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Nvidia says falling GPU prices are ‘a story of the past’

GreatnessRD

Member
Its hard for me to be mad at Jacket Man because he knows people are gonna people. Despite being upset with these absurd prices, he knows folks are gonna buy it. Even still, Techmas is heating up. Ryzen 7000 releases next week. 4090 on the 12th. Intel sometime in October and then RDNA 3. Fall/Winter gonna be blazing with the new heat.
 

AJUMP23

Gold Member
Same Energy.

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This is possibly a mega fail for NVIDIA. I'm sure they will sell all of they new cards at an even higher price range, we've seen people buy it at any price.


I wonder if by locking themselves at this price that AMD might get a change to sell much more of a slower product, but that is 'good enough' for most people.

Because let's face it, inflation is high, recessions is here, energy prices are going up.

I personally will not upgrade any time soon. None of these prices makes any sense to me or the reality where I live.

Got a huge backlog of older pc games and a Switch to keep me busy, no need to get any of this.


Also DLSS3 might even be the best thing ever, but while it still needs machine learning models to be created in super computers and it's not open source, there will be not much adoption I believe.
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I just dont understand why should we spend so much money on so powerful gpu when you cant use its full potental ( graphic for today games are all designed to be in range ps and xbox power )
Can someone explain this?
Ease. On PC there is no frame rate limit and resolutions can go up to 8k or even more. Plus you can mod games with reshade, etc that can make any of those cards fart. Plus CP2077 and future games with heavy RT effects...
 

Reallink

Member
Tech companies like TSMC, nvidia, Intel, AMD, etc, enjoyed a huge boom in profits, thanks to covid restrictions and mining.
They increased prices on everything, because everything sold at any price.
Now they refuse to go back to a normal market, with normal profits. They demand that the consumer must pay for their greed.
They can only win if we buy into their schemes. Either consumers stand their ground against this exploitation, or it will become the new norm.

Gamers will reject it about as well as they rejected $70 games, lootboxes, full price digital downloads, preorder bonuses, and everything else they complain about out of one side of their mouth while buying it with the other. The critical mass is a spineless, convictionless sheep.
 
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winjer

Gold Member
Gamers will reject it about as well as they rejected $70 games, lootboxes, full price digital downloads, preorder bonuses, and everything else they complain about out of one side of their mouth while buying it with the other. The critical mass is a spineless, convictionless sheep.

That is my fear.
 

THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
Anyone expecting anything substantial from Intel's GPU's is just setting themselves up for disappointment.

Probably true but I did like the idea that had initially of running potentially a whole bunch of them together in tandem.
 

Shut0wen

Member
Guys a total idiot, it wont drop as hard as they used to on a regular basis but in 3 years time 3040 is going to ve almost half the price
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I mean, when you release a new set of cards, especially scummy ones renamed in the xx70/80, at almost double the price... of course the prior gen cards will not come down.

🤡
 

Reallink

Member
We say this every couple years. But if AMD's chiplet strategy lowers costs in the manner that they advertised it should, maybe they have a chance to become a bigger part of the picture. If they can get RT performance at least as capable as the 2000 series from Nvidia.

As I posted in one of the other threads, the raw chip price is only like 15% of the cost, effectively inconsequential given the end product pricing we're talking about here. A 600mm 4090 chip likely only costs Nvidia somewhere between $250 and $300 each. This means if AMD and Nvidia for some reason both sold their final product at cost, AMD could only undercut them by $130 or so with a much smaller chiplet design. An amount that is effectively meaningless to someone looking for a $1600+ GPU to put in their $3000+ system. It'd be nowhere close to $130 in actuality though, cause Nvidia's >90% larger economy of scale would easily offset AMD's pitiful volume pricing for every component. In otherwords regardless of what AMD does, Nvidia within the hour can come close enough to their price for it not to matter. The 4080's are much smaller and any kind of die size advantage is proportionally diluted
 
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Chastten

Banned
People have proven over the past few years that they're willing to spend thousands of dollars for a few frames more so can't blame 'em. Milk the suckers for all they're worth.

