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The Dualsense is a more elegant controller than the xbox core controller.

Ev1L AuRoN

Member
I prefer the Dualsense myself, but the controller have some issues regarding quality, even though my controller is still fine, I have friends that are on their third controller which is unacceptable. The Xbox controller is very good and sturdier than Sony's but I always have the same problem, analog drift, 3 controllers developed the problem on the one-year mark.
 

Roxkis_ii

Member
8BitDo. And it comes with a double AA-shaped battery pack.

Oh wow. A little extra for battery pack. Or buy some Eneloops that will last for years.

You're deliberately being obnoxious about this and avoiding addressing the benefits of rechargeable AAs.

So, have another argument for them (that you won't answer): rechargeable AAs are betternfor the environment as well.
My beef is the fact that you have to buy rechargeable batteries at all. It's archaic.

You have to spend extra money just to get equivalent feature of it competition that comes built in. Regardless of how you want to spin it, that an L for the Xbox controller.
 

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
A controller isn't a steering wheel. A controller is not symmetrical by design, and your hand placement on a controller are the same regardless of stick location.

The character is our car. We are literally driving the protagonist in these games in either 1st person or 3rd person (most often).

Our thumbs should not be asymmetrical as our bodies are not asymmetrical.

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We take refuge in the fact that we know with certainty Leonardo DaVinci would have preferred PlayStation controllers. What brilliant historical figures would prefer the XBox pad? The Hunchback of Notre Dame and...?

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BlackTron

Member
If you happen to have a cable that reaches to where you are sitting and are happy with cables across the room then point conceded. Its seriously less issue to grab 2 batteries off a charger and be back to wireless in under a minute. The battery life is longer too compared to the play and charge kits both in terms of mah and lifespan of the batteries. Internal batteries suck.

I've finally accepted that user replaceable AA's are only superior for people with foresight. If your battery goes dead, and you failed to recharge batteries, you either have a fully dead controller or are burning money on backup batteries.

But internal batteries mean you always get an instant solution just by plugging it in. When you consider that there are console gamers arguing that two graphics presets are too many options, well let that sink in.
 

Tams

Gold Member
It's archaic

You haven't backed this up at all.

You can buy Panasonic Eneloops or the like, that are the same damn chemistry as the custom-shaped ones. If there's room for a standardised battery, they are a better choice; not archaic.

Now, should Microsoft either include a couple of Eneloops or reduce the price of their controllers in line with the cost of a battery? Yes, but that does not make standardised batteries 'archaic'.

Seriously, stop sucking big corporation propaganda and dick.
 

Kvally

Banned
It is simply a matter of preference. There is no right answer here. As I've said above, I have been using Xbox controller and haven't picked up a DualSense in weeks. I started playing God of War R and the DualSense feels completely natural. Never do I consciously think about stick placement when playing games.
Same for me. But I still get the buttons messed up. Playing God of War R right now and when it calls for "X", I keep pressing "SQUARE".
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
Playstation bros need to stop being weird about this.
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It's a preference and doesn't matter to me regardless as I go back and forth all the time issue free.

What I will say is even though I prefer the "feel" of the XBSX controller... I aim better with the DS.
 

GHG

Gold Member
So, have another argument for them (that you won't answer): rechargeable AAs are betternfor the environment as well.

This argument flat on its face when you consider the fact that every single standard xbox controller comes with a set of disposable duracell batteries.
 

Azelover

Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
I prefer the Xbox layout. But the DualSense is pretty damn sexy, I'm not gonna lie.
 

GHG

Gold Member
Better 2 AA batteries than a paperweight full fat controller that won’t hold a charge anymore smh.

And how long down the line does that happen? If you're going to argue that providing disposable batteries with every controller sold is better for the environment than a built in rechargeable battery (which means the user will never use disposable batteries with that device) then you are wrong which is why the EU are looking to phase them out by law in the next few years.
 

Kvally

Banned
And how long down the line does that happen? If you're going to argue that providing disposable batteries with every controller sold is better for the environment than a built in rechargeable battery (which means the user will never use disposable batteries with that device) then you are wrong which is why the EU are looking to phase them out by law in the next few years.
EU has too much government control.
 

Tams

Gold Member
This argument flat on its face when you consider the fact that every single standard xbox controller comes with a set of disposable duracell batteries.
Oh, so you took into consideration making a custom battery compared to a standardised one then?

What, no? You didn't even think that deeply about it?
 

GHG

Gold Member
Oh, so you took into consideration making a custom battery compared to a standardised one then?

What, no? You didn't even think that deeply about it?

Sorry, wasn't it you that brought up "muh environment"? Didn't think that one through did you?
 

