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[MicTyson]

To be fair this is Sonys first game of the generation thats really a must play and its cross gen.

I can't believe there are still console warriors when both these systems have absolutely sucked since launching. There isn't one reason to buy either yet and we are two years in. It's rather pathetic.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sony San Diego and their stupid compromised vision ..

MS did but the High Heat license just to bin it to entice EA to their Live and OG Xbox. They’re welcome to show Sony how it’s done.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

To be fair this is Sonys first game of the generation thats really a must play and its cross gen.

I can't believe there are still console warriors when both these systems have absolutely sucked since launching. There isn't one reason to buy either yet and we are two years in. It's rather pathetic.

You are better than this

 

[bender]

MS did but the High Heat license just to bin it to entice EA to their Live and OG Xbox. They’re welcome to show Sony how it’s done.

The High Heat games were always a generation behind on graphics but they were great otherwise.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The High Heat games were always a generation behind on graphics but they were great otherwise.

Their gameplay was stellar. Lots of those features made it into The Show.

 

[BadBurger]

To be fair this is Sonys first game of the generation thats really a must play and its cross gen.

I can't believe there are still console warriors when both these systems have absolutely sucked since launching. There isn't one reason to buy either yet and we are two years in. It's rather pathetic.

They also had the Demon's Souls remake, Ratchet and Clank, and Returnal. I'd even consider Spider-Man Remastered considering how drastic of an upgrade that is over the PS4/Pro version.

 

[ReBurn]

People did want to do that because that's what people were doing with Kinect in the tale end of the 360 Kinect fad as games sales on it dried up. Microsoft assumed that Kinect had a second life so if they FORCED it with the consoles it would be a major reason to buy the consoles.

it was, except only about 3 million people cared about Kinect 2 so they overestimated how many people would wait that long for a Kinect 2, and who would want to pay $500 on top of a new consoles to pay for it.

Really, MS should have released Kinect 2 as an option for the 360 and the Xbox One, as there's nothing about Kinect 2 that required Xbox One hardware to run other than a few games that had good graphics the 360 couldn't run, which they could have downscaled.

They didn't force Kinect on people until Xbox One launch. There were Xbox 360 consoles and bundles that included Kinect but there was not a time during the Xbox 360's existence where the only official way to buy one was with Kinect included.

The holidays where there were Kinect bundles that included family games also had bundles with more mature games that did not include Kinect. The inventory without Kinect sold out faster so it may have seemed like Kinect was being forced on people, but it was mostly that those were the only consoles left after Black Friday.

Microsoft tried to pull an Apple with Xbox One and wanted to convince people that they were the future of the living room through Kinect and DVR. People laughed them straight to third place because they never wanted Kinect or Xbox DVR that much in the first place. Firing Mattrick and unwinding Kinect from Xbox One was the right call, but it was too late.

Daddy Phil has a long road ahead of him so he needs to get the games out there.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

What discussion is there? Did you like the game or didn’t you like the game. That’s all that matters.

No when using hyperbolic/ categorical statements:

Is not: I didn't like the game

It is: this game is trash/shit.

Is not: I like the game

It is: this game is a masterpiece and better than the game you like.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

They didn't force Kinect on people until Xbox One launch. There were Xbox 360 consoles and bundles that included Kinect but there was not a time during the Xbox 360's existence where the only official way to buy one was with Kinect included.

I said in the post you quoted they started forcing Kinect with the Xbox one, I didn't say 360 lol.

Microsoft assumed that Kinect had a second life so if they FORCED it with the consoles it would be a major reason to buy the consoles.

it was, except only about 3 million people cared about Kinect 2 so they overestimated how many people would wait that long for a Kinect 2, and who would want to pay $500 on top of a new consoles to pay for it.

That was in response to you talking about the Xbox One.

 

[GametimeUK]

To be fair Microsofts first party output last generation wasn't great... at all. This generation I am in a bit of a weird spot because I want to cut them some slack and treat the Series as a clean slate.

Halo and Forza last year was just incredible for me . The next gen version of Psychonauts 2 was also exclusive to Xbox Series and in all honesty is probably my favourite game if the gen so far (alongside Demon's Souls).

So I have it as being 1 year amazing and 1 year atrocious. That's just basing things off of new releases, but there is more to a console that exclusives only. There's plenty of enhanced backwards compatibility games I still want to play for example or the fact that Elden Ring (the goty) is (arguably) best experienced on Xbox Series X if you have a VRR display.

Ultimately I'm massively disappointed this year for Xbox, but I understand games don't usually get pumped out easily every 1 or 2 years anymore. I mean we had a complete trilogy of God of War in around 5 years back in the day.

