having access to those same games, plus a library of new and old games you have never played?

Either you dont understand why subscription services exist or you don't actually own an Xbox and are just in here freestyling random shit now that people have quoted you.
 

Menzies

Banned
I guess if you wish it hard enough to be true it becomes so, but no and often it is exactly the scope and these pesky technical details that make one thing much worse and that is what anti competition laws used to and should focus on.

Even the principle, buying Insomniac vs buying id Software and making both exclusives… ok let’s unwrap it: developer whose output was almost always exclusive to PS console anyways vs developer with almost all titles that reached all platforms since their inception (the latter bought as part of a publisher and while stating that they had no intention to restrict access but to give access to more people… only to announce games were becoming exclusive). Yep same thing if you squint real hard.


In summary… We double down on timed exclusives (again one company was doing it while criticising others for the same practice) at the same level as buying a publisher (let alone two of the biggest ones), then we judge rumours and speculation for a good SonyToo feeling… 🤷‍♂️.

SF5 was a case involving a Capcom in a very different financial situation but I am not saying Sony never worked to have exclusives (exclusives being bad is Good Guy Phil’s point ;), as you said the devil is in the detail… buying the two biggest publishers and making their games exclusive cannot be compared to that, c’mon…), FF7R not sure is there a money hat or Square did not bother bringing it to Xbox?

Again, the argument “f competition laws, my corporate daddy will crush yours and laws are toothless” would sound more credible and honest than this back and forth in this thread.
What you should squint and focus on is the holistic picture, and exactly when regulators should interfere with markets.

There was a good-to-high chance Xbox was going to bow out recently. They made their own mistakes for sure, however, the squeezing was really felt with the 'death of a thousand cuts' with a dominant market player with access to cheap exclusive deals, slowly starving them out of content.

When Microsoft purchased Zenimax - how many exclusives were Sony pumping out compared to Xbox? Is there a huge discrepancy with buying 10 studios over time, versus a catch-up big purchase? Should they have engaged each developer pre-purchase for a one-off exclusive to make it more organic? Just so fans across the aisle could gestate the idea of it better?

One of these companies has market power to raise prices.

The whole picture, that's what anti competition laws should focus on.
 

oldergamer

Member
He is talking about the exclusive deal that prevent some of the COD games from being on xbox while having exclusive marketing with COD that prevents it hitting game pass day 1?

The deal they offered to extend?

I dunno. I dont see how this helps him. Especially after raising prices.
 

phil_t98

#SonyToo

again Sony try to do there best to block games on other platforms

if people think back to just before this gen started and there is a thread on here about it Sony were offering to money hat exclusivity and approached all the big studios. to be fair this was Microsofts response. if you look in the thread people were applauding Sony for doing that approach
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
What you should squint and focus on is the holistic picture, and exactly when regulators should interfere with markets.
Agreed, when a player far richer starts using outside funds from other near monopoly markets to starve the competition out of games buying large publishers would be a good time to take a gander. It could help if that same company had already been found guilty of abusing their monopoly in both the US and EU and is quite well know for abusing their control of industries too.

There was a good-to-high chance Xbox was going to bow out recently.
The reasons where their own, it was not Sony unfairly squeezing them out, this is revisionist history.

They made their own mistakes for sure, however, the squeezing was really felt with the 'death of a thousand cuts' with a dominant market player with access to cheap exclusive deals, slowly starving them out of content.
Again revisionist history and a bit hilarious too if you think about it as MS, especially compared for their size, was the one not growing their internal stable of studios and relying on timed and full exclusives a lot, locking competitors from their network (see reasons why FFXI never allowed cross platform gameplay and FFXIV never even arrived there… before they were Falling behind and suddenly cross platform gameplay became important).

MS itself was thinking if they wanted to bother or not with making plastic boxes until they made a plan to use their wealth to move the battle to content streaming/subscriptions and had regulators finally off their backs after years of very close oversight… what did they do after? Took their Azure/Windows/Office money and started pouring almost $100 Billion to buy permanent exclusives while singing the praises of bringing games to more people ;).

When Microsoft purchased Zenimax - how many exclusives were Sony pumping out compared to Xbox?
How many were those developed by their own studios they grew over time (sure compare ND now to the huge kennel it was in the post Crash Bandicoot days lol). Same thing with Insomniac which they have been growing a lot by hiring (both companies had aligned themselves to Sony from the start too).

Is there a huge discrepancy with buying 10 studios over time, versus a catch-up big purchase?
Yes and the size and IP controlled by said studios matters too. “Next question: is hiring 50,000 people that different from buying publishers with 50,000 people working for them in one big purchase and making that publisher’s games exclusive?”…

One of these companies has market power to raise prices.
If you are a $3 Trillion dollar company with huge margins and raise prices, cough… Apple cough…, is one thing but sure let’s compare the PS5 price increase and put it in the mix… sorry, but still feels like throwing things at the wall and false equivalences.
 

