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PlayStation: Xbox's Call of Duty offer was "inadequate on many levels"

sainraja

Member
We'll see how it plays out. I base my opinions on the behaviors we have seen in practice, not the talk of future things.
I edited my post to clarify my point further so nothing gets lost but indeed. We shall see how it plays out.

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I base my opinions on the behaviors we have seen in practice
Well in that case, given Sony's latest acquisition of Bungie with IP on other platforms, shouldn't your first assumption be that it would be available on all platforms without being pulled?
 
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Three

Member
Would you expect Sony to offer to keep the games on Xbox if they did buy somebody like EA or Capcom? Like Microsoft is offering with call of duty? something like Street fighter or Fifa that's traditionally multi console
Why do you need hypotheticals with EA or Capcom when they literally just bought Bungie and said they would keep Destiny multiplatform. They were pretty clear about it hence why nobody is losing their shit or bringing it up. This MS is the good guys and Sony bad thing is based on nothing.
 
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DaGwaphics

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I edited my post to clarify my point further so nothing gets lost but indeed. We shall see how it plays out.

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Well in that case, given Sony's latest acquisition of Bungie with IP on other platforms, shouldn't your first assumption be that it would be available on all platforms without being pulled?

They would need to release a new game first. I haven't seen anything from them at all on that front yet. Pulling already released content is almost never done, so, the fact that Destiny still exists on all platforms isn't much of a statement. My prevailing opinion of Sony on this topic is that they have a history of using exclusivity (either full releases or perks) to the benefit of their platform, parity like MS has done with Minecraft, isn't something to be found (unless outside forces are at play like MLB). If their actions prove to make that opinion false, I'll reevaluate.
 
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dibella360

Banned
The solution to all of this is simple. Microsoft gives COD to Sony in perpetuity. In return, Sony drops the 30% cut. If Sony wants "to have the highest quality Call of Duty experience", it's time to put your money where your mouth is Jim!
 

DaGwaphics

Member
Now they know its a lie.

And how is that a known fact? Because MS offered them a guarantee of platform support that apparently was longer than the industry standard?

Awkward Kenan Thompson GIF by Saturday Night Live
 

phil_t98

#SonyToo
Why do you need hypotheticals with EA or Capcom when they literally just bought Bungie and said they would keep Destiny multiplatform. They were pretty clear about it hence why nobody is losing their shit or bringing it up. This MS is the good guys and Sony bad thing is based on nothing.

the bungie deal is completely diff to any other deal because bungie wanted to remain able to put their games on other platforms. the deal with Activision is different to that were Microsoft were offering to keep the game on other platform. Sony didn't have a choice with the bungie deal were Microsoft made this choice
 

Three

Member
the bungie deal is completely diff to any other deal because bungie wanted to remain able to put their games on other platforms. the deal with Activision is different to that were Microsoft were offering to keep the game on other platform. Sony didn't have a choice with the bungie deal were Microsoft made this choice
And psygnosis that was bought in 1993 yet Lemmings 3d launched on Sega Saturn, Destruction Derby on n64, G-Police on windows. I mean it's ok to admit Sony are doing the right thing instead of always making them seem like some kind of cuckold villian in every situation.
 

sainraja

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They would need to release a new game first. I haven't seen anything from them at all on that front yet. Pulling already released content is almost never done, so, the fact that Destiny still exists on all platforms isn't much of a statement. My prevailing opinion of Sony on this topic is that they have a history of using exclusivity (either full releases or perks) to the benefit of their platform, parity like MS has done with Minecraft, isn't something to be found (unless outside forces are at play like MLB). If their actions prove to make that opinion false, I'll reevaluate.
Purchasing Bungie is the closest move Sony has done that is comparable to Minecraft and their communication regarding it couldn't have been any clearer — ALL future and current IP will be available on all platforms, not just Sony ones. You were saying that you will base your opinions on actions they currently take and that is the action they are currently taking.

If the market changes dramatically in the future, then who knows what will happen but both Bungie and Sony have been clear on where Bungie's current and future IPs will be.

the bungie deal is completely diff to any other deal because bungie wanted to remain able to put their games on other platforms. the deal with Activision is different to that were Microsoft were offering to keep the game on other platform. Sony didn't have a choice with the bungie deal were Microsoft made this choice
Sure, but Sony couldn't have easily declined it. We can't dismiss the fact that Sony also agreed to do that. Otherwise, Sony wouldn't own Bungie. So I don't think that is much of a point. Both parties had to agree and it wasn't just Sony who wanted something from Bungie. It goes both ways, right.
 