I'm willing to wait and see how 2023 pans out for team green, but it isn't too bad for me since I have way too many consoles to play and a backlog to finish regardless.

 

[Topher]

Let's be fair. The majority of people have garbage opinions.

That's your opinion. And, apparently, there is a high probability that it is garbage.

 

[SLB1904]

Remember this for this years results too

That would be like trying to cover the sun with a net

The battle is already lost mah dude

 

[rolandss]

Let’s be frank. When Bethesda get around to actually releasing Starfield, a new Fallout and new Elder Scrolls, none which will appear on PlayStation, this conversation will change completely.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

No when using hyperbolic/ categorical statements:

Is not: I didn't like the game

It is: this game is trash/shit.

Is not: I like the game

It is: this game is a masterpiece and better than the game you like.

The better method is not even engage with people that have silly opinions they can’t quantify. I don’t need a metacritic score to know when the conversation isn’t worth having.

Anyway, we have different ideas here and that’s fine. I don’t want to derail the thread. For what it’s worth I think you are right in the grand scheme of things.

 

[remember_spinal]

Let’s be frank. When Bethesda get around to actually releasing Starfield, a new Fallout and new Elder Scrolls, none which will appear on PlayStation, this conversation will change completely.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[Sanepar]

That's a Tassi headline if I ever saw one. Guy knows how to set fire to console warriors.

But he isn't lying, every year will be the year and then nothing happens and hype goes to next year.

 

[diffusionx]

My question to you is why do you care? If you think MS has failed them ignore them and move on. Why would people so happy with their console choice complain about what is happening on a system they don't even own? You worried about Xbox customers?

I mean, a lot of us were Xbox gamers at one point. A lot of us really loved the 360 at the least. I know I did. So, I say that Xbox failed me. Seeing them completely shit their pants with Halo saddens me because I was a big fan Halo fan. Seeing how they claimed to be building a new studio to make premium games then outsourcing them to Eidos is pretty hilarious, but also a bummer because these games are in dev hell. Feels like they are just flailing about.

I bought a PS5 and have to say not once have I thought this gen I made the wrong decision.

 

[diffusionx]

Let’s be frank. When Bethesda get around to actually releasing Starfield, a new Fallout and new Elder Scrolls, none which will appear on PlayStation, this conversation will change completely.

Ok cool we can revisit this in 2033 then.

 

[Topher]

Let’s be frank. When Bethesda get around to actually releasing Starfield, a new Fallout and new Elder Scrolls, none which will appear on PlayStation, this conversation will change completely.

And then the cycle starts all over again. Just like last year when a lot of Xbox fans here on this forum were pointing at the fact that PlayStation "had no games" the second half of last year. And now, this year is stacked for PlayStation and Xbox is lacking. Next year is looking better for Xbox than it is for Playstation. And on and on. Just a silly cycle of console warrior bullshit if we are going to be frank.

But he isn't lying, every year will be the year and then nothing happens and hype goes to next year.

Pretty much what I was saying above, but it goes both ways. Last year, was a good year for Xbox, imo. If games are kickass games then I really don't care what system they are on.

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

Ok cool we can revisit this in 2033 then.

More 2037-39 considering Fallout 4 is from 2015.

 

[Handel]

Pretty big overreaction considering that Xbox had a great 2021 and looks to have a great 2023. Him dismissing Forza's success because it's a racing game is just asinine and emblematic of modern gaming's obsession with only certain types of games rather than enjoying gaming overall.

Doesn't mean much. Top 3 is a great result for Forza. I wouldn't consider the rest of the top 10 as serious GOTY caliber games either, no more than I would say Ratchet, Metroid Dread, Guardians of the Galaxy etc are

Also wasn't the strongest year ever. Forza Horizon was the only game in the top 10 to crack 90 on MC

I think there is a big difference in caliber for a game to get high 80s vs the games pushing into 91+ territory

There really isn't, that more has to do with certain genres being more popular than others more often than not. It Takes Two and Psychonauts 2 are both outstanding games but are more niche, so high 80s is the limit in today's industry.

 

[remember_spinal]

Pretty big overreaction considering that Xbox had a great 2021 and looks to have a great 2023. Him dismissing Forza's success because it's a racing game is just asinine and emblematic of modern gaming's obsession with only certain types of games rather than enjoying gaming overall.


There really isn't, that more has to do with certain genres being more popular than others more often than not. It Takes Two and Psychonauts 2 are both outstanding games but are more niche, so high 80s is the limit in today's industry.

I think people are just tired of hearing about those franchises, forza, halo, gears. Thats just not going to anyone thats not already indoctrinated xbox fans excited at this point.

