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Is Sony missing out on PC sales by releasing too many games at once?

Stuart360

Member
Still think it was a little shortsighted by Sony to say they didnt release Uncharted 1-3 on PC because of the graphics. Not only would U 2and3 still look very solid at 4k/60, but some of the biggest selling PC games are hardly lookers.

Sure sales for U 1-3 may not of been huge, but i bet sales for U4 would of been much higher that they have been so far if PC people had access to all the games.
 

Fbh

Member
As others have said, I think it has less to do with them releasing too many game and more with the fact PC players aren't that much into linear cinematic third person games, there's a lot of competition this week and maybe starting with the fourth entry isn't ideal.

I can guarantee you that if they had launched a Bloodborne port this same week the numbers would look different.


Still think it was a little shortsighted by Sony to say they didnt release Uncharted 1-3 on PC because of the graphics. Not only would U 2and3 still look very solid at 4k/60, but some of the biggest selling PC games are hardly lookers.

Sure sales for U 1-3 may not of been huge, but i bet sales for U4 would of been much higher that they have been so far if PC people had access to all the games.

Yeah the graphics excuse was weird. As much as PC is capable getting the best graphics (with the right hardware) a large part of the PC audience aren't graphics whores and the majority of PC players aren't on a super high end build either.
Just look at the "new and trending" list on Steam: Persona 5, The Tenants, Vampire Survivor, that new 2D warhammer game, Neo The world Ends with you. The majority of them aren't graphically demanding/impressive.
 

Midn1ght

Member
Many valid points: Uncharted 4 being old and games having long legs on PC. Completely forgot about Persona and the other games released this week to be honest. I just expected a Naughty Dog game to do a bit better at launch I guess.

Also kinda sad for Sackboy next week, we'll see how it goes but I can't see it selling well. Hope I'm wrong cuz it's such a lovely game that deserves to do well. Miles and Returnal will do good I'm sure.
 

Dreamin

Member
It does feel like there's very little hype but I could just be unaware of it. I didn't even know about the Uncharted collection. It's pretty normal for them(or ms & nintendo) to make stupid decisions for a few years after a successful generation.
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
No Sony isn’t “missing out on sales” we got god of war mix in vr, games all over the place on PC and they’ll continue AAA production.

I think its impressive you even got your own personal tag from a mod about Halo benchmark, because I can never figure out what the hell you are replying to, and why you post so much randomness.

I mean, damn I love your comments, but it's basically because they are from another dimension.
 

Fredrik

Member
Sony just getting their foot in the door to PC gaming and the way they are releasing games are just to warm up the Sony fanbase to eventual day and date
Can go either way, they can use the low sales to…

1. …announce that delayed releases aren’t giving them the sales numbers they expected, so they’ll start doing day 1 releases on PC.

2. …announce that the games aren’t selling as much as expected, so they’ll stop porting games to PC.
 
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SSfox

Member
Too many games? lol it wasn't too many games even in 2011 and we had 100x more games then.
Besides - Pirates
Oh forgot about that also, maybe i should become a Pirate too when it comes Sony studios games

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BennyBlanco

aka IMurRIVAL69
I think its impressive you even got your own personal tag from a mod about Halo benchmark, because I can never figure out what the hell you are replying to, and why you post so much randomness.

I mean, damn I love your comments, but it's basically because they are from another dimension.

EverydayBeast EverydayBeast is the very best poster on this website IMO. Guy is always keepin me guesing.
 

00_Zer0

Member
Edit-Oops! As some have said the holiday is coming up and people will pick and choose wisely on games when bigger and newer games are coming out. I think as time goes on the shock value of buying a Sony AAA game on PC will fade away. The "gotta buy it now" mentality will wear off. I am looking forward to Returnal, and hopefully we get a PC release of Ratchet and Clank. Sorry, ND games just don't do it for me anymore.
 
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Ozriel

M$FT
That's a long term strategy. Games on PC sells forever

At much reduced prices during the tail segment. As usual, front loaded sales are the best.

PC gamers generally don't gravitate towards high difficulty games, even more so when they are cinematic.

nonsense. Elden Ring sold a ton of units, for example

Thoughts?

Your post pretty much covers everything. Being sandwiched by MW2 and Persona 5 can’t have helped.
 

Stuart360

Member
What a waste of money, hope more ports bomb on pc, they should be investing more on PlayStation plus extra/premium, not stabing PlayStation fans in the back,
How much do you think these ports are costing Sony?. Even this Uncharted collection will turn a profit eventually, if it hasnt already.
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
I think Theres a multitude of reasons but like many said, starting on 4 won't have helped and I just don't think pc players are as interested in such a console style guided game.

Saying that, I bet last of us one nails it.

Is there any completion rates for god of war on pc?
 
weird how you glossed over the ‘open world sandbox’ part. Things that appeal to PC gamers.

What good is an open world sandbox when the core game is so superficial/bad?

Someone else was making the claim that PC gamers "allegedly" only play REAL games that contain "meaty gameplay". Their words, not mine.

I just posited that this accusation was categorically false.
 

Midn1ght

Member
I think Theres a multitude of reasons but like many said, starting on 4 won't have helped and I just don't think pc players are as interested in such a console style guided game.

Saying that, I bet last of us one nails it.

Is there any completion rates for god of war on pc?
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SmokedMeat

Gamer™
I don’t think so.

Here’s the thing; Sony’s the biggest fish in the PlayStation pond. But in the PC ocean, they’re just another fish.
Simple cinematic games aren’t exactly the types of games that draw the most players on PC. That plus they’re competing against a deluge of games arriving every day. They’re competing against subscriptions, and popular online series.

