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[Forbes] PlayStation Is Still A Hit Machine While Xbox Hasn’t Even Started Catching Up

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
If they can admit that, why can’t you?
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The whole "MS has no games" talk died last year when they had 3 GOTY quality games.
They had their bi-annual racing game that was almost identical to the previous game, a multi-platform game that they bought up near end of production and I'm not sure the other - the simulation game?

They followed it up with a full year of no releases outside of the indie-like game with Obsidian's name put on it.

I personally need more than this. Let's see if next year actually produces, like we say every year lately.
 
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If you start listing AA games like Kena, then you might as well include everything from The Medium to Sable, The Ascent and dozen more.
That's the truth.

Rogue Legacy 2 also. Death's Door. Scorn. Somerville. High on Life. Warhammer Darktide. Slime Rancher 2. Shredders. And more.
 
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This is one of the most hilarious takes I've seen in a while.

If that's the case then why isn't Xbox dominating everywhere outside of Japan? They seem to know what people want right?

It's parent company is. With PC.

They have mentioned multiple times they are not interested in selling most amount of consoles. Which is fine.
 

TheTony316

Member
I mean, he's right. Gamepass, pro consumer tactics, cheapest current gen console, 23 studios, trillions of dollars and they still can't catch up to Playstation.
 

GHG

Gold Member
It's parent company is. With PC.

They have mentioned multiple times they are not interested in selling most amount of consoles. Which is fine.

If they don't care about selling the most consoles then why should anyone care about this:

When their innovation in console space has helped industry to grow at where it is today.

Would you look at that, they grew the console space so much with their "innovation", so much so that they now don't care about selling the most consoles.

The success was so much that they couldn't handle it.
 

MidGenRefresh

*Refreshes biennially
You realize The Medium (which sucks) is also on PS5?

You realize The Ascent is also on PS5?

You realize that we were talking about 2021. I made a mistake when it comes to The Medium as this was released in 2021 on both Xbox and PlayStation, 9 months apart.
 
You realize that we were talking about 2021. I made a mistake when it comes to The Medium as this was released in 2021 on both Xbox and PlayStation, 9 months apart.
So you're really shuffling goal posts around to make an argument. About games that are barely worth mentioning even IF they were actually exclusives.
 
And Sifu is on Switch so it can never be referenced in any Sony related thread ever again. Forever.
How often is Sifu brought up?

And we are comparing Xbox vs PlayStation, the fact a game is also on Switch such as Ori and the Will of the Wisps or Disgaea 6 is irrelevant when comparing Xbox and PS.
 
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PJX

Member
Yeah, we need more articles like this. Going an entire generation without any GOTY contenders is one thing, but to start off so poorly is simply unacceptable.

GOW came out in April 2018 when they went out and acquired Ninja Theory, Obsidian, Playground Games, and that State of Decay studio. They had also started initiative around that time. Sony managed to produce a GOTY caliber sequel in 4.5 years since while those Xbox studios are sitting there twiddling their thumbs. PG inexplicably made another Forza Horizon game in the meantime.

The NY Yankees just got swept like bitches in the ALCS. Their owner threw his full support behind the manager and GM almost immediately. Basically absolving them of any blame, and telling the fanbase they are not changing anything. Microsoft has done the same thing over the last 9 years keeping the same management that has consistently failed to deliver. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting things to change is the definition of insanity.
But I was told Phil was the saviour.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
Halo Infinite was supposed to be their big title for the gen. We can all laugh at it now, but they spent hundreds of millions of dollars and gave 343 basically everything they needed for that project. They claimed they learned all the lessons from 4/5 and were building the game from scratch to be all things to all people. They were positioning it at launch with GP to get people to buy the system and GP to play it.

Maybe delivering a 10/10 knockout game like Halo 3 is asking a lot but that’s what they were riding on. If Infinite was as good as they wanted it to be, again Halo 3 quality type game, everything would be fine. Of course, 343 did 343 things and the game was not just a joke and meme at unveiling, not just half-formed after a year delay, but continues to be a pile of shit a year later. So it all went belly up. I really think MS pivoted to the Activision purchase because this game was such a disaster and they knew it.
 