DaGwaphics

Member
Purchasing Bungie is the closest move Sony has done that is comparable to Minecraft and their communication regarding it couldn't have been any clearer — ALL future and current IP will be available on all platforms, not just Sony ones. You were saying that you will base your opinions on actions they currently take and that is the action they are currently taking.

If the market changes dramatically in the future, then who knows what will happen but both Bungie and Sony have been clear on where Bungie's current and future IPs will be.

That's what I was referring to when I mentioned talking points about the future. I'll wait to see it in action first. I question whether or not we get true parity or we get a situation where Sony has exclusive content/modes to sell their console with at minimum. Bungie hasn't released a single project yet after the ownership change.
 

Fredrik

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And psygnosis that was bought in 1993 yet Lemmings 3d launched on Sega Saturn, Destruction Derby on n64, G-Police on windows. I mean it's ok to admit Sony are doing the right thing instead of always making them seem like some kind of cuckold villian in every situation.
Yeah about that…

”Despite being owned by Sony, Psygnosis retained a degree of independence from its parent company during this period and continued to develop and publish titles for other platforms,[30] including the Sega Saturn[31][32]and the Nintendo 64.[33] This caused friction between Psygnosis and Sony
wikipedia
 

sainraja

Member
That's what I was referring to when I mentioned talking points about the future. I'll wait to see it in action first. I question whether or not we get true parity or we get a situation where Sony has exclusive content/modes to sell their console with at minimum. Bungie hasn't released a single project yet after the ownership change.
I got that, but my point with the last post mostly was if you are going to use Minecraft as some sort of metric for Microsoft in relation to their history then Bungie can serve as the same metric for Sony, since it is the first time they have purchased someone who has an IP available across platforms, like Minecraft. Sony has already demonstrated with Destiny 2 and its future expansion coming up (Light Fall) that they will not make it exclusive. You can purchase Light Fall on Xbox right now and that is something they will be releasing in the future.

And trust me, I understand the 'gray'. You were making a definitive statement and so I was challenging it based on events that have occurred — Destiny 2 remains available and future content for it will remain available and based on what they've said, when and if they announce a completely new thing, that will also. I understand the situation can change at a moments notice. The current strategy of Sony/Bungie isn't that though.
 
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DaGwaphics

Member
I got that, but my point with the last post mostly was if you are going to use Minecraft as some sort of metric for Microsoft in relation to their history then Bungie can serve as the same metric for Sony, since it the first time they have purchased someone who has an IP available across platforms, like Minecraft. Sony has already demonstrated with Destiny 2 and its future expansion coming up (Light Fall) that they will not make it exclusive. You can purchase Light Fall on Xbox right now and that is something they will be releasing in the future.

And trust me, I understand the 'gray'. You were making a definitive statement and so I was challenging it based on events that have occurred — Destiny 2 remains available and future content for it will remain available and based on what they've said, when and if they announce a completely new thing, that will also. I understand the situation can change at a moments notice. The current strategy of Sony/Bungie isn't that though.

Fair enough.

Minecraft has had a standalone game released since the ownership change and I don't remember MS leveraging that for Xbox in any way, if Destiny 3 releases with down the line parity, I'll give credit where credit is due.
 
Wait, there are still people in here claiming that Phil is lying? Some of you really are "dumb as fuq" lmao.
Phil chooses his words quite carefully. You could see that on his tweet on how he had a great conversation with Sony and every statement he does on this.
He is a great speaker as in...like a politician. In the end most of his statements could basically mean anything and you could interpret them as you wanted. But yeah, he never lied.
 

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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah about that…

”Despite being owned by Sony, Psygnosis retained a degree of independence from its parent company during this period and continued to develop and publish titles for other platforms,[30] including the Sega Saturn[31][32]and the Nintendo 64.[33] This caused friction between Psygnosis and Sony
wikipedia


ohhhhhhhhhh snap

I did not see this twist coming.
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Phil chooses his words quite carefully. You could see that on his tweet on how he had a great conversation with Sony and every statement he does on this.
He is a great speaker as in...like a politician. In the end most of his statements could basically mean anything and you could interpret them as you wanted. But yeah, he never lied.
He's a gaming politician.
 

sainraja

Member
Fair enough.