Meanwhile my RX5500XT is still giving me 60 FPS at 1440p in all the games I play, so I'm good for a while. Might snag an RX6650 if they get under €250 at some point though.
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Nvidia forces me to get a console instead of a new GPU.

Oh well series x and GP is also a unbeatable deal. But I still need money lol.

Exactly.

Seriously though, if this kind of price gouging is going to be the norm it looks like I'll be heading back to console gaming.

Ewww.

Do console games have m&kb compatibility options?
Some games do. The list grows larger, and CoD and fortnite does.

I wish there were more, but I use a Xim adapter
 

Lasha

Member
Tech companies like TSMC, nvidia, Intel, AMD, etc, enjoyed a huge boom in profits, thanks to covid restrictions and mining.
They increased prices on everything, because everything sold at any price.
Now they refuse to go back to a normal market, with normal profits. They demand that the consumer must pay for their greed.
They can only win if we buy into their schemes. Either consumers stand their ground against this exploitation, or it will become the new norm.

TWSC manufactures chips. AMD, NVIDIA, and many other companies design chips which are then manufactured by TWSC. Note how TWSC is the bottleneck. That's why prices are up. Building fabs is expensive with a long lead time and requires a legion of skilled labor. The market decided to put chips in everything from cars to toasters but there supply is still heavily constrained by the few players who possess the capabilities to make advanced semiconductors.

The quote is being taken out of context. Moore's law meant that more chips could be made from a single wafer since the designs became denser. If the density of a chip hits a limit then you can no longer reduce cost through scale. TWSC doesn't care what it makes so long as it's fabs are working to full capacity. It's going to charge whatever the market will bear because it has massive costs to recoup. For consumers, this means that manufacturing becomes a static rather than decreasing percentage of cost. Higher prices are the result.
 

Trogdor1123

Gold Member
TWSC manufactures chips. AMD, NVIDIA, and many other companies design chips which are then manufactured by TWSC. Note how TWSC is the bottleneck. That's why prices are up. Building fabs is expensive with a long lead time and requires a legion of skilled labor. The market decided to put chips in everything from cars to toasters but there supply is still heavily constrained by the few players who possess the capabilities to make advanced semiconductors.

The quote is being taken out of context. Moore's law meant that more chips could be made from a single wafer since the designs became denser. If the density of a chip hits a limit then you can no longer reduce cost through scale. TWSC doesn't care what it makes so long as it's fabs are working to full capacity. It's going to charge whatever the market will bear because it has massive costs to recoup. For consumers, this means that manufacturing becomes a static rather than decreasing percentage of cost. Higher prices are the result.
Uhh… twsc?
 
GPU crypto mining and insane demand/scalping/shortages are also a thing of the past. Good luck, Nvidia.
It would be wild if it picked up again... and by wild I mean fucking suck.

But imagine if it did and Nvidia just went full send on it. During their 50 series announcement they just highlight how much coin you could mine an hour :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

HTK

Banned
Question is will AMD capitalize on this moment or squander it away, I think that’s more interesting.
 

lmimmfn

Member
Ohh shots fired Jensen, you don't respect your PC gaming consumers? Then let's see how you fair with your new cards.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I just dont understand why should we spend so much money on so powerful gpu when you cant use its full potental ( graphic for today games are all designed to be in range ps and xbox power )
Can someone explain this?
I mean the same reason that people have always bought more powerful hardware - better resolution, better framerates, better graphical effects, better fidelity, future proofing. Plus something like Flight Sim can already take advantage of almost any power you can throw at it especially for VR - and no doubt 8K, 120Hz VR headsets are coming before the end of this gen.
Also - you don't have to buy them.
 

Crayon

Member
I just dont understand why should we spend so much money on so powerful gpu when you cant use its full potental ( graphic for today games are all designed to be in range ps and xbox power )
Can someone explain this?

