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[Forbes] PlayStation Is Still A Hit Machine While Xbox Hasn’t Even Started Catching Up

Oh it will deffo win some for sure. Lots of people with different tastes. It's all good.

But like others have said a 94 game is an amazing game, brilliant...a 96 is like breath of the wild ocarina of time levels of importance.

Elden ring will be a game spoken of for 20 years to come, that other games try to mimic. God of war will be an incredible game I imagine that many will say they adored it but I don't think it will have the same weight...I dunno. I don't really care I'm just glad there's two awesome games this year lol.

With the way metacritic works I don't believe there's a gigantic difference between a 97 and a 95. Which also was the difference between GoW 2018 and RDR2.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Seems like some will have a stroke if gow wins the goty at game awards 😆
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It's a 95 on Opencritic. And averages out to be a 95 on Meta now with the 2 consoles and PC. 96+96+94/3 = 95.

So at the moment, they're breathing on each other. 94 GoWR and 95 ER.

Yes there definitely isn't this gigantic rift between the two. When it comes to GOTY they will be butting heads. I don't expect Ragnarok to only take 1 award while ER takes the rest for example.
 

Greggy

Member
Fire Matt Booty. The buck has to stop with him.
MS had 15 studios before buying Bethesda. FIFTEEN.

It is unacceptable that Compulsion games , which was acquired the same year that GOW 2018 released, still has to show a trailer for anything while GOW 2022 is coming out.

The situation at the Initiative is completely ridiculous! Only a CGI trailer after 4.5 years. This is incompetence at the cost of the shareholders.
What is the latest about Everwild? How many years will it take for just the developer to know what game it wants to make?

Why is Obsidian bringing a completely useless filler thing called Pentiment? Who greenlit this? It’s like they would rather be seen announcing games than releasing them. Why are they not putting their focus on ONE game that they actually release? We have no news about Avowed that they announced almost 3 years ago and they showed a cgi trailer for another game that we might not even see this generation (TOTW2).

Don’t get me started about 343. They’re announcing raytracing in 2023 for a game that was supposed to release in 2020. They’re a complete disgrace.

I’ll take it easy on Ninja Theory because they have showcased the kind of gameplay sequence that shows that the product is in good hands. You don’t mind waiting as long as it takes for those.

What are the release dates for state of decay 3? Fable? Perfect Dark? None of those might come in 2023. Insomniac will be releasing their 3rd and 4th AAA titles of this generation by the time those games come out.

Xbox game studios is a mess man. I won’t speak about Bethesda because they produce massive games that take a generation to make and they were only recently purchased. The fact that the fate of this generation relies on ONE Bethesda game is really embarrassing for Xbox and the time has come to say it. They’re still far from competing with their rivals when it comes to first party and they’ve really done less with more in terms of resource management.
 
Fire Matt Booty. The buck has to stop with him.
MS had 15 studios before buying Bethesda. FIFTEEN.

It is unacceptable that Compulsion games , which was acquired the same year that GOW 2018 released, still has to show a trailer for anything while GOW 2022 is coming out.

The situation at the Initiative is completely ridiculous! Only a CGI trailer after 4.5 years. This is incompetence at the cost of the shareholders.
What is the latest about Everwild? How many years will it take for just the developer to know what game it wants to make?

Why is Obsidian bringing a completely useless filler thing called Pentiment? Who greenlit this? It’s like they would rather be seen announcing games than releasing them. Why are they not putting their focus on ONE game that they actually release? We have no news about Avowed that they announced almost 3 years ago and they showed a cgi trailer for another game that we might not even see this generation (TOTW2).

Don’t get me started about 343. They’re announcing raytracing in 2023 for a game that was supposed to release in 2020. They’re a complete disgrace.

I’ll take it easy on Ninja Theory because they have showcased the kind of gameplay sequence that shows that the product is in good hands. You don’t mind waiting as long as it takes for those.

What are the release dates for state of decay 3? Fable? Perfect Dark? None of those might come in 2023. Insomniac will be releasing their 3rd and 4th AAA titles of this generation by the time those games come out.

Xbox game studios is a mess man. I won’t speak about Bethesda because they produce massive games that take a generation to make and they were only recently purchased. The fact that the fate of this generation relies on ONE Bethesda game is really embarrassing for Xbox and the time has come to say it. They’re still far from competing with their rivals when it comes to first party and they’ve really done less with more in terms of resource management.
You actually make some good points, is Booty is fully to blame though? Obviously he's overseeing a lot of studios so I'd imagine his workload is full.