Louay

Member
"wahhh wahhh MS bought Publishers, wahh wahh Sony bought timed exclusive games" instead of whining ? maybe get a job to get these platforms to play games ? or just you can ignore the games and move on it's just video games.


3P Publisher and indies Studios have no obligation to release the games on Sony and MS Platforms, it's hilarious to think they must release their games on said platform.
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius

again Sony try to do there best to block games on other platforms

if people think back to just before this gen started and there is a thread on here about it Sony were offering to money hat exclusivity and approached all the big studios. to be fair this was Microsofts response. if you look in the thread people were applauding Sony for doing that approach

Whoa… the power of rumors vs pouring $70+ Billion to actually buy two of the largest publishers…
 

Ozriel

M$FT
I guess if you wish it hard enough to be true it becomes so, but no and often it is exactly the scope and these pesky technical details that make one thing much worse and that is what anti competition laws used to and should focus on.

Even the principle, buying Insomniac vs buying id Software and making both exclusives… ok let’s unwrap it: developer whose output was almost always exclusive to PS console anyways vs developer with almost all titles that reached all platforms since their inception (the latter bought as part of a publisher and while stating that they had no intention to restrict access but to give access to more people… only to announce games were becoming exclusive). Yep same thing if you squint real hard.

The same Insomniac studio that pitched Sunset Overdrive to Microsoft?
Same Insomniac that as at 2017 were saying they’d be happy to make Sunset Overdrive 2 with Microsoft or possibly multiplatform if any other publisher was interested?

Insomniac was a multi-platform studio for hire. Just way more often tapped up by Sony for games, and as at the beginning of the PS4/Xbox One generation, they were clearly pushing for deals where they owned the IPs.

“Most of their games were PlayStation so there’s no loss”

Well, most of Remedy’s output in the past 10 years were on Xbox alone. If MS had picked them up, would you have had Control on PlayStation?

I guess if you wish it hard enough to be true it becomes so, but no and often it is exactly the scope and these pesky technical details that make one thing much worse and that is what anti competition laws used to and should focus on.

Again, intent is the same, scope differs. Sony is every bit as aggressive - even more so, in fact - than Microsoft when it comes to acquisitions within this purse strings. Tired of reminding you about Sony’s bid for Leyou in 2020 before being outbid by Tencent. And in anime, Sony has used acquisitions to snap up Crunchyroll to set up a massive domination on anime streaming.
 

Gudji

Member
They will want to be independent again, and just terminate the contract (I think it's 5 Years for this one) and go shopping.

The M.O is terrible with this company and it's no wonder MS refused.

Short term gain for long term pain isn't worth it

If Sony integrates thier systems into other games it will be hell for them.
Yeah they'll just call sony and say "hey guys its time again can you let us be independent again?".

Sony: "Sure sure just pay us 4 billion dollars".
 

Menzies

Banned
Agreed, when a player far richer starts using outside funds from other near monopoly markets to starve the competition out of games buying large publishers would be a good time to take a gander. It could help if that same company had already been found guilty of abusing their monopoly in both the US and EU and is quite well know for abusing their control of industries too.


The reasons where their own, it was not Sony unfairly squeezing them out, this is revisionist history.


Again revisionist history and a bit hilarious too if you think about it as MS, especially compared for their size, was the one not growing their internal stable of studios and relying on timed and full exclusives a lot, locking competitors from their network (see reasons why FFXI never allowed cross platform gameplay and FFXIV never even arrived there… before they were Falling behind and suddenly cross platform gameplay became important).

MS itself was thinking if they wanted to bother or not with making plastic boxes until they made a plan to use their wealth to move the battle to content streaming/subscriptions and had regulators finally off their backs after years of very close oversight… what did they do after? Took their Azure/Windows/Office money and started pouring almost $100 Billion to buy permanent exclusives while singing the praises of bringing games to more people ;).


How many were those developed by their own studios they grew over time (sure compare ND now to the huge kennel it was in the post Crash Bandicoot days lol). Same thing with Insomniac which they have been growing a lot by hiring (both companies had aligned themselves to Sony from the start too).


Yes and the size and IP controlled by said studios matters too. “Next question: is hiring 50,000 people that different from buying publishers with 50,000 people working for them in one big purchase and making that publisher’s games exclusive?”…


If you are a $3 Trillion dollar company with huge margins and raise prices, cough… Apple cough…, is one thing but sure let’s compare the PS5 price increase and put it in the mix… sorry, but still feels like throwing things at the wall and false equivalences.
So I guess leading a market 2:1 and securing favorable deals from publishers to get exclusive content doesn't make the grade for regulators?

A player far richer entering the market using funds from other businesses - where have I heard that before?