Uncharted wasn’t a great port, so it’s no surprise if the numbers aren’t immediately impressive. Sales will pick up as the price drops. Games have long tails on PC.
 
No game gets up to 97% MC with ‘bad gameplay’. Your opinion is a significant outlier

I think games with bad gameplay can reach those levels of metacritic. GTA/RDR do it all the time based on superficial elements of the rest of the package. It doesn't make them bad games. But they certainly aren't "meaty core gamer games" which was my point.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
I think games with bad gameplay can reach those levels of metacritic. GTA/RDR do it all the time based on superficial elements of the rest of the package. It doesn't make them bad games. But they certainly aren't "meaty core gamer games" which was my point.

I’m sorry, but this has zero basis in reality. You don’t get any more ‘meaty core gamers game’ than Rockstar’s flagships, and the sales numbers and CCUs bear that out.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Umm…what?

Since when have sales corresponded to gameplay?

You said they aren’t core gamers games.

I’ve pointed out that not only do they sell well over an incredibly long period (suggesting excellent word of mouth), but the high number of concurrents shows that people enjoy playing them.

Claiming that a game that many gamers play doesn't appeal to core gamers is quite the argument.
 

Larxia

Member
Also regarding uncharted in particular, they are excluding a significant subset of PC gamers with FX,Sandy bridge or ivy bridge processors that could play all the other Sony releases just fine thanks to the idiotic AVX2 requirement.
Wow, I had no idea about this, I think it's the first time I see something like this, at least since a very very long time.
It means I couldn't even have played this with my previous cpu a year ago.
 

yurinka

Member
Sony was really dumb debuting a story driven franchise on a new platform with the fourth entry in the series. What were they thinking?

I don’t think so.

Here’s the thing; Sony’s the biggest fish in the PlayStation pond. But in the PC ocean, they’re just another fish.
Simple cinematic games aren’t exactly the types of games that draw the most players on PC. That plus they’re competing against a deluge of games arriving every day. They’re competing against subscriptions, and popular online series.

Uncharted wasn’t a great port, so it’s no surprise if the numbers aren’t immediately impressive. Sales will pick up as the price drops. Games have long tails on PC.

They thought that since it was a GOTY and sold around 20M copies or almost they could sell a handful extra million copies on PC with a quick port of the PS5 remaster, as they will very likely do (after its whole lifetime, not in the first couple of days).

Spider-Man, Horizon, GoW or TLOU sold slightly better than Uncharted 4 in PS4 and they aren't sequels (or well, in the case of GoW it's basically reboot that can be played as the first game) so I assume Sony predicted that this Uncharted collection will sell in PC less than these other supersellers.

The game barely has been released, we don't even have the complete concurrent user numbers of the first days and have no idea of launch sales. It's too early even to analyze the CCU numbers of the early days. We need more days to analyze launch sales and look more at reviews than to CCU to estimate sales.

And when comparing to other games, we have to compare similar timeframes, not a couple of days versus what other games sold during all their lifetime.

I also think that Sony will have considered that in this part of the year there are a ton of great new AAA games being released, so a full priced port of a 6 years old game won't have stunning sales at launch specially when being a 4th chapter of a story driven game bundled with its (originally) standalone DLC game.
 
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MidGenRefresh

*Refreshes biennially
I refuse to start with the 4th game in a very story-oriented series.

From what I remember, story in 4 is not connected to the original trilogy in any meaningful way. It also adds characters that never were but should be mentioned before because it's convenient for the writers.

And to be honest, story in all 4 Uncharted games follow the same template anyway. It's nothing ground-breaking. Characters are likeable (mostly) and acting is great, but don't expect amazing story.
 
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Chiggs

Member
Uncharted just doesn't feel like a PC type of game for me...for reasons I'm having trouble articulating. Now Demon's Souls, Returnal and TLOU Part 1?

Oh yes...send them my way.
 
It was a dumb move to start porting with the FUCKING 4th in the series. Imagine not giving players the second one. Imagine expecting PC players to magically love the characters that Sony players did over the years with 1,2,3 and just skip to 4 and having no idea who the fuck these ppl are. Fucking ridiculous decision. I double dipped most sony pc ports but I wont touch Uncharted 4 unless they port 1,2,3 as well.
 
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Braag

Member
The problem is that it's the 4th game in the series. It's not like GoW which was a soft reboot so it's okay to start with it.
Also it's old as sin at this point.
 
PC gamers : we want Sony games on pc master race 8K240FPS.
Sony : Okey!
PC gamers : cry baby playstation, we won pc master race!
Sony : there they are...
PC gamers : no thanks, to busy playing some COD shit...
Sony : is it good? You don't want our games?
PC gamers : shut up loosers!


PC gamers, ladies and gentlemen.
 
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DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
I think going forward Sony needs to get these remasters etc out day one on PC. I dunno, I'm quite stumped over this.

I think last of us and ghost of tsushima would do well. Returnal and demons souls would be big hits on PC I think. Bigger sales than ps5 imo.
 

Guilty_AI

Member
PC gamers : we want Sony games on pc master race 8K240FPS.
Sony : Okey!
PC gamers : cry baby playstation, we won pc master race!
Sony : there they are...
PC gamers : no thanks, to busy playing some COD shit...
Sony : is it good?
PC gamers : shut up loosers!

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More like:
PC gamers: "Give us Bloodborne!"
Sony: "Ok heres Sackboy adventures"
 
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