The Obsidian comment is silly though as they've been absolutely brilliant and Pentiment is a game I'm looking forward to.

343 on the other hand have been terrible post Halo Infinite, with absolutely awful content updates etc.

Fable is in safe hands I'd not worry about that. The Initiative are still creating and they're a small team, so give them time. SOD3 is apparently a full AAA so give them time. Forza next year, Redfall and Starfield, things are looking up for 2023. Let's not give Booty the boot just yet 😉
 

Kiraly

Member
People when every million dollar AAA production is the same taking years to develop with zero risk taking: Nooooo why is this so boring and derivative and soulless :mad:@@

People when Game Pass allows a small team within a studio to follow their passion and make an interesting and unique game because it doesn't have any financial expectations: Nooooooo why are you making this filler game :mad:@@
 
Yikes, that is bad. We're 2 years into this gen and nothing jumps out at customers to make them choose an Xbox over Playstation.

Microsoft has poor upper management when it comes to game development. Sony actually used to too. Microsoft emulated Sony in the mid-late 90s where they weren't really actively nurturing studios or IP, but relying on a handful of successful games.

Sony really changed gears in the early-mid 2000s with God of War and Uncharted. Meanwhile Microsoft alienated Bungie and Epic. How they didn't buy Epic is stunning to me. Tencent bought 40% of Epic for 330m in 2013... Gears of War came out in 2006, they were already doing big things with Unreal engine before Tencent came in.

Fast forward and Sony bought 3.2% of Epic for 1 billion dollars this year... just think about that... in 2013 Epic was worth 825 million dollars. Now 333 million dollars is only worth 1% of Epic, meaning Epic is worth ~31 billion dollars.

But back to my point, Microsoft hasn't invested in any of their franchises except for maybe Forza (I exclude Halo and Gears because they let their original developers drop the franchises). So they're forced to buy publishers with the hopes of maintaining the franchises that those studios own, but that's easier said than done too.

You have to have a long term vision and Microsoft hasn't had that, because unlike Sony, they're not all in on gaming.

This isn't new for Microsoft either, you have to look at the other companies they purchased like Ensemble, FASA and Lionhead
 
Microsoft has poor upper management when it comes to game development. Sony actually used to too. Microsoft emulated Sony in the mid-late 90s where they weren't really actively nurturing studios or IP, but relying on a handful of successful games.

Sony really changed gears in the early-mid 2000s with God of War and Uncharted. Meanwhile Microsoft alienated Bungie and Epic. How they didn't buy Epic is stunning to me. Tencent bought 40% of Epic for 330m in 2013... Gears of War came out in 2006, they were already doing big things with Unreal engine before Tencent came in.

Fast forward and Sony bought 3.2% of Epic for 1 billion dollars this year... just think about that... in 2013 Epic was worth 825 million dollars. Now 333 million dollars is only worth 1% of Epic, meaning Epic is worth ~31 billion dollars.

But back to my point, Microsoft hasn't invested in any of their franchises except for maybe Forza (I exclude Halo and Gears because they let their original developers drop the franchises). So they're forced to buy publishers with the hopes of maintaining the franchises that those studios own, but that's easier said than done too.

You have to have a long term vision and Microsoft hasn't had that, because unlike Sony, they're not all in on gaming.

This isn't new for Microsoft either, you have to look at the other companies they purchased like Ensemble, FASA and Lionhead
Some odd takes here. You claim MS didn't invest in franchises yet they set up studios to maintain both Gears and Halo. You can complain about the job they did but I'd hardly say they didn't invest in them.

Your other point about MS not being all in on gaming when they have invested almost 100 billion dollars on new studios and greatly expanded their GAMES service and cloud infrastructure to support games on more platforms than Sony has. It's fine to say you don't like any and all of the games they have made but not being all in on gaming seems to be pretty laughable at this point.

No long term vision also seem pretty far off the mark. MS had Ethernet and built-in internal hard drives before anyone else. They did more for online console play than anyone else. They came up with achievements that everyone else borrowed. Smart delivery was laughed at until everyone started complaining about how hard it was to upgrade games on PlayStation. Again you can not like their games but MS has been pretty forward thinking in a lot of areas. I am not willing to write them off before the end of 2023.
 

