Arbitrary charging for each purchase? what are you talking about?
But they said they liked the games, just not the way they run, I don't see what's so hard to understand in that. It's the same as when people wait for a PC port of a game, or when they wait for a remaster on a new console because they'd rather play with a better framerate / resolution.
Not if it's hurting the people you bought the games from.
It's not the same as a PC port. Nintendo makes Nintendo games for their own systems, that in turn increases engagement and the likelihood of Nintendo purchases and services. It's an ecosystem, Nintendo makes products to build that system. Just like the Steamdeck is a portal to the Steam store, if people reformat the thing and only use it for Game Pass, it would have no value for Valve.
Cold fusion.
What?
If I have a Switch and buy the games, where's the harm?
Engagement. It's like the apple store, the more you download and look around in the store, the more likely you gonna buy, the more likely you gonna buy subscriptions, and the more engagement you get from it.
That's all hypothetical potential. You can't tell others what they will and won't buy, so that has no place in the conversation.
You say thay like it's a fact, but it's not.
Combined with the rest of your argument, what you seem to be saying is that you'd rather someone not give Nintendo any money at all than buy the console and game(s) and use it as they see fit. How does that fit with the ultimate aim of getting Nintendo as much money as possible?
This sums it up pretty well.
It was probably the employees. They are probably using it for emulators more than anything.
Ftfy
Oh shit, now they're hacking Xbox, too.
Oh cool, thanks! I thought it was a custom theme or something.Oh shit, now they're hacking Xbox, too.
That's what it looks like when you have an Xbox controller connected.
Yes, it will, from joy-cons to online subscriptions. Whatever.
Not knowing what game to get, and end up getting a game because you browse the eShop and discover something there that looks cool to you, therefore spending money because of engagement, right?
The niche of people that buy a Switch and games to rip them is almost certainly going to be a discerning bunch that doesn't buy random games because a eShop storefront put it in their face. If they want games, there's a good chance those games will be multi-platform. Guess where the person who wants to play his Switch games on a PC/Steamdeck is going to buy his multiplats.
TintoConCasera
you beat me to the same argument
Most people that emulate are pirates.Not knowing what game to get, and end up getting a game because you browse the eShop and discover something there that looks cool to you, therefore spending money because of engagement, right?
I can see that happening, but only with the general public, and honestly, I doubt the general public knows how to emulate or even what a Steam Deck is.
The people that decide to emulate on their PCs are a different type of consumer. They aren't the type that go blind into an online store and spend their money because they like what they see there. The people that emulate are more "hardcore" gamers, the kind that knows what games just released or are going to release soon without having to look at the eShop. People like you and me.
So yeah, you still haven't convinced me.
Shortcut to avoid having to use Nintendo subscriptions, accessories, and consoles.The niche of people that buy a Switch and games to rip them is almost certainly going to be a discerning bunch that doesn't buy random games because a eShop storefront put it in their face. If they want games, there's a good chance those games will be multi-platform. Guess where the person who wants to play his Switch games on a PC/Steamdeck is going to buy his multiplats.
The selection of Switch-only digital-only games isn't going to make a huge difference to anyone, and again it's whether or not the customers in question would want them. If they're going out of their way to play the games on different hardware, what makes you think they're going to want games they can only play on the hardware? Your argument is about average customers, but this isn't about average customers. They're the type that posts on NeoGAF and don't look to Nintendo's in-shop advertising for game purchasing suggestions because they're a little more discerning than that. They walk into the shop knowing what they want, buy it, and leave.
What shortcuts? Shortcuts to better performing games held back by budget hardware?
You haven't explained why not buying Nintendo products is preferable to buying them just because you don't choose to fully immerse yourself in the Switch ecosystem. What if you don't connect the Switch to the internet and just play the games offline out of the box? Is that also doing a disservice to Nintendo? It's functionally identical to buying the console and games only to rip what you've bought, and I'd wager that it's actually a more common occurrence.
I'll say it again: you don't owe Nintendo shit. No one does. They make a fuckton of money as it is with their pricing, so the spiel about how customers are screwing them out of extra profit is backwards.
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You did not explain where's the harm, though.
I don't understand your first point, the game is created for the hardware. Nintendo would not make it if it was not. Nintendo makes games so people buy their systems. The whole issue here is that people use scummy tactics to bypass that and use the Steamdeck, losing Nintendo hardware sales and money and bypassing the Nintendo ecosystem. Owning a Switch makes people buy more Switch games.
What do you mean? money, affinity, and their business models. All suffer.
Stop being such a corporate shill.
If he buys a Switch AND the games, but ultimately decides to rip and play them on PC, there's no harm done. Your engagement argument doesn't make sense in this case, get over it.
Not a shortcut. It's much more effort.
Of course it's about being online or offline, because you made it about that. If you're offline you aren't in the eShop buying random games, so by your logic you're just as much as a waste to Nintendo as someone who rips games using the bought and paid for console and games because you aren't in there browsing so you can give Nintendo more money.
You know what a reasonable interaction is with Nintendo products? Same as any other. You buy the hardware, buy the software you like - as much or as little as you see fit - then do whatever you want with it. The experience Nintendo or any other company "intends" means fuck all unless you're some sort of devoted superfan.
Again, think about who we're talking about. The sort of people ripping Switch games either know exactly what's there already or they were never going to buy from the eShop in the first place, because they want to take them OFF the console to play on better hardware. That type of person is the absolute bottom of the list when it comes to Nintendo's target demographic.
You say what we owe means nothing, but your entire argument has been that we owe it to Nintendo to be in there so that we can spend more of our money, and anything short of that is morally and ethically wrong. My argument is that your argument is wrong.
Who's stealing and cheating? We're talking about people who buy a Switch and games. We aren't talking about pirates, off the back of a lorry hardware, or anything else except paying customers.
They knew exactly what they were doing with that first ad
They knew exactly what they were doing with that first ad