Their first real shot to break the mold this generation is starfield.

 

[solidus12]

Let’s be frank. When Bethesda get around to actually releasing Starfield, a new Fallout and new Elder Scrolls, none which will appear on PlayStation, this conversation will change completely.

So basically, keep waiting til 20XX...
Which means, you should expect more articles like these:

See you in 2038

 

[Yoboman]

Pretty big overreaction considering that Xbox had a great 2021 and looks to have a great 2023. Him dismissing Forza's success because it's a racing game is just asinine and emblematic of modern gaming's obsession with only certain types of games rather than enjoying gaming overall.


There really isn't, that more has to do with certain genres being more popular than others more often than not. It Takes Two and Psychonauts 2 are both outstanding games but are more niche, so high 80s is the limit in today's industry.

What? That's total cap

Mainline Mario has no issues exceeding well over 90 and exists in the same genre. There are levels to quality. It Takes Two and Psychonauts are great but also not the types of games that will be in Game of the Gen discussions in a few years. Great games that stand out because of a lack of competition in that year a bit like Dragon Age Inquisition in 2014

MS is hitting the mark at least last year on great games but the point of the OP article is that they've yet to have that game that breaks through to that next level of prestige. Not at least since Halo 3 probably

 

[Knightime_X]

How does this NOT sound like console warring instigating?
smh

 

[Represent.]

How does this NOT sound like console warring instigating?
smh

the truth isnt console warring. Microsoft literally admitted its a weak output. its not console warring

 

[Knightime_X]

the truth isnt console warring. Microsoft literally admitted its a weak output. its not console warring

Truth is the best trolling ammo you can have.
Purely designed to inflame the opposing party.
Trust me.

 

[NickFire]

And then the cycle starts all over again. Just like last year when a lot of Xbox fans here on this forum were pointing at the fact that PlayStation "had no games" the second half of last year. And now, this year is stacked for PlayStation and Xbox is lacking. Next year is looking better for Xbox than it is for Playstation. And on and on. Just a silly cycle of console warrior bullshit if we are going to be frank.



Pretty much what I was saying above, but it goes both ways. Last year, was a good year for Xbox, imo. If games are kickass games then I really don't care what system they are on.

Oooohhhh you done done it now. You just wait till Spider-Man gets home and sees what you done!

 

[Topher]

Oooohhhh you done done it now. You just wait till Spider-Man gets home and sees what you done!

I think he already knows....

 

[Crayon]

 

[DarkMage619]

I mean, a lot of us were Xbox gamers at one point. A lot of us really loved the 360 at the least. I know I did. So, I say that Xbox failed me. Seeing them completely shit their pants with Halo saddens me because I was a big fan Halo fan. Seeing how they claimed to be building a new studio to make premium games then outsourcing them to Eidos is pretty hilarious, but also a bummer because these games are in dev hell. Feels like they are just flailing about.

I bought a PS5 and have to say not once have I thought this gen I made the wrong decision.

Sorry Xbox let you down man. I'm pretty happy with them for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Compared to last generation they are leaps and bounds better. I'll take game pass, game pass, game pass over TV TV TV any day. Unless it's confirmed they'll never release any new games I have no problem waiting for the next release especially if it's not a rush job. I have tons to play already.

 

[Handel]

What? That's total cap

Mainline Mario has no issues exceeding well over 90 and exists in the same genre. There are levels to quality. It Takes Two and Psychonauts are great but also not the types of games that will be in Game of the Gen discussions in a few years. Great games that stand out because of a lack of competition in that year a bit like Dragon Age Inquisition in 2014

MS is hitting the mark at least last year on great games but the point of the OP article is that they've yet to have that game that breaks through to that next level of prestige. Not at least since Halo 3 probably

Mainline Mario is an exception because it's Nintendo, and a pure platformer which Psychonauts and It Takes Two quite aren't. They are quirky in ways that may not be to everyone's tastes(coop only for ITT, mindscape levels in Psychonauts). There is a lot more to review scores then just actual quality, and it's sad that you base your opinions on game quality through metacritic averages. You even go against your own high metacritic=quality argument here since Forza Horizon 5 has a 92 metacritic, putting it into that next level of prestige. I guess it doesn't count for you either though, because it's "the wrong genre"

 

[Handel]

https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-3

if only Microsoft games of late had the "prestige" of a game like Mass Effect 3, they could be contenders

 

[EDMIX]

i will agree with forbes on this one

Same.

I think it will take a whole generation and then some before people see them on an even footing when they are able to get out Avowed, Starfield, Elder Scrolls VI etc. It will take time, but I think this is the route MS should have been on for generations now competing against Sony cause for a long time, it as like Sony was basically competing with themselves.