Handel

Member
Some odd takes here. You claim MS didn't invest in franchises yet they set up studios to maintain both Gears and Halo. You can complain about the job they did but I'd hardly say they didn't invest in them.

Your other point about MS not being all in on gaming when they have invested almost 100 billion dollars on new studios and greatly expanded their GAMES service and cloud infrastructure to support games on more platforms than Sony has. It's fine to say you don't like any and all of the games they have made but not being all in on gaming seems to be pretty laughable at this point.

No long term vision also seem pretty far off the mark. MS had Ethernet and built-in internal hard drives before anyone else. They did more for online console play than anyone else. They came up with achievements that everyone else borrowed. Smart delivery was laughed at until everyone started complaining about how hard it was to upgrade games on PlayStation. Again you can not like their games but MS has been pretty forward thinking in a lot of areas. I am not willing to write them off before the end of 2023.
Sometimes I think their brains have melted into a litany of jumbled criticism that they think sound coherent and logical, but are actually out of touch with reality.
 
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Some odd takes here. You claim MS didn't invest in franchises yet they set up studios to maintain both Gears and Halo. You can complain about the job they did but I'd hardly say they didn't invest in them.

Your other point about MS not being all in on gaming when they have invested almost 100 billion dollars on new studios and greatly expanded their GAMES service and cloud infrastructure to support games on more platforms than Sony has. It's fine to say you don't like any and all of the games they have made but not being all in on gaming seems to be pretty laughable at this point.

No long term vision also seem pretty far off the mark. MS had Ethernet and built-in internal hard drives before anyone else. They did more for online console play than anyone else. They came up with achievements that everyone else borrowed. Smart delivery was laughed at until everyone started complaining about how hard it was to upgrade games on PlayStation. Again you can not like their games but MS has been pretty forward thinking in a lot of areas. I am not willing to write them off before the end of 2023.

Setting up studios to keep their only major franchises going, but these were half measures. Keeping Bungie happy and buying Epic would have been real investments.

Microsoft is getting more invested in gaming, but they also realize that they've squandered 20 years. What they're doing now is trying to race forward 10 years by buying major publishers. That's not necessarily a strategy that yields short term benefits or even long term benefits, especially under poor management.

They've expanded their infrastructure, but where are the games? Again, they're entirely ahead of themselves, because they don't feel like the games are as important as the platforms, which has been their problem for the last 15+ years.

It's funny, you had to explicitly said built in. The reality is that Sony was there before them and created an expansion bay specifically for a hard drive and network adapter but didn't want to drive the price of their system. Subsequently, the PS2 is one of the best selling consoles of all time and the Xbox (OG) is not.

Smart delivery also doesn't matter, it's a gimmick, people don't even want cross gen games, they want next-gen games. I will give a lot of credit to Xbox Live, but it probably did console online gaming a disservice, it was better when online gaming was free on console with PS2. Microsoft absolutely did focus more on online gaming than Sony did initially, but that's kind of because they had to. Same with Nintendo and motion controls, even though the eyetoy came out before the Wii.
 

Tiamat2san

Member
I love some MS ips (Gears, forza, halo)
But i really don’t understand how they manage their portfolios.
How the fuck it is possible to have rare amongst your studio and no real Banjo, conker, kameo since ages?
How the fuck did they not made another killer instinct?
How was it possible to destroy halo like that?

Don’t get me wrong, i love xbox and i love gamepass but damn such a waste of talent.

Sony’s outpout is redondant (TPS, walking stuffs) but still most are good games and technical showcases.

I don’t pretend to know how to change that but something must be done and some managers should be gone and replaced by competent ones.

2023 looks promising though, i hope they’ll deliver.
 

SirTerry-T

Member
Fire Matt Booty. The buck has to stop with him.
MS had 15 studios before buying Bethesda. FIFTEEN.

It is unacceptable that Compulsion games , which was acquired the same year that GOW 2018 released, still has to show a trailer for anything while GOW 2022 is coming out.

The situation at the Initiative is completely ridiculous! Only a CGI trailer after 4.5 years. This is incompetence at the cost of the shareholders.
What is the latest about Everwild? How many years will it take for just the developer to know what game it wants to make?

Why is Obsidian bringing a completely useless filler thing called Pentiment? Who greenlit this? It’s like they would rather be seen announcing games than releasing them. Why are they not putting their focus on ONE game that they actually release? We have no news about Avowed that they announced almost 3 years ago and they showed a cgi trailer for another game that we might not even see this generation (TOTW2).