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ungalo

Member
The Xbox One days until 2016 included were not that bad compared to what we have now. Sony already had the upper hand in quality with some releases but Microsoft wasn't far behind. Since Scalebound was cancelled there wasn't any big year.

The thing is, i don't even know if they are doing what they're doing on purpose. I feel like Phil's been talking about japanese games for years now. And the only thing we have is a cloud game with Kojima, it's not even Xbox focused. It's the same for a lot of games that are in Microsoft DNA but not in the Xbox DNA like Flight Sim, AoE, Gears Tactics, Ara...it makes me think that if they wanted to have a line up for Xbox, even if it's not with huge AAA, they could definitely do it, but they won't.

The Xbox Series launched with absolutely nothing, a few bad indie games exclusive for 3 months. Either they really don't know how to focus on one thing anymore, they don't have any schedule, they don't have a strategy and only grab opportunities. Or it's a matter of reducing costs, and the Gamepass/cloud/PC strategy vampirized everything, they don't really see Xbox as their center but one pillar among many. But that's weird considering Xbox is still their biggest gaming plateform by far and that they said Gamepass growth was limited.
 

Gudji

Member
This isn’t even console warring.

It’s a fact that their first party output has been a fucking joke since Xbox 360 last few years.

If they can admit that, why can’t you?

Sony hasn’t just overlapped them, but the quality and quantity output of their studios is on a completely different level MS can only dream of right now.

It’s time for them to deliver
Fixed.
 

64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
i know people are sick of waiting, and exclusives wise its been an abysmal first two years for the console.

good thing is this time there is actually light at end of tunnel, fingers crossed
they always say that but what i want is results. good results
 

Oof85

Member
Audiance is no longer interested in your products.

How come in a few years they went from home consoles to phones so fast?

It's not like their work conditions changed overnight.
Have you seen the software charts in Japan? They're breaking all time sales records.

Now some 3rd parties have definitely been marginalized but that's on them.
Git gud and create compelling games.

Content is king.
 
How often is Sifu brought up?

And we are comparing Xbox vs PlayStation, the fact a game is also on Switch such as Ori and the Will of the Wisps or Disgaea 6 is irrelevant when comparing Xbox and PS.
It's not irrelevant. The whole thread is comparing first party output. But you very frequently see other games brought up all the time that aren't first party, like Kena, Sifu, or even FFXVI. The point we were making is that these often get ignored when other people do it, but treated like Sony titles when Sony does it. Stray is another great example of this. No one acts like Nintendo helped make Neon White, but everyone acts like Sony personally massaged Stray into greatness. Both are published by Annapurna.
 
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FrankWza

Member
Yeah, we need more articles like this. Going an entire generation without any GOTY contenders is one thing, but to start off so poorly is simply unacceptable.

GOW came out in April 2018 when they went out and acquired Ninja Theory, Obsidian, Playground Games, and that State of Decay studio. They had also started initiative around that time. Sony managed to produce a GOTY caliber sequel in 4.5 years since while those Xbox studios are sitting there twiddling their thumbs. PG inexplicably made another Forza Horizon game in the meantime.

The NY Yankees just got swept like bitches in the ALCS. Their owner threw his full support behind the manager and GM almost immediately. Basically absolving them of any blame, and telling the fanbase they are not changing anything. Microsoft has done the same thing over the last 9 years keeping the same management that has consistently failed to deliver. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting things to change is the definition of insanity.
Only problem with this comparison is that the yanks at least have a history of winning. How do you compare? Console generation? 100 million sales? I think the Brooklyn Nets are a better comparison.
 

64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
and as for the games you are talking, they should have done that during bethesda purchase.
i know, but.....
With Bethesda, they were always more of a PC focused company. First entries of fallout and elder scrolls were windows exclusive (Xbox exclusive in the case of morrowind) and titles like skyrim and morrowind would get DLC earlier than PlayStation. I don't approve of the whole taking games away from Playstation thing, though, but all of the games Bethesda makes and dabbles in are clearly genres that would sell better on Xbox/Windows. Besides, Bethesda is a hotbed of talent so I think the purchase was a good call.
i still do think that taking away titles from ps owners is a bad thing but Bethesda honestly feels right at home with Xbox. Activision is a way harder acquisition to justify though, maybe besides the fact COD during its peak was with Xbox there isn't much of a reason for Microsoft to spring towards them.
 