Tams

Gold Member
Sorry, wasn't it you that brought up "muh environment"? Didn't think that one through did you?
It was just an aside. One that you have failed to refute.

Along with the main point that rechargeable AAs are perfectly valid choices for batteries.

You've not proven any of your points.
 

GHG

Gold Member
It was just an aside. One that you have failed to refute.

Along with the main point that rechargeable AAs are perfectly valid choices for batteries.

You've not proven any of your points.

Rechargeable yes, disposable no. But if you want to state that any of this is due to care for the environment then you are horribly mistaken. That all went out the window the moment they decided to pack in disposables with every controller and console.

At least with the new rulings it will force them to provide a rechargeable solution in the box with every controller. I look forward to everyone saying it's a bad thing when it happens, not.
 
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TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
For me the perfect controller would be the Xbox one, with it's external batteries and better/bigger design, but without the asymetrical sticks and a better d-pad.
 

MikeM

Member
So less....

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And more this....

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Thanks for the fap material my man.
Playstation bros need to stop being weird about this.
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What is this proving exactly?
That's not how that works. Like, at all.

Having symmetrical sticks has absolutely zero benefit for shooters.
I have yet to see a case study or science backing up these claims. Just NEOGAF trust me bro takes.
 
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Topher

Gold Member
It was just an aside. One that you have failed to refute.

Along with the main point that rechargeable AAs are perfectly valid choices for batteries.

You've not proven any of your points.

GHG GHG did refute it though. Every Xbox controller has a pair of batteries that will die and will have to be thrown away. That is not environmentally friendly. Not sure what other point he needs to make.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Rechargeable yes, disposable no. But if you want to state that any of this is due to care for the environment then you are horribly mistaken. That all went out the window the moment they decided to pack in disposables with every controller and console.

At least with the new rulings it will force them to provide a rechargeable solution in the box with every controller. I look forward to everyone saying it's a bad thing when it happens, not.
Its the first thing I do with my Xbox controllers is buy a charging stand with 2 battery packs

Funny the Elite controller is good enough to come with a rechargeable battery though
 

GHG

Gold Member
Its the first thing I do with my Xbox controllers is buy a charging stand with 2 battery packs

Funny the Elite controller is good enough to come with a rechargeable battery though

My view is that for the price you should be getting a rechargeable solution included. Hopefully the Elite is an indication of where the future of xbox controllers are going. I purchased 2 play and charge kits when I got my xbox one last gen, wouldn't have had it any other way.

I don't see how just having to plug something in for a while isn't the best solution these days instead of having to fiddle with battery compartments.
 

Topher

Gold Member
My view is that for the price you should be getting a rechargeable solution included. Hopefully the Elite is an indication of where the future of xbox controllers are going. I purchased 2 play and charge kits when I got my xbox one last gen, wouldn't have had it any other way.

I don't see how just having to plug something in for a while isn't the best solution these days instead of having to fiddle with battery compartments.

Just got my 8bitdo Ultimate controller and it came with built-in battery and charging stand as well. It is a kickass controller for the money and I agree with you this should be the norm regardless of whether it is built-in battery or AA rechargeable.
 
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Tams

Gold Member
GHG GHG did refute it though. Every Xbox controller has a pair of batteries that will die and will have to be thrown away. That is not environmentally friendly. Not sure what other point he needs to make.
That that outweighs the cost of tooling and making custom batteries for the controller.

It was an an aside anyway. Yet you two have dragged it out because your main arguments against AAs don't hold water.

And anyway, I very clearly stated that Microsoft should switch to Eneloops or lower the price and include no batteries. GHG GHG was trying to say all AAs are useless.
 
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Rykan

Member
What is this proving exactly?
That the left stick is in the natural position where your thumb rests, which makes sense because it's going to be always there in most place.
I have yet to see a case study or science backing up these claims. Just NEOGAF trust me bro takes.
There's not a whole lot of studies available because it's just not a very interesting topic to research and most of it is probably done inhouse. There's this study that shows the Xbox 360 controller users performed much better than PS3 users, but it's in a racing game and a very, very small sample size so take it with a huge grain of salt.

Don't take my word for it though: Sony themselves admitted that FPS players prefer the Xbox 360 layout.
“For the analogue sticks, we did test having [them] on top, since the Xbox has the left side on top [above the d-pad],”. “Especially from the shooter teams – we got feedback that that's what they wanted. They knew that consumers liked the 360 for shooters.”
And Sony also acknowledged its only there because it looks iconic
"The prototype team, myself, and also the management team really felt that having this look is the PlayStation look, and we had to keep that,”
All you need to know is that nearly every single controller released with a console in the last 22 years or so have placed the left analog stick on the top side. Except for Playstation.
 