Don’t get me started about 343. They’re announcing raytracing in 2023 for a game that was supposed to release in 2020. They’re a complete disgrace.

I’ll take it easy on Ninja Theory because they have showcased the kind of gameplay sequence that shows that the product is in good hands. You don’t mind waiting as long as it takes for those.

What are the release dates for state of decay 3? Fable? Perfect Dark? None of those might come in 2023. Insomniac will be releasing their 3rd and 4th AAA titles of this generation by the time those games come out.

Xbox game studios is a mess man. I won’t speak about Bethesda because they produce massive games that take a generation to make and they were only recently purchased. The fact that the fate of this generation relies on ONE Bethesda game is really embarrassing for Xbox and the time has come to say it. They’re still far from competing with their rivals when it comes to first party and they’ve really done less with more in terms of resource management.
Pentiment looks fucking great.
 

Stooky

Member
People when every million dollar AAA production is the same taking years to develop with zero risk taking: Nooooo why is this so boring and derivative and soulless :mad:@@

People when Game Pass allows a small team within a studio to follow their passion and make an interesting and unique game because it doesn't have any financial expectations: Nooooooo why are you making this filler game :mad:@@
Nintendo and Sony have been building first party studios with yearly releases, and award winning games just fine for years. The only way Microsoft has a chance after failing at this for so many years is by buying publishers. People are just asking wtf is going at Microsoft.
 
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Havoc2049

Member
I love some MS ips (Gears, forza, halo)
But i really don’t understand how they manage their portfolios.
How the fuck it is possible to have rare amongst your studio and no real Banjo, conker, kameo since ages?
How the fuck did they not made another killer instinct?
How was it possible to destroy halo like that?

Don’t get me wrong, i love xbox and i love gamepass but damn such a waste of talent.

Sony’s outpout is redondant (TPS, walking stuffs) but still most are good games and technical showcases.

I don’t pretend to know how to change that but something must be done and some managers should be gone and replaced by competent ones.

2023 looks promising though, i hope they’ll deliver.
Sea of Thieves has been a big hit and has sold around 10 million copies. It's also a well maintained and constantly updated game, with some of the updates being as big as a new AAA release. On Steam, more people play Sea of Thieves than Halo MCC, Halo Infinite and Gears 5 combined. There is no way Rare is pivoting away from Sea of Thieves to reintroduce a 3rd person action/adventure character platformer in this day and age. Microsoft has tried numerous times to reintroduce 3rd person character platformers to the Xbox community and the success has been mild at best.
 

Chiggs

Member
Both of these console have been underwhelming in the exclusives department. I haven't turned either of them on since I got a gaming PC.

This tends to happen once you go PCMR. It's hard to give a shit about console pissing and moaning.

That said, the PS5 gets my vote in the "if you need a console, this is the one to get" category.
 
This tends to happen once you go PCMR. It's hard to give a shit about console pissing and moaning.

That said, the PS5 gets my vote in the "if you need a console, this is the one to get" category.
All the old problems with PC (building it, configuring games to work, making it work with your TV) have pretty much gone away at this point (easy as legos, most games work out of the box/steam, HDMI and/or steam big picture). The last reason holding a console gamer back use to be the big exclusives. And owning stuff on discs. But now? I go where the games go. PS5 and Xbox "exclusives" coming to PC, pretty much all of them. Discs are useless on every system. Plus all those smaller indie games whose devs couldn't afford to port, and mods, you'll never have on a console. Why do consoles still exist again?
 

Killer8

Member
People when every million dollar AAA production is the same taking years to develop with zero risk taking: Nooooo why is this so boring and derivative and soulless :mad:@@

People when Game Pass allows a small team within a studio to follow their passion and make an interesting and unique game because it doesn't have any financial expectations: Nooooooo why are you making this filler game :mad:@@

Gamers don't know what they want. Miyamoto was right about this decades ago:

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Setting up studios to keep their only major franchises going, but these were half measures. Keeping Bungie happy and buying Epic would have been real investments.
Well I think buying Playground, Obsidian, Inxile, Compulsion, Undead Labs, Ninja Theory, The Initiative, Zenimax, Rare, Mojang, and Activision are real investments. Surprised you missed so many studios. How well do you know Xbox?
Microsoft is getting more invested in gaming, but they also realize that they've squandered 20 years. What they're doing now is trying to race forward 10 years by buying major publishers. That's not necessarily a strategy that yields short term benefits or even long term benefits, especially under poor management.
This seems like something in your head. Xbox has undergone several different leadership changes with various different amounts of investment from the top of the company. If you think that all these studios acqusitions won't yield short OR long term benefits I am thinking you aren't basing that on any real world data. Xbox Series now are already more successful that previous entrants and that is with the major games still under development. Again do you know much about the Xbox brand?
They've expanded their infrastructure, but where are the games? Again, they're entirely ahead of themselves, because they don't feel like the games are as important as the platforms, which has been their problem for the last 15+ years.
It is an online narrative that 'xbox has no gmaes!' Xbox has never relied on first party like Nintendo and Sony and currently the platform has all the major 3rd party games minus a few Sony money hatted away. Game pass is flush with brand new day one titles and the service has some of the most diverse games around for an outstanding price. There is a reason their sub service had more subscribers until Sony changed the way they counted subs to make their numbers higher.
It's funny, you had to explicitly said built in. The reality is that Sony was there before them and created an expansion bay specifically for a hard drive and network adapter but didn't want to drive the price of their system. Subsequently, the PS2 is one of the best selling consoles of all time and the Xbox (OG) is not.
And Sony's hard drive and Ethernet weren't in every box so Xbox did that first whether you want to give them credit or not. The PS2 launched a year before the Xbox with no real competition. It also was the first consumer friendly affordable DVD player but sure it sold more so congrats to Sony for that. MS's first entry into console gaming had them outsell Nintendo's fourth or fifth console? Not bad beating an industry vet first time out.
Smart delivery also doesn't matter, it's a gimmick, people don't even want cross gen games, they want next-gen games. I will give a lot of credit to Xbox Live, but it probably did console online gaming a disservice, it was better when online gaming was free on console with PS2. Microsoft absolutely did focus more on online gaming than Sony did initially, but that's kind of because they had to. Same with Nintendo and motion controls, even though the eyetoy came out before the Wii.
Again it's like you don't know Xbox at all. Smart delivery is awesome especially in a cross generation period where Sony is charging for upgrades and MS gives them for no extra charge. PS2 online was no where near as good as Xbox live so I have no idea what you are even talking about on that point. At least online is still a major part of console gaming. Motion controls are mostly dead at this point.

It's clear you really really like Sony and that's cool. I like Sony too but it's pretty clear you really don't know much about the Xbox brand or what MS has done in gaming. If you actually did some research you'd find out MS has made several significant contributions to console gaming and video games in general.

I am really interested in seeing what Paul will say this time next year. I guess we'll all find out. I'm thinking Xbox will still be just fine.
 
Well I think buying Playground, Obsidian, Inxile, Compulsion, Undead Labs, Ninja Theory, The Initiative, Zenimax, Rare, Mojang, and Activision are real investments. Surprised you missed so many studios. How well do you know Xbox?

This seems like something in your head. Xbox has undergone several different leadership changes with various different amounts of investment from the top of the company. If you think that all these studios acqusitions won't yield short OR long term benefits I am thinking you aren't basing that on any real world data. Xbox Series now are already more successful that previous entrants and that is with the major games still under development. Again do you know much about the Xbox brand?

It is an online narrative that 'xbox has no gmaes!' Xbox has never relied on first party like Nintendo and Sony and currently the platform has all the major 3rd party games minus a few Sony money hatted away. Game pass is flush with brand new day one titles and the service has some of the most diverse games around for an outstanding price. There is a reason their sub service had more subscribers until Sony changed the way they counted subs to make their numbers higher.

And Sony's hard drive and Ethernet weren't in every box so Xbox did that first whether you want to give them credit or not. The PS2 launched a year before the Xbox with no real competition. It also was the first consumer friendly affordable DVD player but sure it sold more so congrats to Sony for that. MS's first entry into console gaming had them outsell Nintendo's fourth or fifth console? Not bad beating an industry vet first time out.

Again it's like you don't know Xbox at all. Smart delivery is awesome especially in a cross generation period where Sony is charging for upgrades and MS gives them for no extra charge. PS2 online was no where near as good as Xbox live so I have no idea what you are even talking about on that point. At least online is still a major part of console gaming. Motion controls are mostly dead at this point.

It's clear you really really like Sony and that's cool. I like Sony too but it's pretty clear you really don't know much about the Xbox brand or what MS has done in gaming. If you actually did some research you'd find out MS has made several significant contributions to console gaming and video games in general.

