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Next Gen Consoles Will Be Absolutely Insane.

With the recent announcement of the 4090 RTX cards I am absolutely blown away at how fast and how big the leaps are in technology when it comes to GPUs and just tech in general. I know there are 2 threads on the 4090 already but I wanted to make one that specifically covers next gen systems and by next gen I am talking about the PS6 and the Next Xbox.

IMPORTANT THINGS TO NOTE - I know tFlops is not really a a perfect metric to explain how powerful a leap is in the GPU power but it's the only metric that's easiest to digest and give you a some sort of a ballpark. There are many other factors that should also be taken into account when you are talking about overall GPU performance increase.

Also, there are other factors to also consider how powerful next-gen hardware systems and not just the GPU. CPU and RAM/Memory/SSD will be another major factor, but this is strictly a GPU thread so we are only talking about GPU increases here.


First and foremost - let's lay everything out on the table here too see what we are looking at for the last 2 generations of consoles.

The PS4 and Xbox One launched in 2013

The PS4 was sitting at measly 1.84 tFlops
Xbox One was sitting at even lower 1.31 tFlops

The PS4 Pro later launched in 2016 and was sitting at 4.2 tFlops
The Xbox One X launched a year later in 2017 with 6.2 tFlops

The PS5 and Xbox Series X launched in 2020.

The PS5 is sitting at 10.28 tFlops (10.3 if we round up, so let's just stick with 10.3)
The Xbox Series X is at 12.3 tFlops (2 tFlops higher than the PS5) and is a bit higher in tFlops measurement than the 2080 RTX Super which is sitting at 11.1 tFlops. A 2080 Ti however, is 13.5 tFlops which makes it superior to both the PS5 and the Xbox Series X when talking about the GPU specifically.

Now let's look at the 3000 series and the 4000s series since we have the official numbers now.

3090 Ti is sitting at 40 tFlops which is 4x more than the PS5 and Xbox Series X and was launched earlier this year in March 2022.

3090 is sitting at 36 tFlops which is almost a 4x increase than the PS5 and Xbox Series X and was launched on September 17th 2020, 2 months before the launch of the PS5 and Xbox Series X. The consoles we already locked in to basically utilize the power of GPUs that were equivalent to the 2000 series so 1 generation behind.

3080 is sitting at 34.1 tFlops which again is a massive increase compared to the PS5 and Xbox Series X.

Another difference with these GPUs is the amount of ram and type of ram, but let's be honest RAM was never a problem anymore for console systems. The last time we had major ram/memory issues was the PS3 and 360 era and we are well past that and I highly doubt we will ever that problem again.

The PS4 and Xbox One biggest issue was the CPU, it was super outdated crappy Jaguar x86.

With how weak and pathetic PS4 and Xbox One is looking these days the wizards over at the Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica still have the best looking games to date. The Last of Us Part II and God of War Ragnarok are very good examples of that.

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We have seen absolutely nothing yet what the PS5 and Series X could truly do until we get those true current-gen goodies.

Anyways - back to the GPUs

We now have the specs for the 4090 and its releasing next month on October 12th with the following specs:

4090 has 84.3 tFlops that is more than double the increase of the 3090 Ti which was 40.3 tFlops.

Fast forward to 2024 we will be getting the 5000 series which will once again make the 4090 probably look like a little baby and the trend seems to always double the performance of the previous generation of the GPUs. According to Nvidia the 4090 is 2-4 times more powerful than the 3090 Ti depending on the application/game/software.

I am suspecting the 5000 series to finally break the 100 tFlops barrier, I mean that's guaranteed at this point. Don't forget there will also be a 4090 Ti and honestly that will probably very close to 100 tFlops already.

IMPORTANT THINGS TO NOTE - In 2026 it will be the 6000 series. When are the new consoles coming? I have no clue, but I am probably expecting them around 2026-2028 with 2028 at the latest and 2026 at the earliest. If the new consoles come out in 2026 then they will most likely be utilizing and be equal to the power of the 5000 series in terms of GPUs specifically, if they release in 2028 then the 6000 series. But then again, there might be some sort of a crazy curveball, I am just going of the last 10 years of how everything went. The PS6 has already entered R&D/Concepting in 2021. The PS5 started development in 2015 which is 1.5 years or so after the launch of the PS4.

What are you all expecting for the power of the GPUs out of next-gen systems?
 
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rofif

Banned
I think we are reaching diminishing returns looking at tlou2 on ps4...
Sure, technically we can go way way further but the difference in reality will be limited.
WE still have not seen anything better looking than tlou2 on ps5. Even tlou1 looks at best, the same but sharper.
 

Portugeezer

Member
This gen hasn't really got going... I don't think next gen consoles will release anywhere near 2026.

Anyway, I think PS4 exclusives showed that talent is more important when it comes to visuals; all the Tflops aren't so relevant if the games don't have the budget/talent to use them meaningfully.
 