For games? All you can really do is crank the resolution and frame rates. Multi monitor and VR like others have said. otherwise, this would be for people who use cards like this for work then have to spend time waiting for them to finish tasks. And then for people who just want to have the best thing at any cost even if they have no particular use for it.
 

Griffon

Member
The fact the GTX 1060 is still today's most used GPU (as per Steam stats) tells us that nvidia is full of shit.

The bulk of 2xxx and 3xxx were sold first to miners, and second to a few gamers with more money than senses. But the actual budget for your average pc gamer config isn't and hasn't been budging at all. They just bought lower-tier cards (or kept their old 1xxx) since they can't afford mid and high tier anymore.

Why does it matter? It matters because devs know that. And no developer is gonna make games that use extremely niche hardware if they hope to sell enough copies to survive.
Whatever GPU is on sale at sub-300$ is what new games will target. No matter how "outdated" it appears to be. Simple as that.
 
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winjer

Gold Member
TWSC manufactures chips. AMD, NVIDIA, and many other companies design chips which are then manufactured by TWSC. Note how TWSC is the bottleneck. That's why prices are up. Building fabs is expensive with a long lead time and requires a legion of skilled labor. The market decided to put chips in everything from cars to toasters but there supply is still heavily constrained by the few players who possess the capabilities to make advanced semiconductors.

The quote is being taken out of context. Moore's law meant that more chips could be made from a single wafer since the designs became denser. If the density of a chip hits a limit then you can no longer reduce cost through scale. TWSC doesn't care what it makes so long as it's fabs are working to full capacity. It's going to charge whatever the market will bear because it has massive costs to recoup. For consumers, this means that manufacturing becomes a static rather than decreasing percentage of cost. Higher prices are the result.

TSMC is not the only one with leading edge process nodes. Samsung is right on it's heels.
Just this year, both announced the start of production on their 3nm nodes, almost at the same time.
And considering that Liang Mong Song is now at SMIC, that might be another company catching up.

TSMC, drastically increased prices on all nodes. Even older ones, whose development and build cost, was already paid for, many times over.
So it was clearly an action decided by greed, not by technical matters.
Also consider that the N4 node, is just an improvement on the N5 node. Not a full new process node.
The N5 node is already 2 years old. With millions of chips already sold to consumers.
And with N3 starting in H2 2022, it is no longer the leading node.

Toasters and cars don't use leading edge chips. In fact, most of these chips are using rather old process nodes. Lots of them are not even using Finfets.
So that excuse doesn't stick.

Remember when the industry made a switch from 200mm waffers, to 300mm waffers?
That was the biggest investment the industry made as a whole, at any time.
Still prices did not increase at the time, as they are increasing now.

The reason is that for 2 years, chip demand was very high, because mining and working at home.
TSMC decided to increase prices on all nodes, because of a simple matter of the law of supply and demand.
But demand has decreased drastically, so prices have to come down back to normal.

The other thing to consider is that nvidia is not increasing prices by a small percentage. It's almost doubling the price.
A good example is the RTX 4070, that nvidia calls the 4080 12GB, to try to justify the price gouging.
The 3070 had an msrp of 500$. The faux 4070 has an MSRP of 900$.
 

BennyBlanco

aka IMurRIVAL69
Depends on what your setup is.

All niche but there are relevant use cases.

plus video encoding

i think i will stick with my 3080 though. 4k gaming has been A-OK on my end, and there simply aren't many new games pushing hardware. one of my most played games that came out this year was fuckin vampire survivors.
 

kiphalfton

Member
Wonder what all those who were defending LHR cards have to say now? There's no denying how money grubbing Jensen is. He's a true POS.

But can't be too surprised, since all those morons who paid 2x MSRP were snatching up scalped cards essentially screwed everybody else.
 
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Gp1

Member
i feel like the last really good deal i got from Nvidia was the 970

The 10th generation had a fair share of good deals too.
The 1080 was a monster beating the last generation Titan. And the 1060 was one of their best deals in price-performance in a very long time.
 
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