I am really interested in seeing what Paul will say this time next year. I guess we'll all find out. I'm thinking Xbox will still be just fine.

Buying studios itself does not constitute good management or a proper investment. The constant thread across upper management of Xbox has been shortsightedness regarding IP development. Sony generated more successful original IP during the PS4 generation than Microsoft has across all of their platforms...

You're clearly an xbox fanboy, which is fine, but why would it matter how sony counted their subscribers? They get a lot more revenue from their sub than Microsoft does with Game Pass, and significantly more profit.

Beating the gamecube is not an accomplishment, it was one of Nintendo's lowest selling consoles and had more to do with Nintendo than Microsoft.

Microsoft has been spinning its wheels for 20 years in terms of developing games and your argument is their focus is 3rd party games that are also on PS and PC...It's laughable.
 

Topher

Gold Member
I mean, all it has to literally do is release a single AAA 1st party title and it'll objectively be a better year, no?

Better than this year, yes. adamsapple adamsapple is predicting a better year than in a "long while". I think that is certainly possible with the games being worked on. The question is which of those games are actually going to make it into next year. Same question for Sony, but granted, Sony didn't miss an entire year with a major release so not as much pressure.

Microsoft really *needs* to knock 2023 out of the park.
 

SteadyEvo

Member
Facts. I feel like MS lives on potential. Next year. Next E3. The games are always on the way. This coming from a guy that’s spent most of my time this gen on Xbox.

In terms of exclusives it’s Sony/Nintendo interchangeable at 1st. MS a distant 3rd.

I see Xbox as a 3rd party/Gamepass console. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
 

Sanepar

Member
Sea of Thieves has been a big hit and has sold around 10 million copies. It's also a well maintained and constantly updated game, with some of the updates being as big as a new AAA release. On Steam, more people play Sea of Thieves than Halo MCC, Halo Infinite and Gears 5 combined. There is no way Rare is pivoting away from Sea of Thieves to reintroduce a 3rd person action/adventure character platformer in this day and age. Microsoft has tried numerous times to reintroduce 3rd person character platformers to the Xbox community and the success has been mild at best.
Sea of thieves can sell 50 million copies. For me this game is nothing more than a shallow tech demo. What a waste of potentital. No one who cares big aaa single player experiences will be satisfied with sea of thieves. And if MS wants to expand their audience. They need to offer great sp experiences. With great story, gameplay and graphics.
 

Hobbygaming

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It's parent company is. With PC.

They have mentioned multiple times they are not interested in selling most amount of consoles. Which is fine.
It's obvious that they do wanna sell a lot of consoles though, if they didn't then the cheaper console Xbox Series S wouldn't exist

MS just act like they don't care about console sales because of the competition being so dominant in the console space
 
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Elginer

Member
I own both systems and a Series S for my room and I at this point only use my ps5 for its awesome exclusives but they’ve shown down too and gotten lazy with remakes no one has asked for. I’m more excited for Microsoft’s lineup next year excluding Final Fantasy and Spider-Man hopefully. But this notion the PlayStation is this barn burner hit machine isn’t that accurate. I feel the PS3 and 4 had more big software
 
I love some MS ips (Gears, forza, halo)
But i really don’t understand how they manage their portfolios.
How the fuck it is possible to have rare amongst your studio and no real Banjo, conker, kameo since ages?
How the fuck did they not made another killer instinct?
How was it possible to destroy halo like that?

Don’t get me wrong, i love xbox and i love gamepass but damn such a waste of talent.

Sony’s outpout is redondant (TPS, walking stuffs) but still most are good games and technical showcases.

I don’t pretend to know how to change that but something must be done and some managers should be gone and replaced by competent ones.

2023 looks promising though, i hope they’ll deliver.

Sony lets studios take risks.

Sony let Insomniac make Resistance instead of just another Ratchet and Clank game (even if they were 2nd party). They then hooked them up with Marvel to make Spider-Man and now Wolverine. Resistance 1 sold at least 2.5 million copies. They could have doubled down on the franchise even as the sequels sold less copies. Maybe in one universe, it would have been wise to have done so.

Guerrilla went from Killzone to Horizon. Another game completely out of their wheelhouse. Sucker Punch went from Infamous to Ghost of Tsushima... entirely out of their wheelhouse. Naughty Dog went from Jak to Uncharted and from Uncharted to The Last of Us... Literally the opposite of what Microsoft did with Bungie. If Microsoft ran Naughty Dog, they might still be focused on just Jak and Daxter games...