It's interesting that NOW we care what Paul Tassi says.

man i wish phil/matt were reading these forums
Plenty of PlayStation fans tell Phil and the entire Xbox team their thoughts regularly on Twitter.



It's not irrelevant. The whole thread is comparing first party output. But you very frequently see other games brought up all the time that aren't first party, like Kena, Sifu, or even FFXVI. The point we were making is that these often get ignored when other people do it, but treated like Sony titles when Sony does it. Stray is another great example of this.
If we are talking about purely games being made available, Xbox is doing fantastic. There is tons to play and since Xbox was never really reliant on first party droughts like this, while unfortunate, aren't the biggest deal. I'd rather the games get delayed and be quality than be rushed and ridiculed.
 

Oof85

Member
These takes are weird and ironic considering you're doing exactly that to 2021's output from Playstation. They had Returnal and Ratchet & Clank that don't fall under that category yet you guys just dismissed them. Plus the timed exclusives Kena, Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo. None of these games fall under that category you guys talk about.

Also, didn't an indie game won plenty of GOTY awards recently?
Returnal definitely doesn't fall under that label but Ratchet clearly does.

And what got the most acclaim last year?

Returnal was a pleasant surprise but Ratchet was the bigger game by the media's response, even though later on it was pretty but the rift gameplay was a nonstarter.

Glossy, AAA Action Adventure is the formula
 
Easy to write that article given the recent reviews for Golf of War.

It's true for sure but that's been the case since the Xbox's entry into the console space.
Yea, which is so weird. Of course they've had their hits, no one is denying that, but I'm almost 100% sure there are as much talent in the Xbox studios as their are in the PlayStation studios. I refuse to believe there is a big talent gap. It has to be that the talent isn't being utilized properly or isn't being allowed to be as good as they can be. So probably management, that's my guess.
 

Markio128

Member
Playing devil’s advocate, I guess MS could have released Starfield this year, but they did the sensible thing and delayed it, so it could be polished. I was pretty gutted at the time, but I’m lucky enough to own a PS5 and Switch as well, meaning I’ll never experience a complete drought.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
It's interesting that NOW we care what Paul Tassi says.
Oh STFU. Most of us were negging on him.

Go spitshine your Xbox.

Plenty of PlayStation fans tell Phil and the entire Xbox team their thoughts regularly on Twitter.


Super cringe on Xbox's part, since they don't call out their own warriors.
 
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ChorizoPicozo

Gold Member
Playing devil’s advocate, I guess MS could have released Starfield this year, but they did the sensible thing and delayed it, so it could be polished. I was pretty gutted at the time, but I’m lucky enough to own a PS5 and Switch as well, meaning I’ll never experience a complete drought.
Not the point my dude.
 

64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
Xbox was never really reliant on first party droughts like this, while unfortunate, aren't the biggest deal. I'd rather the games get delayed and be quality than be rushed and ridiculed.
so how the fuck did the first one manage to outsell the gamecube? how the fuck did the 360 sell 80+ million? did microsoft brainwash millions of people to invest into their green box instead of a Playstation?

Look man if you truly liked Xbox you'd be critical of it. You can still like Xbox even if they've got little first party, no one's blaming you. But just fucking admit it dude. PLEASE
 
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Jennings

Member
This is not a news article. This is not journalism. This was not written by Forbes. This is one person's third-party opinion piece uploaded to the Forbes website. It's fluff, and should not be respected any more than your average tweet or forum post.

These are the same types of Forbes contributors that upload words just to brag about their kids.

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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Only problem with this comparison is that the yanks at least have a history of winning. How do you compare? Console generation? 100 million sales? I think the Brooklyn Nets are a better comparison.
Yeah, but didnt the Nets just fire their manager.

They have stuck with this GM for the last 25 years now. He's won a total of 1 world series in the last 22 years despite spending close to $5 billion on payroll. This manager has spent 5 seasons without ever even reaching the world series. How is it not clear to ownership that these guys cant do it? Phil has spent billions since he took over in 2013. Minecraft $3.5 billion, Zenimax $8 billion, Activision $75 billion, who knows what he paid for those smaller studios. It's clear that hes good at spending money. Just not good at producing results.

Get him the fuck outta there.
 
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