Minecraft has had a standalone game released since the ownership change and I don't remember MS leveraging that for Xbox in any way, if Destiny 3 releases with down the line parity, I'll give credit where credit is due.
Given Bungie's plan with Destiny (what they actually wanted to do with D1), we most likely won't see a Destiny 3. They are basically going to keep updating the current version to be whatever D3 would have been.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Given Bungie's plan with Destiny (what they actually wanted to do with D1), we most likely won't see a Destiny 3. They are basically going to keep updating the current version to be whatever D3 would have been.
I think Destiny 2 is slated to end in 2024 expansion wise iirc but someone correct me if I am wrong and thinking of something else
 

sainraja

Member
I think Destiny 2 is slated to end in 2024 expansion wise iirc but someone correct me if I am wrong and thinking of something else
If that is the case, I have no idea. Anything I have seen or heard about has been that it will just continue in some shape or form as long as the game is still popular with the community. The current story arc might end in 2024 but I am not expecting D2 to be done done.

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But yeah, I do expect that at some point they will have to release a completely new version (technology is technology). How long can they keep updating what they currently have? That is probably what it comes down to.
 
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skit_data

Member
Yeah about that…

”Despite being owned by Sony, Psygnosis retained a degree of independence from its parent company during this period and continued to develop and publish titles for other platforms,[30] including the Sega Saturn[31][32]and the Nintendo 64.[33] This caused friction between Psygnosis and Sony
wikipedia
Might be worth adding the later paragraphs too though for added context:

”This caused friction between Psygnosis and Sony, and in 1996 Sony engaged SBC Warburg's services in finding a buyer for Psygnosis.[34][35]However, though bids reportedly went as high as $300 million (more than ten times what Sony paid for the company just three years before),[36] after six months Sony rescinded its decision to sell Psygnosis. Relations between the two companies had improved during this time, and Sony became reconciled to Psygnosis releasing games for competing platforms.[37]Shortly after, Psygnosis took over distribution of its own titles, a task that Sony had been handling following the buyout.[38]

Interesting stuff, I had no idea of all this drama!
 

GametimeUK

Member
Because Call of Duty has always been on Playstation it doesn't justify Microsoft making it Xbox exclusive...

does that also mean because Elder Scrolls hasn't always been on Playstation and arrived on Xbox first it justifies Microsoft making it Xbox exclusive?
 

sainraja

Member
Because Call of Duty has always been on Playstation it doesn't justify Microsoft making it Xbox exclusive...

does that also mean because Elder Scrolls hasn't always been on Playstation and arrived on Xbox first it justifies Microsoft making it Xbox exclusive?
They don't really need to justify any action they take once they own Activision. I think MS will (most likely) keep COD available, they just don't want to sign anything saying they have to do it. They will keep the option of doing so [making exclusive] open and it might also depend on how the market is [if] when they decide to do it.
 
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GametimeUK

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They don't really need to justify any action they take once they own Activision. I think MS will most likely will keep COD available, they just don't want to sign anything saying they have to do that. They most likely want the option to do that, depending on how the market is when they decide to do it.
I'm just looking for logical consistency from people who are saying these things. And saying FF7 Remake exclusivity is fine because FF hasn't always been on Xbox etc.
 
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Phil chooses his words quite carefully. You could see that on his tweet on how he had a great conversation with Sony and every statement he does on this.
He is a great speaker as in...like a politician. In the end most of his statements could basically mean anything and you could interpret them as you wanted. But yeah, he never lied.

He didn't lie, but you have to admit that when you compare what you are gonna do with COD with how you handle Minecraft (in so many words), and in other times talk about having a "Great" conversation with Sony,
you are intentionally trying to mislead.

Jim just called him out on his crap.
 
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sainraja

Member
I'm just looking for logical consistency from people who are saying these things. And saying FF7 Remake exclusivity is fine because FF hasn't always been on Xbox etc.
Ah gotcha....I think people who are saying that are just trying to establish a base line for why a deal between two parties were signed (Sony or MS). The situation with Activision and Bungie is a little different given their IPs have been available on so many different platforms and they were acquired vs a exclusivity deal like that of FF7 or Tomb Raider games with Xbox One.
 
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Ozriel

M$FT
He didn't lie, but you have to admit that when you compare what you are gonna do with COD with how you handle Minecraft (in so many words), and in other times talk about having a "Great" conversation with Sony,
you are intentionally trying to mislead.

Jim just called him out on his crap.

You realize there’s no written, legally binding agreement between Sony and Microsoft on the future of Minecraft?