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HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Meh ... even a 100TFLOPS PS6 will have cross-get games all the way back back to PS4. Its about the size of the user base now, can't let them off the hook.
Even these cross gen games like the COD MW2 beta for example as long as I can get a rock solid 120 fps at decent graphic settings where as last gen is stuck at 60 fps I am all in
 
I used to be a graphics freak but I'm at the point where I prefer artistic direction, or interesting games. Some of my favourite games recently have been basic 2d pixel games like stardew valley, or cell shaded like breath of the wild.

All these TFs mean nothing to me. I've not really cared about graphics since last gen.
 

Bankai

Member
It mostly depends on what AMD develops and releases the coming years.. No way there will be NVIDIA hardware inside nextgen consoles, but hey - competition drives innovation.

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I really hope AMD's FSR 3 and beyond will deliver the goods. But you're right, next-gen consoles will be freakin' insane :messenger_fire:
 

Hari Seldon

Member
All that power and nothing to take advantage of it because of the cross gen/Series S obsession.

"gaming for everyone" at the expense of progress.
Yeah it seems we are past the point where software can keep up with the rate of hardware improvements.
 
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Hot Take: but we are likely to see a mid-gen refresh in another 3 years and then true "next gen" hardware, whenever that comes out, I fully expect that to be cloud based
I think we are reaching diminishing returns looking at tlou2 on ps4...
Sure, technically we can go way way further but the difference in reality will be limited.
WE still have not seen anything better looking than tlou2 on ps5. Even tlou1 looks at best, the same but sharper.
It's not for lack of hardware capability. We are in this weird space right now where it seems like we are still creating games the old way, if that makes sense. I suspect once we stop taking into account last gen hardware, like all previous generations, we will have those WOW moments. TLOU2 for all it's glory is still a last gen game.

What would TLOU2 have looked like if the PS4 was never a constraining factor in development?
 
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REDRZA MWS

Member
I’m rocking a 2080ti and an i9900k both over clocked and I’m waiting til the 4xxx series to upgrade. My consoles are serving me just fine and are only scratching their respective surfaces.
 
I think we are reaching diminishing returns looking at tlou2 on ps4...
Sure, technically we can go way way further but the difference in reality will be limited.
WE still have not seen anything better looking than tlou2 on ps5. Even tlou1 looks at best, the same but sharper.
Yeah, this has obviously been the case for some time now. Talent, man hours, budget have been the main limiting factors.

But no one will listen, and they'll keep demanding their 100 tf next-next-gen games that take 15 years to develop and cost $100.
 

Skifi28

Member
I find myself less and less interested in the increase of power consumption....I mean visual fidelity. Yeah 100+ Tflops sounds nice, but what do you actually get out of it and at what cost? Overpriced heaters that will never be utilised properly other than trying to brute-force bad ports and then get obsolete when DLSS4 gets announced next year.

By the time the "next-gen" consoles are out there'll be 200TF GPUs and you'll be thinking of the next-next-gen stuff. What's even the point? Enjoy what's here.
 
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Banjo64

cumsessed
I tend to agree because I think 4k is the sweet spot for the foreseeable. This gen has been wasted chasing 4k resolutions instead of 1080p. That’s where most of the additional grunt is going. Next gen a 40tf console would literally mean 4x the power for game worlds.
 

N1tr0sOx1d3

Given another chance
I used to be a graphics freak but I'm at the point where I prefer artistic direction, or interesting games. Some of my favourite games recently have been basic 2d pixel games like stardew valley, or cell shaded like breath of the wild.

All these TFs mean nothing to me. I've not really cared about graphics since last gen.
I agree with this to a certain extent. What we should have seen is a huge leap in fluid & physics simulation which of course benefits from GPU advances, but we haven’t seen progress in these areas either. Wasted opportunities.
 
These new GPUs are very power hungry though, to the point it's becoming ridiculous.
Evolution should be measured at TF/W.
Maybe Apple will create an awesome low power gaming gpu. If you see what they can do with the m2 chip or m1 ultra it’s crazy how much power they can put in such a low power chip. Imagine how much power the m5 could have when new consoles are announced.

Apple will never work together with Sony and ms on this of course but a man can dream 😢.
 

Wooxsvan

Member
I mean yes but especially in Nvidia's case they are also increasing the power limit and physical chip size. Its not a 1-1 comparison. We need console manufactures to raise the ~300watt limit if we want to see a sizable jump in a few years. Physics man.
 

Happosai

Hold onto your panties
With the recent announcement of the 4090 RTX cards I am absolutely blown away at how fast and how big the leaps are in technology when it comes to GPUs and just tech in general. I know there are 2 threads on the 4090 already but I wanted to make one that specifically covers next gen systems and by next gen I am talking about the PS6 and the Next Xbox.