Sony could have spent a ton of money getting the rights to Crash and Spyro back for Naughty Dog and Insomniac, but that would have stifled their growth.

Santa Monica has focused entirely on God of War, but they took a risk in entirely rebooting the franchise. Especially risky after their non God of War game was canceled and the failure of Ascension. They're also now finally working on an original IP.

Media Molecule could have kept making LittleBigPlanet games, but instead made Dreams, which I think on PC could be a huge GaaS game.

Microsoft really doesn't take risks at all. They haven't really evolved since they came into the market from a game design perspective. Their studios just create sequel after sequel for what they THINK caters to their audience, and their talent eventually leaves.

Because they don't take risks, their studios don't mature and their games just become stale. Sony's mature studios act as metal sharpening metal. There is none of that with Microsoft. They seem to entirely lack a cohesive culture, which comes from just buying random studios rather than studios with relationships already. Insomniac was VERY close to Sony and Naughty Dog before Sony bought them.

If Sony were to buy FromSoftware, they already have a deep relationship with the company. They've worked with them on Demon's Souls and Bloodborne. Kojima wants to stay independent, but Sony has worked with his studio as well.
 
I own both systems and a Series S for my room and I at this point only use my ps5 for its awesome exclusives but they’ve shown down too and gotten lazy with remakes no one has asked for. I’m more excited for Microsoft’s lineup next year excluding Final Fantasy and Spider-Man hopefully. But this notion the PlayStation is this barn burner hit machine isn’t that accurate. I feel the PS3 and 4 had more big software
lol sony hasn't even announced their 2023 slate of games yet... The only ones we're aware of you named...

Please name the big software on ps3 and ps4 that came out year 1 and 2.
 
Halo been in decline since 3, Gears still ok not as good as first one, Fable died after 3 Forza's a bit boring compared to Gran Turismo, it's only Forza Horizon that is of any high quality, Xbox been bad since kinect, used to love my 360 Halo 3 cod 1 Vs 100 sent u a message felt like a real community then they went and ruined the dashboard bastards.
 
You know what’s most shocking about Xbox so far? They have more than tripled their studio count from 2017 and yet… nothing. It feels the exact same as the Xbox One era when they only had 5 studios.

Not only that, what they output feels stale and corporate. The only genuinely good thing they’ve done since that era is Forza Horizon and even I can see they are starting to wear that pretty thin by continual iterations of the same thing over and over.

They have the hardware, the money and the teams to do really amazing things but the management just seems inept and intent on destroying the brand. Soulless corporate suits trying to be “hip” for the kids. “Look at my cool T-shirt dudes, I’m totally like one of you now!”

And the crowd cheers, hurrah Xbox has changed now buy buy buy!

Yet, very little to no quality games. I can already see it, Starfield is going to be a letdown.
 

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The challenge for Microsoft is that Sony/Nintendo aren't just the best first party publishers, right now they are the best / most successful publishers in the industry full stop (taking into account both quality and quantity).
 
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64bitmodels

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It is an online narrative that 'xbox has no gmaes!' Xbox has never relied on first party like Nintendo and Sony
again how the fuck did they manage to get people to buy an Xbox and an Xbox 360??

You do realize that without games like Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable etc Xbox would really be in a ditch right now? Hell the only reason they're even considered one of the 3 main tentpoles up against Nintendo and Sony is because of how influential those 4 games were and how much people fucking loved them, how they drove sales to Xbox as opposed to other consoles like PS. IT IS THE EXCLUSIVES. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

The idea that this is what the narrative is now when over 16 years ago people were making fun of Playstation for having no games fucking baffles me
 
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64bitmodels

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I see Xbox as a 3rd party/Gamepass console. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
There is something wrong with that. Personally i feel like the legacy of a console is very important. People wouldn't remember gems like the Super Nintendo, Sega Dreamcast, and Playstation 1 if they all didn't have games. There's a reason these consoles are still relevant among hardcore gaming circles and even gaming circles in general

If gamepass shuts down and MS cans the Xbox as a brand will anyone want it back? What will anyone remember Xbox for? Look at how many people clamor for Sega's reentry into the console market.... Would MS have the same hype behind them when the Xbox as a brand is devoid of any games or content that sticks with people as of right now?
 
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