Honestly, who gives a shit about this organic, holistic growth outside of Sony fans? How is the studio growth 'wildly' different than the acquisitions from Microsoft? Aren't they building up their studio's head counts as well?

You just keep making up the rules as you go along due to Microsoft being a bigger fish and out scaling them at their own game. Sorry not buying it.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Stop comparing timed\ one game exclusive to COD deal. It's stupid.

Do you think Jim Ryan would have this big of a problem if they made the next Call of Duty exclusive, but the rest were made available on PlayStation?
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
The same Insomniac studio that pitched Sunset Overdrive to Microsoft?
Same Insomniac that as at 2017 were saying they’d be happy to make Sunset Overdrive 2 with Microsoft or possibly multiplatform if any other publisher was interested?

Insomniac was a multi-platform studio for hire. Just way more often tapped up by Sony for games, and as at the beginning of the PS4/Xbox One generation, they were clearly pushing for deals where they owned the IPs.
Whoa, just doubling down on Insomniac as a multiplatform publisher… are you trying to convince me or yourself here? I guess scope and details matter and do not matter depending how you look at them ;).

“Most of their games were PlayStation so there’s no loss”

Well, most of Remedy’s output in the past 10 years were on Xbox alone. If MS had picked them up, would you have had Control on PlayStation?
We would not, no. If they had been exclusive to Xbox I think it would have been different, far different than buying Zenimax/Bethesda and Activision-Blizzard. You do know that.

Again, intent is the same, scope differs.
Scope and details with corporations is what matters (intent much less even if you really could prove that… but intent wise, sure… try to rally the public against exclusives pointing at your competitors and keep doing what you accuse others of helps understand intent too… it also helps when you are a serial convicted monopolist / market power abuser ;)).

Sony is every bit as aggressive - even more so, in fact - than Microsoft when it comes to acquisitions within this purse strings.
Sure, basically as a result MS is the poor victim in all of this, whatever keeps you thinking this is totally normal I guess 😂.

Tired of reminding you about Sony’s bid for Leyou in 2020 before being outbid by Tencent.
Again, totally comparable :rolleyes:… right…

And in anime, Sony has used acquisitions to snap up Crunchyroll to set up a massive domination on anime streaming.
More “but Sony too”. Show me how it could potentially have more effect than Sony snatching up both Gaikai and OnLive when they did and we can talk… hint: did not have that much effect.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
So I guess leading a market 2:1 and securing favorable deals from publishers to get exclusive content doesn't make the grade for regulators?
It could, I am quite sure if Sony found some external funds to buy Zenimax/Bethesda and then Activision-Blizzard with proven intent to make them exclusive to PlayStation consoles regulators would have kicked their butts (far less lobbyist too).

A player far richer entering the market using funds from other businesses - where have I heard that before?
Not sure, who could know… Sony doing some of that to SEGA, which is why the “hahaha payback bi74es would sound more intellectually honest” albeit not really quite the same. SEGA had far other problems and pissed publishers away more than Sony money blocking them, more on the “but Sony too” lookalike train of thought.

Honestly, who gives a shit about this organic, holistic growth outside of Sony fans? How is the studio growth 'wildly' different than the acquisitions from Microsoft?
I guess you do not, but you were the one talking about “SonyToo” when talking about Sony’s deals and acquisitions… 🤷‍♂️. Scope… details…

You just keep making up the rules as you go along due to Microsoft being a bigger fish and out scaling them at their own game. Sorry not buying it.
🤷‍♂️, not making up rules and I could just say “ditto”, but not sure the discussion would go anywhere like that.
 

Menzies

Banned
It could, I am quite sure if Sony found some external funds to buy Zenimax/Bethesda and then Activision-Blizzard with proven intent to make them exclusive to PlayStation consoles regulators would have kicked their butts (far less lobbyist too).


Not sure, who could know… Sony doing some of that to SEGA, which is why the “hahaha payback bi74es would sound more intellectually honest” albeit not really quite the same. SEGA had far other problems and pissed publishers away more than Sony money blocking them, more on the “but Sony too” lookalike train of thought.


I guess you do not, but you were the one talking about “SonyToo” when talking about Sony’s deals and acquisitions… 🤷‍♂️. Scope… details…


🤷‍♂️, not making up rules and I could just say “ditto”, but not sure the discussion would go anywhere like that.
I'm detecting this massive anti-capitalist and Sony is a victim complex shining through in all your posts.

What if we were talking about Sony doing everything they've done against a company with a smaller market cap? Does that make it suddenly worse?

You give them a free pass for their competitive tactics in the past, ignore the market realities with generational dominance and loyal fans, but it's a massive leap too far for '2 trillion Microsoft to be allowed to earn some market share' and....lets say it...increase competition
 

Topher

Gold Member
I saw MS's latest conference...the words "Console Exclusive" were the words that showed up the most on screen.
They all do that.

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