Literally, their own fucking studios are competing with GOTY with each other more so then even MS. So I think MS needs many factors here, they need that real freedom for those teams to move the fuck on, we don't need 100x Halo games watching that series flop, shit like this is why I'm happy Sony just lets those teams move on, sure a Killzone 5 would be awesome, but if the team wants to fucking move on, why force them in a IP they don't want to be in anymore?

The team would have just left Sony and went on to publish Horizon Zero Dawn else where and it would have been Ubisoft or Activision etc with some GOTY, 20 million seller or something, same with Ghost Of Tsushima, The Last Of Us and many more.

So like EA, I get that MS as of late has made statements about giving their teams more freedom, but when you have generations of bad practices and teams forced to work on IPs to death with flop after flop, its hard for many of us to believe that and we need to see real results and that put in to practice.

So I think its going to be a while before we see those acquisitions and new creative freedom bare fruit for them.

 

[THE DUCK]

I dont know why they say it hasn't worked out, I'm sure ms knew it would take years to deliver these projects. While I'll admit 2022 could have been better for them, the future looks fine.

 

[DavidGzz]

More reason to push the ABK deal through.

 

[MasterCornholio]

That's your opinion. And, apparently, there is a high probability that it is garbage.

 

[Boneless]

Thats why I have a PS5 besides my PC.

 

[DenchDeckard]

If Microsoft 2023 isn't an all time banger then jobs fuckd

 

[archangelmorph]

Guys Halo: Infinite was supposed to be the flagship Metacritic killer.

 

[Heisenberg007]

To be fair this is Sonys first game of the generation thats really a must play and its cross gen.

I can't believe there are still console warriors when both these systems have absolutely sucked since launching. There isn't one reason to buy either yet and we are two years in. It's rather pathetic.

Nah. Sony has released 12+ exclusives since the console launch, and most of them have been must-plays.

 

[Negotiator101]

Are we all seemingly forgetting all the games coming next year? Starfield, Redfall, Forza and that's without any further announcements specifically for 2023. That's 2 brand new IP and a reboot of one of the best racing games ever.

Also the notion that every PS first party game is a GOTY is nonsense. In fact before Ragnarok they've not had a 90+ metacritic rating since 2020 with Demon Souls (itself a remake of an old game). The making new original IP that apparently Sony encourages and Microsoft just make Halo, Gears and Forza nonsense is laughable. In fact PS have had more sequels or plain old remakes/remasters this generation than anyone

Anyhow Ragnarok is a fantastic game and this article should have been about that, rather than inciting the PS fanboys on here with this rubbish.

 

[Negotiator101]

Guys Halo: Infinite was supposed to be the flagship Metacritic killer.

Who said that? And it scored very favourably to most PS games this generation, so what's your point?

 

[Duchess]

Compared to last generation they are leaps and bounds better.

I think we can all agree that's a pretty low bar to clear.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

Any person commenting that takes issue with this article is on denial and is part of the problem. Comments like "but they won publisher of the year last year" and blah blah. Like ..just STOP. If you own an Xbox like I do and are ok with MS's lack of exclusives as a whole (especially in light of '22) than you're a fanboy and not thinking clearly.

This isn't about Sony or any publisher except MS!

 

[Heisenberg007]

Who said that? And it scored very favourably to most PS games this generation, so what's your point?

And that tells us more about the legitimacy of critics' review scores and the state of gaming journalism than anything else.

 

[Negotiator101]

And that tells us more about the legitimacy of critics' review scores and the state of gaming journalism than anything else.

Are we going that route? Really? When critic's favour PS games regardless of quality. Are we once again going to have the highest rated game of the year lose GOTY to a PS exclusive?

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

So basically, keep waiting til 20XX...
Which means, you should expect more articles like these:

See you in 2038

I’ve seen these screenshots posted multiple times in the thread… I’m not sure why. The first one, he was right, 2017 did have more first party games than 2016. The other two, they have since rectified the problem by purchasing studios.

 

[DarkMage619]

I think we can all agree that's a pretty low bar to clear.

Well is the narrative Xbox isn't improving or it is? Make up your minds. Xbox Series is also outpacing the 360 and original Xbox as well in sales. First party games, the thing Xbox was never really known for, aren't coming out as fast as we'd like. Oh well. Better to delay and get better quality over rushing them out right?

And that tells us more about the legitimacy of critics' review scores and the state of gaming journalism than anything else.

Those same critics gave GoW good scores too. Be careful about who you want to discredit. Perhaps you can just accept both are good games and move on?