IMPORTANT THINGS TO NOTE - I know tFlops is not really a a perfect metric to explain how powerful a leap is in the GPU power but it's the only metric that's easiest to digest and give you a some sort of a ballpark. There are many other factors that should also be taken into account when you are talking about overall GPU performance increase.

Also, there are other factors to also consider how powerful next-gen hardware systems and not just the GPU. CPU and RAM/Memory/SSD will be another major factor, but this is strictly a GPU thread so we are only talking about GPU increases here.


First and foremost - let's lay everything out on the table here too see what we are looking at for the last 2 generations of consoles.

The PS4 and Xbox One launched in 2013

The PS4 was sitting at measly 1.84 tFlops
Xbox One was sitting at even lower 1.31 tFlops

The PS4 Pro later launched in 2016 and was sitting at 4.2 tFlops
The Xbox One X launched a year later in 2017 with 6.2 tFlops

The PS5 and Xbox Series X launched in 2020.

The PS5 is sitting at 10.28 tFlops (10.3 if we round up, so let's just stick with 10.3)
The Xbox Series X is at 12.3 tFlops (2 tFlops higher than the PS5) and is a bit higher in tFlops measurement than the 2080 RTX Super which is sitting at 11.1 tFlops. A 2080 Ti however, is 13.5 tFlops which makes it superior to both the PS5 and the Xbox Series X when talking about the GPU specifically.

Now let's look at the 3000 series and the 4000s series since we have the official numbers now.

3090 Ti is sitting at 40 tFlops which is 4x more than the PS5 and Xbox Series X and was launched earlier this year in March 2022.

3090 is sitting at 36 tFlops which is almost a 4x increase than the PS5 and Xbox Series X and was launched on September 17th 2020, 2 months before the launch of the PS5 and Xbox Series X. The consoles we already locked in to basically utilize the power of GPUs that were equivalent to the 2000 series so 1 generation behind.

3080 is sitting at 34.1 tFlops which again is a massive increase compared to the PS5 and Xbox Series X.

Another difference with these GPUs is the amount of ram and type of ram, but let's be honest RAM was never a problem anymore for console systems. The last time we had major ram/memory issues was the PS3 and 360 era and we are well past that and I highly doubt we will ever that problem again.

The PS4 and Xbox One biggest issue was the CPU, it was super outdated crappy Jaguar x86.

With how weak and pathetic PS4 and Xbox One is looking these days the wizards over at the Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica still have the best looking games to date. The Last of Us Part II and God of War Ragnarok are very good examples of that.

BWh1xcA.jpg

UUybFaW.png


We have seen absolutely nothing yet what the PS5 and Series X could truly do until we get those true current-gen goodies.

Anyways - back to the GPUs

We now have the specs for the 4090 and its releasing next month on October 12th with the following specs:

4090 has 84.3 tFlops that is more than double the increase of the 3090 Ti which was 40.3 tFlops.

Fast forward to 2024 we will be getting the 5000 series which will once again make the 4090 probably look like a little baby and the trend seems to always double the performance of the previous generation of the GPUs. According to Nvidia the 4090 is 2-4 times more powerful than the 3090 Ti depending on the application/game/software.

I am suspecting the 5000 series to finally break the 100 tFlops barrier, I mean that's guaranteed at this point. Don't forget there will also be a 4090 Ti and honestly that will probably very close to 100 tFlops already.

IMPORTANT THINGS TO NOTE - In 2026 it will be the 6000 series. When are the new consoles coming? I have no clue, but I am probably expecting them around 2026-2028 with 2028 at the latest and 2026 at the earliest. If the new consoles come out in 2026 then they will most likely be utilizing and be equal to the power of the 5000 series in terms of GPUs specifically, if they release in 2028 then the 6000 series. But then again, there might be some sort of a crazy curveball, I am just going of the last 10 years of how everything went. The PS6 has already entered R&D/Concepting in 2021. The PS5 started development in 2015 which is 1.5 years or so after the launch of the PS4.

What are you all expecting for the power of the GPUs out of next-gen systems?
As time passes, heavy hardware will become more afforable to produce which will help push graphical barriers for consoles that were only limited due to scarcity of afforable materials. We likely won't have micro chip shortages in the next gen either meaning launch prices may not be inflated for the same reasons current gen was.

I'd like to see it get to point of better portability on all platforms.
 

RCU005

Member
What is the point of having a super powerful machine just so it’s stuck with cross gen games for more than two years?

At this point, I would believe that next gen consoles will be like iPhones where every game works no matter what iPhone you have, negating every unique capability a new console could have.
 

Cyberpunkd

Gold Member
What are you all expecting for the power of the GPUs out of next-gen systems?
To be bottle-necked by cross-gen games even longer than Xbox Series and PS5 are. Also let's see how the world will look like - difficult to talk about PS6 when PS5 is still not readily available in store 2 YEARS after it came out.
 
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