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Topher

Gold Member
That that outweighs the cost of tooling and making custom batteries for the controller.

Nah, there are already hundreds of varieties of lithium batteries being made for hundreds of varieties of smart phones and a host of other devices. It isn't like they are going to throw up another factory just to make batteries for DualSense. We are talking about the same lithium core but in a different plastic casing. That's why replacement parts for these are so easy to find:

DualSense:

Nintendo Pro controller:
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Nah, there are already hundreds of varieties of lithium batteries being made for hundreds of varieties of smart phones and a host of other devices. It isn't like they are going to throw up another factory just to make batteries for DualSense. We are talking about the same lithium core but in a different plastic casing. That's why replacement parts for these are so easy to find:

DualSense:

Nintendo Pro controller:
Sony should have put a battery door on their controllers and pulled an Xbox SSD expansion proprietary bullshit and cashed in on batteries
 

Topher

Gold Member
Sony should have put a battery door on their controllers and pulled an Xbox SSD expansion proprietary bullshit and cashed in on batteries

lol....SteelSeries already does something like that for some of their headsets.

 

Topher

Gold Member
Just saw your edited post.

It was an an aside anyway. Yet you two have dragged it out because your main arguments against AAs don't hold water.

And anyway, I very clearly stated that Microsoft should switch to Eneloops or lower the price and include no batteries. GHG GHG was trying to say all AAs are useless.

No he didn't. You said AA batteries were "perfectly valid" and he said:

Rechargeable yes, disposable no. But if you want to state that any of this is due to care for the environment then you are horribly mistaken. That all went out the window the moment they decided to pack in disposables with every controller and console.

At least with the new rulings it will force them to provide a rechargeable solution in the box with every controller. I look forward to everyone saying it's a bad thing when it happens, not.

And I've been advocating rechargeable AAs as well. I made that point yesterday to you:

it is too bad Xbox doesn't come with rechargeable AAs. That would be ideal considering the cost of the controller. At the same time, it would also be ideal if the built-in DualSense battery lasted longer than it did. So neither is really optimal in the battery category, imo.

If you don't want to talk about that aspect of batteries because it was "just an aside" then stop talking about it. Either way, you are misrepresenting what has been said here.
 

Larxia

Member
The character is our car. We are literally driving the protagonist in these games in either 1st person or 3rd person (most often).

Our thumbs should not be asymmetrical as our bodies are not asymmetrical.

Da_Vinci_Vitruve_Luc_Viatour.jpg


We take refuge in the fact that we know with certainty Leonardo DaVinci would have preferred PlayStation controllers. What brilliant historical figures would prefer the XBox pad? The Hunchback of Notre Dame and...?

db519770-fa1c-4145-aca7-1923d2521f5b_text.gif
I'll never understand these arguments, about our hands being symmetrical therefore the sticks have to be. That's the opposite, when you hold a controller in a natural position, you will have your thumbs on the upper part of the controller, and what do you need the most when playing a game? The left stick and the 4 face buttons. Your hands are therefore indeed positionned symmetrically on a xbox controller.
 

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
I'll never understand these arguments, about our hands being symmetrical therefore the sticks have to be. That's the opposite, when you hold a controller in a natural position, you will have your thumbs on the upper part of the controller, and what do you need the most when playing a game? The left stick and the 4 face buttons. Your hands are therefore indeed positionned symmetrically on a xbox controller.

You are correct...if I'm having a stroke and it's 1998.

But if it's 2022, and everyone plays 1st and 3rd person shooters all the time...your thumbs are on both sticks, not the face buttons.
 

Solidus_T

Member
I like it more than the Series controller, but I think the Series controller is just as good and it comes down to preference.
The Dualshock 4 is better than both in my opinion.
 
A controller isn't a steering wheel. A controller is not symmetrical by design, and your hand placement on a controller are the same regardless of stick location.
I just picked up my Dualsense and my thumbs naturally fell right onto the sticks. If you hold your hand out in a relaxed way your thumb isn't right next to your index finger, you naturally hold it a little bit apart. Moving it closer to your index finger (Xbox stick placement) takes more effort.
 

Dr. Suchong

Member
Build quality of the series X/S controller feels superior to the Dualsense.
I have a horrible feeling I'll be replacing my Dualsense as often as I did my Ds4.
 

Larxia

Member
You are correct...if I'm having a stroke and it's 1998.

But if it's 2022, and everyone plays 1st and 3rd person shooters all the time...your thumbs are on both sticks, not the face buttons.
I guess maybe for shooters. I barely play any shooters, if I do I'm on mouse and keyboard.
 
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