Despite that, Xbox has kept it multiplatform. There’s no indication that Microsoft intends to make the Call of Duty franchise a console exclusive for next gen. Not sure what you can point to to claim Phil’s being misleading.
 
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There’s no indication that Microsoft intends to make the Call of Duty franchise a console exclusive for next gen. Not sure what you can point to to claim Phil’s being misleading.

Isn't that pretty much what Jim is saying in the OP of this thread? The agreement (2024?) + 3 years?
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Isn't that pretty much what Jim is saying in the OP of this thread? The agreement (2024?) + 3 years?
Of course Phil was smart with that offer. It makes sense for that deal to expire by the time the next consoles come, so it will be a launch exclusive to the Xbox brand, in turn leaving those PS gamers assed out while hoping to leach off that addiction moving into a new gen. Smart business, indeed. ;)

Think About It GIF by Identity
 
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phil_t98

#SonyToo
And psygnosis that was bought in 1993 yet Lemmings 3d launched on Sega Saturn, Destruction Derby on n64, G-Police on windows. I mean it's ok to admit Sony are doing the right thing instead of always making them seem like some kind of cuckold villian in every situation.

that’s what you come back with? That’s because you know if sony made those kinda deals they would go exclusive and Sony fans like yourself would be applauding it
 

Kenpachii

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Phil could demand gamepass on playstation and give cod as option through that. They could also delay it and remove features etc away from playstation until they completely remove it.
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
that’s what you come back with? That’s because you know if sony made those kinda deals they would go exclusive and Sony fans like yourself would be applauding it
These reductive arguments are so petty, because it legit applies to both sides of this lame war, equally. You know it, I know it, everyone who posts across the internets knows it.
 

DaGwaphics

Member
Isn't that pretty much what Jim is saying in the OP of this thread? The agreement (2024?) + 3 years?

Games don't have to have a long standing pledge of support in order to appear on a platform. Sony didn't have this type of agreement with Activision to start with, if they did the issue wouldn't come up in regards to the ownership change.
 
Games don't have to have a long standing pledge of support in order to appear on a platform. Sony didn't have this type of agreement with Activision to start with, if they did the issue wouldn't come up in regards to the ownership change.

This is understood. What I am saying is not even really about that. MS does not own Activision yet. The whole point is that MS wants to look good to regulators to get this deal done. Sony would hope that it fails. Simple as that.
Jim is simply countering Phil's good guy statements with clear cut facts about their agreement.
 

ReBurn

Gold Member
Some of you are dumb as fuq.

Phil is trying to convince every regulatory body that cod isn't going to be made exclusive with pr double speak. Now they know its a lie.
We all know that regulators are stupid and are always fooled by PR. They've never heard anything like it! Microsoft can't keep getting away with this!
 

01011001

Banned
I'm looking forward to the salt when Xbox makes the multiplayer exclusive to Xbox.

I mean, what they could do is officially say that mainline Call of Duty games will not have multiplayer anymore from now on.

then make a new series simply called Modern Warfare which will now be their new multiplayer military shooter series that is Multiplayer only 🤣

Call of Duty will continue to be released on PlayStation,
but they never said their new series called Modern Warfare will release on PlayStation


troll dancing GIF


It's not Call of Duty after all, its Modern Warfare...
 
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phil_t98

#SonyToo
These reductive arguments are so petty, because it legit applies to both sides of this lame war, equally. You know it, I know it, everyone who posts across the internets knows it.

but you know its true. go back to the thread at the beginning of this gen were Sony fans were massively applauding them for offering money to all the publishers for exclusives or timed exclusives. Sony played dirty so Microsoft did the same
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
but you know its true. go back to the thread at the beginning of this gen were Sony fans were massively applauding them for offering money to all the publishers for exclusives or timed exclusives. Sony played dirty so Microsoft did the same
I do know it’s true. It’s exhausting really. Seeing the hypocritical cheerleading over brands and products that most buy and are not given for free. I can at least understand it if that shit was free, like a few, but paying to be a wish.com marketeer, lame all around.

Now I’m not talking your typical run of the mill defense, hype, criticisms, etc, but to the points of extreme where a select bunch live to gaslight each other, if you know exactly what I mean.

Microsoft is no more innocent than Sony, Nintendo, or anyone else in this arena. I mean shit, you had goofy thots cheerleading Meta knowing they are only saying that to pave the way for their own “consolidations” as they have done so in the social media paradigm for years.

Careful what you wish/cheer for.
 
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